California International Marathon, What Actually Happened on the Course?

[@robertsue7586]

Quite amusing that even though your legs are so beat up, you still managed to set up the camera, film shuffling down the stairs with the suitcase, and then went back up to get the camera and then walk down again...just for the 'tube. That's dedication 👍

[@PeterMacdonald-jw8ko]

peak Seth

[@gm08351]

why so many downvotes on video?

[@Thespecificgeneralist]

Seth, what will you adjust? It seems there have been multiple, or every road marathon attempt over the last few years where you’ve “fallen short” - ambition greater than ability… Do you temper expectations and accept 2:18 is out of reach, or change training approaches. You do big volume so the wheels shouldn’t fall off so there has to be something missing in the equation. Keen to know your thoughts…. Stay humble, be hungry!

[@scottdouglas4848]

Seth: Imagine you're running or walking around with your kids and you see someone behind the wheel of a moving car, with no hands on the wheel and clearly focused on something other than driving. You would rightfully be upset. Please do unto others.

[@PeterMacdonald-jw8ko]

He doesn't care. He never has. One day he will get into an accident or get a ticket and he still won't care.

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

happy to chat with you on the phone or zoom call if you're truly interested in an answer Scott. just email me.

[@seatownfan]

Is this the running book author?

[@scottdouglas4848]

scott AT scottdouglas DOT biz @@SethJamesDeMoor

[@PeterMacdonald-jw8ko]

​@@SethJamesDeMoor It's funny that you think anyone that questions your driving is a bot.

[@Twize]

Hi Seth! I’ve ran CIM 7 times and calling it a fast course would not be my first choice of words to describe it. But then again I’m slow so my word doesn’t count. 😂 Kristina was happy to meet you! Hopefully I’ll have my chance next year at Chicago. 🙏

[@bersonlee]

It was so warm hearted to see true love and the kids so excited to embrace you back at home!

[@johngault8688]

I really think you need to do more speed work. I know I'm about to get slammed for this, but it's just my instinct after watching your videos over the years.

[@michealGRuns]

I agree. When’s the last time he did a 5K block? Would do him a lot of good to race some 5K’s and even a mile

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

@@michealGRuns Vegas 2024, see you there for a 5K! be well

[@banksj54]

@@michealGRunsI can’t remember any time any elite marathoners had 5k races in their build up. Maybe 5 repeats but a 5k? How does a 5K translate to 42K performance 🥴

[@michealGRuns]

@@banksj54 😐

[@darrendeas1408]

Agree,he’s got a huge aerobic engine,if matched the leg speed to that then he’d fly around to an OTQ no problems

[@oliverjenkins6539]

This is exactly why you need to get over to Europe - I ran Valencia on Sunday, so flat my watch recorded 68 metres of elevation gain (220 feet)! I didn't feel a single hill which is the first time I've ever experienced it!

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

I think Chicago is even less....Valencia on the radar!

[@patrickvanderwal6324]

Glad you have Valencia on the radar. Did a 17 minutes PR there last Sunday. Amazing course and perfect weather.

[@Arif_Run4Life]

My quads took a heavy beating from all the downhills. I guess I wasn't prepaid as well. My quads are still too and I did a red-eye flight the same night. Glad we all made it back home.

[@tsubakichan]

My first CIM too, and it was super tough. My worst miles were 23-24 - I think that bridge took it out of me for a bit until I retained my bearings at the end. All a learning experience. Onward and upwards to all of us!

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

We keep learning together!

[@BrendonCamm]

Absolute legend as always Seth, thank you for inspiring me (and us) to push ourselves physically, mentally, spiritually. You allow us to see you can have a wonderful family while being physically fit, seeking beauty, chasing PRs and operate a small business! You're a machine. Thanks for sharing.

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Brendon, thank you for being you. Appreciate you so much sir. Hope we can share a group run and staring line down the road.

[@angeloskadis9968]

What I realize after studying (too late 😜) the elevation profile of CIM is that this is Not a race where someone should target even pacing. The first 5 miles are a steep downhill (-150 feet) then you have 10 miles of rollers with elevation gain of 600 feet. And last you have 10 miles of a much more gradual down hill (50 feet)
If you don’t slow down miles 5-15 , you’ll PAY

[@matthewslagle247]

Hey Seth, another awesome job at CIM! I hope the next training bloc goes well and cannot wait to be apart of that journey as you prepare for Chicago. I have ran it before as my second ever marathon and had a massive PR (went from 3:40 to 3:05). If I could offer my two cents on Chicago is that the weather can sometimes be unpredictable but usually on the colder side with the time of year and being by the lake. Lastly, on mile 25, depending on where the wind blows it can feel like your running in a unfavorable wind tunnel.
Again, can't wait for this next training bloc and onward and upward! And keep buttering that bread!

[@young-spark]

Onward and upward. Let's keep it going!

[@LHRunning]

Hey Seth, thanks so much for your inspiration in my running and my vlogging. Just finished State XC champs in NSW 🇦🇺 and just missed the w.

[@markjeter6117]

You did great Seth!! You’re body remembers and you can’t PR unless you try to go for it! Good job sticking to the plan. Much respect!

[@averagerunner_]

Thanks for sharing your reflections on your race Seth!

[@vernonbell1628]

Awesome video Seth!! So encouraging to hear your review and outlook for the future!

[@vincec3773]

man you have great ability and i admire that effort to look at the breakdown of the splits makes me think you can go 2 Hours 22 Minutes or 2 21 without taking the brave risk you took in this race well done to finish 2 Hours and 28 Minutes which is a time most runners will never achieve just amazing

[@wk633]

The late start was because they had a shortage of busses. Some of the sources didn't provide as many busses as planned so they had to do more trips from some locations. Which makes it pretty amazing they got the show going only 10 min late.
The bigger issue is going to be the medal controversy. Or controversies. One is that people finishing in over the 6hr cutoff aren't guaranteed medals, but also some people who did finish under 6 were told they had to take either a backpack or a medal, but not both. I was initially told that. Seems like some volunteer coordination miscommunication.

[@chrisdick726]

Good morning Seth and DGR 🙂🏃🏻

[@merlabel1253]

Nice to see the real struggle it is to continue to PR. Not every race gets the results we want, especially when the margin for error is so close.

[@blueaxe27]

Well said

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

we fight on!

[@georgesoto5436]

Love the ending with the family greeting you, that’s awesome!

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

They are the best!

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Thanks for tuning in.

[@DrProfX]

Yes! Coming to Chicago?! I’m doing it in 2024, too! So hope to see you there and go on a shake out run!!👍

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

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[@wk633]

My legs are a lot more sore this year chasing 3 (went low 3:05) than last year when I had a larger predicted finish range and started easy, finished fast. Trying to push it in the first half really takes a toll on the quads, both up AND down.

[@mad8298]

It is not a downhill course. It is a rolling hill course, which was tough. Yes, there is a slight net downhill, but that 650 ft of elevation gain is no joke. Plus it was humid in the morning and got warmer than it usually does. Good job on your big effort.

[@tav4755]

In Denver area, Coal Creek, (Louisville)and Big Dry creek (westminster)have some small rollers(coalcreek has a solid hill), and if you go out and back for 14-18 mile workouts, you get about 4-600t gain or so. But the best is the gradual descent and uninterrupted path mile after mile

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

the hunt is on! thanks for the ideas!

[@jameschaves5723]

Seth I was there and ran my 1st sub 3:00. Yes its fast but NOT easy!! If you’re not prepared for the rollers it catches up on the back half.

[@SainthomasS]

Hey Seth. I absolutely love this video recap. Me and Alex listened to your live stream the day after.

[@Deadbuck73]

12th! I’ll take it! Glad to be here another day! Thanks Seth!

[@lucasmellinger1084]

Loving that you are back on the tube. You got lose in the algorithm for awhile!!

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

hit that notification bell Lucas

[@xanderbastiaansen5579]

Did I just hear your knee crackling at 8:00 into the video? Great effort on CIM, onward and upward to the next race (and a PB!).

[@smithssquared]

Love the content Seth! I've never ran marathon yet but plan to do so in the future.

[@htmonaro1969]

I'm a huge Johnny Cash fan as well, especially his gospel and rockabilly periods. I was an announcer on a local community radio station for around 6 years and I would always play a couple Johnny Cash tunes every program (although I did play more Blind Boys of Alabama tunes). Thanks for the Johnny Cash references.

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Glad we can unite over some Cash!

[@LyJoyRuns]

Wheels fell off and still ran 2:28! Curious to why didn’t race a flatter course like Chicago, Grandmas, Houston?

[@KeepMovingForwardAlways983]

Seth thank you I just discovered your channel today, this is probably my 10th video I watched of you speaking about running and giving tips. You also a great family man as well man, may GOD continue to work and bless you and your families lives. I wanted to ask would you recommend CIM or Houston to run a PR? I agree I have been studying the course since I been thinking about running this course and I’m like do I want to keep running down and possible up hills to try and PR. So thank you if you can answer this or anyone that is an experience runner who has run these courses. I’m new to the game 1 year in so thank you. (Side note little man definitely gave you the “bro where you been face?” Loll)

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Welcome aboard! Thanks for checking out the channel and you have a lot of videos to go watch

[@ColeRunning]

Enjoyed that a lot. Makes me nervous for when i eventually enter marathon world haha! Thanks Seth

[@1519Spring]

I'm sure those last couple miles 10:10 didn’t feel like zone 1 "Active Recovery"!

[@Matterzzz]

I’m in the same boat, I have never been that sore after a race before CIM. As soon as I crossed the finish line the pain was on. I had to walk about 2 miles to hotel because of road closures. I agree with the course profile to, seemed fast only because everyone was pushing to go fast, really pulls the best out of you. Those hills were relentless though. Definitely a course you have to earn to get a good performance!

[@VietBotPDX]

interested in seeing a breakdown of your training block too! How would you have put your block together differently knowing what you know now? Only having 9 weeks didn't help :-/
But if you're gonna do Chicago, would you do a 16 or 18 week block? any interest in any of the more popular training methodologies like Jack Daniels or Doug Pfitzinger?

[@1519Spring]

It's Pete Pfitzinger and Scott Douglas (co-authors of Advanced Marathoning) (not Doug Pfitzinger - you blended their names), but your question is still valid.

[@VietBotPDX]

@@1519Springgreat catch. Thank you!

[@carlosparra85]

I did CIM 2022. I do not think the CIM downhills are what cooks your legs; it's the rolling hills of the first 1/2 of the race. I had done two previous downhill marathons (Utah Valley Marathon & St George Marathon), and they really went great (with no downhill training, I live in Dallas). Certainly, the quads were a bit sore towards the end, but still, I felt great. CIM was a killer for me. The rolling hills killed my hamstrings and glutes, and after that, I couldn't recover. I may have gone a bit faster than I should, but still.

[@haebolduc5625]

Lessons that we learned from is priceless 😊

[@davidgunther1282]

Apparently the 10 min delay at the start was due to a snafu with a few of the busses getting the pickup at one of the hotels. That’s the word on the street anyway.

[@pobsarducttapeproducts8763]

I’m from San Jose. I despise Sacramento passionately. But, the airport is pretty good 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@DIYTechRepairs]

The "walk of marathon" :P

[@MattRunsColorado]

Elevation gain in this is very similar to the Colfax marathon in Denver!

[@Carlos-sy7ye]

You should come do Mesa Marathon in Arizona!!

[@aidanhanley4412]

were you happy with the alpha fly 2s? not saying another shoe would have changed your result but how did it feel racing in them

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

loved 'em....but the 3 is going to change the game again

[@Deadbuck73]

Love all the second guessers… the Monday morning quarterbacks… man I’ve never run a sub 6 mile in my life… and Seth is over there running 5:20s all day long! Seth’s game really doesn’t need to be questioned. Keep crushing it like Quint!

[@eoincasey5461]

😂

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

[@margaretblake5051]

it's not second guessing, it's giving critical feedback so he can improve, like he would like to do.

[@Shevock]

You know, lots of folk never take the wagons out and so the wheels never fall off. But they also never get anywhere.

[@Kevin-cf8uu]

You know you worked hard when you're that sore and can't walk down the stairs :D

[@korethoe262]

haven't watched in years and this guy went downhill. what is up with the look and change? narscisstic wow. bad vibe. sad how much worse this is now. things change, some for the worse. too bad.

[@AbleHammer]

St. George is another one where people come to bag BQ attempts PRs etc

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

St George?! Canada? NY?

[@preyforeyes07]

utah@@SethJamesDeMoor

[@AbleHammer]

@@SethJamesDeMoor yes! Utah!

[@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183]

Also the Tunnel series on WA and Mountains2Beach in Ventura, CA

[@mikedickerson3944]

CIM is not a particularly fast course. It is a racer’s course with a fast field.

[@KillStreakMcH]

I consider cim a bit of a cheater course. Is that not the general consensus?

[@angeloskadis9968]

In my book it’s much more difficult than Berlin or Chicago

[@OttoVogrincic]

That is a lot of elevation gain for a fast course

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

truly is!

[@TrailrunnerTroy]

Raced a 100-miler in Louisiana while you were doing us proud at CIM. Running continuously downhill is an art that requires specific training to build endurance strength, so no worries - go flat next time and all shall be well!