I got my CB650R last wednesday in "Pearl Smoky Gray" (4 color choices here in Denmark and probably Europe in general). Still in break-in period, but im already super happy with it. Sounds good for a stock exhaust too imo
I got the same! I absolutely love the exhaust note for the stock system! I'm still in the break-in period too, so I haven't heard it at full chat....yet😁
@@Mr_Jack_Shelby hello Jack. I am Robert from Poland..could you tell me how much this bike takes fuel per every 100 km?? I think about easy drive not as a madman???😀What aboutwith drive it is easy to turn left right? What do u think in general about bike? Comfort, quality and fun when drive....
@@robertbieganski8143 4cyl engines are indeed fun, but they chug gas in any speed. I'm guessing around 18km/l for this. MT-07 is a good alternatives if you care about gas since it's only has 2cyl engine.
You have really developed tremendously as a reviewer Michael, and it's a pleasure listening to you. The way you do the little asides, talking about peripheral stuff like other riders around you etc., shows great confidence in your presentation skills. Keep it up.
@@TerraMagnus Right. First Model T Ford used a straight four. twins aren't as refined, and don't rev up to 13-16,000 rpm. Which is the whole point for having a "sport bike". Twins sound like tractors. I'm not spending inline four money for a tractor.
I have had this very black one for a week and i feel more safe on this bike than i did on my previous duke 125. I could not imagine how easy to handle this bike. so easy to maneuver this bike despite being 200 kg. So smooth like a dream. it looks elegant and sophisticated. It is an awesome bike. I hesitated between this and triumph trident but honda won and it was one of the best decisions of my life. But i don`t think it is a beginner bike. If i had started riding with this bike i would have died somewhere in the mountains.
Did you test drive the Trident? I'm in the same boat as you were but wondering how different each one feels (no chance of test drives here for a while). I've seen videos where the Trident is called "more compliant" (with road imperfections, etc.) and others where the Honda is lol. Also that the Trident's brakes are "meh", and others where they are "just as good as the CB's".
@@efrainl They have the same brake and suspension. Both are very compliant. I think when choosing between the bikes your taste your heart and your habit how to ride a bike will decide which one to choose. As for me i like how easy to handle the honda at low rpm and it is fast at low too and above 8000 it gives a thrill. No one can be wrong about these ones.
You jumped directly from 125 to 650? How was it? I am about to swing from my CB300R to 650R but I am concerned about weight. You say that 200kg are not noticeable during slow speed maneuvers?
@@conViction0000 not at all. Do not worry. The engine is so smooth at low speed so you do not feel the weight of the bike only when you push it.i am 175cm 65 kg and the position is perfect and comfortable
picked up the 2020 model for my first bike. just hit 2000 miles on it. comparing it to my gf's mt-07, this bike is quite muted at low rpms. with that said, the feel of the inline 4 is buttery smooth. as a daily commuter it works VERY well. as a beginner on it, the power to me is very approachable as many newer riders don't get the bike that high in the rev range. with that said, starting from first gear and getting the thing going there is a noticeable torque dip between 3-5.5k rpms. as you get to 6k the power comes on strong. its not bad if you aren't wide open, but it can scare you the first few times you hit it while searching for speed. i found it most notable when down shifting to 4/5 gear and rolling on the throttle on the highway. all in all. very fun first bike. don't need more power. cornering feels good. at 6'1" 175lbs, the ergos are a little tight. suspension is firm but well sorted (MT-07 ride is sponge almost bouncy). tl:dr-good first bike, good forever bike. do recommend.
Would you recommend the CB650R to a complete beginner? Cuz I’ve been debating to either go naked or cruiser type motorcycle. I have already taken a drivers course for both car and motorcycle but still have no experience due to covid and lockdowns. I just watch some tutorials on RUclips and I get the principle of a manual transmission bike, but would you say that the CB650 is good starter bike?
@@athanobnial8254 pros and cons of it. Pros: power is low at lower revs which makes it great for a beginner bike. As you gain experience the higher in the Rev range you get the more character it brings out. Gear box is great. Very stable at speed. Good suspension. Cons: bike is rather expensive for a first bike. Breaks are aggressive and numb, during panic situations things may get dicey. Due to the tuning, at 6-6.5k rpms the bike acts different. Torque comes on aggressively and can scare you. Long story short, it's a great bike both for a beginner and experienced rider. Everything on it is solid. Honda reliability and quality. It has a ton of character when you want it. I love it for my first street bike. I ride mostly on the highway at 70-75 mph. If you do more city riding and keep your speed below 50mph I would suggest another bike. Not that the cb650r can't do it. There are just better bikes for that. Better for gas, torque, fun, comfort.
@@RedRa7Vg3r thanks!! I plan to get it as a first bike just because I can grow into it and still have fun on it compared to starting with an R3 or Duke 390 you could grow into it pretty quickly and later on upgrading to a bigger bike but still forgiving as a beginner rider. Plus having an Inline-4 engine as a first would be cool. Thanks again man!
@@BobaFlex636 I’ve lived in many parts of California and even the rural areas this was a rare sight, but I’ll have to take your word for it that people in suburban LA walk their horses down the sidewalk every day.
This is in orange, they have lots of equestrian zoning , as well as neighboring cities like Fullerton Anaheim Yoruba Linda , it’s super common in Orange County
Awesome review of the bike. As an owner of a CB650R you couldn’t have said it better from the clutch feel, brake feel, gear shift, fueling etc and your wheelie attempt looked like one of mine hahaha which makes me somewhat proud of myself. Love the bike to bits and I think it looks awesome just a bit disappointed that the wheel HP is down to 80-81 compared to the brochure HP figure of 93.
@@kleinbottled79 thanks for the clarification. Yea I’ve always understood there’s a difference at the crank and at the wheel but didn’t expect it to be that much to be honest haha. I guess I learn new things everyday. Thanks again man!
@@RUBBERNMETAL Already did 400miles from the 600 in 6 days, but now it's around 35F, sooo I'll have to wait a bit. Went for a 150 miles run around 50F, wasn't funny... :D
@@xerohun almost there buddy after your first service you’ll be feeling more of that cold wind 😂 can’t imagine riding in that weather I live in a tropical country hot all year, once i rode at 20C which is around 70F, suddenly I can understand what heated grips are for.
For new riders in Europe, I have one (2022 model) restricted to 35kw (euro A2 license, it dynos at around 38 whp when restricted) and it's fine in town and small roads, but once you reach 120 kmh (75 mph) it struggles to pull ahead. It reaches around 160 GPS kmh (100 mph) after a while, and after that it wont really accelerate any more on level ground. The bike is fantastic, good quality all around, feels nice, sounds good even on the stock can, and looks gorgeous, but using it for traveling while restricted can be a bit frustrating, specially when passing other vehicles on the motorway. Here in Spain most people travel at 120-140 kmh and if you're on the passing lane and someone comes in hot behind you, you sometimes want to get out of the way faster than the bike can accelerate. Also, the seat is awful for long distances. Got it with the upshift quickshifter, works well abobe ~3.5k RPM. And yeah, I would still get it, I've done 6000km in 8 months and absolutely love it. Just hold off big travels until you get it de-restricted.
Tested an non-35kw before buing mine. I feel the same issues with the the speed on highway with 35Kw. Here in Switzerland it's limited to 120km/h (ppl go at 130km/h) it's an "smaller" issue depending where your country. I felt more the smaller air intake with the 35kw limitation to be an issue on really slow speeds (I ended putting more gas), after one year of using mine it's no more an issue but I never put in neutral without checking the screen it's to subbtle when you wear motorbike shoes. Do you still have the 35kw kit? or do you finally could remove it?
I have 2020 one, here in Poland, Europe. It's great bike for its price. To all CB users if You are speeding, overtaking put it almost to redline 😉 it's small beast if You keep it over 8500 rpms to 12000 rpms.
Czyli Patryk polecasz ten motor?? Sam go właśnie zamówiłem. I mam nadzieję, że będzie tak jak mówi większość youtuberów, że to dobry motocykl....So Patryk you strongly recommend this bike?I have just ordered it and hope make dreams come true...in your opinion is it a good bike for occasionally traveling ca 300 400 km???
@@robertbieganski8143 bardzo polecam. Musisz się natomiast przyzwyczaić do pozycji, ponieważ jest specyficzna. W zakrętach trzymaj zawsze łokcie luźno poniżej serca bo dużo osób mówiło, że słabo skręca, a wina leżała po stronie kierowników 🥸. Przez pierwsze 3tys km był bardzo twardy w kwestii zawieszenia, potem zachowuje się jak "mały turystyk, który nie jest tak mały jak się wydaje". Osobiście polecam założyć szybkę Givi taką dymioną w kształcie Y, bo przy odpowiednim ustawieniu będziesz leciał nawet 170kmh bez efektu urwania głowy na co cierpi każdy naked. Moje średnie prędkości przejazdowe są zawsze powyżej 130kmh. Po więcej info zapraszamy do grupy CB650R/CBR650R, znajdziesz nas na Fb. Pozdrawiam
@@jerronimo6874 to jest grupa? super)))) pewnie, się do niej zapiszę. Dziękuję Patryk za spostrzeżenia. W sumie to jak zobaczyłem ten motocykl poraz pierwszy to pomyślałem od razu to jest coś dla mnie👍😉
@@robertbieganski8143 👍 pamiętaj, że po dotarciu jak już chcesz kręcić to rozgrzej dobrze olej przed wariowaniem. Mimo dużego doświadczenia jestem ciągle zdziwiony tym co potrafi, mogę porównać go do ktm 990 smt który od 0kmh do 180kmh jedzie idealnie tak samo, a przypomnę że ktm ma ponad 110km. VMAX w CB to zależnie od wiatru 225-245kmh.
@@jerronimo6874 właśnie jestem zaskoczony co potrafi ten silnik na razie po przeczytaniu wielu recenzji z różnych krajów. Oczywiście będę pamiętał żeby pierwsze km spokojnie))tak też robię autem. Nigdy przez pierwsze kilometry nie palę silnika.
Thanks for honestly pointing out niggling flaws in shifting, brake numbness & bite, fueling, seat. All issues that some would find annoying in daily use.
Most of that is down to adjusting the controls to you, and putting on better brake pads. Once you do that, I've found for me, the CB is just about the perfect motorcycle.
@@joelohne3559 im on my 2nd year on the CB650, yes you get used to the fueling, but that dosn't mean its good, its still feels abrupt, there is deffo some not smooth on/off throttle going on, also at certain RPM's is like the bike dosn't know if it wants to go forward or stop. I think this can be said for most new FI bikes in general, this Honda is not exception, a custom fuel map would be a great upgrade. Im hearing the the block off plates mod helps quite a bit witht eh on/off feal and also makes it sound better.
I got. 2020 cb300r , first time owner , I had it for a little over a year , I use to for my daily commute to work, and I’m thinking on upgrading with this one , great review
Fellow 2020 cb owner here. When you opened the bike up, you only got a little of its power. This bike's primary power sits near the redline. If you shift too early the midline power loss will eat your takeoff acceleration. Try running through all the gears only shifting at 12k rpm. You'll appreciate its power a lot more.
I've had mine now for 2 years. It's still like new from the showroom. You didn't mention the thing that most annoys me about the bike. That is, the vibration after 6,000 rpm. It seems to vary from bike to bike.
@@KB-yj5xp I tried the CB1000R the high rev vibration is not as noticeable. And at those higher revs you’ll be going too fast to think about handlebar vibration anyways 🤣
I've been looking at the GSX-S750 for a second bike too, I love the way the CB looks, but Suzuki makes more sense for me. The most common complaints I hear are usually the looks being a little dated and the halogen headlight but non of those things bother me really, and I've already seen people just stick an LED conversion, and on one of my older bikes I replaced all the incandescent indicators with LED equivalent, popped in a flasher so they don't blink fast and done. So who knows I may just get one unless I get a stupid deal on something else, but I'm in no rush to decide. 😃🏍
@@christopher7310 Just bought a brand new one, two weeks ago. It's an amazing bike! With the yoshi exhaust fender eliminator and led headlights + blinkers, it looks really good. I don't think you would regret picking one up.
I recently got my big bike license after riding 250cc and 400cc bikes for years, and I’ve been looking at mid-sized bikes. I’ve limited myself to the Japanese big four because I live in Japan, and the European brands are simply too expensive to make them value for money, whereas the Japanese brands are certainly value for money on the shop floor and in the maintenance garage. I rode a Honda CB400 Super Bol D’or for a few years, a premium quality, fared in-line four, a super popular bike here in Japan, which sells for around $10,000, so I was immediately interested in the CBR650R. When I went to see one at a local Honda dealer, I remember looking at it for the first time, but then a CB650R in matte jeans blue catching my eye, and, I have to say, I was set aback at how good looking it was. In truth, I don’t think I’d seen such a good looking bike before. It was awesome looking. It made the CBR650R look kind of ordinary, and that’s saying something. So I ended up taking both bikes out for test rides. The CBR650R seating position is more leaned forward, with it having clip-ons, but not as far forward as super sports bikes. But I was surprised just how sporty the seating position was on the CB650R, too. It’s quite leaned forward for a naked bike, certainly much more so than the MT-07. The engine is certainly more powerful down low than I was led to believe in-line fours generally are. I was getting decent pull from around 4,000 rpm, and shed loads of it from 6,000 - 7,000 rpm, and I was very impressed when I opened it up in the low rev range in 3rd gear. I had to grip the handlebars and brace myself. It really pulled a lot more than I was expecting. These are fast bikes, with decent mid-range torque. Be in no doubt about that. And the scream from those pipes when you let it rip. I’d not bother with an aftermarket pipe, to be honest. These bikes sound fantastic. I haven’t decided which bike I’m going to buy yet. The 2021 Yamaha MT-07 and 09 or new Tracer 9 haven’t been released here so far, and I won’t decide until I get a look look at them. I wouldn’t buy an MT-07 over a CB650R. The Honda is simply a better bike in terms of build quality, suspension, brakes and looks, and it’s fast enough to have a lot fun on around town. It also blows the MT-07 out of the water in looks. The new MT-09 sand Tracer 9 are a different matter though, with that CP3 engine and their very nice electronics package. Here in Japan, there’s not a lot of price difference between the CB650R and the MT-09, and if you’re not that concerned about the looks, the MT-09 does look like a very sweet bike in comparison. But if I choose a more sedate riding life, in and around town, with the odd weekend blast in the mountains, I still might go for the CB650R or the CBR650R. When I finally get to see an MT-09 in person and don’t gel with the looks, then I’ll go the Honda route. Fellow riders tell me that I will get bored with the power after a while, and while that might be the case, I doubt it, and there’s no chance I’ll get bored with the styling. These bikes are beautiful. There is simply nothing in the mid-range category that comes close to them in styling, in my opinion of course. I’m just sorry you guys in the US can’t get the matte jeans blue or the red options for the 2021 models. They’re the two best colours by far.
Fellow Japanese rider here! Limited myself also to Japanese brands. Had a MT-25 for 2 years and half and just ordered a blue CB650R. The bike is sooo beautiful as you said. Your CB400 must have been super fun to ride. That Vtec is quite unique and so pleasant to the hear. I also think 400cc is really good for the narrow roads of Japan. The MT-07 is something I never envisioned because the bike is everywhere in Europe (where I come from) so I didn't want to come here I'm Japan and have the same bike as everyone from my country lol. But also the engine of the CB seems more tame. The CP engine is fun but I don't want a wheelies machine as it doesn't fit my style. The only issue of the CB is the fuel consumption which is quite high due to being a revving I4. Anyway have fun!
That didn't sound like a glowing endorsement: questionable low-speed fuelling, inexact clutch bite-point, difficult to modulate brakes and an iffy seat. Against that, it's great looking and well-made and it's a Honda. Maybe someone could put me straight if I got the wrong impression. I was hoping for some more tangible improvements for 2021 to get closer to the Aprilia for instance. Good review as always. Thanks guys.
Like I mentioned to another commenter, if you adjust the controls and put better brake pads on this bike it will feel much better. As far as the fueling, I have a 2020 and have not noticed any problems with that. Alot of times in these reviews, some of the problems that are discussed are just adjustment issues. With the seat, this is the only motorcycle I have no problem with the stock seat, but everyone is different. I would suggest a test ride to find out how this bike feels to you. I sure Love mine.
I own a 2019 and an ecu reflash and tires fixed all the gripes I had with the bike. The stock tires were garbage and never gave me confidence in riding the bike. The ecu reflash woke the bike up completely. The emissions in my opinion almost ruined a great bike.
As a CB650R owner I’d probably say the trident altho I’ve never ridden it but I’d still go for the CB650R as it looks classier and more grown up. Oh Honda reliability and dependability too.
Both great but Triumph is known to make unreliable bikes. Worse than Harleys. For that reason alone, I'd get CB650R. CB650R looks way better anyways imo.
I know this comment is out of place here, but could we see more of such “beginner” bikes.. Mainly the 2021 KTM 390 Duke as I'm considering it as my first motorcycle.. Hope it comes through✌🏾.
I planned on buying this bike, but my only issue is seat and seat size. Seems to me that this is exclusively one-person bike. Any feedback on riding with passenger (avg size) on this bike? Both wife and I are 177 cm (5 ft 10).
i can't speak explicitly to the cb650r, but I own a cb500. Obviously not the same, but the chassis should be similar. I'm 6'2 and my wife is 5'6 and she fits fine on the back.. I imagine a passenger would fit fine on this bike although not comfortably for more than an hour or two
I am looking at this bike to upgrade from a CBR 500R. How is the power jump coming from a 47HP bike? Does it power wheelie easily in first? Is first gear as short as it is on the 500?
Love this bike. Really wish they would update the instrument cluster to a TFT display. As is, might as well not even be there for day riding, can’t read anything!
Waiting to get my CB650R in blue. I ordered it 2 weeks ago and you say the 2021 is all black?? Sure it's not just the cb1000r who only comes in all black spec ?
I have a '21 Rebel 300 that has the same issue with trying to go slow and it surges all over the place. Bike is getting sold, can't stand it. I'm sad to hear it's a company thing and not just one model. I really like these CB's
You mentioned your height but not your inseam. I’m 5’8” with a 29” inseam, I think I would be fine with the CBR. I had the F4i for several years and liked it very much.
I’m right about your height… would you consider it to be heavy? I know it’s a bit heavier compared to it’s peers… could you share your thoughts on that? I’m edging to buy this but I get insecure sometimes thinking about it’s weight
Awesome bike. I believe that’s under the back seat near the fuse box. I have a 2020 model so mine doesn’t come equipped with but I’ve seen on Facebook group discussions about the socket. Check it out.
Idk why I always keep coming back to the cb650r🥲, even though I work at a KTM/Aprilia dealership 🤷🏾♂️ handlebars & 90-100 hp is all I want tbh, beats riding a 1000cc sport bike everyday like I do now 🥲
Why only in black ?! I bought it 3 days ago, still in preparation at the dealership. I got it in blue though, did I got bamboozled and it’s not the 2021 model ?
11:20 Do you mean that the friction zone is in a different area than in a typical motorcycle? or that the friction zone changes, preventing you from remembering where it is located?
friction zone doesn't change. maybe because the lever is so light (which most people including me like) you can't feel it from the lever asobviously as one feels on other bike. I don't see a problem, you can get used to it and it's comfortable.
i am totally in love with this motorcycle and its so tampting to finally get my licence and start enjoying life little bit ;) and due to my age of nearly 30 y.o. i think its great starting bike. Only concerns are not quite friendly price and if this bike wont be too small for me when im nearly 6.2... any experience from somebody with same high?
I really like your review, we've just got our one. I'm not that experienced even though I have had my bike licence since 2011. I think this is a great intermediate bike to get confidence without being too intimidating. My only other bikes prior to that was a 250 kawasaki ninja 250R (2008/2009)and a kawasaki (2016) erf650. This definitely feels like a step up but not too big. So pleased with it so far. Does anybody know where the usb port is under the seat? I can't seem to locate it?
That is one handsome bike. Too bad it's about $1,000 too expensive ($9,200) for what it is. I mean, if Triumph can make the Trident for around $8,100, which has more features, then you would think Honda of all companies could sell this for $8,000 flat. At that price point, they would have a clear class leader (tied, of course, with the Triumph Trident 660). But damn, that is still one cool motorcycle! 🤙
@@grumpysquid Rider modes, more compliant suspension, better low-speed fueling, superior OEM rubber (the excellent Michelin Road 5 tires), plus the industry-renowned Triumph build quality and attention to detail (though, to be fair, Honda is known for that as well). ... Oh, and it's over $1,000 less expensive; which, at this price point, is over a 10% difference. Don't get me wrong, the Honda is an awesome bike that I would be more than happy to own. But, if I'm spending my own money, it's the Triumph Trident 660 all day, every day. P.S. - I love the name. "grumpysquid"? Awesome! 😅
So the power on this bike... It's for A/A2 compliance. The regulations state that as long as a restriction takes away no more than 50% of an engine's power, it's legal to restrict to 35kW for A2 compliance. With peak power at the crank fixed at precisely 70kW, Honda can appeal to both the unrestricted and A2 crowd. To that end, I suspect more power could be available with a retune, but that might require more extensive modifications than most of us are willing to carry out.
I got my CB650R last wednesday in "Pearl Smoky Gray" (4 color choices here in Denmark and probably Europe in general). Still in break-in period, but im already super happy with it. Sounds good for a stock exhaust too imo
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I got the same! I absolutely love the exhaust note for the stock system! I'm still in the break-in period too, so I haven't heard it at full chat....yet😁
@@Mr_Jack_Shelby hello Jack. I am Robert from Poland..could you tell me how much this bike takes fuel per every 100 km?? I think about easy drive not as a madman???😀What aboutwith drive it is easy to turn left right? What do u think in general about bike? Comfort, quality and fun when drive....
Yes available in 4 colors in Netherlands 🇳🇱 too 🔥🔥
@@robertbieganski8143 4cyl engines are indeed fun, but they chug gas in any speed. I'm guessing around 18km/l for this. MT-07 is a good alternatives if you care about gas since it's only has 2cyl engine.
You have really developed tremendously as a reviewer Michael, and it's a pleasure listening to you. The way you do the little asides, talking about peripheral stuff like other riders around you etc., shows great confidence in your presentation skills. Keep it up.
So tired of parallel twin hell. they are charging premium prices for budget priced decades old technology. Bring back more 4 cylinders.
MT07 is raw as hell. The most fun motor I’ve ever used.
@Patrick O'Brien The wheel was invented thousands of years ago. Whats your point?
4 cylinders are also decades old.
@@TerraMagnus Right. First Model T Ford used a straight four. twins aren't as refined, and don't rev up to 13-16,000 rpm. Which is the whole point for having a "sport bike". Twins sound like tractors. I'm not spending inline four money for a tractor.
@@jeremymetcalf2502a whole lot of tractors come with four cylinder engines
Petition for MC commute on Trident 660
Just watched it. Check the page
I have had this very black one for a week and i feel more safe on this bike than i did on my previous duke 125. I could not imagine how easy to handle this bike. so easy to maneuver this bike despite being 200 kg. So smooth like a dream. it looks elegant and sophisticated. It is an awesome bike. I hesitated between this and triumph trident but honda won and it was one of the best decisions of my life. But i don`t think it is a beginner bike. If i had started riding with this bike i would have died somewhere in the mountains.
Did you test drive the Trident? I'm in the same boat as you were but wondering how different each one feels (no chance of test drives here for a while). I've seen videos where the Trident is called "more compliant" (with road imperfections, etc.) and others where the Honda is lol. Also that the Trident's brakes are "meh", and others where they are "just as good as the CB's".
@@efrainl They have the same brake and suspension. Both are very compliant. I think when choosing between the bikes your taste your heart and your habit how to ride a bike will decide which one to choose. As for me i like how easy to handle the honda at low rpm and it is fast at low too and above 8000 it gives a thrill. No one can be wrong about these ones.
You jumped directly from 125 to 650? How was it?
I am about to swing from my CB300R to 650R but I am concerned about weight. You say that 200kg are not noticeable during slow speed maneuvers?
@@conViction0000 not at all. Do not worry. The engine is so smooth at low speed so you do not feel the weight of the bike only when you push it.i am 175cm 65 kg and the position is perfect and comfortable
that's what honda it's famous for, i tried a duke 790 nice, and sporty, but my humble cb300r feels more "safe" and easier to handle.
picked up the 2020 model for my first bike. just hit 2000 miles on it. comparing it to my gf's mt-07, this bike is quite muted at low rpms. with that said, the feel of the inline 4 is buttery smooth. as a daily commuter it works VERY well. as a beginner on it, the power to me is very approachable as many newer riders don't get the bike that high in the rev range. with that said, starting from first gear and getting the thing going there is a noticeable torque dip between 3-5.5k rpms. as you get to 6k the power comes on strong. its not bad if you aren't wide open, but it can scare you the first few times you hit it while searching for speed. i found it most notable when down shifting to 4/5 gear and rolling on the throttle on the highway. all in all. very fun first bike. don't need more power. cornering feels good. at 6'1" 175lbs, the ergos are a little tight. suspension is firm but well sorted (MT-07 ride is sponge almost bouncy). tl:dr-good first bike, good forever bike. do recommend.
Would you recommend the CB650R to a complete beginner? Cuz I’ve been debating to either go naked or cruiser type motorcycle. I have already taken a drivers course for both car and motorcycle but still have no experience due to covid and lockdowns. I just watch some tutorials on RUclips and I get the principle of a manual transmission bike, but would you say that the CB650 is good starter bike?
@@athanobnial8254 pros and cons of it. Pros: power is low at lower revs which makes it great for a beginner bike. As you gain experience the higher in the Rev range you get the more character it brings out. Gear box is great. Very stable at speed. Good suspension.
Cons: bike is rather expensive for a first bike. Breaks are aggressive and numb, during panic situations things may get dicey. Due to the tuning, at 6-6.5k rpms the bike acts different. Torque comes on aggressively and can scare you.
Long story short, it's a great bike both for a beginner and experienced rider. Everything on it is solid. Honda reliability and quality. It has a ton of character when you want it. I love it for my first street bike.
I ride mostly on the highway at 70-75 mph. If you do more city riding and keep your speed below 50mph I would suggest another bike. Not that the cb650r can't do it. There are just better bikes for that. Better for gas, torque, fun, comfort.
@@RedRa7Vg3r thanks!! I plan to get it as a first bike just because I can grow into it and still have fun on it compared to starting with an R3 or Duke 390 you could grow into it pretty quickly and later on upgrading to a bigger bike but still forgiving as a beginner rider. Plus having an Inline-4 engine as a first would be cool. Thanks again man!
I love my 2020 :) just rolled over 6,000 miles the other day!! A great daily rider bike IMO.
7:05 he passes horses like it’s an everyday thing but points out every motorcycle 😂
It actually is an everyday thing. During midday seeing horse riders on the side of the road is something quite common actually.
@@BobaFlex636 I’ve lived in many parts of California and even the rural areas this was a rare sight, but I’ll have to take your word for it that people in suburban LA walk their horses down the sidewalk every day.
This is in orange, they have lots of equestrian zoning , as well as neighboring cities like Fullerton Anaheim Yoruba Linda , it’s super common in Orange County
Horse and buggies are pretty common where I live in Ohio
Awesome review of the bike. As an owner of a CB650R you couldn’t have said it better from the clutch feel, brake feel, gear shift, fueling etc and your wheelie attempt looked like one of mine hahaha which makes me somewhat proud of myself.
Love the bike to bits and I think it looks awesome just a bit disappointed that the wheel HP is down to 80-81 compared to the brochure HP figure of 93.
@@kleinbottled79 thanks for the clarification. Yea I’ve always understood there’s a difference at the crank and at the wheel but didn’t expect it to be that much to be honest haha. I guess I learn new things everyday. Thanks again man!
I absolutely love that bike!!!
Picked it up 10 days ago. Still in the break-in period, but already in love! :)
The worst period of owning a bike. 😂
Oh man get over that break in period. Above 8,000rpm it has a different personality.
@@RUBBERNMETAL Already did 400miles from the 600 in 6 days, but now it's around 35F, sooo I'll have to wait a bit. Went for a 150 miles run around 50F, wasn't funny... :D
@@rockafella1690 I like buying used bikes with low miles because of that. so they can eat the fees and break in.
@@xerohun almost there buddy after your first service you’ll be feeling more of that cold wind 😂 can’t imagine riding in that weather I live in a tropical country hot all year, once i rode at 20C which is around 70F, suddenly I can understand what heated grips are for.
For new riders in Europe, I have one (2022 model) restricted to 35kw (euro A2 license, it dynos at around 38 whp when restricted) and it's fine in town and small roads, but once you reach 120 kmh (75 mph) it struggles to pull ahead. It reaches around 160 GPS kmh (100 mph) after a while, and after that it wont really accelerate any more on level ground.
The bike is fantastic, good quality all around, feels nice, sounds good even on the stock can, and looks gorgeous, but using it for traveling while restricted can be a bit frustrating, specially when passing other vehicles on the motorway. Here in Spain most people travel at 120-140 kmh and if you're on the passing lane and someone comes in hot behind you, you sometimes want to get out of the way faster than the bike can accelerate. Also, the seat is awful for long distances.
Got it with the upshift quickshifter, works well abobe ~3.5k RPM.
And yeah, I would still get it, I've done 6000km in 8 months and absolutely love it. Just hold off big travels until you get it de-restricted.
Tested an non-35kw before buing mine. I feel the same issues with the the speed on highway with 35Kw. Here in Switzerland it's limited to 120km/h (ppl go at 130km/h) it's an "smaller" issue depending where your country. I felt more the smaller air intake with the 35kw limitation to be an issue on really slow speeds (I ended putting more gas), after one year of using mine it's no more an issue but I never put in neutral without checking the screen it's to subbtle when you wear motorbike shoes. Do you still have the 35kw kit? or do you finally could remove it?
I’ve got myself one of those two months ago- it is an amazing machine. Love his bike
Considering moving from a frustraingly high maintenance / repair BMW F880R to this fine quality Honda. Thanks for the video!
I have 2020 one, here in Poland, Europe. It's great bike for its price. To all CB users if You are speeding, overtaking put it almost to redline 😉 it's small beast if You keep it over 8500 rpms to 12000 rpms.
Czyli Patryk polecasz ten motor?? Sam go właśnie zamówiłem. I mam nadzieję, że będzie tak jak mówi większość youtuberów, że to dobry motocykl....So Patryk you strongly recommend this bike?I have just ordered it and hope make dreams come true...in your opinion is it a good bike for occasionally traveling ca 300 400 km???
@@robertbieganski8143 bardzo polecam. Musisz się natomiast przyzwyczaić do pozycji, ponieważ jest specyficzna. W zakrętach trzymaj zawsze łokcie luźno poniżej serca bo dużo osób mówiło, że słabo skręca, a wina leżała po stronie kierowników 🥸. Przez pierwsze 3tys km był bardzo twardy w kwestii zawieszenia, potem zachowuje się jak "mały turystyk, który nie jest tak mały jak się wydaje". Osobiście polecam założyć szybkę Givi taką dymioną w kształcie Y, bo przy odpowiednim ustawieniu będziesz leciał nawet 170kmh bez efektu urwania głowy na co cierpi każdy naked. Moje średnie prędkości przejazdowe są zawsze powyżej 130kmh. Po więcej info zapraszamy do grupy CB650R/CBR650R, znajdziesz nas na Fb. Pozdrawiam
@@jerronimo6874 to jest grupa? super)))) pewnie, się do niej zapiszę. Dziękuję Patryk za spostrzeżenia. W sumie to jak zobaczyłem ten motocykl poraz pierwszy to pomyślałem od razu to jest coś dla mnie👍😉
@@robertbieganski8143 👍 pamiętaj, że po dotarciu jak już chcesz kręcić to rozgrzej dobrze olej przed wariowaniem. Mimo dużego doświadczenia jestem ciągle zdziwiony tym co potrafi, mogę porównać go do ktm 990 smt który od 0kmh do 180kmh jedzie idealnie tak samo, a przypomnę że ktm ma ponad 110km. VMAX w CB to zależnie od wiatru 225-245kmh.
@@jerronimo6874 właśnie jestem zaskoczony co potrafi ten silnik na razie po przeczytaniu wielu recenzji z różnych krajów. Oczywiście będę pamiętał żeby pierwsze km spokojnie))tak też robię autem. Nigdy przez pierwsze kilometry nie palę silnika.
Blanked by the fellow Honda rider on the Goldwing. No change there then.
Those parallel headers make me drool every time.
Test road this bike last week. Mind blown by the smoothness and power feel. Buying one next month
You guys need to review the z900rs/cafe - nothing currently sold sounds like it. Kawasaki really outdid themselves with it.
Agree
@Hudson Kylo Creep
I’ve got the 2021 version in red (Europe) and she’s absolutely gorgeous
How much is the price hike from the previous version over there?
Ayinu njn enth venam
Getting mine next month.. can't wait for it!
Nice review. Finding your groove with these, keep it up.
Great review, Michael. I really enjoy all your content plus your effort racing in Moto America.
Thanks for honestly pointing out niggling flaws in shifting, brake numbness & bite, fueling, seat. All issues that some would find annoying in daily use.
Most of that is down to adjusting the controls to you, and putting on better brake pads. Once you do that, I've found for me, the CB is just about the perfect motorcycle.
@@joelohne3559 im on my 2nd year on the CB650, yes you get used to the fueling, but that dosn't mean its good, its still feels abrupt, there is deffo some not smooth on/off throttle going on, also at certain RPM's is like the bike dosn't know if it wants to go forward or stop. I think this can be said for most new FI bikes in general, this Honda is not exception, a custom fuel map would be a great upgrade. Im hearing the the block off plates mod helps quite a bit witht eh on/off feal and also makes it sound better.
I got. 2020 cb300r , first time owner , I had it for a little over a year , I use to for my daily commute to work, and I’m thinking on upgrading with this one , great review
Did you make the upgrade? I got a 2019 cb300r and I'm trying to decide between one of these or the cb600rr
This is the spiritual successor to the 700 Nighthawk S I rocked back in the day. Winding out an in-line 4 is such a joy.
I just sold my Nighthawk S and I'm looking at these for that same experience!
You are a great reviewer. Keep up the good work!
Fellow 2020 cb owner here. When you opened the bike up, you only got a little of its power. This bike's primary power sits near the redline. If you shift too early the midline power loss will eat your takeoff acceleration. Try running through all the gears only shifting at 12k rpm. You'll appreciate its power a lot more.
Exactly, if you want to feel the power this bike gives, don't be short shifting, make it scream!
yeah inline 4 engines needs to rev at redline to give you all its power
Back to wheelie school. Good video😊😊
Driving with the night light on, blinding all other traffic participants. Well done sir.
bruh this guy drives like a maniac! I was so anxious watching this video I couldn't pay attention to what he was saying.
I've had mine now for 2 years. It's still like new from the showroom. You didn't mention the thing that most annoys me about the bike. That is, the vibration after 6,000 rpm. It seems to vary from bike to bike.
Yes I agree the vibration above 6,000rpm is something slightly annoying. But I’ve gotten used to it tho.
I'm always riding mine above 6,000. I think I get what you mean, but I guess I'm not bothered by it. It must different each bike!
I think I heard the 1000 has significant vibes too
@@KB-yj5xp I tried the CB1000R the high rev vibration is not as noticeable. And at those higher revs you’ll be going too fast to think about handlebar vibration anyways 🤣
Never bothers me personally
GORGEOUS bike, but..... I still prefer the red/white/black 2020 Suzuki GSX-S750. Especially with the Honda out pricing it by a good margin.
I've been looking at the GSX-S750 for a second bike too, I love the way the CB looks, but Suzuki makes more sense for me. The most common complaints I hear are usually the looks being a little dated and the halogen headlight but non of those things bother me really, and I've already seen people just stick an LED conversion, and on one of my older bikes I replaced all the incandescent indicators with LED equivalent, popped in a flasher so they don't blink fast and done. So who knows I may just get one unless I get a stupid deal on something else, but I'm in no rush to decide. 😃🏍
@@c0dy1287 same. I'm one of the few that actually loves how the 750 looks. I'm hoping to get a new "old stock" next year as a second bike.
@@christopher7310 I was thinking the same, with my eye on the same color scheme too, hopefully there's still enough floating around 😛.
@@christopher7310 Just bought a brand new one, two weeks ago. It's an amazing bike! With the yoshi exhaust fender eliminator and led headlights + blinkers, it looks really good. I don't think you would regret picking one up.
Glad the GSXS is getting some love!
Riding cb650r as my first bike for 1,5 months. Named her Silk Rocket (Sirukuroketto)
I went with the CB300R for my beginner bike, couldn't be happier.
I think Honda needs to bump this bike up to a 750cc
Honda’s Neo-Sports Café in Bronze & Black, it’s a stunner.
Great review, informative, knowledgeable and interesting.
I recently got my big bike license after riding 250cc and 400cc bikes for years, and I’ve been looking at mid-sized bikes. I’ve limited myself to the Japanese big four because I live in Japan, and the European brands are simply too expensive to make them value for money, whereas the Japanese brands are certainly value for money on the shop floor and in the maintenance garage.
I rode a Honda CB400 Super Bol D’or for a few years, a premium quality, fared in-line four, a super popular bike here in Japan, which sells for around $10,000, so I was immediately interested in the CBR650R. When I went to see one at a local Honda dealer, I remember looking at it for the first time, but then a CB650R in matte jeans blue catching my eye, and, I have to say, I was set aback at how good looking it was. In truth, I don’t think I’d seen such a good looking bike before. It was awesome looking. It made the CBR650R look kind of ordinary, and that’s saying something. So I ended up taking both bikes out for test rides.
The CBR650R seating position is more leaned forward, with it having clip-ons, but not as far forward as super sports bikes. But I was surprised just how sporty the seating position was on the CB650R, too. It’s quite leaned forward for a naked bike, certainly much more so than the MT-07. The engine is certainly more powerful down low than I was led to believe in-line fours generally are. I was getting decent pull from around 4,000 rpm, and shed loads of it from 6,000 - 7,000 rpm, and I was very impressed when I opened it up in the low rev range in 3rd gear. I had to grip the handlebars and brace myself. It really pulled a lot more than I was expecting. These are fast bikes, with decent mid-range torque. Be in no doubt about that. And the scream from those pipes when you let it rip. I’d not bother with an aftermarket pipe, to be honest. These bikes sound fantastic.
I haven’t decided which bike I’m going to buy yet. The 2021 Yamaha MT-07 and 09 or new Tracer 9 haven’t been released here so far, and I won’t decide until I get a look look at them. I wouldn’t buy an MT-07 over a CB650R. The Honda is simply a better bike in terms of build quality, suspension, brakes and looks, and it’s fast enough to have a lot fun on around town. It also blows the MT-07 out of the water in looks. The new MT-09 sand Tracer 9 are a different matter though, with that CP3 engine and their very nice electronics package. Here in Japan, there’s not a lot of price difference between the CB650R and the MT-09, and if you’re not that concerned about the looks, the MT-09 does look like a very sweet bike in comparison.
But if I choose a more sedate riding life, in and around town, with the odd weekend blast in the mountains, I still might go for the CB650R or the CBR650R. When I finally get to see an MT-09 in person and don’t gel with the looks, then I’ll go the Honda route. Fellow riders tell me that I will get bored with the power after a while, and while that might be the case, I doubt it, and there’s no chance I’ll get bored with the styling. These bikes are beautiful. There is simply nothing in the mid-range category that comes close to them in styling, in my opinion of course. I’m just sorry you guys in the US can’t get the matte jeans blue or the red options for the 2021 models. They’re the two best colours by far.
Fellow Japanese rider here!
Limited myself also to Japanese brands.
Had a MT-25 for 2 years and half and just ordered a blue CB650R. The bike is sooo beautiful as you said.
Your CB400 must have been super fun to ride. That Vtec is quite unique and so pleasant to the hear. I also think 400cc is really good for the narrow roads of Japan.
The MT-07 is something I never envisioned because the bike is everywhere in Europe (where I come from) so I didn't want to come here I'm Japan and have the same bike as everyone from my country lol.
But also the engine of the CB seems more tame. The CP engine is fun but I don't want a wheelies machine as it doesn't fit my style.
The only issue of the CB is the fuel consumption which is quite high due to being a revving I4.
Anyway have fun!
Very nice review and thanks for your time. God Bless. I think I am going to buy one soon after I get my license.
Love my 2020!
That didn't sound like a glowing endorsement: questionable low-speed fuelling, inexact clutch bite-point, difficult to modulate brakes and an iffy seat. Against that, it's great looking and well-made and it's a Honda. Maybe someone could put me straight if I got the wrong impression. I was hoping for some more tangible improvements for 2021 to get closer to the Aprilia for instance. Good review as always. Thanks guys.
Like I mentioned to another commenter, if you adjust the controls and put better brake pads on this bike it will feel much better. As far as the fueling, I have a 2020 and have not noticed any problems with that. Alot of times in these reviews, some of the problems that are discussed are just adjustment issues. With the seat, this is the only motorcycle I have no problem with the stock seat, but everyone is different. I would suggest a test ride to find out how this bike feels to you. I sure Love mine.
Thanks for an owner's perspective, appreciated.
My grandson has the 2023 cbr1000. what a bullet bike. not comfy to me.
I own a 2019 and an ecu reflash and tires fixed all the gripes I had with the bike. The stock tires were garbage and never gave me confidence in riding the bike. The ecu reflash woke the bike up completely. The emissions in my opinion almost ruined a great bike.
What tires are you running? I’m about to take my oems off
@@toofastnobrakes pirelli angel gt’s. Incredible tires and they last a long time
@@huntrusso 👍
How is the ON/OFF throttle feel now after the ECU flash compared to stock ?
Love the clutchless upshifts!
Does it have a quickshifter?
@@masakimclellan9682 no i dont think so.
Good beginner bike like the 125?
Honda always make great bike'S
Brilliant review sir. Splendid machine too 😎🔥
Really love that bike bro.. Ride safe to you ✌️
Is the torque dip everyone complained about in the 2019 variant still there?
Great vid,pick my new Honda up tomorrow whoo hoo 😀
I miss the old Honda Cbf 600N.......Now THAT was a bike!!
Slap on a bagster comfort seat on this, a Moriwaki exhaust and you have a bike that's pretty hard to beat.
Good review thanks can you do the CB500F
How Good is it as everyday use bike, riding it in the city?
Cb650r vs trident 660 which is better 🤔
As a CB650R owner I’d probably say the trident altho I’ve never ridden it but I’d still go for the CB650R as it looks classier and more grown up. Oh Honda reliability and dependability too.
Both great but Triumph is known to make unreliable bikes. Worse than Harleys. For that reason alone, I'd get CB650R. CB650R looks way better anyways imo.
@@JK-yu8hj I've thought about a speed triple but I didnt know that about triumph.
Hello there friend!
What's up?
It looks great, and what a great video.
I'm 5'7. Do you think that this Bike will fit perfect for me?
Good beginner bike or too premium?
When will 2022 cb650r be announced and available to order in North America?
It reminds me of my 2006 CB600f. The European Hornet. Only way more expensive.
I know this comment is out of place here, but could we see more of such “beginner” bikes..
Mainly the 2021 KTM 390 Duke as I'm considering it as my first motorcycle.. Hope it comes through✌🏾.
love this channel
This is a nice bike.
Great review. Greetings from Poland
Honda, the Maytag of motorcycles
Is the 2019 the same as the 2021 or 2022? I found a new 2019 left over model for sale
In my country, online it’s available in red, grey, blue and black.
Nice ride brother
Great bike for a second bike if you looking to move up from your game.
Ride safe
I planned on buying this bike, but my only issue is seat and seat size. Seems to me that this is exclusively one-person bike. Any feedback on riding with passenger (avg size) on this bike? Both wife and I are 177 cm (5 ft 10).
i can't speak explicitly to the cb650r, but I own a cb500. Obviously not the same, but the chassis should be similar. I'm 6'2 and my wife is 5'6 and she fits fine on the back.. I imagine a passenger would fit fine on this bike although not comfortably for more than an hour or two
I own a 2019 and the wife does not like riding on the back. She said it was very uncomfortable
I could not imagine riding 2 up on mine.
@@huntrusso Have you considered maybe talking to one of those marriage counsellors? ;)
I am looking at this bike to upgrade from a CBR 500R. How is the power jump coming from a 47HP bike? Does it power wheelie easily in first? Is first gear as short as it is on the 500?
Love this bike. Really wish they would update the instrument cluster to a TFT display. As is, might as well not even be there for day riding, can’t read anything!
Waiting to get my CB650R in blue.
I ordered it 2 weeks ago and you say the 2021 is all black??
Sure it's not just the cb1000r who only comes in all black spec ?
Is it similar as 2019 version in terms of riding? Or big difference as it has BFF showa
I have a '21 Rebel 300 that has the same issue with trying to go slow and it surges all over the place. Bike is getting sold, can't stand it. I'm sad to hear it's a company thing and not just one model. I really like these CB's
You mentioned your height but not your inseam. I’m 5’8” with a 29” inseam, I think I would be fine with the CBR. I had the F4i for several years and liked it very much.
I’m right about your height…
would you consider it to be heavy? I know it’s a bit heavier compared to it’s peers… could you share your thoughts on that? I’m edging to buy this but I get insecure sometimes thinking about it’s weight
Just picked up this bike on Saturday. Where is the 12v socket supposedly able to charge my phone?!
Awesome bike. I believe that’s under the back seat near the fuse box. I have a 2020 model so mine doesn’t come equipped with but I’ve seen on Facebook group discussions about the socket. Check it out.
Afaik it's supposed to be a usb-c under the seat
@@bansh3ee I really don't see it. Can someone show me exactly where
Would this be too much as a first bike?
Idk why I always keep coming back to the cb650r🥲, even though I work at a KTM/Aprilia dealership 🤷🏾♂️ handlebars & 90-100 hp is all I want tbh, beats riding a 1000cc sport bike everyday like I do now 🥲
The RS 660 ain't no sledge
Winding out an ultra-smooth 4 cylinder is such a joy. And this is enough bike without being stoopid powerful.
“let’s open this bad boy up”
did you shift without clutching once or twice there? is that a thing??
Clutchless upshift, just let off the throttle fast and get back on while your foot has upward pressure on the shift lever, shifts smooth
Petition for MC commute on Yamaha MT 15
Why only in black ?! I bought it 3 days ago, still in preparation at the dealership. I got it in blue though, did I got bamboozled and it’s not the 2021 model ?
you must not live in the u.s. if you do live here you are the only person with a blue one. congrats!!!!
Quick shifter?
This is not a beginner bike. It requires a lot of experience to operate.
2 colours available in India. This and a one with red tank. Red looks amazing.
What does neutral comfortable mean?
Is this good for someone who's over 6 ft?
How’s this as a starter bike for a 6’1” person?
Does this bike have a quickshifter? Why is he not using a clutch?
Which gloves are those 🔥🔥??
No Michael it's not nice.... Nice.... It's good job Honda. Where is Adam?
11:20 Do you mean that the friction zone is in a different area than in a typical motorcycle? or that the friction zone changes, preventing you from remembering where it is located?
friction zone doesn't change. maybe because the lever is so light (which most people including me like) you can't feel it from the lever asobviously as one feels on other bike. I don't see a problem, you can get used to it and it's comfortable.
i am totally in love with this motorcycle and its so tampting to finally get my licence and start enjoying life little bit ;)
and due to my age of nearly 30 y.o. i think its great starting bike. Only concerns are not quite friendly price and if this bike wont be too small for me when im nearly 6.2... any experience from somebody with same high?
Look at Yammie Noob's channel, Spite is 6'4"
do a trackday around laguna seca with the goldwing
Wait i thought these were 94 HP? Or the european specs are different?
I really like your review, we've just got our one. I'm not that experienced even though I have had my bike licence since 2011. I think this is a great intermediate bike to get confidence without being too intimidating. My only other bikes prior to that was a 250 kawasaki ninja 250R (2008/2009)and a kawasaki (2016) erf650. This definitely feels like a step up but not too big. So pleased with it so far. Does anybody know where the usb port is under the seat? I can't seem to locate it?
That is one handsome bike. Too bad it's about $1,000 too expensive ($9,200) for what it is. I mean, if Triumph can make the Trident for around $8,100, which has more features, then you would think Honda of all companies could sell this for $8,000 flat. At that price point, they would have a clear class leader (tied, of course, with the Triumph Trident 660). But damn, that is still one cool motorcycle! 🤙
What features does the Trident have that this doesn’t ?
@@grumpysquid Rider modes, more compliant suspension, better low-speed fueling, superior OEM rubber (the excellent Michelin Road 5 tires), plus the industry-renowned Triumph build quality and attention to detail (though, to be fair, Honda is known for that as well). ... Oh, and it's over $1,000 less expensive; which, at this price point, is over a 10% difference. Don't get me wrong, the Honda is an awesome bike that I would be more than happy to own. But, if I'm spending my own money, it's the Triumph Trident 660 all day, every day.
P.S. - I love the name. "grumpysquid"? Awesome! 😅
Is the CB650R worth it over something like the bigger GSX-S750 ?
Depends if your on tbe highway alot
Fantastic video!! But.... you're riding with your full beams on😬....that was irritating 😂😂😂
Full beams on is law in CA
So the power on this bike... It's for A/A2 compliance. The regulations state that as long as a restriction takes away no more than 50% of an engine's power, it's legal to restrict to 35kW for A2 compliance. With peak power at the crank fixed at precisely 70kW, Honda can appeal to both the unrestricted and A2 crowd. To that end, I suspect more power could be available with a retune, but that might require more extensive modifications than most of us are willing to carry out.
SANA ALL!!
For this types of bike triples and twins are the way to go ✌️
Exactly, torque is where these shine....