The fact that _The Care Bears Movie_ becomes successful and beats Disney's _The Black Cauldron_ in the box office makes the "Care Bears Stare" defeating dark, evil villains more poetic and hilarious.
@@adultmoshifan87 This. Keep in mind this was the 1980's, when just about every cartoon in existence at the time was formulated under one purpose - to sell toys.
@@SailorMaxie Yeah. After all, it was the 80s back when animated cartoons are one huge commercial for toy lines, especially for Transformers, MLP, or He-Man.
we still have Fantasia 2000 on VHS somewhere, and rented out Atlantis every month for years from the local library because it was - and still is - my favourite sadly I watched Treasure Planet just a couple years ago for the first time, I probably would've loved it as a kid, but it's still amazing and I liked it very much and rewatched it since then multiple times
I will die on the hill saying that "Emperor's New Groove" is a highly underrated Disney movie. The movie was funny as hell, especially with a voice cast of David Spade, John Goodman, Eartha Kitt and Patrick Warburton, to name a few.
Damn right. It's such a simple yet comedically rich story with how stupid and nonsensical it can get. Kronk is such a good character, performances for everyone are just the right balance of serious to silly. A top tier comfort movie.
To this day I’m still pretty pissed at Disney for essentially putting Treasure planet in a place where it had no chance to do well, practically robing it of its potential.
@@thefloppdontstop4405 It's not just Chibi Robo, Nintendo refuses to take Skip seriously compared to other developers like Retro Studios and Intelligent Systems.
The biggest moral point of "Meet the Robinsons" is *Learn from your mistakes* . Be grateful for them, embrace them. They are the greatest teachers. The only thing you should fear is hopelessness and bitterness.
Yeah, there seemed to be a clear element of "If you change the past, you may not have grown up to be the same person you ultimately ended up being". Though in Goob's case that was preferred as he felt ostracized to the point of being the villain (or believed he was), the main character meeting his own mother would completely alter the course of his future in a way that probably would've hurt his development. Ergo, she probably gave him up because she knew it was the best chance he had at a future. Tragic but kind of a "best if I never knew the truth."
Emperor's New Groove is so funny and ultimately so sweet and positive. I remember the first time I watched it, my mom said she was so happy to see a family in a Disney movie where the mom isn't dead, LOL.
But they really mismanaged the sequels. Kronk at least was able to recover over time, but Milo's Return, yeesh, that really was made as a tv show rather than a movie.
I remember seeing Rescuers Down Under on the big screen as a kid and being blown away at the flying scenes and landscapes. And Joanna the Goana is a hugely underrated Disney villain sidekick.
I can’t think of this movie without thinking about that one flying scene where there near a building and one of the buildings is a playboy magazine picture
Here is the thing I find most astonishing. As an adult, to go back and watch any of these “b” Disney films, they are all unique pieces of art in their own way. It always shocked me that Alice, 101 Dalmatians, and sleeping beauty were considered less desirable than the others
I always felt like there's more of a "reason" why a lot of really good movies "Flopped" while some of the "best" movies generally aren't as impressive as everyone wants to say. In a sense, you have to consider the source of the reviews and the times and conditions. A lot of people, especially in the past century simply didn't have a voice to share what they thought of the movie, only maybe select individuals, usually cynics who looked more at the numbers and likely localized numbers too. (it's like if you ask 50 random people what they think of a new drink and most of them happen to not like citrus as they're older and dislike sourness, then assuming that NO one would like Orange juice, arguably one of the most successful drinks in the world that isn't soda). Where Disney has thier thumb in the wrong hole is making the wrong assumptions about their failures, and not reviewing from a more personal perspective what makes a movie good or not. I do get that it costs a fortune to make passion projects though, but it'll forever bug me how people keep saying "The Iron giant was a failure" despite being such a fantastic movie, while Frozen has literally been shoved in our faces for the past decade now despite being...okay. I mean Let it Go is really good, but gosh the plot isn't making me watch the movie 100 times like I would Lion King or Finding Nemo. Really it's ultimately more like the success or failure of the movies is based on the opinions of cynical critics looking for something particular to their tastes and instead of Disney budgetting to market to the niche audiences to see a ton of little successes, they keep acting like everything needs to be an "Appeal to everyone, but mostly the cynical share holders and then BUY our attention" and you end up with shows that seem like they're supposed to appeal to a certain audience completely missing the mark cause the heart just isn't there.
Yeah, we had it on tape (a Christmas present from my grandmother) and I loved it. I was actually surprised when I learned that it was considered a flop.
Fun fact: Bambi was supposed to be the next Disney film after Snow White, not Pinocchio. Pinocchio was mostly a small knit group of Disney animators as the majority of the company was moved onto the 2 more ambitious projects. But Fantasia kept spiralling in size and was such a massive undertaking/money sink that they were forced to rush out Pinocchio. Also another fun fact: Walt Disney’s father was a Pre WW1 Communist and Disney literally learned to draw by tracing his fathers Communist political pamphlets. That makes the animators strikes in the 40s and Walts strong response to them really ironic!
I imagine someone growing up with a Marxist parent could easily be anti-communist. Marxist’s aren’t good people. They’re always narcissists who think that if they were the king of the world everything would be a utopia.
@@mysticalkeyblade759 The expanded beliefs espoused by the unemployed rantings of the parasite known as Karl Marx. It’s espouses that capitalism is the root cause of suffering and that everyone is exploited and everyone should be constantly aware of their social class. And some bullshit about how workers should own the means of production even though they are unwilling to invest in creating the means of production.
Treasure Planet will always have a special place in my heart. It's one of the earliest memories I have of seeing a movie in theaters and it was probably the catalyst for my love of Sci fi and pirates
I remember working at Hallmark back in the day, and they suddenly decided they were going to sell DVDs. (Not Hallmark movie dvds, for some weird reason, but I think it was specifically Disney.) Treasure Planet was the first one they put out, and I’d never heard of it and assumed it was a straight to video release. I don’t think I’d seen a single poster, trailer, anything for it. I’m still sort of surprised that this and Atlantis managed to gain such followings when it feels like Disney sent these off to die.
The thing about Strange world is the marketing wasn't just bad, it was nonexistent. My whole friend group was planning to go watch it in theatre and we didn't know it came out. We thought it wasn't out and we waited for trailers just assuming because we saw absolutely nothing that nothing new had happened with it, no new information and no release date. Then we saw it on Disney Plus! Like wtf, why wasn't marketed at all.
I don't think they even initially revealed it at a D23 or Comic Con or anything like that, they just randomly dropped a teaser on twitter a couple months prior to release and that was it
@@whatamidoing3065Where? I did not know it was even a movie until it was already out. Genuinely. Where did you find commercials for it without trying to?
The end of this video is my absolute favorite, but also the saddest, thing about this whole video. I desperately wish modern Disney just wasn’t as afraid of failure as they seem to be. Everything feels the way it does now because they’re terrified to push the envelope and lose money. The company is just so large now with so many assets, and everything is more expensive to make than ever before. But pushing the envelope and boundaries is what resonates with so many of us still to this day. It’s truly where the magic came from. And it’s just mind boggling to me that that fact takes a back seat because, at the end of the day, it’s “just business”.
Times have changed... back then, to make an animation like that took a huge stack of paper, an expensive camera, and a lot of time and commitment. Now, many people can make animations like this in thier bedrooms if they really wanted to using maybe $1000 technology at most (our own smart phones or tablets). and the only reason why it's "just business" mentality is because many people are deluded into believing the world owes them money for making their dream projects, but feel they need to be paid just to even come up with them in the first place. and any attempts to make animation cheaper and easier for the masses as well as more accessible is met with a ton of slander from people who usually have nothing to do with the business. (see everyone still insisting that AI is "Theft" and shutting down anyone that uses it, as if we should be paying people an extra $4000 to hand paint every tree leaf, or as if modern artists aren't using AI in tools like photoshop to make simple geometric characters with no sense of detail and callling that "human made art"). But at least we can make great shows on our own without investing as the only thing that really needs to be paid for lately is people to do it for us. The tech and apps and hardware and publishing is again... $1000 at most and that's the cost of a modern smart phone or tablet.
A factor that needs to be mentioned is budget. Disney keeps putting over 100 million into everything which causes bigger expectations. DreamWorks went through the same thing and the big costs meant possible hits were seen as flops because the income didn't match the big costs. But recently DreamWorks has scaled down their budgets with the animation being more stylized and even Croods 2 kept the same look on a smaller budget. Their 2022 movies were seen as big hits mostly because it was easier to top the lower budgets, at least lower by Hollywood standards. I get some movies need big budgets but not everything does so that's something Disney should keep in mind for the future. As well as putting less stock in streaming to make up for theatrical losses.
Hard agree! Completely different genre, but I look at a production company like Blumhouse as one of the pinnacles of success. They made Happy Death Day for less than $5M and it made $125M in theaters. Invisible Man was made for $7M and made $144M in the beginning of the pandemic, when theaters were very rapidly closing.
Came here to say that The Rescuers Down Under was one of the only movies from my childhood that felt just as good upon rewatching as it did the first time. Any scene with that eagle is just TOO COOL, in a mature way. The rest of the movie of course holds up too. Probably because it isn't particularly fantasy-centered or childish - and instead focuses on more serious and realistic themes, such as poaching of endangered animals. Also, the boy is in actual mortal danger, with guns and all. I like that.
@@4Corry The budget you see reported doesn't usually factor in marketing and other promotional expenses. It's a general rule in Hollywood that your movie needs to make at least double its budget just to break even.
As a fan of the Black Cauldron, I have long maintained that 1) the Great Mouse Detective is the start of the Disney Renaissance and 2) we wouldn't have the Disney Renaissance without Black Cauldron
@@DogDogGodFog to be fair to the TGMD they leaned on the hope that you understand that Basil is just mouse Sherlock Holmes and Rattigan is rat Moriarty and it worked.
This is honestly a really good message about how failures should make you stronger instead of weaker, put in a great way as well. Some box office bombs have become cold classics whilst others have been renowned as underrated masterpieces.
An interesting thing/coincidence I'd like to point is that most of the biggest successes Walt Disney Animation had in the late-90s/early-2000s (Mulan, Tarzan, Lilo and Stitch, Brother Bear) were largely produced outside of California. Mulan, Lilo and Stitch, and Brother Bear were animated at Walt Disney World in Florida, and much of Tarzan was animated by animators in both France and Florida. How did Disney repay the staff of these movies? They closed down the Florida animation facility right after Brother Bear released, effectively punishing the staff of their recent financial-successes for box office flops they had little involvement in.
And what do they have occupying the space of that former Florida animation studio now? Star Wars Launch Bay. Like having that single Star Tours ride at WDW was never enough for them, they had to completely remove an attraction still reminding people of their animated legacy just to fill up the park with even more Star Wars now that they can milk off of the franchise as much as they want. I had the wonderful experience of visiting WDW back in 1997 and seeing a bit of the Florida studio when it was still active, which was just a year before the release of their first animated feature Mulan, and can still remember seeing some of the animation for the movie being previewed on monitors in the uncolored stages. It's still extremely disheartening for me having to think of the cruel fate that befell the studio after producing a couple of genuinely good Disney movies, but even more so now knowing what kind of inferior attraction Disney now has sitting in its place.
Disney was ahead of his time with a lot of his movies. I remember watching Sleeping Beauty for the first time as a kid in the early 00s and I thought it was a work of art
I’m a 90s kid, grow up watching Aladdin, Hercules and also some Disney classics before my time. Wasn’t until I grow up that I discover that some of my favorite Disney films were considered failures when they were released 😮 This was a great video, I agree that failure can be a better teacher than success. And I love the pizza box joke 😂
Remember: when a piece of media bombs, it does not make it bad. Coloration does not causation. there are plenty of TV shows and films I love that did not do well, but I feel are underappreciated. It could be bad timing too as you mentioned. WWII, pandemics, not the right time to release. I hear if certain films came out ten years earlier or later, it would have been a hit.
@@joshuasgameplays9850 It's the only one of these I hated as a kid lol, some good scenes here and there I legit remember the relationship between the brothers being good but all the humor stuff in the middle lost me.
That ending was so touching, it's so true, I failed 4 times in college before I found the career that really made me happy. Failure is not the end, it's the beginning, thanks for that, Eddache.
I grew up watching Rescuers, and it meant so much to me. When I watched it again after about 9 years from the last time, I cried because of pure nostalgia. I will always praise that movie. It is gorgeous
@@DogDogGodFog Down Under gets way more love. I'm not sure why. I prefer the original. It's darker though, that's for sure. That might be part of the problem.
I love the Rescuers Down Under. The weirdest part is how the movie ends abruptly with so many lose threads. Wilbur isn't reunited with the cast. The captive animals are forgotten about. It feels like it got cut down after storyboards were done but before animation was completed.
Its funny cause I loved the black cauldron as a kid, I remember watching it before going out of dinner on birthday. My dad named our lizard after Johana from the rescuers
Something worth noting about that music cue from Dinosaur getting reused again and again, even by other studios: that's not the first time that's happened. On several Disney DVD releases, the disc opens with a brief montage of clips beginning with Jack Sparrow speaking the line "We have our heading," then Peter Pan announcing "Here we go!" This is then followed by a portion of the opening title music from Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (which was itself used as part of that movie's production company for many years in the 90s).
21:46 Ok, I just rewatched the movie and let me just say this. I know that some of the stuff in Meet the Robinsons isn’t that good, but it is still a great movie. With interesting ideas and characters like Lewis and Wilbur, an amazing score with the help of Danny Elfman, and a great message that pushed even me to “Keep Moving Forward.” Also, Bowler Hat Guy is a funny and great villain (he’s basically a mix of Doofensmirtz and Waluigi). It definitely deserves more love and attention
I grew up watching Disney vhs as a kid. Throughout the 90s, old Disney movies made me want to be a writer as I want to make my own amazing stories like the ones I watched as a kid. This video really takes me back. Good job, Edd
Can I just appreaciate you dedicated a moment to discussing a score by James Newton Howard, a very underrated composer in the industry. Respect and yes, that score is beautiful.
Both an interesting video and an emotional rollercoster! The end segment about failure being a part of success got me surprisingly emotional 😅 Great video Eddie!
Giving Dinosaur some additional points, along with the Journey of the Egg, that incredible meteor sequence in permanently burnt into my childhood memories. Also Atlantis is amazing with diverse characters and beautiful visuals.
Atlantis is one of my favorite animated movies ever. Milo and Kida are probably my favorite Disney couple, the action scenes are truly thrilling, and there's an important message about respecting other cultures instead of trying to capitalize off of them.
Oliver and Company is another one, it's like they saw Ralph Bakshi Movies and though, "Man NYC would make a great sitting for our next film but keep it G, we got a name to keep"
I think Strange World and Encanto are both proof that streaming is the way to go. Both weren’t large successes but huge on Disney+. Not to say don’t release movies in theaters, but some movies are gonna be more successful online.
It helps that for parents a Disney+ day one release is a no brainer. Plenty of people are still struggling financially from the fallout of Covid lockdowns, lack of government support and the long term physical problems of having Covid, on top of rampant inflation caused by inept governments raising tax on the lowest earners instead of chasing up the Corporation tax that Amazon, Starbucks and other companies do not pay, ON TOP OF the massive amount of price gouging from energy & fuel companies over the last year since Russia invaded Ukraine & the UK and US Government rubbed their hands together at the thought of selling more weapons to both sides. Poor or money-concious parents with more than one kid to pay £5+ snacks, drinks, parking, fuel etc for? Sure, 1 movie like a new MCU movie or Universal or Sony animation movie in the cinema every few months, but if it releases on Disney+ day 1, then save the money and they can rewatch it endlessly and you're less often gonna get bombarded by the repetitive "Let it Go" and "How Far I'll Go" sessions
And it also is important to note that "Encanto" still was at the top at the box office and became the second most profitable animated movie of that year. But it would also have made more money if it hadn’t gotten a shorter theatrical run than what many earlier Disney movies did due to the pandemic. Then it became a huge hit when it was made avaible for streaming and won the Best Animated Feature Oscar and had a number 1 single and won a Grammy. "Sing 2" is heralded as the bigger hit by some Disney haters, but they don't want to see that box office results isn't the only measure of success especially during a pandemic. Besides, people talk so much more about "Encanto" than about "Sing 2", that I must say that in the end, it is clear which movie made the biggest impression on the public...
Unfortunately, there are not many people who can manage to make animated history exciting. But Eddie Bowley has definitely cracked the code. Well done!
Walt Disney was a very difficult man to work with, he was always looking for perfection but you can't deny how inspiring his journey was. He was abused as a kid, betrayed by his animators in the early days, called insane when released snow white, seeing his passion project fantasia bombed and yet he never gave up. For me the company is WALT Disney animation studios and i'll always look him as an inspiration (in the animation/artistic department of course not in his personal life stuff, he was a man of his time)
I literally just discovered & subscribed to your channel less than 10 minutes ago & was just thinking to myself: "Man, his last video was 2 months ago. Hope it doesn't take him that long to upload a new one. " ...and here we are.
The Rescuers Down Under was one of my favorite movies as a kid. Cartoons about talking mice being tiny in general were always among my favorites, actually.
Treasure planet is honestly one of my favourite movies I've watched it countless times and enjoy each one just as much as the first, it will always hold a special place in my heart
This is gonna be a weird connection but bear with me. So I've always been strangely drawn to The Black Cauldron. Something about it just ticks all the right boxes for me. I was 4 when it was released and I didn't see it till I was a teen so I don't know where the fascination came from. I had no idea there was a book. There's actually 5 books and Black Cauldron is the 2nd in the anthology called The Chronicles of Prydain. In them is a character named Prince Gwydion. Gwydion is a name from Welsh mythology who was a hero, magician and trickster. There was a Sierra game I played as a kid called King's Quest and the third game in the series had you play as a boy named Gwydion. Gwydion in the game has to learn magic to trick his master and escape and he learns he is actually Prince Alexander of Daventry. The author of The Black Cauldron and The Chronicles of Prydain is Llyod Alexander. Sierra also made the Black Cauldron game.
Sierra was my childhood. I grew up with the King's Quest and Quest for Glory games. We had the Black Cauldron video game as well (played that years before I actually saw the movie) and the midi version of the theme song to that game will be burned into my brain until the day I die.
"Go woke, go broke" is obviously little more than a thinly veiled right-wing slogan meant to discourage a particular kind of narrative from being made. But with that said, as a historian of culture I do find it interested to analyze the implications of it. Disney is an interesting example. If we go back just 15-20 years, Disney wasn't targeting a particular demographic as strongly as they do nowadays. Before then, and especially before the internet of the 2010's allowed for easier political organization and socialization among minorities, Disney's works tended to range between fairly safe and straightforward or explicitly conservative. Nowadays, they're clearly aiming for a more a more left-leaning audience. But with the internet of the 2010's came the extreme political polarization that we're seeing today. The ease of organizing offered many a voice they simply didn't have before, and now those people are speaking up in a big way, challenging the norms and conventions that classic Disney media wrote itself into. But this is also an era of extreme consumption; and extreme political consumption at that. And when a movie doesn't do well at the box office because it has some overtly politicized themes in it (not that it's necessarily political in nature, but that it becomes politicized by the polarization phenomenon), I'm convinced that political consumption definitely has a part to play in the results. We're at a point were simply consuming a particular message, whether you end up agreeing with it or not, is often regarded as implicit, if not explicit support. It's probably not entirely unfair to suggest that a lot of right-wing political consumers are worried that simply watching a particular movie somehow compromises their political position and makes them "complicit" in a crisis of their own imagining, and hence they refuse to go, leading to less impressive box office numbers than one might have expected in the past. I say that, because if we assume that to be true, it's hardly a surprise that properties which feature politicized topics that might challenge conservatives appear to do worse, although hardly as badly as is suggested by these same people. That being said, some marketing is also overtly political in its messaging, which will definitely turn away the opposition, while also possibly alienating politically aligned consumers who don't regard their media consumption as necessarily being a form of political activism. That is to say that even if you are politically aligned with a piece of media in theory, you might be looking for escapism that doesn't overtly reference this alignment rather than something that's going to engage you politically as you watch. In other words; everyone needs a break every now and then. And that's to say nothing of people who might simply not want to watch something because they expect their values to be so perfectly aligned with what the product has to offer that they regard the whole thing as predictable and hence not worth watching.
Often there isn't much correlation between critical and commercial success, but it seems to hold up pretty well here. All of the Disney movies that are acclaimed as truly great movies - The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast etc - those made absolute bank. (Except Fantasia, though I've always felt there's a lot of emperor's new clothes going on when people discuss that movie, like because it's artsy you look smart for praising it, so everyone praises it without even necessarily watching it first.)
The best part was the reference to Walking with Dinosaurs! That show was my entire childhood! I still have my old videotapes in my room, together with Walking with Beasts, god.. The nostalgia
We as viewers are a fickle bunch. We want to see something new and novel, at the same time familiar and comforting. Many of these failures were because Disney either didn't make it new and different enough or it wasn't a lot like it's previous classics. The amount of time it takes to make a movie, often people views and preferences may have changed in that time frame.
Amazing movie can be box office flop... The opposite can be true, terrible movie, can be box office hit, just look at transformers, twilight and the Last Jedi
I'm not a big fan of "woke" movies or anything, but for FUCK SAKE, a gay character being in a movie is NOT woke. Gay people FUCKING EXIST, how is their EXISTENCE being accurately represented in media going woke? It pissed me off when people said Lightyear was woke because "oh no, there's a lesbian character in it...oh NOES!" Like...did you actually WATCH the movie? Her inclusion is so natural in the movie, almost like they're treating her like an actual real person, and not just a wokeism. They treated her just like they would have treated a straight character, like a normal person. That's not being woke.
Could Disney have not marketed Strange World properly because of ties to other countries with anti gay laws and sentiments? If it flops, it gives Disney and excuse to say that including more diverse characters doesn't pay.... A perverse way of them justifying being able to make content for those territories.
The argument isn’t that strange world flopped because there was a gay character, the argument is that is wasn’t marketed because there was a gay character
I'm gonna be honest. I kinda didn't even know that strange world existed until I started hearing right wing weirdos saying "DISNEY'S GONE WOKE". In my opinion right wing culture warriors hating on the movie did a better job marketing it than Disney themselves.
my family had rescuers down under and I remember quite liking it, weird being reminded that it was a flop, same with Dinosaurs, heck when he was younger it was my brothers favorite movie. also I'm with Ilovekimpossiblealot, Treasure Planet was incredible
Atlantis and Treasure Planet are my favorite Disney movies, Black Cauldron is severely underrated, and Rescuers Downunder is Disney's most gorgeous and visually spectacular film.
I definitely agree with you on treasure planet, love that movie. However, I never cared for Atlantis though, I don’t hate it per se but it could’ve been a lot better.
@@maxpowell3275 Specifically, I love the Finnish dub of it. It has an energy to match the animation and characters that the English one lacks. If you look up clips here on RUclips, you'll see what I mean. Like this one: ruclips.net/video/XQu2H4WMZUw/видео.html
It’s a shame that such good and needed queer representation finally existed in an animated Disney film, but the representation was attached to a very mediocre film and the marketing for said film was absolutely terrible. It felt like Disney was ashamed to even release it, and I don’t know if it was because the film was bad, the company is run by homophobes, or all of the above…
That I am a huge Disney and animation fan and I have not even heard of Strange World is pretty ridiculous. And I'll be the millionth person to say that Treasure Planet is entirely underrated.
Wow. History does repeat itself. Negligence in the workplace, financial struggle, the center of issues from the public which some for the wrong reason, and events for the time that change us audience. But in the end, there will be an audience for films that have bombed or merely forgotten that deserve to be talked about.
Treasure Planet didn't fail because people were tired of 2D animation, the west was tired of DISNEY 2D animation and disney-fied stories and Shrek just added further light to the problem. There's a contempt many have for animation even now, despite the medium having the guts and ability to tell stories and use subject matter no other style will touch.
To be fair about Strange World, having an openly gay character will hurt its international standing since the majority of countries don't support it. And it’s different because it’s actually shown in multiple scenes and is somewhat important in the story compared to other gay characters. Obviously that's a bad thing, but China, Russia, and Islamic countries aren't going to be huge on that or anything
I’m so happy to finally hear someone mention how incredible the Dinosaur Main Theme. It is just full of this boundless optimism and love of life, it moves me to tears. Too bad it got buried in a forgotten Disney film, but no wonder it was used as stock music for film trailers.
The real gut punch is that no, a gay character in Strange World didn’t make it fail…but that’ll be where blame is placed and becomes Disney’s perfect excuse to never feature prominent gay characters again. That’s always how it goes.
Me personally, I'm actually getting pretty tired of cg animations. It feels more lacking now. I personally much prefer 2d. As well as the blend of both in projects like Spiderverse, which is also a style in other projects like Arcane, Entergalactic, and the next TMNT film. As well as Puss In Boots the last wish.
This video just made me realize how realistic a portrayal of a megalomaniacal millionaire Cave Johnson was, the more I listen to how Walt Disney spoke and dealt with things. It's only a slight exaggeration of his personality.
18:17 NGL, I LOVED Atlantis and Treasure Planet, those were the highest peaks that disney ever had when merging 2D and 3D, after Treasure Planet, nothing was the same, in a bad way...
I recognized two furry things in this video that there's a first fursuiter "Hilda the Bamboid" and I recognized one fursuiter at the rally before the parade.
In the future, since the 2030s, We hope these new movies. We saw that non-Disney cartoons series truly look like and fit to Walt Disney animation. So, our favorable Non-Disney cartoons series should be produced by Walt Disney Animation Studio. These new outer-media remake (3D) Animation movies surely have many sequels. The (3D) movies' title is ...... 'Astro Boy / Iron Arm / Astro Boy V / Iron Arm V' whose original designer was Osamu Tezuka. * The letter 'V' means 'victory'. Main Protagonist Concept • Name : Astro Boy / Astro / Adam [America, Europe, Oceania] / Atom [Asia, Middle East] / Adam Astrobot / Atom Astrobot / Adam The Astro Boy / Atom The Astro Boy • Species : The male teenage robot with human souls+minds and 100,000 horsepowers • Age : 15~16 • Nationality : perhaps South Korean+Japanese American Background : Metropolis of Shin York / Ship York / New Yoku * Shin York = New Yoku = New York + An East Asian City. * Shin [KOR🇰🇷/JPN🇯🇵] means New [ENG🇺🇸]. * Yoku [JPN🇯🇵] means York [ENG🇺🇸] * This is perhaps located in the same country with 'San Fransokyo' from Disney 'Big Hero 6' Series, so there will add cameos from 'Big Hero 6' Series.
As long as Disney insist on trying to appeal to everyone, no matter the cost, there is always going to be something holding it back, whether it's canning a successful show because it's showing "content" that's getting too hard to edit out they don't want to get controversial for on mid-western families or just giving lip-service to queer representation as a boon for here in America, but easy to cut out everywhere else without affecting the film, if need be.
Even though I thought Lilo and stitch was the only sci fi animated to hit at the box office and was received well from critics and has a lot positive reviews
It's strange to me that strange world is considered a flop, i had seen literally no marketing for it, not even a poster or the name of the film, until it hit disney plus. I didn't even know it had come out in cinemas for a couple of weeks first until a few weeks after. I wouldn't consider that any fault of the movie, especially since it's great!
The fact that _The Care Bears Movie_ becomes successful and beats Disney's _The Black Cauldron_ in the box office makes the "Care Bears Stare" defeating dark, evil villains more poetic and hilarious.
I'm pretty sure The Care Bears Movie was a hit thanks to brand recognition.
@@adultmoshifan87 This. Keep in mind this was the 1980's, when just about every cartoon in existence at the time was formulated under one purpose - to sell toys.
@@SailorMaxie thought so
@@SailorMaxie Yeah. After all, it was the 80s back when animated cartoons are one huge commercial for toy lines, especially for Transformers, MLP, or He-Man.
God I STILL love that movie, and the sequel. I rewatched them like a year ago and man, they still hold up. The music especially is SO good.
it's so interesting how many "flops" still became classics. i grew up loving fantasia and treasure planet
Alice for me
I loved phantasa I would fall asleep to it and it holds a special place in my childhood plus Robin hood to
Heh I Know Right😂😂😂?"
we still have Fantasia 2000 on VHS somewhere, and rented out Atlantis every month for years from the local library because it was - and still is - my favourite
sadly I watched Treasure Planet just a couple years ago for the first time, I probably would've loved it as a kid, but it's still amazing and I liked it very much and rewatched it since then multiple times
I will die on the hill saying that "Emperor's New Groove" is a highly underrated Disney movie. The movie was funny as hell, especially with a voice cast of David Spade, John Goodman, Eartha Kitt and Patrick Warburton, to name a few.
I quote it to this day. For years, it was the only movie my entire family could agree to watch together.
Damn right. It's such a simple yet comedically rich story with how stupid and nonsensical it can get. Kronk is such a good character, performances for everyone are just the right balance of serious to silly. A top tier comfort movie.
Its development history is interesting (which makes you wonder what could've been), but in the end it became a comedy gold. No regrets.
This fellow fan of that movie approves this comment!
Yep. I’m happy that it’s gained a cult following over the years.
Eartha Kitt is phenomenal in it. Just… purr-fection. (Not sorry.)
Walt Disney: “Stop grumbling and do something about it!”
Narrator: “And so they did something about it.”
Cue Guillotine.
Read this in the arrested development narrator voice
To this day I’m still pretty pissed at Disney for essentially putting Treasure planet in a place where it had no chance to do well, practically robing it of its potential.
and the fact they basically did the exact same shit with strange world for an even scummier reason
Like nintendo with every chibi robo sequal/spinoff in america
@@toastwings9358 sad how history repeats itself.
@@thefloppdontstop4405 It's not just Chibi Robo, Nintendo refuses to take Skip seriously compared to other developers like Retro Studios and Intelligent Systems.
We could have had a sequel with WILLEM DEFOE
*immense sobbing*
The biggest moral point of "Meet the Robinsons" is *Learn from your mistakes* . Be grateful for them, embrace them. They are the greatest teachers. The only thing you should fear is hopelessness and bitterness.
That's loser talk.
That’s my favourite Disney movie ever
Yeah, there seemed to be a clear element of "If you change the past, you may not have grown up to be the same person you ultimately ended up being". Though in Goob's case that was preferred as he felt ostracized to the point of being the villain (or believed he was), the main character meeting his own mother would completely alter the course of his future in a way that probably would've hurt his development. Ergo, she probably gave him up because she knew it was the best chance he had at a future. Tragic but kind of a "best if I never knew the truth."
Atlantis & Emperors New Groove is by the far the most underrated excellent films of Disney, they're both so fantastic in their own ways!
I'd like to add Treasure Planet to this list.
Emperor's New Groove is so funny and ultimately so sweet and positive. I remember the first time I watched it, my mom said she was so happy to see a family in a Disney movie where the mom isn't dead, LOL.
But they really mismanaged the sequels. Kronk at least was able to recover over time, but Milo's Return, yeesh, that really was made as a tv show rather than a movie.
@@JamesTDG Milo's Return was a pretty decent movie, if you ask me. Not as good as the first, but the world-building was neat.
I agree, Emperors New Groove is literally timeless
''Chicken Little managed to reverse the recent slump despite being fucking awful''
That is indeed a hurtle to overcome.
*hurdle
I remember seeing Rescuers Down Under on the big screen as a kid and being blown away at the flying scenes and landscapes. And Joanna the Goana is a hugely underrated Disney villain sidekick.
She's the best!! The egg scene is comedy gold.
I had the book for that movie as a kid and it was one of my favourites
Rescuers Down Under was one of my favorite movies to rent at the video store as a kid! So good.
That scene was amazing in the cinema
I can’t think of this movie without thinking about that one flying scene where there near a building and one of the buildings is a playboy magazine picture
Here is the thing I find most astonishing. As an adult, to go back and watch any of these “b” Disney films, they are all unique pieces of art in their own way. It always shocked me that Alice, 101 Dalmatians, and sleeping beauty were considered less desirable than the others
Sleeping beauty is my favorite Disney movie
I always felt like there's more of a "reason" why a lot of really good movies "Flopped" while some of the "best" movies generally aren't as impressive as everyone wants to say. In a sense, you have to consider the source of the reviews and the times and conditions. A lot of people, especially in the past century simply didn't have a voice to share what they thought of the movie, only maybe select individuals, usually cynics who looked more at the numbers and likely localized numbers too. (it's like if you ask 50 random people what they think of a new drink and most of them happen to not like citrus as they're older and dislike sourness, then assuming that NO one would like Orange juice, arguably one of the most successful drinks in the world that isn't soda).
Where Disney has thier thumb in the wrong hole is making the wrong assumptions about their failures, and not reviewing from a more personal perspective what makes a movie good or not. I do get that it costs a fortune to make passion projects though, but it'll forever bug me how people keep saying "The Iron giant was a failure" despite being such a fantastic movie, while Frozen has literally been shoved in our faces for the past decade now despite being...okay. I mean Let it Go is really good, but gosh the plot isn't making me watch the movie 100 times like I would Lion King or Finding Nemo.
Really it's ultimately more like the success or failure of the movies is based on the opinions of cynical critics looking for something particular to their tastes and instead of Disney budgetting to market to the niche audiences to see a ton of little successes, they keep acting like everything needs to be an "Appeal to everyone, but mostly the cynical share holders and then BUY our attention" and you end up with shows that seem like they're supposed to appeal to a certain audience completely missing the mark cause the heart just isn't there.
I love how, unlike with other studios, a Disney movie bombing at the box office isn't necessarily a death sentence for it.
Indeed. They can still get remakes, sequels and/or animated series.
@@Alejandroigarabide And Disney rides and attractions, don't forget!
@@googamp32 plus they probably rake in quite a bit from international theaters, with or without China.
@@googamp32 Good point.
@@googamp32 Let's not forget toys and other merchandises too.
Rescuers Down Under is actually amazing - the animation is breathtaking, and that first flight scene honestly brings a tear to my eye to this day.
It's also one of ths few times a Disney sequel was arguably a huge step up from the original.
Yeah, we had it on tape (a Christmas present from my grandmother) and I loved it. I was actually surprised when I learned that it was considered a flop.
Fun fact: Bambi was supposed to be the next Disney film after Snow White, not Pinocchio. Pinocchio was mostly a small knit group of Disney animators as the majority of the company was moved onto the 2 more ambitious projects. But Fantasia kept spiralling in size and was such a massive undertaking/money sink that they were forced to rush out Pinocchio.
Also another fun fact: Walt Disney’s father was a Pre WW1 Communist and Disney literally learned to draw by tracing his fathers Communist political pamphlets. That makes the animators strikes in the 40s and Walts strong response to them really ironic!
I imagine someone growing up with a Marxist parent could easily be anti-communist. Marxist’s aren’t good people. They’re always narcissists who think that if they were the king of the world everything would be a utopia.
What is marxism
@@mysticalkeyblade759 The expanded beliefs espoused by the unemployed rantings of the parasite known as Karl Marx. It’s espouses that capitalism is the root cause of suffering and that everyone is exploited and everyone should be constantly aware of their social class. And some bullshit about how workers should own the means of production even though they are unwilling to invest in creating the means of production.
@@mysticalkeyblade759 What is marxism?
@@mysticalkeyblade759 cringe
I will not rest until the whole world know’s how amazing Treasure Planet is.
Same. And especially Disney themselves.
Treasure Planet will always have a special place in my heart. It's one of the earliest memories I have of seeing a movie in theaters and it was probably the catalyst for my love of Sci fi and pirates
My best friend & I absolutely love Treasure Planet. I also watched it in theaters. December 2002 during a trip in mexico.
I remember working at Hallmark back in the day, and they suddenly decided they were going to sell DVDs. (Not Hallmark movie dvds, for some weird reason, but I think it was specifically Disney.)
Treasure Planet was the first one they put out, and I’d never heard of it and assumed it was a straight to video release. I don’t think I’d seen a single poster, trailer, anything for it.
I’m still sort of surprised that this and Atlantis managed to gain such followings when it feels like Disney sent these off to die.
Yes, I also watched it at the cinema in London as a kid.
Fun fact about Oswald: the only reason he came back to Disney was a trade for Al Michaels from ESPN to NBC for football games
The thing about Strange world is the marketing wasn't just bad, it was nonexistent. My whole friend group was planning to go watch it in theatre and we didn't know it came out. We thought it wasn't out and we waited for trailers just assuming because we saw absolutely nothing that nothing new had happened with it, no new information and no release date. Then we saw it on Disney Plus! Like wtf, why wasn't marketed at all.
Yea i do not agree I've seen posters and ads
I don't think they even initially revealed it at a D23 or Comic Con or anything like that, they just randomly dropped a teaser on twitter a couple months prior to release and that was it
@@whatamidoing3065Where? I did not know it was even a movie until it was already out. Genuinely. Where did you find commercials for it without trying to?
@@eudstersgamersquad6738 i saw some on RUclips and on the streets like bus station
@@whatamidoing3065 Interesting. Probably depends on where you live if you actually got advertisements for it or not would be my best guess.
The end of this video is my absolute favorite, but also the saddest, thing about this whole video. I desperately wish modern Disney just wasn’t as afraid of failure as they seem to be. Everything feels the way it does now because they’re terrified to push the envelope and lose money. The company is just so large now with so many assets, and everything is more expensive to make than ever before. But pushing the envelope and boundaries is what resonates with so many of us still to this day. It’s truly where the magic came from. And it’s just mind boggling to me that that fact takes a back seat because, at the end of the day, it’s “just business”.
Times have changed... back then, to make an animation like that took a huge stack of paper, an expensive camera, and a lot of time and commitment. Now, many people can make animations like this in thier bedrooms if they really wanted to using maybe $1000 technology at most (our own smart phones or tablets). and the only reason why it's "just business" mentality is because many people are deluded into believing the world owes them money for making their dream projects, but feel they need to be paid just to even come up with them in the first place. and any attempts to make animation cheaper and easier for the masses as well as more accessible is met with a ton of slander from people who usually have nothing to do with the business. (see everyone still insisting that AI is "Theft" and shutting down anyone that uses it, as if we should be paying people an extra $4000 to hand paint every tree leaf, or as if modern artists aren't using AI in tools like photoshop to make simple geometric characters with no sense of detail and callling that "human made art"). But at least we can make great shows on our own without investing as the only thing that really needs to be paid for lately is people to do it for us. The tech and apps and hardware and publishing is again... $1000 at most and that's the cost of a modern smart phone or tablet.
A factor that needs to be mentioned is budget. Disney keeps putting over 100 million into everything which causes bigger expectations. DreamWorks went through the same thing and the big costs meant possible hits were seen as flops because the income didn't match the big costs. But recently DreamWorks has scaled down their budgets with the animation being more stylized and even Croods 2 kept the same look on a smaller budget.
Their 2022 movies were seen as big hits mostly because it was easier to top the lower budgets, at least lower by Hollywood standards. I get some movies need big budgets but not everything does so that's something Disney should keep in mind for the future. As well as putting less stock in streaming to make up for theatrical losses.
Hard agree! Completely different genre, but I look at a production company like Blumhouse as one of the pinnacles of success. They made Happy Death Day for less than $5M and it made $125M in theaters. Invisible Man was made for $7M and made $144M in the beginning of the pandemic, when theaters were very rapidly closing.
Even Spider-Verse only had a $90 million budget! And it’s considered one of the best, if not the best animated film of all time!
Puss in Boots II costed $90 Million, and it had made three times that in the theatres. I think that Bad Guys had a similar budget with a decent ROI.
And Disney is fatiguing the audience pool through owning so many franchises, and pumping out substandard titles annually.
The games industry needs to learn this lesson, too!
Came here to say that The Rescuers Down Under was one of the only movies from my childhood that felt just as good upon rewatching as it did the first time. Any scene with that eagle is just TOO COOL, in a mature way. The rest of the movie of course holds up too. Probably because it isn't particularly fantasy-centered or childish - and instead focuses on more serious and realistic themes, such as poaching of endangered animals. Also, the boy is in actual mortal danger, with guns and all. I like that.
Don't forget that The Princess and the Frog lost a huge amount in the box office because it opened a week prior to Avatar
And also the first Sherlock Holmes with RDJ.
Ironic, as Avatar is now in Disney +. So Disney now just sees this as an absolute win.
I still have not forgiven Mr. Cameron for making that stupid environmental propaganda film instead of adapting the story by Théophile Gautier.
So does that mean marketing the film costs over twice the budget because that film made almost 3 times the budget yet it lost a huge amount of money?
@@4Corry The budget you see reported doesn't usually factor in marketing and other promotional expenses. It's a general rule in Hollywood that your movie needs to make at least double its budget just to break even.
I hate that The Great Mouse Detective isn't more well-known. It's such a great movie. It has Vincent f---ing Price for god's sake!
The Great Mouse Detective was released on the same date and year as Don Bluth’s An American Tail in which The Great Mouse Detective did not win
As a fan of the Black Cauldron, I have long maintained that 1) the Great Mouse Detective is the start of the Disney Renaissance and 2) we wouldn't have the Disney Renaissance without Black Cauldron
About TGMD, I rewatched it recently and thought it to be pretty meh. Like, especially the villain was without substance.
I couldn't agree more on both points.
@@DogDogGodFog to be fair to the TGMD they leaned on the hope that you understand that Basil is just mouse Sherlock Holmes and Rattigan is rat Moriarty and it worked.
@@98Rhiannon I know that it's Sherlock Holmes, I'm not stupid. I just meant to say that it's a pretty meh adaptation of it. I saw miles better ones.
You forgot Oliver and Company. Though not great critically, it did beat Land before Time at the box office and gave Disney its mojo back.
This is honestly a really good message about how failures should make you stronger instead of weaker, put in a great way as well. Some box office bombs have become cold classics whilst others have been renowned as underrated masterpieces.
An interesting thing/coincidence I'd like to point is that most of the biggest successes Walt Disney Animation had in the late-90s/early-2000s (Mulan, Tarzan, Lilo and Stitch, Brother Bear) were largely produced outside of California. Mulan, Lilo and Stitch, and Brother Bear were animated at Walt Disney World in Florida, and much of Tarzan was animated by animators in both France and Florida.
How did Disney repay the staff of these movies? They closed down the Florida animation facility right after Brother Bear released, effectively punishing the staff of their recent financial-successes for box office flops they had little involvement in.
What the actual fck
Always like the fact that The Lion King was Disney's B-movie while they expected Pocahontas to be the big film.
And what do they have occupying the space of that former Florida animation studio now? Star Wars Launch Bay. Like having that single Star Tours ride at WDW was never enough for them, they had to completely remove an attraction still reminding people of their animated legacy just to fill up the park with even more Star Wars now that they can milk off of the franchise as much as they want.
I had the wonderful experience of visiting WDW back in 1997 and seeing a bit of the Florida studio when it was still active, which was just a year before the release of their first animated feature Mulan, and can still remember seeing some of the animation for the movie being previewed on monitors in the uncolored stages. It's still extremely disheartening for me having to think of the cruel fate that befell the studio after producing a couple of genuinely good Disney movies, but even more so now knowing what kind of inferior attraction Disney now has sitting in its place.
In all fairness, the whole industry was moving out of Florida because the tax breaks weren't quite worth it.
Disney was ahead of his time with a lot of his movies. I remember watching Sleeping Beauty for the first time as a kid in the early 00s and I thought it was a work of art
I’m a 90s kid, grow up watching Aladdin, Hercules and also some Disney classics before my time. Wasn’t until I grow up that I discover that some of my favorite Disney films were considered failures when they were released 😮
This was a great video, I agree that failure can be a better teacher than success.
And I love the pizza box joke 😂
explain the joke?
@@TheThiccestChungus Andrew Tate was arrested thanks to a pizza box
A 90s kid?
DDDDUUUUUUDDDDDDEEEEE
My favs are The Jungle Book and 101
Remember: when a piece of media bombs, it does not make it bad. Coloration does not causation. there are plenty of TV shows and films I love that did not do well, but I feel are underappreciated. It could be bad timing too as you mentioned. WWII, pandemics, not the right time to release. I hear if certain films came out ten years earlier or later, it would have been a hit.
Treasure Planet, Atlantis, The Emperor’s New Groove and Brother Bear are my absolutely favorite Disney classics. They deserved so much more.
I remember Brother Bear got me so emotional and mesmerised as a kid, especially the aurora borealis scenes
Atlantis and emperors new groove made back the budget
Brother Bear kinda poopy ngl homie
@@joshuasgameplays9850 U serious?
@@joshuasgameplays9850 It's the only one of these I hated as a kid lol, some good scenes here and there I legit remember the relationship between the brothers being good but all the humor stuff in the middle lost me.
That ending was so touching, it's so true, I failed 4 times in college before I found the career that really made me happy. Failure is not the end, it's the beginning, thanks for that, Eddache.
I grew up watching Rescuers, and it meant so much to me. When I watched it again after about 9 years from the last time, I cried because of pure nostalgia. I will always praise that movie. It is gorgeous
As for me I only saw Down Under several times, but I've never seen the original, lol
@@DogDogGodFog Down Under gets way more love. I'm not sure why. I prefer the original. It's darker though, that's for sure. That might be part of the problem.
I love the Rescuers Down Under. The weirdest part is how the movie ends abruptly with so many lose threads. Wilbur isn't reunited with the cast. The captive animals are forgotten about. It feels like it got cut down after storyboards were done but before animation was completed.
Its funny cause I loved the black cauldron as a kid, I remember watching it before going out of dinner on birthday. My dad named our lizard after Johana from the rescuers
Something worth noting about that music cue from Dinosaur getting reused again and again, even by other studios: that's not the first time that's happened. On several Disney DVD releases, the disc opens with a brief montage of clips beginning with Jack Sparrow speaking the line "We have our heading," then Peter Pan announcing "Here we go!" This is then followed by a portion of the opening title music from Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (which was itself used as part of that movie's production company for many years in the 90s).
21:46 Ok, I just rewatched the movie and let me just say this. I know that some of the stuff in Meet the Robinsons isn’t that good, but it is still a great movie. With interesting ideas and characters like Lewis and Wilbur, an amazing score with the help of Danny Elfman, and a great message that pushed even me to “Keep Moving Forward.” Also, Bowler Hat Guy is a funny and great villain (he’s basically a mix of Doofensmirtz and Waluigi). It definitely deserves more love and attention
I grew up watching Disney vhs as a kid. Throughout the 90s, old Disney movies made me want to be a writer as I want to make my own amazing stories like the ones I watched as a kid. This video really takes me back. Good job, Edd
Disney movies always made me want to be a writer too. :)
Can I just appreaciate you dedicated a moment to discussing a score by James Newton Howard, a very underrated composer in the industry. Respect and yes, that score is beautiful.
Both an interesting video and an emotional rollercoster!
The end segment about failure being a part of success got me surprisingly emotional 😅
Great video Eddie!
25:00 You probably aren't seeing it, but I am flipping the bird at my screen right now. God I hate people who think "AnImAtIoN iS FoR KiDs!"
Giving Dinosaur some additional points, along with the Journey of the Egg, that incredible meteor sequence in permanently burnt into my childhood memories.
Also Atlantis is amazing with diverse characters and beautiful visuals.
Atlantis is one of my favorite animated movies ever. Milo and Kida are probably my favorite Disney couple, the action scenes are truly thrilling, and there's an important message about respecting other cultures instead of trying to capitalize off of them.
Disney's The Wild is the least Disney Disney film Disney ever Disney'd
I remember uh......um.....uuuuh....a koala, and I think, a Python choked a Giraffe
It’s because it wasn’t made by Disney directly but Disney just bought the rights and released it.
Oliver and Company is another one, it's like they saw Ralph Bakshi Movies and though, "Man NYC would make a great sitting for our next film but keep it G, we got a name to keep"
I think Strange World and Encanto are both proof that streaming is the way to go. Both weren’t large successes but huge on Disney+. Not to say don’t release movies in theaters, but some movies are gonna be more successful online.
It helps that for parents a Disney+ day one release is a no brainer. Plenty of people are still struggling financially from the fallout of Covid lockdowns, lack of government support and the long term physical problems of having Covid, on top of rampant inflation caused by inept governments raising tax on the lowest earners instead of chasing up the Corporation tax that Amazon, Starbucks and other companies do not pay, ON TOP OF the massive amount of price gouging from energy & fuel companies over the last year since Russia invaded Ukraine & the UK and US Government rubbed their hands together at the thought of selling more weapons to both sides.
Poor or money-concious parents with more than one kid to pay £5+ snacks, drinks, parking, fuel etc for? Sure, 1 movie like a new MCU movie or Universal or Sony animation movie in the cinema every few months, but if it releases on Disney+ day 1, then save the money and they can rewatch it endlessly and you're less often gonna get bombarded by the repetitive "Let it Go" and "How Far I'll Go" sessions
And it also is important to note that "Encanto" still was at the top at the box office and became the second most profitable animated movie of that year.
But it would also have made more money if it hadn’t gotten a shorter theatrical run than what many earlier Disney movies did due to the pandemic.
Then it became a huge hit when it was made avaible for streaming and won the Best Animated Feature Oscar and had a number 1 single and won a Grammy.
"Sing 2" is heralded as the bigger hit by some Disney haters, but they don't want to see that box office results isn't the only measure of success especially during a pandemic.
Besides, people talk so much more about "Encanto" than about "Sing 2", that I must say that in the end, it is clear which movie made the biggest impression on the public...
Unfortunately, there are not many people who can manage to make animated history exciting. But Eddie Bowley has definitely cracked the code. Well done!
Eh, Yesterworld Entertainment's better.
Treasure planet is one of, if not my undisputed, favourite movie. The setting, the glisten in my eye, the tears. Just everything about it is amazing
Honestly so did I. Heck I loved the Care Bears period as a kid. I had no idea the first movie beat the black cauldron at the box office!
Walt Disney was a very difficult man to work with, he was always looking for perfection but you can't deny how inspiring his journey was. He was abused as a kid, betrayed by his animators in the early days, called insane when released snow white, seeing his passion project fantasia bombed and yet he never gave up. For me the company is WALT Disney animation studios and i'll always look him as an inspiration (in the animation/artistic department of course not in his personal life stuff, he was a man of his time)
I literally just discovered & subscribed to your channel less than 10 minutes ago & was just thinking to myself:
"Man, his last video was 2 months ago. Hope it doesn't take him that long to upload a new one. "
...and here we are.
The Rescuers Down Under was one of my favorite movies as a kid. Cartoons about talking mice being tiny in general were always among my favorites, actually.
My favorite part of Eddache videos is they go places I didn't expect, and make my think things I didn't consider. Well done Eddie
Treasure planet is honestly one of my favourite movies I've watched it countless times and enjoy each one just as much as the first, it will always hold a special place in my heart
True dat.
Man, Treasure Planet is still one of my favorite movies because of how much I connected with Jim’s want of a father.
Treasure Planet is honestly my favorite disney movie, I honestly don't understand why it was a flop.
This is gonna be a weird connection but bear with me.
So I've always been strangely drawn to The Black Cauldron. Something about it just ticks all the right boxes for me. I was 4 when it was released and I didn't see it till I was a teen so I don't know where the fascination came from. I had no idea there was a book. There's actually 5 books and Black Cauldron is the 2nd in the anthology called The Chronicles of Prydain. In them is a character named Prince Gwydion. Gwydion is a name from Welsh mythology who was a hero, magician and trickster.
There was a Sierra game I played as a kid called King's Quest and the third game in the series had you play as a boy named Gwydion. Gwydion in the game has to learn magic to trick his master and escape and he learns he is actually Prince Alexander of Daventry. The author of The Black Cauldron and The Chronicles of Prydain is Llyod Alexander.
Sierra also made the Black Cauldron game.
I loved the King’s Quest games! I also read the Black Cauldron books years ago end wished someone would make a live-action movie
Sierra was my childhood. I grew up with the King's Quest and Quest for Glory games. We had the Black Cauldron video game as well (played that years before I actually saw the movie) and the midi version of the theme song to that game will be burned into my brain until the day I die.
"Go woke, go broke" is obviously little more than a thinly veiled right-wing slogan meant to discourage a particular kind of narrative from being made. But with that said, as a historian of culture I do find it interested to analyze the implications of it. Disney is an interesting example. If we go back just 15-20 years, Disney wasn't targeting a particular demographic as strongly as they do nowadays. Before then, and especially before the internet of the 2010's allowed for easier political organization and socialization among minorities, Disney's works tended to range between fairly safe and straightforward or explicitly conservative. Nowadays, they're clearly aiming for a more a more left-leaning audience. But with the internet of the 2010's came the extreme political polarization that we're seeing today. The ease of organizing offered many a voice they simply didn't have before, and now those people are speaking up in a big way, challenging the norms and conventions that classic Disney media wrote itself into. But this is also an era of extreme consumption; and extreme political consumption at that. And when a movie doesn't do well at the box office because it has some overtly politicized themes in it (not that it's necessarily political in nature, but that it becomes politicized by the polarization phenomenon), I'm convinced that political consumption definitely has a part to play in the results. We're at a point were simply consuming a particular message, whether you end up agreeing with it or not, is often regarded as implicit, if not explicit support. It's probably not entirely unfair to suggest that a lot of right-wing political consumers are worried that simply watching a particular movie somehow compromises their political position and makes them "complicit" in a crisis of their own imagining, and hence they refuse to go, leading to less impressive box office numbers than one might have expected in the past. I say that, because if we assume that to be true, it's hardly a surprise that properties which feature politicized topics that might challenge conservatives appear to do worse, although hardly as badly as is suggested by these same people.
That being said, some marketing is also overtly political in its messaging, which will definitely turn away the opposition, while also possibly alienating politically aligned consumers who don't regard their media consumption as necessarily being a form of political activism. That is to say that even if you are politically aligned with a piece of media in theory, you might be looking for escapism that doesn't overtly reference this alignment rather than something that's going to engage you politically as you watch. In other words; everyone needs a break every now and then. And that's to say nothing of people who might simply not want to watch something because they expect their values to be so perfectly aligned with what the product has to offer that they regard the whole thing as predictable and hence not worth watching.
Often there isn't much correlation between critical and commercial success, but it seems to hold up pretty well here. All of the Disney movies that are acclaimed as truly great movies - The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast etc - those made absolute bank.
(Except Fantasia, though I've always felt there's a lot of emperor's new clothes going on when people discuss that movie, like because it's artsy you look smart for praising it, so everyone praises it without even necessarily watching it first.)
The best part was the reference to Walking with Dinosaurs! That show was my entire childhood! I still have my old videotapes in my room, together with Walking with Beasts, god.. The nostalgia
I always loved Treasure Planet (the same time with Titan A.E) I love the mix of the traditional and 3D
We as viewers are a fickle bunch. We want to see something new and novel, at the same time familiar and comforting. Many of these failures were because Disney either didn't make it new and different enough or it wasn't a lot like it's previous classics. The amount of time it takes to make a movie, often people views and preferences may have changed in that time frame.
Treasure Planet is one of my favourite movies of all time. It’s sad to hear it didn’t succeed, it was amazing.
Amazing movie can be box office flop... The opposite can be true, terrible movie, can be box office hit, just look at transformers, twilight and the Last Jedi
1:07 Mussolini tried to make a full length Pinocchio movie
He didn't give the animators enough money, so it was cancelled. This was in 1937
I'm not a big fan of "woke" movies or anything, but for FUCK SAKE, a gay character being in a movie is NOT woke. Gay people FUCKING EXIST, how is their EXISTENCE being accurately represented in media going woke? It pissed me off when people said Lightyear was woke because "oh no, there's a lesbian character in it...oh NOES!" Like...did you actually WATCH the movie? Her inclusion is so natural in the movie, almost like they're treating her like an actual real person, and not just a wokeism. They treated her just like they would have treated a straight character, like a normal person. That's not being woke.
If there's anything history has taught us, it's that for every new Disney low, there's always a new Disney high in the horizon.
Could Disney have not marketed Strange World properly because of ties to other countries with anti gay laws and sentiments? If it flops, it gives Disney and excuse to say that including more diverse characters doesn't pay.... A perverse way of them justifying being able to make content for those territories.
Strange World really wasn't even given a chance. It wasn't hyped or advertised nearly like Disney usually does. :/
Lightyear hurt Strange World.
@@nicholasdruce5346 That's true. I never even thought about lightyear coming out.
The argument isn’t that strange world flopped because there was a gay character, the argument is that is wasn’t marketed because there was a gay character
Pinocchio will always be my favourite Disney classic of all time and that's never going to change.
I'm gonna be honest. I kinda didn't even know that strange world existed until I started hearing right wing weirdos saying "DISNEY'S GONE WOKE". In my opinion right wing culture warriors hating on the movie did a better job marketing it than Disney themselves.
"There were 3 instead of seven. No Dopey and that's bad"
Twitter brain indeed existed in the old days.
my family had rescuers down under and I remember quite liking it, weird being reminded that it was a flop, same with Dinosaurs, heck when he was younger it was my brothers favorite movie. also I'm with Ilovekimpossiblealot, Treasure Planet was incredible
Atlantis and Treasure Planet are my favorite Disney movies, Black Cauldron is severely underrated, and Rescuers Downunder is Disney's most gorgeous and visually spectacular film.
I definitely agree with you on treasure planet, love that movie. However, I never cared for Atlantis though, I don’t hate it per se but it could’ve been a lot better.
@@maxpowell3275 Specifically, I love the Finnish dub of it. It has an energy to match the animation and characters that the English one lacks. If you look up clips here on RUclips, you'll see what I mean. Like this one: ruclips.net/video/XQu2H4WMZUw/видео.html
@@SchazmenRassir Yeah, it does fit better
It’s a shame that such good and needed queer representation finally existed in an animated Disney film, but the representation was attached to a very mediocre film and the marketing for said film was absolutely terrible. It felt like Disney was ashamed to even release it, and I don’t know if it was because the film was bad, the company is run by homophobes, or all of the above…
despite being a 90's kid i have seen most of those flops(on VHS) as a kid with the Emperor new groove as my favourite.
That I am a huge Disney and animation fan and I have not even heard of Strange World is pretty ridiculous.
And I'll be the millionth person to say that Treasure Planet is entirely underrated.
All of these "floops" from the 90s and 2000s are some of my favorites
Wow. History does repeat itself. Negligence in the workplace, financial struggle, the center of issues from the public which some for the wrong reason, and events for the time that change us audience. But in the end, there will be an audience for films that have bombed or merely forgotten that deserve to be talked about.
I teared up at the last part. My life is so hard right now. Didn't expect that from a Disney animation video. Thank you, youtuber
Treasure Planet didn't fail because people were tired of 2D animation, the west was tired of DISNEY 2D animation and disney-fied stories and Shrek just added further light to the problem. There's a contempt many have for animation even now, despite the medium having the guts and ability to tell stories and use subject matter no other style will touch.
Treasure planet is such a tragedy, it is one of my favourite movies of all time
To be fair about Strange World, having an openly gay character will hurt its international standing since the majority of countries don't support it. And it’s different because it’s actually shown in multiple scenes and is somewhat important in the story compared to other gay characters. Obviously that's a bad thing, but China, Russia, and Islamic countries aren't going to be huge on that or anything
Also The Emperor's New Groove is Disney's most underrated movie FIGHT ME! "BOO YEAH BABY!'
Strange World would have done better with more confident marketing. Or, indeed, some.
3:11 In the immortal words of Yzma, “Smash it with a hammer!”
Treasure planet, Atlantis, Emperors New Groove are all childhood classics for me
I’m so happy to finally hear someone mention how incredible the Dinosaur Main Theme. It is just full of this boundless optimism and love of life, it moves me to tears. Too bad it got buried in a forgotten Disney film, but no wonder it was used as stock music for film trailers.
The real gut punch is that no, a gay character in Strange World didn’t make it fail…but that’ll be where blame is placed and becomes Disney’s perfect excuse to never feature prominent gay characters again. That’s always how it goes.
The pizza box quip alone is a 10/10 😂
I don't get it
@@CodenameBolts Andrew Tate joke. It's a joke that'll age like milk in a few months.
@@rommix0 oh that guy sucks
@@CodenameBolts indeed. Anyone who's a trafficker shall go to hell.
Meet the Robinsons was 100% a massive part of my childhood, so I'm really happy to see Eddie giving it some good attention!!
Honestly I absolutely love Black Cauldron. It's one of my favorites.
Sleeping Beauty IS too much like Snow White, a pale imitation of a much better work. I very much agree with the critics.
Me personally, I'm actually getting pretty tired of cg animations. It feels more lacking now. I personally much prefer 2d. As well as the blend of both in projects like Spiderverse, which is also a style in other projects like Arcane, Entergalactic, and the next TMNT film. As well as Puss In Boots the last wish.
This video just made me realize how realistic a portrayal of a megalomaniacal millionaire Cave Johnson was, the more I listen to how Walt Disney spoke and dealt with things. It's only a slight exaggeration of his personality.
I still think his bad parts are over exaggerated nowadays.
18:17 NGL, I LOVED Atlantis and Treasure Planet, those were the highest peaks that disney ever had when merging 2D and 3D, after Treasure Planet, nothing was the same, in a bad way...
I recognized two furry things in this video that there's a first fursuiter "Hilda the Bamboid" and I recognized one fursuiter at the rally before the parade.
I watched Strange World on Disney plus. I liked it, it was nothing groundbreaking or really blew me away but was a perfectly enjoyable watch.
In the future, since the 2030s,
We hope these new movies.
We saw that non-Disney cartoons series truly look like and fit to Walt Disney animation.
So, our favorable Non-Disney cartoons series should be produced by Walt Disney Animation Studio.
These new outer-media remake (3D) Animation movies surely have many sequels.
The (3D) movies' title is ......
'Astro Boy / Iron Arm / Astro Boy V / Iron Arm V'
whose original designer was Osamu Tezuka.
* The letter 'V' means 'victory'.
Main Protagonist Concept
• Name : Astro Boy / Astro / Adam [America, Europe, Oceania] / Atom [Asia, Middle East] / Adam Astrobot / Atom Astrobot / Adam The Astro Boy / Atom The Astro Boy
• Species : The male teenage robot with human souls+minds and 100,000 horsepowers
• Age : 15~16
• Nationality : perhaps South Korean+Japanese American
Background :
Metropolis of Shin York / Ship York / New Yoku
* Shin York = New Yoku = New York + An East Asian City.
* Shin [KOR🇰🇷/JPN🇯🇵] means New [ENG🇺🇸].
* Yoku [JPN🇯🇵] means York [ENG🇺🇸]
* This is perhaps located in the same country with 'San Fransokyo' from Disney 'Big Hero 6' Series, so there will add cameos from 'Big Hero 6' Series.
many shows have gone woke and nor broke Disney just doesn't know how to do this
As long as Disney insist on trying to appeal to everyone, no matter the cost, there is always going to be something holding it back, whether it's canning a successful show because it's showing "content" that's getting too hard to edit out they don't want to get controversial for on mid-western families or just giving lip-service to queer representation as a boon for here in America, but easy to cut out everywhere else without affecting the film, if need be.
A majority of the "bombs" from this list are the Disney I enjoyed growing up, far more than the "Lion King"s... but what the hell is Strange World?
Even though I thought Lilo and stitch was the only sci fi animated to hit at the box office and was received well from critics and has a lot positive reviews
It's strange to me that strange world is considered a flop, i had seen literally no marketing for it, not even a poster or the name of the film, until it hit disney plus. I didn't even know it had come out in cinemas for a couple of weeks first until a few weeks after. I wouldn't consider that any fault of the movie, especially since it's great!