Why you SHOULDN’T go to graduate school!
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Graduate school seems to be the new bachelors degree, for many college degrees it's now the standard if you want to be able to get a decent job after graduating from college. For many bachelor degrees it's nearly impossible to get a job and it used to be that getting a masters or a doctorate was an OPTION if you wanted to further your education or make more money, but now many students are getting funneled into graduate school which of course makes the colleges and student loan companies much... MUCH... more money. Doctorate degrees and masters degrees have become a HUGE business. There are many videos out there about why you SHOULD go to graduate school, and that can be a good option for some people, but here's one telling you why you shouldn't.
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That moment when looking into higher education is a gamble instead of an investment- welcome to America!
Sad fact
The Baby Boomers did this. Go ask all these Boomers how long it took to pay off their loans.
I wish people knew that fact sooner.
@@del5582 Exactly.
@@del5582more like AA and so many people underachieving to degrees.
Got my bachelors in psychology, I have a career thank God but it has nothing to do with psychology. In the interview they said “Psychology? You must be good with people.” And I was like “Yeah, yeah Absolutely, please think that.”
Oh really? I have a bachelors in Psychology. May I ask about how you got a career without a masters?
Baby bloo,
The odds are you are not going to get a job in the psychology field add minors/certificates in business, technology, and/or math related courses. This can be a talking point on your resume. Many IT companies and HR departments take liberal arts graduates. Also, internships and relevant work experience can help too. Also, be aggressive about your job search and apply out of state as well. This can help you get a job.
@@Silly1336 Government, they don’t care what your degree is in.
@@pranavpillai7778 that’s good advice thank you! I found a starting job as a receptionist and then they said they are gonna move me up to HR if they like how I work. Strange
@@tredegar4163 ah government. Do you enjoy it? I don’t have experience but I feel like that would be an annoying job.
pro-tip since I'm a mechanical engineer with a master's degree: go wherever is cheapest so long as it's accredited. i don't care if you get into every ivy league. are they cheaper than your state school? or will somewhere else give you a full ride? go there. companies don't care. if you want to get noticed, then join clubs, societies, work on projects, focus on your grades, and make sure to get internships. that will stand out way more.
don't get a graduate degree if you can't immediately pay for it. between internships, assistantships, and a job in my undergraduate, plus working extra to graduate in 3.5 years not 4, so that i could be done with my both my masters and undergrad degree in 5, I have NO debt. also don't plan on getting a masters immediately. you shouldn't be a freshman thinking "i'm going to get my masters". I didn't decide until the very last minute, after spending ages scoping out the job market between projects and internships. For me, that 1.5 extra years of school for a guaranteed $15k pay increase, which was greater than the tuition price for those 1.5 years, pays off. If you're going to pay $75k for a degree with no way to immediately pay it off for a $15k pay increase, then maybe you should start questioning that decision.
if you're set on getting a masters for professional development but you do not have the ability to pay as you go, work through the job market and find companies which will pay for those programs for you (because many will).
consider why you're getting a graduate degree. in engineering, a masters will get you a massive pay boost. a phd will not net much more over that, at least in the commercial industry. if you have a very specific interest, and you want to work in a national lab for example, then a PhD will be worth it. Otherwise, save the cash, and stick with the masters.
thanks kind sir
Nice comment. Thanks for leaving that here
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For the "massive pay boost" would an electrical engineer need a masters in engineering or would an MBA work as well? No money would be borrowed.
One of the realest RUclipsrs out there. You actually helped me dodge a bullet when it came to picking a major. I originally majored in Psych, but after looking at the poor statistics, I decided to choose Computer Science because of my interest in computers. Thanks!
Solid! Thanks for watching E Man
why do u choose psych first if u are interested in computers?
Teleko Admasu Because I kept trying to tell myself not to major in it because I got low grades in my math courses. I originally picked Psychology because I wanted to graduate with an easy degree. However, there are so many people that go for Psych degrees at my school to the point that they are struggling to find jobs unless they go into the medical field or get a Masters/PhD. I decided to major in Computer Science and retake my math courses.
@@Libertycity56 Hi! We're on the same boat. I am not very good with the natural sciences at high school and so I always consider something else. However, after diving into the job prospect and work environment in my first choice, I decided to go with computer science instead. CS is not terribly hard unless you went for paths that go hardcore on maths (Cryptography, machine learning,...). At the end of the day, it all went down to whether you put the work into it, and whether you like to learn new stuff.
he’s an idiot. i have a bachelors in psych, a masters in special ed and i’m in a ABA cert program to become a BCBA. BCBAs can make 6 figures and open up their own practice. Psych can be used in various fields. Again, don’t listen to this idiot he knows nothing
Sorry I don't sugar coat the truth.. Now all I ask in return is you tap the like button, Thank you! 😁
Edit: Many PhD programs are fully funded. NCES shows that the average PhD graduated with around $100k in debt, a lot of this debt is from undergraduate loans + interest. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_tub.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjc873R2bXrAhULu54KHdqEBksQFjADegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw1PzXKxP41IG4mdjQ8TFgcV
It is too bad high school graduates will graduate knowing only the organelles of cells and factoring polynomials but not knowing how to do taxes, budget, etc.
Thanks for watching Evan
Evan B. yep but self advocacy for learning these things by ourselves increases our mental malleability. I do agree though, the educational system in this country is severely lacking, somewhere in the 25th ranking because of the hyper capitalistic nature of the country. It’s never really about education, it’s just profiting and exploitation, from Collegeboard to unnecessary endowments at colleges.
To me grad school is a waste of time and not worth it because in the end those advanced degrees are not going to help people find a job. Furthermore, it can sometimes go on for a very long time because the dissertations are a lot of work and effort for nothing. Many people do not even want to attempt a Master's or PhD because these degrees are too difficult. In the end, most people end up failing their Master's or PhD or just dropping out because they find what they are doing for their dissertation is not interesting.
In the 90's you could just graduate with a high school diploma and get a accounting job however in the 2010's degrees were the new hot thing and now we're moving up the chain
Right
How could you get an accounting job without a degree back then? Do they train you on the job?
@@AQuestioner You do things like apprenticeships
damn no way
In the 90’s you couldn’t become an account unless you had a degree Lmao
How about you get Experience, a Bachelor, more experience...more experience AND then a Master's while getting more experience?
The mistake a lot of younger folks today make is the fact that they think getting a Grad degree right after a bachelor would get them somewhere...that's not how that works.
Masters exists to compliment what you are already doing. It prepares you to get to the next level in your career, not make your career.
Just saying.
Thanks for your input Christian
That's the plan
Yeah I agree. If you get a bachelors degree that you can actually get a job with then it makes more sense to save up while working that job and then pay for the masters degree without going into massive debt later. And then only if it would really open up some opportunities.
@@ge1574 do employers offer job training for people with bachelor's.
good point but~
What about the poor soul that couldn't get a job
My mom has worked in universities in the US and here in South Africa and she said exactly what you said about getting a masters and a PHD for a degree that isn't in demand.
Thanks for your comment Lulu
You should make a video on PhDs in specifically STEM fields as many of those are either funded by the government or by the school and some actually pay you to cover living costs.
Noted Ryan
Second this- would love to see some more videos about STEM PhDs (especially non medical ones) and when they are worth it.
Thirding this for sure. :D
Did someone call for a fourth?
either way I've arrived
It is true they fund you, but at abysmal rates that barely cover the cost of living and often don't offer benefits. When you're that stressed out, sustained, for like 8 years, medical is a necessity.
Luckily, I dropped out of graduate school, not pursuing a worthless degree that will be hard to find jobs in the field. I made the right choice of dropping out, or else I'll be in 35k debt considered this time be my third semester.
Best of luck Thai
What were you majoring in?
@@AQuestioner it was master of Science in Health. Basically health education.
@@thaivang8726 what are you doing now?
@@compilationgems2237 he’s yet to respond
This video is what needs shown instead of the education they require now to take out a student loan. Great video! I graduated as a nurse debt free and couldn’t be happier about picking a community college. I explain this to all of my younger cousins.
Thanks a lot
nursing has a high burnout rate you might want to mention that!!!! it is super high and not worth the stress, most nurses will change jobs or leave the profession.
In Brazil, graduate courses are free (Both masters and phd). There is also possibility to afford funding to daily expenses. The prices for education in USA are insane.
Thanks for sharing that
The good phd programs are usually funded and free in the USA too. The ones that make you pay are the degree mills that aren’t worth it.
The truth about MBA and engineering grad school
1.If you majored in business,you can't go into engineering grad school
2.If you majored in engineering,you are more likely to get MBA than business majors....
Thanks for sharing your input Ismayil
Not really business is very flexible and very efficient to get job
@@nultyjack8219 Thanks for your comment...I am myself want to get a business major.Because in my home country(engineering is not as good as in USA)so business,law is good choice my country...
@Joe Joseph thank you,what do you thing which one is best for consulting?Finance?
@Joe Joseph thank you very much.
Shane spittin tha truth. My company paying for my grad degree tho
Nice!
What’s the company
Hailey Grace NCR
I’m from the UK, is grad school like when you go get a masters or a PHD?
And do you not go directly to law school, or med school straight from high school in the US?
The only problem with this is that people often like to pretend that there's some alternative. As in, "don't go to grad school! You could be earning money!" But the question is, *how*? If working in a call center for life is acceptable to you, be my guest.
Good point
If you get a 4 year degree in a field that isn't in demand you'll still be in the call center, but with 60k of student loans debt or more
Hm it’s hard to find a job with just a bachelors degree but not impossible. And it doesn’t have to just be in a call center there are lots of jobs recent grads are qualified for. I think if you take the path of building work experience after a bachelors rather than going for masters to help jump start your career it means you just have to be patient with some definitely crappy jobs for a while but build the experience to seem like a reliable employee for future, higher paying jobs. Things just take time unfortunately. I’d rather it take time and get lower wage pay and then after 1-2 years of that get a higher paying job with more responsibility rather than go into debt for 2 years for a masters and then get the higher paying job. I’m not interested in going into debt
Some certificate programs are better than a graduate degree. For example, someone that got a bachelor’s in Accounting would do much better by going for their CPA certification than an MBA. CPA cost a lot less and comes with a lot of upside. Just one example.
That Data is really scary, dont be part of that data about debts. Think wisely people!
Right!!
everyone has debt. school, car, house, credit cards, your own government. everyone has debt
@@michaelmentality Some have much, MUCH more than others.
If you do a PhD in STEM, your tuition is paid, you get a stipend, and health insurance, and you can defer your undergrad student loans so the subsidized ones don't acure interest. If you don't finish, usually you'll have done enough to get a Masters and still won't have paid.
Also you can choose your advisor. You don't have to pay tuition if it was waived, even if you don't finish your degree. I feel like you should have said a lot of what you're saying doesn't apply to STEM PhDs
Exactly! I was looking for this comment.
Stay tuned I might make a video to answer that
Can this be applied for masters in physiotherapy or physician assistant program?
@@allysoncaron8405 Could you explain how they lose 400k+?
@@allysoncaron8405 that depends, currently the job market is bad so staying in school with guaranteed stipend that matches the minimum wage so not that far behind especially with a masters, allowing you to earn some cash and a degree
Also, I think it depends on who you are comparing to as there are people climbing the ladder starting at minimum wage or close to minimum wage
THANK YOU, SHANE. Thank you for working so hard to put out these videos. You always present such solid and useful information!
I have a bachelors in Marketing and I decided to go back to get my masters in either data analytics or management information systems. From the curriculum that I have seen so far, it seems that the skills that you get in grad school are so much more applicable than undergrad. Definitely depends on the major because a masters can be unnecessary in some fields.
Thanks for sharing Franko
Which one did you decide on majoring in? I’m currently in the MIS program and thinking about dropping it and just getting an mba
Really agree with the statement that medical degrees are overrated. My cousin is like 30 years old and she either is still doing her residency or she just started working. I go to a medical magnet high school and I feel like so many people around me are overestimating themselves or underestimating the process
To each their own. When all is said and done, there will still be people applying to colleges and graduate programs. People who think it is a waste of time is simply making space for people who think it is worth it. There will be people who've always wanted a doctorate degree and will work hard to achieve it come hell or high water. There will also be people who prefer to go the other route, skipping the college option and living their best lives. There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so. Good content and breakdown for ONE way of thinking.
It's something I noticed in engineering as well. Someone with a masters does get rewarded for it by starting at the next tier by having their degree recognized as an extra two years of experience. The only problem though is that the person with the bachelors started at least 2 years before the master's degree person did so all the master's degree person did was just "catch up." Although at least in engineering, you won't have any student debt specifically from your graduate degree as most universities have graduate students doing research which pays for the degrees and living expenses.
In Switzerland (and the rest of Europe) you can't do anything with just a bachelor degree
@@lunaelumen6622 Depends on the degree and how many people there are with said degree. You only start needing a masters when the field is overpopulated and you need another line of demarcation to further differentiate candidates from each other.
@@Talishar In Western Europe ? No. You must get a master's degree in order to get a job. You're not considered a graduate if you do not have it.
@@lunaelumen6622 It's still very dependent on where/what the field it is and where you get your degree from. In Western Europe, a Bachelor's is 3 years but in the U.S. it's 4 years. I've known several folks from my bachelor's degree class get engineering jobs in Germany and Netherlands with just their Bachelor's degree.
@@Talishar American bachelor degree then
I’m currently a nurse and my parents are trying to push me to go to NP school even though I’ve only been a nurse for a year. Also I have absolutely no interest in being an NP. The next time they bring up the topic, I’ll show them this video.
Best of luck!
Being an NP is not a great gig in a lot of cases. I was an RN before I went to medical school and one reason I opted for the route I did was because NP job prospects suck (in Canada), the pay is mediocre, and while you're likely doing primary care or in a clinic capacity (e.g. Heart Failure Clinic at a hospital) you're always going to be reminded of the reality that you're not an MD. So definitely don't get pressured into being an NP.
Also, lol @ $1.7 trillion in debt. What a fucked up country the States is.
@@BigMikeMcBastard Why didn't you choose PA?
Thanks Shane you’ve helped me a lot. I’d probably enrolling in a psychology degree right now. Instead I’ve now enrolled into Occupational Therapy! These videos are so helpful
Cheers Jalarn
I'm a psychology undergrad who can pursue OT afterwards If I wanted because OT is a master's level degree (will eventually be a Ph.D level in 2027) that takes any/most undergrad majors, psych being easily accepted. :-) Just showing that one route isn't the ONLY route to your goal!
Woah just when I have my mind set on something, you can always provide the good info to make me think about. I am currently going for a computer engineering degree with a physics minor and thought about a master's in electrical engineering but this info may help me rethink things. Previouly I had even thought about double majoring (I think I commented this previously in another one of your videos), but with these videos, you are really saving me here. Thanks!
You got it! Stay tuned for more videos
I graduated with an MSW on May 5, 2021. I didn’t wanna go to grad school but since I’m in social work I needed a Masters. I knew student loans was messier the undergrad, them grad plus loans is insane. I don’t have any worries in my job salaries, Some agencies has loan forgiveness, and different programs to help pay loans. I wish people the best on the their careers and hopefully find wealth to help pay loans and other cost. Good video.
I didn’t want to believe the student Loan debt until I actually looked it up that right there is Insane
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The best youtube channel imo, just the amount of research and investment of your time to make this video really impresses me.
Thanks wilson
Except virtually no one in a legitimate Ph.D. program pays anything.
Getting a graduate certificate from my state college with company reimbursement that will help me in my current job. Will only cost about $8k. Not committing to the full degree and costs less so this is a nice option to consider.
Nice
man, the thing is, there's a ton of jobs that require a bachelor's in ANYTHING, that you cannot do until you get one. I am at a point where all my friends have degrees, are onto grad school, making at least 25 an hour, and I have no degree and all I can do is work whatever job. If I had finished a bachelor's in LITERALLY anything I would be much better off. My buddy has a bachelor's and psych and she worked for a non profit before getting a master's, and trust me, she's doing better than my permanently injured manual laborer ass.
consider getting an associate degree
I was told that if you ever pay for your graduate degree, then you are doing it wrong. I live by that.
I think this is a great video, but I also think it's very difficult to just lump graduate degrees into one group. All grad degrees were not created equal and I believe it depends on the field. For example, neuroscience is a hot field right now, and every single neuroscience phd program I've seen, waives tuition and fees, pays a stipend, and usually includes perks like medical insurance for every student. No debt involved. Humanities grad students are more likely to go into debt than someone in science (atleast neuroscience, since this is my field.) Also, it takes a lot less longer for science phds to finish (average is 5 years) than humanities.
A second point is that funding, time to degree is highly influenced by the individual, institution, and the person's advisor. For example, Northwestern told me that all grad students have stipends, no tuition, health insurance, bla bla. No matter the field. Even if this isn't the case, I know alot of Humanity's grad students who are fully funded (funding is just more competitive and less common than in the sciences.) Also, generally master's degrees are less funded than phds. So more debt involved.
As you probably know, time to degree is highly dependent on the advisor. Some advisors/thesis committees will hold a student for 7 years, some for 4. It is highly dependent on their satisfaction with a student's performance. In the sciences, I've never heard of a student taking more than 5 years consecutively. 6 years maybe. There are some weird cases like a 5th year student having to start over the research portion of her PhD because of advisor issues. So she found a new advisor. This adds on maybe 2 or 3 more years.
The age at graduation can vary quite a bit also. One does not have to complete a master's degree to go into a phd. And if you did, sometimes it can shave off the coursework portion of your phd. So theoretically, it could take 2 years depending on whether or not your courses will transfer to the new institution. I've seen that happen a lot.
Overall, I'm just trying to say that it is very hard to generalize grad degrees due to field, institution, individual, and advisor differences.
Thanks for an insightful comment
To be honest I feel like doing those entry level jobs and internships is much better than going for a grad degree, experience makes you more marketable
Good luck
Computer science: masters Vs certifications which one? Imo certification is concentrated, skill/practical oriented and you can skill up with time
That might be a good topic.
CERT is more of a "once you're in the job that'll be your training" kind of deals. While you do your undergrad, internships will be your best entry point into getting into those companies to show them what you got.
Masters is more of a "You specialized in this for a couple years and wrote a paper about it, so you've completed the training".
Both will land you in the same position after a matter of 2 years. It'll entirely depend on your taste for industry or academia.
Are you talking about IT certifications? If so that has nothing to do with computer science. Computer Science is a mathematics degree, and at a graduate level you will be doing a lot of theory. Its not even in the same league as an A+ certification.
If you are talking about graduate certifications, or post baccs in CS, those are fine. I've seen people with chemistry degrees do that and be successful.
In my situation I just recently graduated this past July with a MS in information Systems with the concentration in Cybersecurity. I haven't really been hunting for jobs yet because I am also working to complement my advance degree with some certifications. I am kind of like new kid trying to get a new industry for the first time.
I would suggest go for the certifications first because 1) its cheaper than a degree.2) faster to complete it you can complete some in about 2 or three months depending on the certification.. 3) Some employers tend to prefer certification than a degree (Therefore threat them like gold!!!) 4) You can get into the field faster and get experience that can leads you to make more money later on down the road.
If you look for a degree, 1) It really takes TIME, commitment and sacrifice, sometimes longer than 4 years to complete the BS. 2) It is very expensive and can lead you to some debt that likely dinging your own grave 3) Some employers would value a person more with a degree than someone without a degree especially when you look for government positions. 4) it will takes time for your to get into the field due to lack of experience or internship while in school. 5) you have more power or arguments to negotiate a salary and have better job promotions and get raises. 6) it will make you more competitive than someone who does not.
The fact is that the regardless what you do, EXPERIENCE outweighs everything. Get into the field, get the experience, make some money, get some certifications and then get your degree as a long term goal because by the time you complete it then you would be the rockstar. It takes a lot of time, evergy and sacrifice to get a degree. Thats from the academic perspective point of view that I have other than economics of It, I am working on it because I don't have experience all I have is the educational background.
You can earn just as much with either a degree or certification . Just get certified and know what you’re doing lol there’s a RUclips video on this as well . There’s also coding programs and other things you can pay for out of pocket or little schools you can do instead of doing the entire undergrad school . But whichever works with you.
Given the economic situation, I think a lot more students or people deciding if they want to go back to school to get better income like me, I don't want not to get rich but live financially comfortable, online colleges are going to be in greater demand.
If you have bad luck and graduate in a recession, however, sometimes you might not even have a realistic choice.
The issue is going to grad school unfunded. My PhD professor got his doctorate fully funded by being a TA/RA and has emphasized to never pay for grad school if you don't have to.
Right
Laughs in this is why I want to study masters in another country where my tuition fees and two years of living expenses is still cheaper than the total of my bachelor's degree
This was super helpful. I jut graduated and have been getting the urge to go get a master’s degree. I had no idea about a lot of this, thank you!
i want a masters in physics but wow this video opened my eyes a lot
Still do research on your end Jonathan.. Maybe it could work out for you. Good luck!
My parents both have doctoral degrees in Physics and they both make 6 figures. So they're doing pretty great. They are both medical physicists in radiation therapy, if that's something that interests you. It is a very high paying job (not as much as med school, but still a lot) My mom says she definitely did not need all the training she got and all those years of school to do her actual job, BUT without it she wouldn't have gotten the job at all because there were more qualified people. So if you want to go into physics, make sure you find which area of physics you want to go into, and which actually have jobs, because some are making 6 figures while others are paying off a ton of debt. Just be cautious.
@@kaitlyng7850 thank you! yes i'm entering my sophmore year in undergrad, I'm more interested in particle and optics, my dream is to work at national lab like Brookhaven or Fermi but if that doesn't work out I'll consider teaching
Jonathan Valadez good luck man. I ended up double majoring in physicd and cs because grad school isnt as viable as option due to cost and me not wanting to finally start drawing a real salary when i’m 30 years old. It was tough as shit though
Don’t get a physics masters. Go straight to your PhD. If you’re in the US, most physics PhDs are funded, so you’ll get paid a stipend and you won’t pay tuition. You don’t need to get a masters if your GPA is above a certain threshold
I joined air force, and started college at 22 and in two months I knocked out 45 credits. So now after 2 months of college I'm officially finished with about 3 years of college, im 36 away from my degree in business admin information system technology. My miltary knocked out a year of college from training. And going for my masters using TA and aiming to get my masters in business by age of 26 or so, and ill have bacehlors by 23 or so. And it will all be free which is great and ill either do 20 with a masters or do 6 years of miltary with a masters
That's awesome, thanks for your service
Quality content from yours truly, Shane Hummus. Thanks!
My pleasure!
I definitely think your negative view about graduate studies reflects feelings of many students who've spent a whole lot of time in grad school but coming up not earning much or even finding it hard to get a job. For me I think grad school has been a tremendous enriching experience, not just on academic aspect, but many others that shape my intellectual and independent thinking skills. Perhaps I could say that as I never paid a penny for my grad school - I, as an international student, received full scholarships for all my studies with basically relatively high stipends. All in all I am forever grateful for that even though currently I'm doing something that totally different from what I was trained for 7 years.
Thanks for your insight Hendrick. I respect that
My man, can you speak about Risk management.
Hmmm.. maybe in the future
Thanks for the advice Shane! I got my biology degree and was premed but now I'm switching to epidemiology/hospital management/Infection prevention.
I'm VERY lucky my total cost for my grad program is about 20K and I can pay for it while I am working at a hospital 😁
Welcome travis
Is it a Masters Degree?
I'm 24 and about to graduate with a psychology bachelors (started late). But I think I made a mistake with what I chose to major in and now I feel stuck. Especially with everyone saying I need to go to graduate school for psych.
Good luck
you do not. You can work in HR, as quality assurance for clinics or insurance companies, or become an RBT or BCaBA. There are other options but those are the most lucrative at that level. Of course, you could also get a masters / PhD in IO psychology to do higher level HR, masters / PhD in clinical psych to be a clinical director instead of QA and also do therapy, or get a specific license or certification in any other 4 branches of therapy at the masters level... all for slightly higher pay. But really, a good QA is worth their weight in gold and gets paid near 100k with just the BA, and BCaBAs also make $50 / h standard so it can rack up really high if you have a lot of clients.
Also, the government actually allows you to write biopsychosocial evaluations as a BA as long as a person with a license supervises. A bio pays $100 /h. Though, admittedly, the competition is harsh and you probably won't be given the chance over someone with a masters unless you are actually super good at it.
You could also just open your own mental health clinic and hire the people with masters / PhD to actually do the therapy while you manage the business.
There's a lot to do in psychology, school is just garbage at educating you in your options.
As usual, your advice is very useful to the new generations and parents. Please kids listen to this young man. He's totally right. I hate seeing young people wasting their time and money in useless degrees, ending up in low paid jobs and very unhappy. Please study something useful, something that allow you to make a decent living. I'm a retired CPA and MBA; however, my heart is with history, literature, philosophy and the like, subjects I've studied by myself during my free time. I would have never reached the lifestyle I enjoy today and educated my children by pursuing humanities as a career. Sorry to be blunt.
Exactly Mario
The top 1% in a humanities field (or any field for that matter) do earn good money. If you were determined to battle and claw and do whatever it takes to get to the top 1% of your field. For example if you loved history and you were determined to battle and claw your way up to being one of the best historians in the world then you will make a comfortable income from it. I have no problem with encouraging someone in college to study humanities as long as they are also told how much of an uphill battle it is. If they knowingly sign on for that then no worries. If you have a kid who is relentlessly driven to be best in the world in whatever field they choose then any field or course of study will work because the creme de la creme of any field will get paid.
I see how you feel about going to grad school with a useless degree. But what about going to grad school for a career where it's required? Such as LSP, OT, PT, ect.
If you got it all planned well then maybe it could work out for you.
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Hi Shane,
You make some good points in your video. I personally feel that graduate degrees in professional areas may improve your job prospects and get some decent return on investment. (eg. Law schools might pay off, but an MA in Political Science might not.) With prospects to 'useless' degrees, given the system of higher education today it may seem completely rational for someone to dismiss degrees in non-technical areas such as Political Science, Biology, History, etc. but if you learnt 'soft' tech skills such as basic programming, accounting, excel, etc. as minors and had a great resume filled with internships and relevant work experience you can probably find a job. It's not easy, but its possible. Trying to make everyone be in useful majors is not a good idea. We all have our own talents and capabilities.
Amazing video Shane! Keep up the outstanding work!
Thanks! Will do!
I think this is a great video!
I should mention that in the biomedical sciences at least, you often get paid to do your doctorate dependent on the school at least in the US (because of the NIH). That is your tuition and most school-associated fees are waived, and you get paid a living stipend. Your salary is not that much and is meant for is living expenses (rent, food, etc.). However, if you have student loan debt from Bachelor or Master degrees, then this arrangement can still be sub-optimal, but at least you'll have the ability to pay your debt potentially.
In contrast, you have to pay tuition and school-related fees for Master's degrees in the biomedical sciences and that's how one can really get saddled with debt. You have to pay for your classes and any additional fees. Probably the best approach is going bachelor to doctorate rather than going bachelor -> master -> doctorate. You have to do the same amount of studying, often more for less time but get saddled with way more debt. And you also have to worry about living expenses.
Typically, the length of a doctorate is 3-8 years with the length dependent on your research and what kind of research you're doing. Most people at my school get out in 4-5 years (typical). A Master's can get you out in 1-2 years, but many (but not all) doctorate programs can give you a terminal master degree if you drop out of the doctorate program.
As a biomedical researcher, you can make a pretty good average salary with the rate being higher in industry and government, which need good background and connections. Academia pays lower as is typical.
Wow, what an informative video. I am on my way to graduate school for OT and I am super nervous...... mainly because of the student loans. 🤔😱
Good luck Dee!!
That's why I didn't go for my MBA. The debt isn't worth it. Cash is certain, jobs are not.
Spot on John
Wow, I can't believe most of these are about money. My country pays for every citizen's university tuition fees if we want to go, so this really surprised me as to how much of a business it seems to be in America. (Don't get me wrong, it's definitely still a business in my country too, but the universities mostly make their money off the students in accommodation)
Excellent video. This man is speaking the truth.
Can you please do a video for MBA’s, Masters in MIS, CIS, etc.
The BEST Masters Degrees!
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"If I want to travel the world, if I want to start a business, I want to do it while I'm still young and healthy enough to enjoy it."
Amen. The winter of life comes swiftly.
Right, grad school is a great choice for the right person but for most I think it isn't right. Cheers!
Wait why do Americans take so much longer to finish their stuff? My bachelors, was 3 years. Masters will be one year, and the average PHd is 4 years.
It is because we take classes not related to our degree and some other reasons that I forgot or don't know.
Holy shhhhht.. Thanks for making this video bro! We dont hear this a lot on RUclips.
You got it Alexis
Could you maybe talk about careers and degrees in Public Health and Health Administration?
Noted
Another problem is that many people choose the wrong major when going to College or University somewhere in the USA and Canada.
Thank you for the video(s). Yes, I want to be a social scientist so it is my passion to pursue sociology degree. And I think university is full of people expecting to get a "normal job" (job that can be pursued via experience or training). From my perspective, these people make us harder to follow our passion as they become our competitor and change the students culture within the faculty. Sorry for bad english, not fluent here.
Thanks Moh
I dont think you need a sociology degree. You look extremely social and think you got that natural talent anyways might as well get out there and tear it up.
Some job descriptions require a masters
degree 🎓 .
This is the case in accounting, plus for some
Students it will help them meet their requirements to get their CPA license.
Ironically enough, I was watching a Dave Ramsey segment where this guy was over $380k in debt trying to get a PhD in organizational leadership thinking that would lead him to becoming a CEO. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Holy cow! 😂
I recommend separating STEM from liberal arts before you compute value added per degree; they have very different distributions. But then again most STEM bachelor's lead to employment, so they do not apply to your scenario.
Hey Shane, I was wondering if you could make a video about the difference between an MBA and a Master in Management (which is really common in Europe, but less common in the US). I know that also in the US is becoming a little more known.
Cheers man love the videos ✌🏻
Great suggestion!
Don't know what you are talking about, but most STEM graduate level degrees are free (tuition waiver and stipend).
Not all
I feel as though if you're gun with networking early on in your degree then you can by the end get a job without a master's. The reason why people do medicine, masters and phds however isn't just for money and a job... often it's the contribution to the body of knowledge (like cancer research, imagine helping find a cure) and maybe it does compliment that individuals goals and if they're realistic with their end job they likely will make alot of money. It's about networking as you go and alot of people who do higher level education have the smarts to apply for and successfully gain scholarships...
It's also about learning too. But also taking what is learnt back into your community which helps everyone.
Thanks for sharing your opinion
I got an MS in IT with the concentration in Cybersecurity and I haven't got an offer. The only thing that I am short is with the experience and few certifications. Honestly, the last thing I would go is to go for a trade. Other than that, I got nothing else to offer.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Luis. Good luck!
But wait....didn’t he go to grad school for pharmacy?
Stay tuned
Yes, Pharmacy used to require a Bachelors degree and now it’s an 8 year Doctorate degree If I’m not mistaken.
I want to share what I feel is a unique perspective coming from my situation.
I did online schooling in high school and when I graduated I didn't know what to do for college so I didn't go. I'm 23 just for context. I feel that things have gone okay for me, like I've learned a lot about what I would major in if I did go and I've developed some life experience, skills, and discipline I didn't have at 18. I have a plan for what I will pursue atm, and it doesn't involve college. I have a basic entry-level retail job that pays bills, and lets me save some money although not much. I feel good about my situation for the most part, but I did not anticipate how lonely and isolated I'd be. I know that there are ways to meet people outside of college but at my age range in particular it seems really difficult. Most people I know my age(my coworkers) go to college. It just feels like something that divides me from my peers. People usually befriend and get to know those who they see on a day-to-day basis and whom with they do some thing together, like school. You could say I work with my coworkers, and that that should maybe be a springboard for us to befriend each other, and that sounds true, but it's not working that way. Sharing this job is just not the same as sharing schooling I suppose, like as in it doesn't quite facilitate a friendship as much as the circumstances in college seem to do. What I'm getting at is that I feel like I should go back to college because although I don't feel like it's in my best interest in other ways, it's hard to trudge on during a lot of days where I see couples as young as me or groups of friends in places, or people texting/calling each other. My path is an isolated one. Making friends is hard. I can't just converse with people and hope to initiate something cause for one I don't want to come off the wrong way, like desperate or awkward. A lot of suggestions given to me from Reddit involve joining some meetup group or like a class or going to a bar/club. Maybe it's different elsewhere in the world but I swear all these places recommended to me are attended by older people not in my age range. If there are people there my age they're usually together with some one, while I'm a loner with no one which I can't say will make a good impression although some may not care. Older people are not exactly the type of friendship or God forbid relationship material I'm craving. Dating apps sound like a shithole and I can't say I'm confident in using them to meet someone. I just want to meet people the normal way you meet people in person... But that feels impossible right now. Alas, college inadvertently seems to present itself to me as my way out of this isolation but no just no fuck college is how I otherwise feel about it. I won't stop feeling conflicted until I make some headway so hopefully I'll meet a girl, or make a few friends because spending all your free time alone, as someone who's apparently as young as they're gonna be and is supposed to be having fun times but is actually experiencing the opposite and doesn't know when it'll end, fucking sucks.
Go to community college you won’t get into any serious debt and there’s plenty of relationship opportunities, and also when you transfer if you do
Thanks for sharing that Alec
I feel like I kinda have to get a masters degree since I took a bad major for undergrad. I'm looking to get a masters in social work so I can work as a psychologist/therapist.
I'm in the same path mate. Are there any videos of his that go into MSWs?
Good luck
Thank you for saying the truth. Like you said, it wouldn’t make sense for your professors to tell you this. And thank you for making me feel relieved after seeing more and more people I went to school with announcing they’re going to grad school.
Yeah it's getting totally out of control in the US. In Switzerland college is free yet only 20-25% of the population goes. In the US, college costs you an arm and a leg and 70% go. Makes zero sense.
WHO EDIT YOUR VIDEO?! THEY ARE AMAZING!!!! I WANT TO LEARN HOW TO EDIT LIKE THIS😭
Thank you bro! Been putting a lot of work into them, trying different things etc starting to dial it in
Thank you so much! You help me with decision making, and hopefully many people will avoid mistakes by watching your videos
I hope so too!
Everytime I see these, I get scared, but then I remember that a Physician Assistant is the fastest growing career in the US,
For now... it might get oversaturated later on. But who knows
Good luck Adrian
Strewth! Thank goodness I am an Aussie uni student.
This is vitally important information. Glad I found your channel, Shane. Great work !
Thank you!
Ut 30,000 for undergrad total
PhD pays around 15000-30000 depending on the Institution.
PHd summer internship pays around 10000 to 35000 depending on major.
This is the Math I’m looking at as someone studying something practical. Hearing things like the average PhD is in debt 100k kinda blows my mind cause we have literally so many ways to make class affordable...
watching this while in grad school. i dont have debt tho
Nice.. Tips for the viewers?
My only disagreement is that I need a master's degree in my state inorder to practice in the field I want. Which is a great field. Also alot of the jobs your talking about are very needed jobs. There's a shortage of professionals in these fields
True, but if they will continue having their program too expensive, they will have to fill those positions themselves.
I’m just saying trades are pretty great and not talked about enough as a career option in high schools. Community colleges and tech schools should be more highly considered.
Luckily my job offers me tuition reimbursement, I am half way done with my Masters and will not pay a dollar out of pocket
Great video Shane!
Question: I’m a Junior in my current major but I wish I majored in Nursing instead.
Right now, I’m torn between doing a direct entry Masters in Nursing (which accepts any major as long as they have the necessary prerequisites completed) or an accelerated bachelors in Nursing.
Which do you think would be the better option?
Keep up the great work!!
Stay for my future videos. Might have one for you
This video is so wholesome, I love it.
My friend at the moment is having a hard time deciding. He’s got a Bachelors in Business and wants to do either Computer Science or IT.
Should he do another Bachelor or do a Masters?
Actually u just can learn coding online
@@oweniriels35 That's true, what resources would you recommend for him?
I hope he figures. Direct him to my channel
He can't find a job with his business degree?
Shane Hummus - The Success GPS Will do, thanks 👍
I just started my Masters due to the fact that I know people with only bachlors degrees that had to go back to school to get a masters because they were fired and could not find anything.
Good luck
I remember back in the "day," you were "invited" to attend college. Now, anyone can go. . .
You most probably are going to be the minority in a high paying salary: from any degree. Just look at Linkin. Life is cruel. Listen and learn. If you really look at the job market MOST ppl get their foot in the door because they know "someone," not solely the education they've earned. Also, ppl have attain a lifetime career because they most probably have ppl intelligence.(what I've seen only my opinion) Let's not exclude the ppl who will never have to work for someone.... those are true geniuses..again my opinion. "A" Students work for the "B" students...facts. I've seen some real idiots in Higher Education.
Thanks for sharing your opinion
Paying for grad school out of pocket. I am thankful that the school I go too have good military rates.
Look into Voc Rehab from the VA. If you have any VA Disability you can get additional free college
I want to Major in Finance or Mathematics and I plan on taking extra classes in things like accounting and other useful things. Do you think it is worth it getting MBA since I want to work in management in my field and explore other entrepreneurial opportunities especially considering where I'm from the MBA is only an additional 1 year also what do you think I should choose finance and mathematics or finance and accountng
if you’re still in high school, just focus on your studies now. you’re talking about the next 4-5yrs of your life. your circumstances can be completely different then. you might not be able to get a master’s degree then. who knows? personally, i’d major in mathematics, if i were you. you can do pretty much anything with that degree. as a tip, take some computer science electives with your mathematics curriculum in college.
Stay tuned for my upcoming videos. Good luck
@@aloneagain5873 Thanks for the reply
I recently graduated with a bachelor's in mathematics, and I don't plan on going to graduate school. From my personal view, the only case where I would go to graduate school is either if I had a specific career path in mind that required a graduate degree or I was working in a field that offered to give me advancement in exchange for further schooling. Other than that, I don't really have a reason to go to graduate school right now.
What are career options for math majors and not that data analyst crap?
Also what are the right grad programs for Math majors? Professor requires additional Math I guess but I am wondering about something else.
Hey Shane, I hope you’re doing well. What are your thoughts on a masters in social work?
That’s what I’m getting my masters in. Lots of jobs out there.
I might talk about that in the future
@@jenniferr5934 not good jobs and very high case loads low paying. It's unfortunate for all the hard work they do.
This is very true. One thing is that in Canada you do get a stipend in research so you can avoid the additional debt. If you don't have a SERIOUS passion for it don't do a phd
Thanks for watching
Chem PhD student here. In the US, we all get paid to go to grad school. It's not much, probably similar to what a new high school teacher would make, but it's enough to live and not go into debt.
Thanks for sharing Cory
he's referring to opportunity cost
Strong points Shane! Definitely agree with everything you said.
Thanks Samantha
Shane - OMG does this hit home.
I have two friends who both went back for doctorates later in life. The first one worked at a professor at a local university, she didn't get any kind of raise for over a decade, didn't get tenure, and got pushed out at age 62. She's since found out that she's overqualified as you say for all the positions she's attempted to get, and probably a little age discrimination as well. She's shared several times that she wishes she'd have stayed with the private company with her bachelors instead of chasing degrees and working at a university.
The other lady is mid-50's, went into psychology, her bachelor's was pretty much useless, she went after a masters to become a counselor, accumulated a bunch of debt, and then they convinced her that she needs to have a phd. I'm afraid to ask her how much debt she's accumulated, she is always broke, stressed to the point that it affects her health. I feel really bad for her. The last time I talked to her about it, she's being encouraged to chase a different doctoral degree. Some in academia have no morals the way they encourage people to get into debt. (Almost like talking to a timeshare salesman.)
As you noted, if you have a good plan to make use of a masters/doctoral degree, then it can be a great thing. My neighbor's granddaughter is a beast when it comes to study, and she got a job with a firm that is paying for her MBA; she has to agree not to quit for some years after she graduates... In this day and age, what a deal! They've invested in her, so she'll probably be one of the last to be laid off when times are tough, as long as she is a good worker.
Thanks for posting this. I feel like I'm writing a novel now, so I'll quit. At some point, I'll share how my daughter is taking advantage of free junior college and inexpensive degree for her choice of medical career.
I just finished reading and that’s so interesting. she’s definetly lucky with finding a job that is paying for her mba. What does she do? And what is your daughter majoring in that deals with the medical field? I’m sort of in a tough dilemma right now with picking what’s right for me
Thanks for sharing that. Stay tuned
My neighbor's daughter does IT for an oil exploration company. With oil getting hammered, she really lucked out, as she started her MBA before Covid. My daughter is going for a MLT degree, although I'm not exactly sure which sub-specialty she'll go after. She first started looking at nursing, but after talking to several nurses decided it wasn't for her. Best wishes for you in choosing something that you like, and that pays well!
I'm a little confused about the PhD debt when it is technically free, you don't have to pay for tuition. It seems like a lot of people go to bad PhD programs under the promise of a better job without understanding the system.
General advice for those considering PhD, if you have to pay for it, then the program is automatically bad. PhD student is actually a job (research assistant); you do not pay the school for it to give you a job, the school pays you.
Simple solution for those of you thinking about grad school while facing mental health struggles. Reconsider grad school.
You don't need it for survival in this world. Any subject. For me personally, knowing my mental health, and my circumstances in life, the six figure salary can wait, even though so many people in my field stroll into grad school "because it's expected". What could look like as "I'm not sure if I have mental health problems, but I suspect something's going on" could potentially spiral towards not wanting to live anymore as a grad student. Nobody needs grad school to "survive". Is your life really worth an additional couple of lines on a resume? A couple extra thousands per year in terms of your salary?
If you STILL want to do grad school, and on your own accord and not because of external pressure, talk to someone. A therapist, a friend, a parent, anyone regarding mental health. I am indeed jumping to conclusions and being blunt.
Hope I saved someone's life.
It’s often funny how the concept of going to college guarantees one’s success. Weird how some of us have still adapted to that.
Please share your concept of going to college
Shane Hummus - The Success GPS currently still attending. But if I were to sum it up, I’d say grade school but way more expensive and and difficult. Especially for those who do not have a plan as to what they want to fo for a career that requires said college education.