24V 10A 240W power supply - test, failure, teardown and fix
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Today I took a look at a cheap 24V 10A 240W switching power supply module from Ebay. Let's test it, let's see what's inside, let's find its fault and let's repair and improve it :).
The next part (detailed explanation of the schematic):
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You are absolutely crazy if you have made a schematic to it, even if it had some mistakes... I'm quite impressed of your knowledge and patience, despite from the fact that I've been your regular viewer for over a year... - greetings from Poland! P.s Keep doing what you do! Your cat is absolutely cute! Congrats for 100K subs.
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Quality job there from the factory, I never realised china had invented the one-legged capacitor... :P
twocvbloke That’s really amazing!
Works great. Infinite breakdown voltage, and the capacity doesn't matter. Brilliant!
Electrictronic
Bloody HELL!! :D Well it's obviously an assembly error, whether it's manual or automatic. But what's really troubling is that it has supposedly passed QC yet Diode has clearly shown us the specs were out of whack (ex. the higher than normal standby power consumption), which leads one to believe that there may not even be quality tested or maybe just random ones only. Oh the one legged cap... they've tried to save some colder... tsk-tsk
You get what you pay for!
The bleeding resistors on the main caps also act as a voltage divider to make sure the voltage is nicely divided over the capacitors in series.
That's right :). Otherwise, the voltage may not divide properly in case the capacitors have significantly different leakage current.
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More like the inductor coil gone wild... getting hottt!! he-he
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I cant imagine the time and effort it took to look up and draw that schematic! damn!
24:42 I can't imagine you made it.
25:17 Still you are underrated. You deserve more. Or maybe only smart people subscribed you. ;)
Can you rewind the inductor with copper wire and see what effect that has? Great explanation of the problem.
I definitely plan to rewind the inductor ;). I also plan to rewind my vintage frequency meter. The problem is that I left my transformer wires in a different location, so I can't do it until I pick them up.
Cool I am looking forward to seeing the video you make. Great video as always
Perhaps a better core as well
@@DiodeGoneWild Maybe trying to beat 90% efficiency by modding (well, fixing really) it further would be a nice challenge? :D
Hardcore mode: using only scrap parts!
@@uK8cvPAq sure - we can try it once you take it out of your arse!
also - the wire would be too thin.
Very witty course in working and troubleshooting of SMPS. Very smart man, and he explains very well. He addresses every fact well, and he is not boring. Excellent.
BTW, in this lab, the cat should be placed in charge of ESD protection of all MOSFETS.
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Congrats on 100K
Thanks :)
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At 17:59 we see his beautiful cat - an important part of his success :-)
And being a virtual rocket scientist of electronics, this genius fixed several problems. Fascinating. ' -_- '
i fix my 2 years dead power supply 24v 20amps and now working perfect again i have zero knowledge but this video is perfect thank you for this video !!!
I am absolutely astonished by your power meter made out of a multimeter. It is always convenient to have a small device on hand to check things. Is it possible for you to uncover the working principle and circuitry to all of us? I really love this modification.
Dane, ty jsi neuvěřitelný - srozumitelné informace i pro absolutního neumětela zábavnou formou, trocha, tedy i více šíleností. Díky za videa.
In my 45 or so years of dealing with electronics, I have seen some strange situations..but I've never seen anything like that cap situation. LMAO !!!
Always love your explanation about power supply, you had a great experience with huge knowledge in supply and your ckt diagram help me a lot many times, Multimeater, and supply diagram, too
in the first 5 seconds I was sure you were russian... but then I heard how you spoke and I started grinning like I was crazy...
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Thank you, Diode! Congratulations on100K subs!
Looking forward to schematic explanation. Especially TL494 working principle.
Congratulations with 100 000 subscribers, DGV.
As far as I understand youtube, you are doing the right things. Such as ... uploading regularly. Interesting content.
And you put alot of time into your videos.
Even if you understand electronics very well, it takes some time to reverse-engineer circuits and draw those schematics that you do.
By watching him touch components of an live power supply I assume he's a professional.
I love how you give the viewers a breath by incorporating your cat into the video
I am so glad that your cat is an artist.
Very informative. Thank you for very detailed explanation. Today i've repaired my LED PSU - one capacitor was blown. It's better to repair then buy new and put broken to trash.
Great video, I am looking forward to see your schematic explanation because I have the same power supply in 12v/15A version with problem. I measure 12v on the output with no load connected. When I connect a load It collapsed . I believe your schematic analysis will help me to figure out the fault.
You're killing me! :-D I've never seen the both capacitor leads in one hole mistake before! :-O
First time for me also... that is just... 🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Thanks this was one of your best uploads yet. I have a list of things to characterize and test on a similar power supply now.
I've been working on a large LED bench light for ages and planned on having temperature and power monitoring. I keep letting too many features creep into the project (clock/room temp/LCD/menus/single button with multiple functions/watchdog timer/etc). I guess I'm still too stupid to "Keep It Simple *."
...anyways...now I want to add mains current sensing to monitor efficiency too ;)
Thanks for the upload.
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Finally New video. I Waited for it so much. :)
Excellent! I have one more idea for you to try: that little slope on the primary waveform when transistor turns on is most likely caused by snubber network. It is too agressive, increase R or reduce C. Should be able to gain an additional percent or two for the efficiency.
MrJohhhnnnyyy - One of the other great SMPS brains on RUclips!
Question sir: What will rewinding that hot output inductor with copper do?
@@kwpctek9190 Doing that will decrease so called copper losses ( it doesn't have to be copper, effectively it is winding loss). Copper has smaller resistance than Al, so the power dissipated on the active resistance of the winding is gonna drop. It is I^2R, by decreasing the resistance in half, you will halve the power dissipation.
@@kwpctek9190 Much more power in this case is dissipated due to wrong amount of turns, which Danyk fixed. By putting too few turns you will get giant hysteresis loss (the core of the choke will saturate, this will be followed by increased ripple on the output).
@@mrjohhhnnnyyy5797 Exactly, and the wire was copper clad, so skin depth at ~72-kHz would be under 350μm. Hey, when is Mr. Johhhnnnyyy
's next video? *☺☺☺☺*
@@mrjohhhnnnyyy5797 that he did is not proper fix it is just bodge, his fix could easy turn smps in high power oscillator, output indicator affect open loop transfer function of smps and that affect close loop stability, so after changing output inductor you usually need to at least chack stability and sometime redesign control loop.
I like your content because of step by step explanation of each part and you uses all conventional stuff for measuring. I'm always waiting for your switching power supply videos. Because it's grate and I learned many things from you. Thank You for those kind of videos.
What makes it a flyback is that when you open it and touch a live part you will fly back
Lmao, your RUclips handle says it all!!!!!
My hair used to fly back every time I touched that darn flyback coil, but now there's nothing left to fly back, it all flew away forever. he-he
you got it! when I used to work on old TVs and I touched the flyback circuit I would flyback all the time. Thank god those Boob tube tvs are gone now. flat screen tvs are alot safer
100K? Those youtubers are growing so fast T__T. Good luck with 1 million.
I need REALLY a lot of good luck with 1 million ;).
18:18 Double penetration 🤣😂. LoL seriooooooooously!
Fantastic video, thank you so much for sharing, had not thought about winding an extra winding for the scope, realy nice idea.
I have used a little inductor held close to the transformer, coupled to the scope before, to determine if the transformer was switching, that also works, but you dont get the correct waweform, only to determine if it is switching.
Looking forward to the explanation video.
Greatings form Denmark
Excellent video. Congratulations for 100k subscribers! Thank you for your work!
That's not the worst power supply I've ever seen, but it leaves a lot to desire. You've made a very nice improvement there.
That's why I like your channel and watched all your videos. This video was so informative and useful for me. Thank you.
Thanks for all the great video's of SMPS's .I have learned quit a bit from you. The fear of working on them has been removed, THANKS
U explain much better than our prof. do. Thank U very much
I remember Stefan Gotteswinter saying that Chinese tools were fine AS LONG AS you treat them as "a kit of parts" and are prepared to do a bit of work to finish them.... this certainly seems true of this PSU too. Once you've fixed the miswired cap and replaced the "fraudulent" indicator and lost a couple of transistors to testing, it should be OK.
Your cat is sooo lovely! Thanks for testing the power supply, btw.
Love seeing your cat in the video !
Nice made in the CCCP Oscilloscope!
Great video. I use these for ham radio equipment usually 12 volts 50 amps. I had a 24 volt one to at 25 amps. A couple have gone BANG & they were not being over driven. For the price they're good but some are noisy on radio, some not.
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Thanks for another interesting explanation, you certainly help my knowledge of switch modes ! Congratulations on 100,000 subs, well done, I am working on getting there, I guess I need to do more educational types of videos rather than just repairs and reviews!
Down unda! You have a great channel too! Have you ever watched SMPS channel called MrJohhhnnnyyy ?
KW PCtek - thank you. I haven’t heard of that channel before, I will have to take a look
I would like to thank your cat for the schematic :)
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Cat is his secret helper 😁🤣😂
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Waiting so long for this. Just want to buy something and send it to this guy :)).
You are great 😁👍. You take so much time, to describe everything, so we can understand and going step by step... OFCORSE we can not forget your trusty sidekick THE CAT 😺.
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Thank you so much for your time and Diligence for producing this video.
Love your videos. I think you explain and diagnose problems way better than Dave Jones.
Was beginning to miss your videos. Enjoy your videos very much!
Congratulations for 100k subscribers
Ridiculous accent, but very good knowledge and understanding of electronic circuits with all the needed details put on display. Great job! I'm subscribing.
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Sir, execellent test, fault detection and improvement. Congratulations!
Tak tohle video bylo jedno z nejlepších. To se fakt povedlo. Člověk se i něco naučí. Dík. A víc takových.
Another very interesting video with a lot of useful info, thanks. That 4.7uF @ 50v was unbelieveable.
Great video and awesome repair. and congratulations on 100,000 subscribers you deserve all the rewards that come with the hard work you you have put into so many videos.......
I can learn everything I want from you! the halfbridge PSU design is super fascinating, normally in professional PSU's (like a quality TV set) they will be at super high frequency using Litz wire and a smaller capacitor. it is pretty robust that it doesnt explode because one of the transistors died.
You are the best teacher ever,thanks my friend❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I love the way you fixed that transformer soldering iron. I have dozen of these and they seem to be indestructible apart from the threads in the copper bars that give up after tightening couple of times...must try that
The R1 and R2 across the primary smoothing capacitors are not for discharging them, but for making sure their voltages are divided more evenly as they are in series and their small leakage currents would eventually make them unequal. The resistors basically have a current through them that is a few times larger than the capacitors leakage current, and they act as stiff voltage dividers compared to the leakage currents.
Well, at least ESR of that cap was the same as during manufacture, no degradation at all)
Analysis and explanation of very high level. Big thanks
this is definitely good video. these chinese PSUs cheap as hell, but some of them have bad soldering and bad components. this video show how to fix it. a big thumbs up.
Have you ever looked at a quality PSU? Maybe ones from Agilent. You know, the ones made in China. If you buy crap what do you expect? The Agilent units from China are great. Of course you're only interested in crapping on the Chinese when you spend nothing. Whanker.
@@boonedockjourneyman7979 i did not say "bad words" for chinese psus. Of course most of them work perfect. i dont know why did you talking like this. May be you have more serious problems than these psus.
Thanks for an interesting, informative, and very well structured video
This capacitor is a part of DC-component reconstruction circuit in driving transformer secondary side. Without this capacitor positive and negative sides of pwm waveform will not appear above zero. In case of small duty cycle output voltage will mostly be in the positive side, in case of 50% duty cycle the output voltage will swing symmetrically around zero, but in case of high duty cycle output of the driving transformer will be mostly negative. In other words it will work with light loads somehow but with the load increasing there will be less and less amplitude margin to drive the power transistor open.
100k suscribers, bloody well done!!! Your chanel has taken an up-swing, I believe you can become much more popular, especially if you make videos about interesting devices like this PSU for example! You may also want to add a means of contacting you for people that may want to sent you a device to analyze/fix/make a video about!
Keep it up!
i like how you draw the things yourself instead of just printing out some boring table
We need more failure, teardown and fixing videos.
Congratulations on reaching 100k subscribers!!! 🎉🎉🎉
A large number of this exact same module was used to power huge LED lighting arrays built into an outsource contract set on TV production studio where i work. Within hours the things were making terrible smells but the supply label showed they should have been OK on current for the LED loads. Then while on-air one of them began to produce lots of smoke and then actual flames and eventually parts of the LED set lights went out. We found ALL supplies were just really cheap rubbish, way below performance and it was that terrible aluminum-wire toroid that had gone on fire or ran screaming hot! (plus thin tracks feeding it). We bought professional supplies (Meanwell) at great cost but the BIGGEST problem is they had to be silent i.e. no fan noise being as it was a TV studio.... (so hence cost).
Yes, Meanwell are pretty darn good. Also, TDK-Lambda are good too.
Outstanding video, love smps videos, congrats for 100k subs!!!
With these Power Supplies, a Heat sink is also printed on the Circuit Board under the Bridge Rectifier, which is always missing. Top Video LIKE
Wow, you really know your stuff. Plus the soldering gun and the Russian CRT oscilloscope reminds me of my secondary school practice in TV repair shops in what was then Yugoslavia!
Oh, and your cat is adorable :)
In the 2nd video, will we see output voltage and start-up trace from the main trafo? (ie: "soft-startup or when Vcc is cut from the TL494). This should show that 0.5vdc on the output terminal means self-oscillation works, but control circuit has failure.
Thanks mate, I fixed my broken supply thanks to you!
I'll make it clear, I love your videos, mainly because of the amount of information you provide on the subject of the video, it seems to me that there is no lack of details (it must be a little stressful to make videos like this). Maybe one day consider testing a Brazilian power supply that is one of the best in Brazil (brand: Spark Usina), I recently acquired one and wanted to know about its quality and if it is efficient and does not waste a lot of energy due to the power factor.
Regarding the output inductor, I think skin effect will be heating up the wire as well. At 25 kHz skin depth is about 0.4mm so any wire above 0.8mm dia is basically useless. Something to think of when/ if you rewind the torroid.
isnt it plaster , not compound? plaster is supposed to harden like glue when exposed in air
Plaster is a compound too.
Paul Frederick of course it is. but what i mean it should be like thermal conductive glue and it hardens after time
@@Cheese_1337 exposed to air I think all thermal compound dries out hardens up eventually given enough time and heat to cure. Least that's what I've seen scrapping electronics.
@@1pcfred they do, but what i mean is the plaster is like a glue, you don't need to fasten two surfaces with screws or something else.
@@Cheese_1337 I need to fasten components together with hardware. I've been drilling and tapping heatsinks all night long in fact.
Cooling of transistors and very important.
Producers of this kind of equipment seem to forget that.
Veritáska likes your chair as usual
Excellent video. I learnt a lot over my first coffee of the day.
Great Effort.Amazing.Thanks a lot for valuable information.
Very interesting it was good to see they put the suppresion caps and choke in it so often they get left out so at least they got that right! The error with the little cap having both leads in one hole was totally unaceptable I'm guessing they have no quality control congratulations on 100 000 subscribers that must feel awesome. Finally your cat needs her own channel
Thank you for your time and efforts sir.
Recently I've ordered similar psu, but 12x15, looks like they're identical. But hot-side transistors are in insulated packages and capacitor connected properly, board is identical and looks like inductor winded with non-copper wire too.
Thanks for this great test and teardown with excellent explanation and repair. Its not the first time you see such messy work on chinese electronics. They go for the cheapest workers with little or no experience in electronics and have to work as fast as they can. Probably all done by hand. Still the price is astonishing for the amount of work! Looking forward for the second part. I have nearly the same PSU (12V / 25A) and want to tweak it a little bit. For me output diodes and inductor get the most hot after a while on full load but still o.k.
Congratulations for 100k subscribers!
Best videos out there on switch mode stuff.
Any videos celebrating 100k ? (Your old constructions, etc.)
But something safer than what ElectroBOOM does :-)
You are brilliant. Your video is brilliant. Your descriptions are brilliant. Subbed. Thank you for sharing.
спасибо.
Diode gone wild smps expert😂
Love your videos. You can't get deals like that any more.
No one Does it like DiodesGoneWild...
100K completely insane my friend!
This guy speaks like a salesman in a department store trying to convince you something 😁
But man your a legend! Great review and your techniques are different and awesome! I just ordered online one of these psu to use it for my old cordless drill with step down buck conventer to 9.6-10v. Is this ok? Do you recommend to use a fan for cooling aside from changing the thermal compound of the transistor chips? Thanks man! more power to your channel 😊
Nice! I wonder how high you could push the efficiency by replacing those transistors with higher quality ones (lower ON resistance and shorter ON/OFF transition time).
The isolator pads are also thermal conductive pads.