Review - The Sun Also Rises (Ernest Hemingway) Summary, Analysis, Interpretation and Book Review
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- Опубликовано: 12 дек 2016
- December is our celebration of accomplishments, so we decided to treat ourselves to some Hemingway to kick things off.
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I very much enjoyed this discussion! But two points confused me, and here they are:
* How come Adrian and Dalton don't notice that the book is all about sexual impotence (which is a metaphor for the Lost Generation)? It's clear that Jake got his ***k shot off during the war, which explains his whole frustrating relationship with Brett and particularly his statement at the end, "Isn't it pretty to think so?" Jake can never "do the deed," which explains his entire outlook on life. His inability to satisfy a woman also explains the focus on steers (castrated bulls), the manliness of bullfighting and bullfighters, and the constant boozing to forget his wound. (Hemingway himself was injured in the war, and very nearly lost his own potency.)
* The reason Jake and his friends can live as they do in France and Spain, slowly drinking themselves to death in the process (their bar tab alone is downright astronomical), is that Europe's economy was wrecked after the war, and they can all live very comfortably and take elaborate vacations on the dollars their parents fork over to them. It's sort of like living in Mexico or in places like Madagascar or rural India today. Were it not for the strength of the dollar, none of them would be living in Paris, which today is a fabulously expensive city.
Spot on!
totally agree
Thanks for sharing! Definitely agree
what???? oh my god i missed that (his wound)
My god, in a world where BookTube is filled to the brim with cliche YA reviewers, I'm glad channels like this exist.
I definitely saw Cohn as a less masculine character. He avoids conflict. He takes a lot of shit from the other characters and doesn't react until he is pushed too far. And saw Brett as the aggressor as you put it and the alpha in the group. Which was a pretty controversial position for a female character the time is was written. She even talks about how Romero wanted her to grow her hair out to appear more feminine and she basically laughed in his face. Also the way she openly talks about her sexual desires as a woman. One of my favourite quotes from the book was when Brett was watching the bullfight and Jake told her to look away but instead of fainting at the sight of such violence, she is entranced by it and says "Funny, how one doesn't mind the blood." I can picture there an extreme close up of her face with the scene of the bloody bullfight reflecting in her dark eyes with a smile upon her face. The bullfight being symbolic of the fights between the men over her.
That's how I saw it as well, granted I haven't read it in full for 15 years.
I enjoyed your review. But I always thought Hemingway's male characters were people who could not change. And in that inability is where Hemingway generated tragedy. The readers can see where change is required or the mistake is made, but the male characters can’t see it for themselves and therefore suffer. Not changing can also be heroic when you stick to your guns - like a John Wayne movie. So Hemingway could use the inability for male characters to change in either vein, which he does.
The story is about chasing the wind (Ecclesiastes) and the pursuit of living and enjoying the present, despite everything that is fleeting (drink, love, bull fights, etc). Hemingway pulled all the titles from Ecclesiastes - which explains the "lost generation," that he was living in. Direction less and wandering in the pursuit of pleasure. When I read this book I hear a philosopher who happens to be a journalist, writing a story that captured what I mentioned above.
Discontentment runs in all of us. What makes this novel stand out is not the time it is written in. The relevancy of this novel is the life we all experience to some degree or another - pascal I believe said all men seek happiness - as humans we are all seeking this. In the end we may just find ourselves agreeing with Hemingway or better yet, agreeing with the writer of Ecclesiastes that all is a pursuit of the wind, but enjoy the moment you have, because there's a season for everything.
Great review, guys. You got into some nice dense topics with substance to have a good dialectic. This made me push Hemingway onto my reread list for winter break.Thanks, A & D. .
Genuinely loved watching you guys discuss the book so passionately, exploring both the things you liked and didn't like as well as an analysis. Loved it!
You're just really, really good at this, you know that, right?
I need this in my life right now immediately. Just like every book you ever review.
Just found this channel. Absolutely love the comments made about this novel! Keep up the great work fellas!
Only just started viewing your videos, I really enjoy the format of these and your insights into literature!
I’m so glad you guys touched on the topic masculinity and femininity in Hemingway’s characters. Very interesting to hear this discussion. Great job guys! Love your content.
I would love to see more book reviews from this generation. I just finished This Side of Paradise by Fitzgerald and I would love to see a review of that
Dante Gonzalez Thanks. We're working g through some Faulkner now and we've got a bit of Fitz sometime in the next couple months as well.
I read that final line very differently. "We could have had such a good time together" (not verbatim) is referring to Jake's impotence. But, from what we've seen, their lives wouldn't be much different if Jake could perform sexuality--or, as evinced by the experiences of the other characters, their lives would probably have been worse than they currently are. "It's pretty to think so" is the best Jake can muster. It's all a sad state of affairs. I don't understand why you guys think Brett's words are referring to the bullfighter. Am I missing something?
I think it is because of the policeman in khaki raising his baton, which is a similar pose to a bullfighter and the car then starting forward.
I haven't ever read anything by hemingway - and now I have his collection in a leatherbound edition at home, only thanks to you ;)
Cohn was definitely a shy whimpy character; he was following Brett like a puppy, he had no guts, he fought and then was repulsed ,
I really enjoyed the review! Literally just finished the book, and yours was the first review I clicked on. I know it's been a while, but I do hope you keep making these. Cheers fellas!
Thanks for being here. If you're interested, there's a read-along Playlist for Hemingway's short stories on the channel too.
That was incredible. Great job guys
The last chapter of this novel is an absolute stunner
That was a dense review. Talking point after talking point. I sure enjoyed that one. Just spend half hour watching youtube, but in the case of your videos I don't feel guilty - not even a little bit. I always squeak like a little girl, whenever I see Papa's review by you... but internally, so it's very graceful and all that... Can't wait for the moment you two will tuckle "For whom the bell tolls". [contact terminated]
I had to read this book in high school but at the time I really missed out on it. You make me want to give it another chance! I like what you all are doing!!!
God damn. Dalton OWNED this video
Dalton gets excited about Hemingway
This review was jam packed. Good stuff.
I think about the guys "being chummy" as you put it, I don't think it has much to do with homosexuality, it is just how men act when their defences are down, in public we put up a hard masculine front, but in company we can trust, we are more open. It's just a bromance effect I think.
You are also definitely right about women in Hemingway, they are destroyers of worlds and reapers of all that is wrong.
We'll have to film a bromance fishing trip when the Midwest thaws out this Spring.
Thank you soooo much. I love this review
Love this! I hated the book, but seeing you guys take a deep dive into it made me think deeply about it.
Just stumbled upon your channel recently and have already binge watched a ton of your reviews! Great stuff! Hopefully you’ll get the chance to review A Moveable Feast one day soon!
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Great review. A steer is a castrated bovine male. If I'm not mistaken, during the war, Jake lost a key piece of his equipment.
I'm not an expert by any stretch. but the way in which mike's bankruptcy doesn't affect his monetary position in the novel seems to me to speak to the change in the global financial market. from trusting in the objective worth of gold and trade goods, to the hypothetical worth of companies, which picked up traction in the 20's
Interesting point, i didnt know that. Thanks for the comment.
superb discussion!
Appreciate it!
Goddamn. That was brilliant. Well done, lads.
Thanks!
you guys are so cute ♥️ loved so much you two did this together, feels so intelectual haha
Brett was definitely the masculine character of this story idk how that went over his head
Brett called the shots. No pun attended.
Nice dalek.
I tried to read this book a couple years ago, but I realized that bull fighting was a big chunk of it, and I was like "Eh... nah." But I might try it again.
Completely unrelated, but every time I hear someone mention Hemingway, especially The Sun Also Rises, I think of the scene from "10 Things I Hate About You" where Kat says that Hemingway was "He was an abusive, alcoholic misogynist who squandered half of his life hanging around Picasso trying to nail his leftovers." and it makes me chuckle every time.
You guys are great, I vibe with the guy on the left though for sure.
Yep, the money thing was bothering me so much. Especially at the end, when he declares he has only 20 francs left or something and then pays for the car, takes the train, then books the hotel, then eats in the restaurant, then takes another train back to Madrid, pays the taxi, again goes to a restaurant with Bred... All that with extra tips for ppl. Like wtf is going on.
Johny Titor? THE Johny Titor? Surely you've been to the 20s by now to experiment with how the currency flows.
No money….but had money….was to cause, possibly,, towards a constant sympathy for the guy ?
No money is all relative. No money is not no money. It's no money.
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I think you guys need to read Hemingway in Love by A.E. Hotchner to better understand this book. You will also figure out how he travels and does all of these things while he is broke.
I feel you have missed Hemingway’s main point: what becomes of masculinity in the era of the Great War?
That question is extremely relevant today. You speak well, but the review is fatally flawed thus.
Great video hit that like button people !!!
I love this novel. ❤️
Not me.
He's never unpleasant to absorb, though quite droll.
You two are clearly conflicted lovers.
These places were cheap to live in at this rime because they were destroyed during WW1. And there are still expats that have a similar lifestyle but now in different places. An example but certainly not the only one is Chiang Mai, Thailand.
Do you thank the lost generation is more relatable now...after covid. I just re-read this novel and it booked me over in parts and 6 years ago I would have just shuck my head...it seems book tube is more favorable to hemingway then it was 6 years ago.
A novel about a harlot ( Brett), jake - a drifter and the rest dirt bags.
I'm two-thirds of the way into the book, and there's a part of me that wants to hate what I call the "travelogue" aspects of The Sun Also Rises, because he keeps pulling me away from character development and plot; however, I find that I can't despise it, simply because when Hemingway gets mega-descriptive about roads, and roofs, and hills in the distance, and plateaus, and cafés that are bustling with energy well into the night, and city boulevards that beckon you to walk, and so forth, I feel like I am experiencing all of it firsthand, and it enhances what the characters are experiencing-Jake particularly, since it is he who narrates it all. When Jake arrives in Pamplona, for instance, and he interacts with the fat woman who runs the inn or Montoya, the owner of the establishment, who is enamored with all things bullfighting-related, the novel feels vivid and compelling to me, loaded with thoughts and feelings and desires and disappointments, and such. Yes, the characters drink ("get tight") a LOT! But it's part of the world-weary chasing after the wind, trying to grasp it as it eludes you (the novel's title is based on Ecclesiastes 1, which is a depressing observation of how everything changes, yet it all simply repeats that which has already been done). The details Hemingway provides about Basque peasants, for instance, are eye-opening! I think Hemingway is a brilliant writer, unlike any other. Keep in mind that the novel is a roman à clef: the characters are based on real people in Hemingway's inner circle of intellectual friends, so there are aspects about Hemingway himself which we encounter through and through, albeit in a roundabout, fantastical manner.
I think your whole discussion on Cohn is missing a very essential element: the man was Jewish, and so an outsider; he was never quite one of them, no matter how hard he tried (although, in some ways, like how he would never drink, he held a kind of superior demeanor to the other men--I would say, in many a way, he was superior, smarter, just not emotionally logical).
Come on! Jake is the steer. (A neutered male). He tries to make a herd from a collection of drunks and broken people. (Like the steers get the bulls to join the herd). AND at the end, Bret wishes her relationship with Jake could have worked out ( not the matador). But it couldn’t because Jake is impotent from his war injury and Bret needs an sexual partner.😢
Nailed it!!
Today, Soldiers return home scared emotionally and physically but attempt to face life on their own terms. Fifty years post WWII; 1953, Korean War; 1967, Vietnam; Iraq-Kuwait ; USSR-Afghans; Syria.It continues with sacrificial lambs of lost generations; for what?
IF a book is a strain on your mental gymnastics, you can hold it against a book.
You guys a giving Hemingway a lot of credit for simply describing ( poorly) situations that he saw or were involved in. Recall he committed suicide.
It eludes to the idea that Mike borrows a lot of his money which I'm assuming he never pays back
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Today soldiers return home scarred emotionally and physically facing life on their own terms. Fifty years after WWII, 1953 Korean War;1967 Vietnam; 7-Day Palestine-Israeli 1969; 1973 Bombing of Lebanon; 1979 USSR occupation of Afghanistan; recently, Iraq/Kuwait; now Syria are still returning home survivors. This plot repeats..adding to the continued lost generations of sacrificial lambs... When ..? will it stop..?
It will never stop. It is human nature- the free will of man. To dream of a utopian perfected world by man's hand is not only self-indulgent but foolhardy. Instead devote time to healing those in need rather than flailing against reality; it is hubristic.
With time I learned to hate Cohn more and more, especially for the fact that he didn't get knocked out
Hemingway was not gay. They're is such a thing as positive masculinity.
A steer is a bull.
Brantley Moore a castrated one , actually
@@ahmedabdelmagid3109 Who are used to keep the crowd of bulls calm, but sometimes get bored themselves
Just two bears yakking about books
You didn't mention the first scene with Brett where she comes in with a bunch of gay guys, and Jake really does not like them. Brett likes being able to get blotto drunk around them without worry of being sexually assaulted.
I liked all but the ending. I think modern audiences aren’t able to relate to this story. I can see it making sense to people of that era but it doesn’t age well.
I thought Cohn was impotent ? That’s how I viewed the entire book.
Anyways, I agree with the guy on the right. A lot of fluff.
You didn't like it but you gave it 86% ??
50 %
What does urinary analysis have to do with disguised simplicity?
With your understanding of the subtext I don't see how you didn't find this work fantastic?
"Gradually then suddenly."
Lost me when you kept talking about how this is cliche Hemingway, and continued to thread comments like, "peak Hemingway," and "typical Hemingway." It's his first book. Maybe his best book. To suspend a book's cons on the expectations of later work of an author is so dismissive. I feel like you guys completely overlooked the social psychology and telling inflection paved throughout the book. IE the way Brett fucks with Jake and the men around him in mundane pieces of dialogue. There really isn't much fluff in this book at all, especially not in part one. Part one concedes with the ugly truth that Brett is deceptive and outwardly so. Much like 1980s' successor to Hemingway's style, Less Than Zero, The Sun Also Rises uses repetitive and plaintive dialogue to underline the dissonance in these character's ways of thinking and living, and the way people psychologically battle in the name of ego and pride all the time. Even odder about your review is your lack of focus on these character's motivations with alcoholism. I really enjoyed your play back with each other about Cohn though. Lots of interesting points, but I feel you guys completely looked over the intentions in character's statements. The dialogue tagging really isn't that difficult. You can recognize the patterns of certain characters well enough.
I think it was cool you guys pointed out the homosexuality presumptions thrown at Hemingway. Something purported of a lot of authors who show platonic male intimacy. The best authors are honest.
Also, the bankrupt of today would definitely run their credit further down the drain through expensive vacations and frivolous lifestyles. There's plenty of people in my generation who do so in chase of romantic social media lives.
For me, it was not an entertaining book. A story of a generation that has too much little in common.
OMG aren't you having fun with this book. So much BS
This book has no plot and no believable characters, especially the women. What irked me so was the blatant anti-semitism that starts on page 1 for no reason. More importantly, what is the deep understanding we're supposed to get out of this novel?
Terrible review, I read the book in 3 days and got a lot out of it.
3 day vacation somewhere exotic ? Then I could see getting a lot out of it.
This is a terrible book. Very , very bad. Should not have been publishable.
Guys make a review on james joyce's dubliners
I'm actually working on a read-along now. I have The Sisters and An Encounter already shot.