Drone Crashed Into the Water - Flight Log Reveals Why!
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2021
- By interpreting the flight log of my Air 2S crashing into the lake, I was able to determine the root of the cause of this incident. It's a reason that I think more people should be aware of.
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This discussion area is a revealing intelligence test. If you are willing to share bad information about yourself for the betterment of others, complete strangers, humiliate yourself by explaining that you made a mistake (Just like, by the way, all the rest of us do.) Not only reveals at what level they are. It also shows your level. Thank you for your honesty. For me, it is rewarded with deep respect.
Never underestimate the value of ignoring somebody.
Carry on...🙂
My estimate is that the last two videos you made has saved 37 future mini 2's 🤔🙂 Ty
Hate, no...that is the same hubris that caused this crash. Thoughtful reflection on continuing the hobby? I think I personally would have reevaluated my ability to fly safely.
The Lost Art of being able to admit YOU WERE WRONG! Great lesson.
Todd, I could not have said it any better. Thank you. As a ASEL, I appreciate this as if my life depends on it, which from time to time, it does. But your reflection shows our spirits caring for each other in a challenging world. Peace brother.
I think a lot of the time some people are just a bit narcissistic and can't even admit to themselves they did anything wrong, let alone admit it to anyone else.
actually he does it for youtube money so don't get too carried away
A humbling learning moment. Sometimes you think you know everything then you get a harsh reminder that you don’t. Thank you for sharing your experience. Learned a lot from it.
My comments are only about iPhones. Mine “died” during two different flights. The first time my iPhone battery ran out and the phone turned off mid-flight. It was my third flight ever and I immediately thought my Mavic Air 2 was gone forever. But RTH saved me. So I changed the Fly App setting to Yes - charge my iPhone. A later flight my iPhone overheated from being heavily used plus charging and actually locked. RTH saved my MA2 again.
Now my pre-flight includes:
1. iPhone 80% charged or more
2. Remove iPhone protective case (so it might dissipate heat better)
3. Set Fly App to charge iPhone
It is times like this when we all learn. Thank you for sharing and being man enough to show what happened. I think we have all had instances like this where we do something and it goes wrong and knowing how to go back and look at the logs helps us learn from it. Thank you for the great video.
I appreciate your honesty and openness. I've crashed and wrecked a mavic 2 Pro. It is very humbling.
Thanks for sharing what happened Russ! You’re humble enough to admit your mistakes, that’s a great quality to have. 😎
Thanks Mr. Russ you’re being honest and humble about your crash. That’s why I always watch your channel.
Great post-accident analysis and honesty! Definitely an important lesson for everyone
It's a very humbling experience to admit what happened brother. I am glad you figured it out to the degree you could. Sorry you lost the drone. Its heartbreaking.
Thanks!
Russ.....so sorry about your Air2S. Not many pilots that I know will admit to pilot error, but for you to share your experience shows the honestly and humbleness that I have enjoyed in your videos. Keep up the good work. And I love the alligator mug.
This new explanation makes perfect sense, Russ. Because there is no click or significant resistance on the left stick when you add a vertical component, I find it is easy to accidentally be drifting either up or down when I intended to simply turn slowly. I fly over water very often, but always leave myself at least 30 feet of altitude just in case I make some mistake like this. 17 feet of altitude can disappear very quickly. I feel your loss. 😢
Mark... I couldn't agree more , i am in Instructor in Australia, live on the coast and fly over water every morning, The Air2s is super sensitive on the Yaw/altitude stick i regularity find myself slightly dropping altitude when i yaw ...just a fault with my stick technique that I am acutely aware of and i find many of my students do the same... Great video Russ, honest and raw LOVe these keep it up mate !
The DJI fly app has a set max altitude option. Would it be really hard for them to add a set minimum altitude option? Let's say the Drone would ask you if you want to land if you reach the minimum altitude.
I fly my Mavic 2 Zoom over water quite a bit to make some windsurfing vids, the same has happened to me with the smart controller, turning with the left stick and didn't notice I was pushing slightly down and was descending, luckily I had line of sight, saw and corrected just metres from the water. Also I never rely on the reported altitude as I find it very inaccurate and I am often flying much lower tham displayed on the screen. Thanks for sharing Russ 👍
@@uhaggar I believe the inaccuracy stems from barometric pressure changes. The initial height is based off a barometer reading at the start of the flight. That can change over time and over distance. Below a certain altitude there is a sensor that is also used for altitude, which is why you see 2 values for altitude listed in the logs. Over water, this more accurate sensor can get fooled as we saw here.
It has happened to me also where I find I'm slowly gaining or dropping altitude while applying some yaw. With feedback you can immediately correct.
I agree - 17 feet doesn't leave any room for error, especially over water. I fly much higher 30feet+ and use 2x or 3x magnification for the video shots, so it still looks close up.
great Job Russ!! That’s why your my favorite source of drone info
Thanks for the honest and detailed self-critique. I've learned a lot and will make adjustments when "invulnerability" creeps in. You're a valued resource to all! Thanks again.
I really appreciate sharing this type of information Russ. To be able to show what you did tells me that you care about others in order to prevent the same thing from happening to someone else. Big props for that!! Other drone pilots that run social media channels should do the same really. Attitude can have a huge affect on how we fly for sure although like you say, no one really talks about it. Nobody is perfect, mistakes will be made. Presenting them helps to educate folks and you've made a valiant attempt to do just that through your very own loss. Much respect for that. Keep up the awesome work Russ!!
What a bummer. Sorry for your loss.
Thanks to your efforts and video, we can all try to avoid the same mistake.
I admit I almost did the same exact thing over a lake but lucky brought it up in the last second. (My heart dropped just as much as my drone).
We can only learn from mistakes and hopefully not our own. Thanks for sharing this!
First of all, I am Very sorry for your loss! This video speaks volumes. Your ability to admit fault and willingness to educate others at your own expense, Highly commendable. Bravo, and thank you, Russ!! And again, condolences to a truly awesome drone.
Great video Russ. I appreciate your honesty. You have some of the best drone content on RUclips.
I live in a river town, and flying over water can be so beautiful. Another thing I like about flying over the river is there's usually fewer people/vehicles to avoid flying over. Thanks for sharing this!
Owning our own errors is a powerful place to be. Thank you for being vulnerable. Secondly, THANK YOU for the log file reading information. I haven't seen anyone else cover that. Thank you.
Russ, thanks for being humble and for sharing. Thanks for the flight log info….gonna definitely check that out. Definitely downloading the checklist too. Thanks!
Thank you for being so honest. The two situations in which I crashed my drone were only my fault. Keep on flying. And I'm looking forward to your next videos. Thank you for your work 👍🏻
Many thanks! And sorry for your loss 😄 I learnt something that I never realised I needed to learn. Gary from the UK.
Russ,
Thanks so much for all I’ve learned about drones from you. As someone who’s got (almost) a whole career of MANNED piloting under his belt, I can tell you that doing this after-action analysis is SO important. That’s why I’m so glad you’ve become a proponent of flight-log analysis. (I use Airdata.com, but still, either way, it’s critical.) The cool thing, is that despite what happened to your drone, you’re here to tell the tale of what happened. Most of my career, we needed accident investigators to tell us what happened. There’s a major gut-punch feeling when you catch yourself, perhaps with a fellow pilot, just beginning to go down that mishap path even when you get don’t get to the point of tragic results. But ultimately, a good pilot will share personal experience with others about past mistakes and how to do better. Thanks for that.
I will just add that humans don’t do a good job of self-measuring stick input forces, it’s not in our nature. We also don’t multi-task as well as we think we do. With all that said, I’ve come to embrace all the automation built into these cinematic drones and try to walk that fine line between when to use it and when not to.
Great video Russ!! Thank you for sharing your crash experience with us! You’re such a class act sir!!!
Keep up the great work sir!! Thanks again!! 🙏🏼
Russ…. Truly appreciate the frank and open honesty. Quite refreshing!! Thanks for share all the details and perspectives. This was a very valuable post. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I wasn’t even aware that those logs existed, thanks for bring it to our intention. Thanks for sharing your experience. Thank for sharing your preflight checklist
Thank you for your honest insights. This is why I trust you and your channel. Nobody learns anything, if everything always goes perfect. Your the best! Keep up the great reports!!!!
I'm glad you made a follow-up video to show access to logs. I learned a lot! Off topic: When will DJI publish a flight simulator for Air 2s and Mini 2 ???
Thanks for the courage to share your experience Russ. All the way from Sydney Australia. I too have found when flying over water (following surfers at 12 ft alt in the ocean or skiers on rivers) that for some reason my MP2 involuntarily loses altitude. I fly with the sensors off but for some reason a right stick only flight will see my altitude drop and measure erratically. I now impose upon myself a 20ft minimum alt rule when over water as I don’t wish to be involuntarily shelling out for the new MP3 as I heard you say in your first video. Love the channel and again, sorry for your loss and thank you having the courage to share your unfortunate experience.
For what it’s worth, I compass-calibrate before EVERY flight from a different location. I may be a little OCD but I’m yet to have any GPS issues. My checklist basically mirrors yours and thank you also for summarizing it.
Great video, the explanation makes total sense and it’s great to see you being so upfront on important aspect of being a uas pilot! 👌🏽
Hey Russ, I've watched both video's now. You know I'm also 107 and I do fly commercially as well. My M2Pro is the "go to" bird and the sensors have saved me a couple of times due to this same stick error. I have actually caught my self inputting (down) when doing a yaw / orbit maneuver and not realize it until the sensors stop the drone from hitting trees. I pinch my sticks on the smart controller (on every controller) and still have given down input and noticed the telemetry data on the screen or visually see the drone decreasing altitude. I do think it's much harder to make this error when pinching the sticks over just thumbs but it can STILL happen. Like you, I had no idea I was doing it. Knowing that, I can totally understand how this crash could happen. Don't beat your self up much on the "Invulnerability" aspect. Now that you've shared the flight data I think it was a small contribution if any to be honest with you. Hate to see that you lost an aircraft but it's really awesome of you to put out the video series on the topic. Thank You....
Very good to see such an honest admission. Like with any air-crash investigation, the goal isn't to point fingers at who is guilty, the goal is to learn and avoid repeating.
I was flying about 3 weeks ago, trying to get a picture of my friend who was flying his own new drone at a party. Once the other pilot saw my drone, I moved slightly to get a shot of him and his drone. His drone immediately went into the water and guess what... everyone at the party said "your drone took over his drone and crashed it." The pilot said this too. Well, I knew better, but it was impossible to explain this to a crowd of people. You won't suddenly get someone else's phone calls if you're standing near him and you won't be taking over someone else's drone if you are in the same air space. Anyway, the other pilot is a new pilot and he was quite sure that I caused his drone to crash. I did go swimming after it, but the water was very muddy and impossible to find. Anyway, I haven't heard from him since.
Wow, what a story !
I have experienced control conflict when two controllers are in close proximity. They probably do not actually take control, the controller is paired to its aircraft BUT the presence of a strong nearby signal on the same frequency as the more distant drone breaks the control channel and the drone should engage automatic Return to Home. That's what happened to me; I still had video feed but the control sticks disengaged. Once the drone was almost landed I regained control.
Extremely helpful. What i got from this is you must always be aware of what you’re doing as much as possible. I’ve had moments where i have seen my drone slightly go lower than I want and its has been my fault for resting my thumb on the sticks. As a beginner, I appreciate this video and will make sure to be viglant once i decided to fly over a lake nearby.
Thanks Russ for your honesty, I really respect your honesty.
Most folk watching you will still be trying to attain perfection (😉) so thanks for another great vid.
Great learning curve and thanks for sharing! Glad you stick with flying over water and just settle on learning. Stuff happens and especially those mavics can be quite tricky in times!
I know I'm late to this meeting, but I wanted to thank you for these wonderful, honest videos. I'm waiting for delivery of my first drone (a Mini 3) and flying over our famous and beautiful river (the Rogue) is most definitely in the plan. Sharing your experiences is so helpful. The flight log info was a big bonus.
Great Video, and Review! Thank you for sharing with us about what happened to your Air 2S.
I’m so grateful I found your channel. Your more than likely saved many many people some money.
Geeze! I don’t want to lose my Air 2S like this. Heartbreaking! I’m definitely learning from your experience. Sorry you lost your drone.
A great lesson learned. A few years ago I flew my spark at the Oregon coast first time over the surf and lost contact as it returned. I lost visual in the bright sky and flew it over a cliff and due to a low battery it "landed" somewhere 90 feet above me. Never found but replaced it a few months later.
We learn from our errors. Thank you for sharing this Russ. Great content on your channel!
Thanks for sharing this. So glad you did, very helpful information!
Fantastic Information Russ. We all Appreciate it.
Happy Flying!
Thanks for this explanation about your crash but equally about using the flight logs. The post mortem analysis (crash or landing) is really solid info to think about and learn from. Hate this happened to you. Grateful you made it a learning experience fir us all. 👍
Nice job Russ for airing your dirty laundry no matter what the outcome. Your honesty is refreshing.
Great job, your being honest to what happen will helped all to further understand the important of line of site and I will be looking at my attitude a little closer in the future, plus learning logs, great video
In law enforcement we used to call that attitude “the John Wayne Syndrome” especially in still young but experienced to seasoned veteran officers.
I had my first over water flight today. Bright sun and iPhone screen were tiring trying to keep it all together. Drone survived but I didn’t venture too far out either.
Enjoy you channel. 👍
This is a great example of learning about flying UAVs by having a pilot honestly explaining and evaluating what happened during a specific flight situation.
It reminds me of a monthly column in Flying Magazine that I read faithfully many years ago when I was flying manned aircraft. The title was "I learned about flying from that"
Would be great if someone incorporated that kind of shared learning experience into a RUclips channel.
Russ I appreciate you sharing this, totally makes sense. I use Airdata it does cost something, but I enjoy seeing the data. I have done this very thing flying over the Columbia River although I caught myself just as I hit the water and it recovered. Always need to pay attention and don’t get complacent. Thanks again
Thanks for this, Russ! I'm a newbie with about 10 hours of drone piloting experience. I live in Western Washington where virtually every piece of public space is a forest. Because I put my Mini 2 into a tree or hung it on a wire during about 20% of my earliest flights, I changed my remote controller from mode 2 (default) to mode 1. That puts the "safer" controls that I use together continually on the left stick -- forward/back, yaw left/right -- and the controls I use less often (and have gotten me in trouble) on the right stick -- ascend/descend, roll left/right. So I only touch the right stick when I want to go in a direction to which the camera is blind. (Backward is on the left stick, and it has gotten me in trouble, but I'm more aware now.) I usually yaw in the direction I want to move so I can always see where I'm going, then I fly forward to maneuver, unless I'm looking for a particular shot traveling sideways or back.
Adopting mode 1 has dramatically changed my accuracy, and my instincts under the pressure of a perceived crisis are much improved. Taking roll and ascend/descend -- the directions my camera can't see -- out of the equation has made me much more comfortable and less likely to do something absurd.
Two or three of my tree collisions happened while practicing circling around me as a stationary point of interest. The Mini 2 widened the radius while it was behind my field of vision and went into the tree. To maintain line of sight to my Mini 2 while I practice circling around me, I built a turntable for my beach chair.
Love the fact that you called out Tim Cook. Smart Controller is where it’s at! Thanks for the vid Russ!!!
Most crashes usually involve a number of factors, (screen overheating etc.) that on their own are just an annoyance. However, sometimes they combine and contribute to a more serious outcome. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I have already learned something from your mishap. Thanks for sharing everything so honestly.
Hey Russ... Much appreciate your update to your drone crash; sharing your thoughts and the flight log info is really beneficial to all of us out here, whether Part 107 or Recreational. I think there are a lot of us who will be more mindful henceforth, of our thumb movements on the sticks, especially the left one.
While I do fly the DJI drones, I also fly a micro drone around in the house. While it is totally VLOS situation, there is no GPS factor to assist in stabilizing the drone. I find even with this drone, I can input stick movements that I am unaware of until the drone starts to drift off (or crash, if I'm too close to the wall, and such).
Lessons can be learned whether a new pilot, or a more experienced one. The wise ones listen, and learn.
Thanks again.
Thanks for your honest admission. This should be most valuable to any pilot. Keep up your good work. Roger
Thank you for dissecting the crash, for someone who i watch alot, its a good lesson for all of us.
I think your integrity is awesome and good job letting us see you in reality and not just “fluff”
Thanks for always educating fellow pilots even when it might be embarrassing
Great video! Thanks for sharing your experience and review of the incidence. I believe this is a great example of feeling too comfortable in your skills like you mentioned. Can happen to anyone. Enjoy your content and hope to take my part 107 one day.
Great stuff Russ, appreciate your honesty. Question can you drop a link to your pre-flight check list?
Russ,
This could happen to any of us, thank you for sharing what happened. Sorry for your loss!
Jerry (Big Fan)
Sorry to hear about your drone. Thanks for posting
Gutted for you Russ but we never stop learning, good that you can stand up and admit fault fair play to ya, keep up the good work
Thanks for your honesty about this incident. It serves as a reminder to all pilots.
I'm so sorry for the loss of a pretty expensive drone, but one thing I've found in 77 years, 49 of them as a pilot. Stuff happens. I've learned a lot about drone flying from you and this experience of yours is probably going to make my drone flying life even more fun than it already is. Soooo ... stop beating yourself up. You are awfully good at teaching so many of us how to make Drone choices. Keep up the good work.
Thank you. I live at the beach.I'm learning to film surfing. You just had a few seconds of human error. I think you are one of the best
Hi Russ, great video, thank you! I have been flying RC planes and helicopters for many years. What you did with the sticks we refer to as dumb thumbs. It happens. Like you said even to the best of us. I do feel your pain for the loss, but that is a part of the hobby. Keep flying and thanks again!
Nice job explaining the crash and how it happened. Thanks!
That's good that you recognize your own fault. It sucks you lost your drone, but now you hopefully won't make that mistake again. Thank you for sharing.
Glad you sorted it out.You might also send the flight data to DJI, they might be able to tell you about that unknown drop. I've seen a different type of flight data, bar graphs that actually show like power cutoffs, sensor failure, GPS etc, etc., but I'm an android user, so that might be it. Also thanks for the kudos to Mavic Pilots, been a member there for years. Lots of info and some good guys.
Russ, I printed your checklist, and thank you for allowing us to have it. I discovered that I can create a checklist in ALOFT and link it to each flight/mission. Thanks again.
Thanks for the video and your honest assessment of the events of the accident.
Great video and honesty, shows even doing everything we can to fly safe, mistakes happen.
iPhone dimming is becoming big problem, I use android so not so much, but have seen many people report issue's with iPhone dimming especially in sunny weather.
Love your content, from over the pond England 👍👌
Thanks for sharing. This really make me pay even more attention to my flying.
Great video Russ, and thanks for sharing this information. The same happened to me last year with my MIni 2, I flew into a tree, all while thinking I was flying in another direction, and having LOS on it. I forgot how forgiving the drone is when your 200 feet up in the air and not near anything, a few bad stick inputs are no big deal than.
Thanks Russ for posting , I learned a lot from this video as a Air 2 s Pilot , Thank's a lot for this lesson , greetings from Thailand
Excellent follow-up! As mentioned, I lost my Mavic 2 Pro two + weeks ago to a tall pine treetop located on a small island 76' above a stretch of raging whitewater. At first blush, I considered checklist ignorance, but your comment on "invulnerability" really hit home. After six months of successful photo and video flying over the flat and reservoirs, my confidence level was way too high for a first-time low-level flight over a river located deep in a mountainous valley. After receiving a detailed crash flight analysis from a DJI Care Refresh Rep., vis-à-vis my Flight Records, I too had unconsciously made a fatal move with my left thumb equaling “Pilot Error”. Initially, I surmised an Obstacle Avoidance failure as it occurred without warning. Flight Records rule! Albeit invest in a Smart Controller and eliminate that smartphone dimming distraction. To each his own, but I prefer the RTH feature on most all my flights, probably due to my newness to drone flying. Replacement drone arriving tomorrow and it’s going to be quite a while before any further river runs!
Thank you! Thank you so much for sharing this kind of information. Thank you for talking about this. Thank you for showing us all that even professionals can crash by mistake.
As far as the difference between IMU and VPS altitude may have been due to flying over water. I've seen this at our local lake where the VPS altitude can get erratic the closer you get to the water. Also IMU (GPS based altitude) isn't always as accurate or as fast to update as I'd like it to be.
Overall - solid video, solid information, and mad respect for publicly admitting you did something wrong. You owned it, you learned from it, and you are helping others learn from it. Cheers!
It’s was the ufo phenomena going on at the bottom of the lake Dummy
Thank you for posting and explaining. I also learned about inside flying to avoid the ceiling area.
I love that you share these kinds of learning tips and tricks. I wish I would have seen this about two weeks ago when flying my mini 2 (new hobby pilot here) I was finally getting a nice up and away shot of the kids playing and new there were trees behind where I was flying. I got cought up in how good of a memory and how good the shot looked after for ever of trying to get it to look right and it got stuck 38 ft up…… I got it back and it’s fine but lesson learned
Nice one mate, I've also almost let my ego or complacency almost lose my drone, but you've copped to it. Always a learning experience. Luckily it's a hobby/work that doesn't really threaten your personal safety unlike motorcycling (which im 100% aware and focussed) where a tiny mistake can be fatal.
Very impressive breakdown , and thanks for sharing , I have managed to down load the logs on my android phone , pretty much the same as iPhone. Did not even know that detail was available , handy to know.
It happens to the best of us. Thanks for sharing that info and for being honest.
Thank you for sharing this, Russ!
Thanks for the video, and sorry for your loss. I have done the same thing flying over water and not intentionally or realizing that I was pushing down on the decent stick, each time I was able to see how close I was, and able to raise the drone. Wouldn't it be nice that in some situations you could set the flying altitude and not have to worry about that, and you could focus on other things.
Thanks
Thanks for sharing this video, very helpful!
I'm always flying over water. Thanks for sharing this and for your advice Russ.
loved learning how to view the flight logs thank you
Excellent video and getting the data is so important in a crash. I had a crash into some trees about a month ago and total pilot error. I was trying a high speed low run at my golf course and thought I was going straight and past the dogleg left turn but after looking at the data I saw, like you, that I was leaning a bit on the sticks to gradually turn the Air 2 to the left. Without the data I might have thought something had gone wrong but seeing the sticks leaning a bit left told the story.
Thanks for sharing this and giving us and honest assessment of what occurred. This is a helpful for all drone pilots. I appreciate your humility. Let the judgers judge. They learn nothing when they do.
The same thing sort of happened to me last fall. At the time I had been flying for over two years, and was studying for my Part 107. I was doing a shoot for a friend while they were combining their corn. As I was trying to get a side to front shot I thought I was far enough away from the one tree in the area. Need less to say it crashed, took me over a month to get my Mavic 2 Pro sent off and returned for repairs.
Glad that you are able to get some closer. It sucks when it is pilot error, but keeps your confidence in the product.
Always learning can be fun and frustrating at same time great video Russ props up air2 s army out
Nice video Russ. Sorry about your loss. No matter how well we prepare and how much experience we have Murphy will find a way to get in and screw things up. Looking at your VPS Attitude you can see that as you got closer to the water surface your VPS system was not functioning very well most likely due to reflections off of the water.
Russ. I appreciate you making this video & your honesty. Its what caught my attention to your channel. Your candid ‘& thorough. Couple questions. Why turning off downward sensor is important. & can you do a tutorial on filling for lanc authorization .
This video has helped me a lot. I’m a very newbie flyer, but this has taught me that even the best fliers make a mistake.
Thank you for the previous and this video, clever people are every time open to learn more, they know they will never know everything.
Thank you for making this video. Now that I know about this detailed flight log feature I am going to go back to review a flight from June 2021 that didn't go well for me either.
Great video. I haven’t looked into log like this before. Also great mug.
This is the important stuff. Like "Son, we need to have a talk" stuff, lol. It makes me shake my head that I flew my week old Air 2 about 3-4 feet above the water, over 2000 feet out, to capture mist rising from the warm water in a reservoir on a cool morning. Worse, I almost backed into a tree leaning over the water. Yes, you need to trust the drone, but I realize now my hands were shaking with good reason! Thanks Russ..
Thank you for sharing info about the whole thing.