If a company thinks you are so valuable as to create a non compete, they should pay your full salary the entire two years the non compete is in effect!
The employer doesn't want to spend (say) a million dollars to give you the ability, once you have learned the skills, to become a competitor. The company thinks you have become valuable only through its time, effort, and money.
@@PvblivsAelivsHey bro in the context of DVM, they have all of the certifications and skills that they need already. Sure you might be able to practice one thing or certify in another, but the truth is most of the cost of education and training has already been paid for by they doctor of vet medicine. So “non-compete” clause makes zero sense in terms of fairness or competition, as the employer hardly ever invests in vet education. If they do, it hardly needs to be managed as you are lucky to have a DVM to hire anyways. DVMs are already underpaid due to letting themselves be stepped over, frankly business owners who aren’t DVMs themselves need a wake up call from sucking money from overcharged employees and overpaid vets. So while I get your argument for non-compete clauses, it makes zero sense in the context of vet medicine.
That story about 24.8 miles infuriates me. The idea of corporations and some practice owners treating their DVMs like this is horrible. It seems like they act like you are their top worker but have no problem suing you if you want to do better for yourself. Employers should instead focus on retaining their employees, if they have to worry about their vets leaving then that’s on THEM.
I had a noncompete with PetSmart that was within 5 miles for 6 months. 5 miles doesn't seem like much, but it's a lot when I live in a small town surrounded by rural farm land. They also make dog groomers sign a contract saying they'll sue you for $5000 if you leave the company within 2 years of getting certified. I broke both and really banked on the company being too busy trying to fix the shit show that was the store I quit working at than caring about me (was really hoping for that scenario since that store leader had pursued legal action before). I also gave a lengthy whistleblower email that contained pictures and screenshots of text messages showing all the policies the store leader violates and the hostile work environment she creates and that's why I'm leaving and was hoping that would get the company to leave me alone. Luckily it worked! In many states, noncompetes were illegal anyways and can't really be held up in court, but it's still really scary when you're just one person and a corporation is threatening you that they own your right to work.
A lot of businesses make empty threats (lies) because they assume many people don't know their workers rights. It's a similar tactic law enforcement uses. You have to question any policies that require a shady signature. Is this really a company I want to work for?
Thank you sharing your story! Showing how non-competes personally affected you is a perfect demonstration about how these contracts are exploitive for professional workers. It's so aggravating that the same people who are always screaming about the free marketplace and "no government regulation" enact and support such brazenly anti-capitalist policies as non-competes. I'm glad for this change but... don't forget that 1) the current SCOTUS wants to destroy the regulating authority of government agencies (Chevron cases) so this decision may end up toothless; and 2) that it's entirely possible that we'll have a certain president next year who loves stuff like non-competes. Don't celebrate just yet.
Big W for Veterinarians and other medical field workers. These greedy corporations & companies need to learn they cannot treat their essential workers like crap!
I have a family friend that was under a non compete agreement. She ended up starting a mobile vet out of a van and she wasn’t allowed to be within a range of the clinic. It’s so dumb, don’t we want people to be able to leave their job if they need to?
Yep, I was under a 25 mile noncompete from BluePearl- they would not budge no matter how many patients weren’t able to get care with the remaining cardiologist. Even when a maternity leave shut down cardiology the last 3 months of my noncompete, they wouldn’t consider any buying out or compromise. Hopefully this rule will stand, they’ve been used to trap too many vets in poor work environments for too long.
I’m really happy for US workers atm - it looks like things are finally looking up! Gratz to vets and every other field for shedding those Non-competes! I can only see this as a good thing; and I think it might even turn out really well for the employers if they give it a few years. IMO it breeds better working environments when everyone in a business has the power to set healthy boundaries or leave if they need to, because it gives room to develop genuine respect and loyalty toward everyone there, high as low, where hard restrictions on employees tend to go with expected (contractual!) loyalty from the employee “up” and seldom any the other way around. What a story about the 24.8 miles, man. Not giving you leave to take that new job strikes me as uncommonly petty of your old boss, but maybe that’s just me.
Im under a 1 year non compete from a Logistics Brokerage and I worked there for 7 years.. Made the company millions and had two top 5 customers in the entire company. They let me go and ive had to struggle for a year... Once its up in August i will be taking those customers back and putting up the middle finger to them because its been a load of S***
I am VERY excited for the possibility of the end of non-competes! For various personal reasons I am not in a position to move, so if I leave my job, even if it is because they downsize and I lose my job, then I'm screwed because i can't practice my profession without a REALLY insane commute. And their initial contract offer was for a 5 figure salary and a 25 mile noncompete...
Great video Doc. With the progress we’ve been making in this field lately I can honestly say I’m more excited now to practice than I was when I started school. Look forward to seeing how this fields grows while I’m in it.
That's amazing that someone is taking action on these predatory contracts. I really hope they ban return of service contracts for residents soon. It's wild that it's taken this long to ban these greedy practices
Let's fuckin go! I don't work as a vet but I'm super happy for y'all Lina Kahn is a champion and a patriot. Rarely do you see such an earnest public servant fighting sincerely for the people. She absolutely kicks ass
Good ridden to be sure! There are so many horror stories in our industry over this absurd clause that is in nearly every contract. As a private owner, once upon a time I had them, then an employee left, her husband had a thriving farm animal practice. I waived the non-compete , the humane society got a good veterinarian , I got good will. The only place I can see some restriction is at the sale of the practice. If I get bored in my retirement, it probably not fair for me to be able to open up down the street.
If you are a Constitutionalist as I am, then this makes sense. A non compete is a restriction of trade Now, I just wonder what the name of that first company was?? 😊
I'm so happy for Americans that non-competes are now illegal. It's already hard enough to get paid a decent wage, especially for people who can't afford to be without a wage for even a month.
Non-competes have always been almost impossible to enforce. They're a scare tactic. You can't legally stop someone from practicing their trade. Whatever legal counsel you talk to boned you.
In Orlando, Fl, for 2 1/2 years, I was working as a W2 employee, but I was getting paid as a W1099 independent contractor without benefits and no overtime pay. I've never signed a non-compete agreement, and about one month ago, I quit my job and started my own junk removal businesses, and yesterday, I was contacted by text message by my former employer and he was threatening me to stop and close my business because I violated the non-compete agreement. I was working misclassified and never signed any non-compete agreement. Can he sue me? Can I sue him because I was getting paid as an independent contractor, but I was working as a W2 employee every day from 8:00 am until he said you are clear for the day after 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 hours shift!?
There might be a use for these if they weren’t abused…but they are applying them to people with zero trade secrets at every level. I had one FORCED on me after more than two decades, then was cut in a reorg ten years later, and with all of my experience in one industry, they are barring me from work there.
Worker says... non-compete is bad, while an employer says non-compete is necessary to protect investment. Worker becomes an employer and now supports non-compete. If you have never been an employer you just can't understand how important non-competes are. And remember... no one forces anyone to sign (agree to) a non-compete, it's completely voluntary and therefore should be enforceable. Of course there are more workers than employers, so the restriction passes. Now we wait for the eventual and certain blow-back, because there is always unintended negative consequences for every action like this.
Yep, I was under a 25 mile noncompete from BluePearl- they would not budge no matter how many patients weren’t able to get care with the remaining cardiologist. Even when a maternity leave shut down cardiology the last 3 months of my noncompete, they wouldn’t consider any buying out or compromise. Hopefully this rule will stand, they’ve been used to trap too many vets in poor work environments for too long.
If a company thinks you are so valuable as to create a non compete, they should pay your full salary the entire two years the non compete is in effect!
The employer doesn't want to spend (say) a million dollars to give you the ability, once you have learned the skills, to become a competitor.
The company thinks you have become valuable only through its time, effort, and money.
@@PvblivsAelivsHey bro in the context of DVM, they have all of the certifications and skills that they need already. Sure you might be able to practice one thing or certify in another, but the truth is most of the cost of education and training has already been paid for by they doctor of vet medicine. So “non-compete” clause makes zero sense in terms of fairness or competition, as the employer hardly ever invests in vet education. If they do, it hardly needs to be managed as you are lucky to have a DVM to hire anyways. DVMs are already underpaid due to letting themselves be stepped over, frankly business owners who aren’t DVMs themselves need a wake up call from sucking money from overcharged employees and overpaid vets. So while I get your argument for non-compete clauses, it makes zero sense in the context of vet medicine.
That story about 24.8 miles infuriates me. The idea of corporations and some practice owners treating their DVMs like this is horrible. It seems like they act like you are their top worker but have no problem suing you if you want to do better for yourself. Employers should instead focus on retaining their employees, if they have to worry about their vets leaving then that’s on THEM.
I had a noncompete with PetSmart that was within 5 miles for 6 months. 5 miles doesn't seem like much, but it's a lot when I live in a small town surrounded by rural farm land. They also make dog groomers sign a contract saying they'll sue you for $5000 if you leave the company within 2 years of getting certified.
I broke both and really banked on the company being too busy trying to fix the shit show that was the store I quit working at than caring about me (was really hoping for that scenario since that store leader had pursued legal action before). I also gave a lengthy whistleblower email that contained pictures and screenshots of text messages showing all the policies the store leader violates and the hostile work environment she creates and that's why I'm leaving and was hoping that would get the company to leave me alone.
Luckily it worked! In many states, noncompetes were illegal anyways and can't really be held up in court, but it's still really scary when you're just one person and a corporation is threatening you that they own your right to work.
A lot of businesses make empty threats (lies) because they assume many people don't know their workers rights. It's a similar tactic law enforcement uses.
You have to question any policies that require a shady signature. Is this really a company I want to work for?
Thank you sharing your story! Showing how non-competes personally affected you is a perfect demonstration about how these contracts are exploitive for professional workers. It's so aggravating that the same people who are always screaming about the free marketplace and "no government regulation" enact and support such brazenly anti-capitalist policies as non-competes. I'm glad for this change but... don't forget that 1) the current SCOTUS wants to destroy the regulating authority of government agencies (Chevron cases) so this decision may end up toothless; and 2) that it's entirely possible that we'll have a certain president next year who loves stuff like non-competes. Don't celebrate just yet.
Big W for Veterinarians and other medical field workers. These greedy corporations & companies need to learn they cannot treat their essential workers like crap!
I have a family friend that was under a non compete agreement. She ended up starting a mobile vet out of a van and she wasn’t allowed to be within a range of the clinic. It’s so dumb, don’t we want people to be able to leave their job if they need to?
There is no way there are only 18% under noncompetes. It's got to be at least double that
I'm sure the percentage skyrockets as the skill required for the job increases. There's not much point in an entry level non compete.
Yep, I was under a 25 mile noncompete from BluePearl- they would not budge no matter how many patients weren’t able to get care with the remaining cardiologist. Even when a maternity leave shut down cardiology the last 3 months of my noncompete, they wouldn’t consider any buying out or compromise. Hopefully this rule will stand, they’ve been used to trap too many vets in poor work environments for too long.
Just came across you and you are incredibly well spoken and know a lot about what you speak about. If only more people could follow your example
I’m really happy for US workers atm - it looks like things are finally looking up!
Gratz to vets and every other field for shedding those Non-competes! I can only see this as a good thing; and I think it might even turn out really well for the employers if they give it a few years. IMO it breeds better working environments when everyone in a business has the power to set healthy boundaries or leave if they need to, because it gives room to develop genuine respect and loyalty toward everyone there, high as low, where hard restrictions on employees tend to go with expected (contractual!) loyalty from the employee “up” and seldom any the other way around.
What a story about the 24.8 miles, man.
Not giving you leave to take that new job strikes me as uncommonly petty of your old boss, but maybe that’s just me.
Best idea ever. Already got companies pissed off and trying to sue the FTC.
Im under a 1 year non compete from a Logistics Brokerage and I worked there for 7 years.. Made the company millions and had two top 5 customers in the entire company. They let me go and ive had to struggle for a year... Once its up in August i will be taking those customers back and putting up the middle finger to them because its been a load of S***
I am VERY excited for the possibility of the end of non-competes! For various personal reasons I am not in a position to move, so if I leave my job, even if it is because they downsize and I lose my job, then I'm screwed because i can't practice my profession without a REALLY insane commute. And their initial contract offer was for a 5 figure salary and a 25 mile noncompete...
Great video Doc. With the progress we’ve been making in this field lately I can honestly say I’m more excited now to practice than I was when I started school. Look forward to seeing how this fields grows while I’m in it.
That's amazing that someone is taking action on these predatory contracts. I really hope they ban return of service contracts for residents soon. It's wild that it's taken this long to ban these greedy practices
Let's fuckin go! I don't work as a vet but I'm super happy for y'all
Lina Kahn is a champion and a patriot. Rarely do you see such an earnest public servant fighting sincerely for the people. She absolutely kicks ass
Good ridden to be sure! There are so many horror stories in our industry over this absurd clause that is in nearly every contract. As a private owner, once upon a time I had them, then an employee left, her husband had a thriving farm animal practice. I waived the non-compete , the humane society got a good veterinarian , I got good will. The only place I can see some restriction is at the sale of the practice. If I get bored in my retirement, it probably not fair for me to be able to open up down the street.
This is such a blessing and I hope employers will start treating us better if they want to keep us instead of threatening us with non-competes.
If you are a Constitutionalist as I am, then this makes sense. A non compete is a restriction of trade
Now, I just wonder what the name of that first company was?? 😊
I'm so happy for Americans that non-competes are now illegal. It's already hard enough to get paid a decent wage, especially for people who can't afford to be without a wage for even a month.
We were talking about this at work. Thanks for sharing this.
Non-competes have always been almost impossible to enforce. They're a scare tactic. You can't legally stop someone from practicing their trade.
Whatever legal counsel you talk to boned you.
In Orlando, Fl, for 2 1/2 years, I was working as a W2 employee, but I was getting paid as a W1099 independent contractor without benefits and no overtime pay.
I've never signed a non-compete agreement, and about one month ago, I quit my job and started my own junk removal businesses, and yesterday, I was contacted by text message by my former employer and he was threatening me to stop and close my business because I violated the non-compete agreement.
I was working misclassified and never signed any non-compete agreement. Can he sue me?
Can I sue him because I was getting paid as an independent contractor, but I was working as a W2 employee every day from 8:00 am until he said you are clear for the day after 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 hours shift!?
There might be a use for these if they weren’t abused…but they are applying them to people with zero trade secrets at every level. I had one FORCED on me after more than two decades, then was cut in a reorg ten years later, and with all of my experience in one industry, they are barring me from work there.
Worker says... non-compete is bad, while an employer says non-compete is necessary to protect investment. Worker becomes an employer and now supports non-compete. If you have never been an employer you just can't understand how important non-competes are. And remember... no one forces anyone to sign (agree to) a non-compete, it's completely voluntary and therefore should be enforceable. Of course there are more workers than employers, so the restriction passes. Now we wait for the eventual and certain blow-back, because there is always unintended negative consequences for every action like this.
Wohoo!! 🙌
I work in window cleaning, this is one business where I think non competes are kind of a must have.
Yeah you can see right through it lol
Yep, I was under a 25 mile noncompete from BluePearl- they would not budge no matter how many patients weren’t able to get care with the remaining cardiologist. Even when a maternity leave shut down cardiology the last 3 months of my noncompete, they wouldn’t consider any buying out or compromise. Hopefully this rule will stand, they’ve been used to trap too many vets in poor work environments for too long.