ARE WE CHEATERS??? 😱
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- After Scott dominated the first rounds of the Roadsports and Club Enduro Race Series', a couple of people were skeptical of how much power our Golf had...
So our ECU was confiscated and Ryan had the privilege of traveling up and down the country for 2 days to validate our figures on @REPerformanceUK and @tegiwa Dyno's!
But did we cheat?? 👀
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Somebody got pissed that a diesel was pulling harder at 5k then them at 7 or 8 🤣
Salty folk that a diesel is faster than there race car the class above them. Every man and his dog has told them diesels are for economy not performance then they get rinsed by one. Darkside magic at its finest 👌
I ordered some parts from them for my V10tdi and i instantly noticed that with almost 900nm i gapped my friend in his tuned Golf R (about 480hp) torque is a crazy weapon in drag racing.
And of course a lot of people talk about peak power being the only thing that matters, your drive-ability could be miles better and also you could have 10-15% more power across the rev range.
Add that to your drivers talent, car setup and how it suits a particular track layout it can vary so much!
Mega job!
The way you drive doesn't magically make the engine stronger, it allows you to use the car to its full potential, thus making you faster by being more efficient.
Like the old saying goes, "work smarter, not harder."
@@britishgamer666 hahahaha bro thought I meant driving ability, not driveability of the car! 😂
@@b17blg So what exactly could they do to the driveability of this car?
I can think of spacing out the wheels, making it lower,
better alloy wheels for less weight,
better tyres,
racing calipers,
racing breaks and discs,
fine-tuned steering rack to go with a fine tuned suspension,
improved engine mounts,
lighter pulleys,
different transmission, gearbox and drive train to improve gear-ratio and have less power loss,
upgraded clutch,
short shifter kit,
body kit upgrades,
upgraded and lightened flywheel, etc.
All these just make the car more efficient. Upgrading the entire throttle system of your car, maybe trying to convert a cable throttle system to an electronic one makes it programmable and so you can fine tune it. Tho stuff like this is going to cost a lot, whilst giving you 1% or less increase on driving performance.
@@britishgamer666 I’ll be honest I have no idea what you are talking about. I commented on peak figures not being all too relevant and actually the mapping could make the car easier or more driveable, especially low down in gears rather than inducing a loss of traction by introducing max boost and torque I.e the driveability of the car.
I’m not sure what you are trying to get at because your response doesn’t even correlate with what I was talking about
I'm a little concerned about Ryan's well-being with a bottle of Gordon's Pink Gin and what look like Greek stuff olives on the passenger seat. Can you please re-assure us that Ryan's a bitter drinking Yorkshire man and on the road to recovery.
Lol, a gift for the good lady from someone else, nothing too sinister!
Thank god for that then that he's not a bitter drinking fella, bitter is like the old woodbine ciggies or park drive I can remember my dear nan and grandad smoking, all 3 are in same category and it's category for strictly those aged at least 65+ lol.
😂😂 people not allowed to drink
Diesel engine conspiracy, it’s all just torque
Always gonna be some sour bellend whinging they got beat. Good work boys!
Surely torque plays a massive part in performance.
HP is a measurement of torque X rpm
Looks like someone spat their dummy out after a diesel spanking 😂 awesome informative video as usual by Ryan and the Darkside Team keep it up lads 👍
You guys are just to good at what you do :P ...Dyno to Dyno figure variations can be due to loads of factors. Environmental differences; Dew Point, Relative Humidity, Ambient Air Temp, Altitude, etc ...Variations on each particular Dynos; a Roller drum bearing that has a little bit more drag(due to lack of lubrication, age, mechanical fault). Dyno cell conditions(Exhaust gas dilution of the intake air charge, etc.).
Great job on the wins a any rate, and congrats on not being disqualified! Onto the next round!
Really enjoy these vids where different folk "in an industry" work together and lovely seeing REPerformance a channel I've started watching lately. And ALL HAIL THE BEEP.
Just show you have a great driver and team. Well done 👏
Dyno roulette
Aww, I’ve missed that beep. It’s like an old annoying friend that you’ve kinda got used to.
Anyway, the car is so fast for three reasons. One, the chassis is spot on (hell, the whole package is). Two, Croft suits diesels as the torque (and/or power band) help it get out of the hairpin well. Three, Scott is a very good driver who knows how to get the best out of the package.
Seems a bit daft that you have the choice of three dyno's when there is such a variation between them. Surely the championship should pick one and stick with that for consistency.
Its not that simple, and the dyno debate will go on long after were dead.
Just watched a car go into 3 rooms, not seen a single dyno cell in any of these videos yet, although, THEY FINALLY HOOD DOWN DYNO there cars, so its representative.
Hood Up = Walk away find another cell.
7 Second sweeps only for cooling = Walk away find another cell
Unless the dyno can run your car for HOURS at full load it aint worth a wank, and thats just my opinion. Like i said this will go on forever.
We have a cell? so you missed something!
@@DarksideDevelopments I know ive been in it, ive met you and my cars mapped by you.
I fully agree . The dyno at the track must be THERE TO ONLY SEE THE POWER THEN DECIDE IN WHAT CLASS IT SHOULD RUN, ACCORDING TO THE RULE BOOK , if the one operating the dyno at track was such an expert ,don't you think he would be the best TUNER IN THE UK ? MAKES YOU THINK..... PLEASE......????
It's hard to draw a solid line in the sand for max power & torque because there is always a slight difference in the figures from different dyno types.
I think the rules need adjusting to account for this. Perhaps an allowance of something like 3% would be a good idea?
Not cheaters...just THE BEST performance-diesel specialists in the country...Period!!!!....
Your T5 truck gets better fuel economy fully loaded than my standard E70 X5 40d 300bhp 😆😆
A Lot of the competition are driving petrols so have to rev the nuts of them to achieve peak power and probably have a similar torque figure to their BHP. Where as you probably have about 3/4 more torque then you do have BHP. So of course you drive away from them coming out of corners . Plus there is all the unknowns with a turbo car ambient temperature air density. Etc etc . They just don't like getting beat by a diesel. Keep up the good work. 👍
The dreaded beep is back? Thats the signature for darkside dyno videos🤣
tyre pressure thers a good chance your tyres were hard on your dyno and after altering pressures for the track day etc it produces more drag on the dyno and then inflates the numbers
My concern is why should Scott car go to another Dyno .My experience in turning one has to look at the CFM,AMBIENT TEMPERATURE, etc . These are important factors one has to take into consideration, and surely Ryan KNOWS what he IS DOING .
I live 5mins down the road from Darkside… I use a porsche garage on the same trading estate and I’ll happily say this…
These boys to not f**k about!!
I’ve seen some serious cars roll out of there and I’ll happily admit many of their tweaked cars would destroy my porsche, whether that be on or off the track! 😂😂😂
Ricky Elder from REPerformance (Swindon) is an old friend back from our school days… He also builds some serious bits of kit, and I know for a fact he rates the Darkside boys highly… So gives me even further evidence that these lads know what they’re doing and build absolute monsters!! ✨👌
Good work guys! 👏
4:57 I wouldn’t want to be in court with you as my witness
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The slippery slope of different dyno's! Glad to see you guys scraped in. As an aside my T5 fuel gauge seems to be more affected by the phase of the moon than any fuel in the tank, so I had to laugh at that part of the video. God damn T5's, nothing is simple.
It’s a shame if someone got upset the amount of racing you lads do it’s no shock you was quick.
Crofts my local circuit and it's always suited more torquey power deliveries.
was it an event with pro drivers ? so many drivers think they are the best and can only think cheating is at play when they can't win lol . if you have to cheat to win you know you proved nothing . fairplay winning is the best feeling out there
It was, 750MC Roadsports and Club Enduro series we race in
Jet engines run on Kerosene y'know.
Yorkshire folk got to be one of the most trust worthy in the land....obviously not as much Lancashire mind 😅😅😅😢
Yes very interesting video. Im guessing dynos need to be calibrated ? So probably no two dynos are the same. Cheers mateys
They do. There are a lot of factors that can change a dyno number
Hey man. Great jobs!!!
I have a golf mk5 cup, and I’m racing in tourism racing in Spain.
Want to improve arm control suspension and some better power. I have BWA engine 2.0
What you recommend?
Thanks!🙏🏻
In terms of power we don't do anything with the BWA with it being a tfsi. We can help out with suspension parts though. Drop us an email to sales@darksidedevelopments.co.uk with your vin and we can take a look at what we have.
Also got the specs to our golf here for some inspiration - www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/vw-golf-mk5-cup-2-0-16v-cr/
The guy working the camera used to work for redline magazine in the mid 2000s didnt he? he looks familiar .
Davy gets about a lot!
Mk5 rear mk6 front end and dash?
Yeah, it's the VW Cup Kit
How is it possible to start the car without hold down clutch pedal? I'm looking to delete that safety to mine...
Can't be done with it being a safety feature
Didn't know I had a dyno local to me, everyday smarter 🤣
How much for a run?
It's not often we do them as we are always using it for tuning but the prices are here 👍 - www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/dyno-test-cell-rolling-road/
That's it am binning my petrol TT off and buying a Mk5 GT TDI. I'm going diesel!!! 😅
Is it possible to adjust your dyno to read up a few % or is it more complicated than that?
They are calibrated so not really adjustable by the user
4:11 is that the secret fuel you guys been using sitting on the passenger seat? 😳
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Worn tyres will gain you nearly 5% power on a wheel dyno compared to new tyres. If they wanted to be accurate then they should of suggested a mainline/dynodynamics hub dyno
Less rolling resistance (mass) against the rollers and slight circumference change play a part, even strapping the vehicle down harder will change the measure amount slightly. A dyno is a tool for tuning
Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.
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🥴ouuuuukayyy~ suuuurrreee
Never in doubt 😉
great stuff
BHP sells cars, Torque wins races.
What front fenders are those? Can we get them in the United States?
They are VW Cup fenders, not sure if you can but would be worth a search. We get them from vwracing.pl/
No, you’re not cheating, you’re inventive that’s different👍
Sounds a bit like little dick syndrome!
Went to race an R6 at Cadwell Park but with a full day test session the day before. Had a guy with an XJR 1300 grizzling that my bike couldn't be a 600cc as I was storming past him on the straight. Lost a chunk of time with my bike being crawled over and discussed. Suggestion was that it had a 750cc R7 engine in it - fat chance of that!
Up shot is that they decided I was fine. I knew I was fine as the bike had a 100% standard engine - we took it out of the shipping box.
I was just fast as you like through Charlies on a lighter bike and he was riding a cart horse.
It ain't the dog in the fight it's the fight in the dog.
Very true! 🙌
Add some wind noise if you want
Will do!
Cheaters? No.
Magitians? Yes.
Love all the work you do, keep bringing the diesel potential to light. I will be ordering parts from you for my 2012 Golf MK6 1.6TDI very soon.
It amazes me that some people can't just accept that some drivers are faster than others. At least it's been proven now, beyond doubt, that you're not bending any rules and the slower drivers on the grid are going to have to just accept now that they're not as fast as they thought they were 😂
Belle vidéo 👌 😉
Is that just 2 liters?
Yeah, 2.0 CUAA
I can't hear this video properly.....its terrible...all I can here ringing in my ears....sore losers....lol 😅😅.
What a weird scenario to just take the ecu. Did they have anyone competent go through the ecu looking for switchable maps or anything ?
Also weird they let you keep the car. Many ways you could have added a restriction and slowed it down a bit.
Just seems like a waste of 500 miles and everyone driving around.
I guess keeping the whole car makes more sense, but then the organiser would need to transport the car around instead of us. The ECU was sealed until it was ran on the Dyno. We could have done a lot to reduce the power, but we didn't touch the car between the race or dyno sessions. We were confident we did not have too much power
@@DarksideDevelopments fair play. Just seems like an exercise of doing something to make it look like something was done. You could of had a 50hp push to pass button wired up and and if no one looked at the ecu it would have passed fine.
By no means accusing you guys of anything, it made sense when the organise took a dyno to the track. Now just seems like it’s ticking a box to appease someone who has a cry. Just a waste of everyone’s time.
dead cat.
Nice video, very interesting figures. Like others have said, it's just sore losers whining sometimes. The power of derv eh?
Nice to see you down here in "sunny" staffordshire at Tegiwa. Glad to see you didn't go back to AET and their insanely optimistic dyno like with the 330d 😂
Du bist der tiefundton Typ?
Does not translate well
When to expect the B57 video?
It will be coming soon
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Thats motorsport now unfortunately - Scott can steer and the rest of the whingers cant - crying foul play !
Just send them other hoors a trophy in the post and save them the inconvenience of preparing and fielding a car !
You just get narks - we had a numbskull complain that our rear spoiler was not homologated for the class we were in with an ex works Mark Fisher 99 Seat Ibiza - we not only had the paperwork to prove it but had photos of the car when it was built by Seat - That same bollox had to forget his protest - I wouldnt mind but his Clio RS Maxi was a faster car than ours - we just took 45sec to 1min per stage off the cying git
Fair play to you lads - yous have the complete team - a well fit car and a lad that can steer - The rest will sink to protest to mask their inadequacies.