It’s still CRAZY to me how HBO thought it was an ok idea to: reshoot, rewrite, recompose an 80% finished show for a million more dollars all bc of it received very vague criticism of it “ falling too much into the female perspective” 😟…from only one person….
Remember in Euphoria when it's said Maddie had sex for the first time with a guy who was about forty but "she was in control the whole time"? The ending of The Idol feels a lot like that. I truly wonder if Sam Levinson thinks he's doing something "feminist" by doing stuff like this but he's really REALLY not.
I agree with your comparision. He is pointing out how women use their sexuality to get what they want while appearring innocent and weak. I don't think he is a feminist though.
HBO should honestly re-hire Amy Seimetz and let her create the series it was intended to be without this cast. Call it like The Icon and bring in Jennifer Coolidge. There. You’re welcome HBO. I made you money.
From what I’ve heard from people reading the original script, her version of the show was really good and had nuance. The Sam Levinson version isn’t even a good satire.
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS I watched a few videos on this show and from what I have gathered, the idea is honestly so good. I would love to see a show about the struggles of a woman trying to stand out in Hollywood while everyone around her is trying to take advantage and be in control of her image and work! I won't lie I was pretty pumped about this show and now I'm disappointed :/
Probably the scariest thing to come out of all of this is that The Weeknd is really trying to pursue an acting career. Hes literally going to be the main character in a film he co wrote and produced with JENNA ORTEGA. I'm scared for her and all our eyes when it eventually comes out
Jenna is on record saying that the script "intrigued her and knew she had to get on it right away" this one's going to be a psychological thriller so maybe it'll deliver
@@societycrumbles “all these??” lily is his only co-star so far and she’s 24 years old. Jenna is not playing his love interest in the movie. She’s reportedly playing a psyophathic, obsessed fan who stalks a famous singer in what is supposed to be a dark thriller
@@nickalem5692 because obsessed fans are never depicted to feel sexually atracted to their idols. Even when underage... I mean, I'm not supporting the theory that "he has a type" with underage women, because like you said, his only co-star so far is 24 years old, but he is the producer and writer of only two projects so far and both of them are about a female unreasonably obsessing over him to the point of adoration. And I find THAT part worrying. There have been projects like this so far, but... The only two you have ever made? Subsequently?????
The thing I hated the most about this is that Abel couldn’t handle not being the center of attention once in the series It just shows how egotistical he is
You know ever since the article about the production, I have not listened to any of the Weeknd's work. After this video I'm satisfied with that decision. It's clear he had influence over how this show ended up, and from what you've described... ew
most of his music has the same sleazy messages but for the longest time i thought it could've easily been a character, the same way nicki minaj had roman. then this show comes out and he straight up says that they rewrote it because a story about a woman in the music industry had "too much of a female perspective" and i think that i'm not going to listen to his stuff anymore.
I think if they had actually made Tedros another musician it would make a lot of sense. Jocelyn is the sweet pop idol and he's the darker, edgier artist and as the two become entangled, everyone realizes that Tedros is not only an idol, but a leader to a group of devotees and when Jocelyn realizes how dangerous he is, its too late to get out and her and the team would have to figure out how to separate them and expose his past so that his fanbase would turn on him and his relationship with Jocelyn would dissolve, leaving her as the true "Idol" while also giving us a complex and dangerous story. But no let's justake Tedros some loser that Jocelyn has been toying with from the start because Sam Levinson is such a visionary 🙄
The ending was absolutely horrible and it made no sense at all. Why would Jocelyn want Tedros back after she had her Team literally destroy his entire life??? Jocelyn calling Tedros the love of her life was so creepy and disturbing. Jocelyn and Tedros are both despicable characters. THE IDOL WAS A HORRIBLE SERIES. REALLY HORRIBLE.
Hate the fact that Jocelyn became this mastermind manipulator and Tedros is portrayed as this victim who is betrayed by the woman he loved most in the world bs. I guess that's Sam Levinson and The Weeknd's idea of female empowerment, women are evil manipulative and toxic men are just poor victims
@@dextermoore278 Not by getting back with him, but by destroying him. She wanted him, he was her muse and a replacement for her mother who was once her muse, but Tedros thought he had all of the power, and Joss showed him undeniably that she was the one with all the power. The act of destroying him also put her management in place. She needed to make them believe that they were in a place of power. Destroying Tedros also achieved that. But the fact of the matter was that Joss loved Tedros and loved what he inspired within her, she wanted him, but he needed to be put in his place! This story is a lot about vying for power, who has it, how they maintain it, and how it is wielded by different people in different dynamics.
@@WNT2BLV That's still not a good reason. Did you see HER ENTIRE TEAM SCREAMING AT HER? WONDERING WTF TEDROS WAS DOING THERE? THEY GOT RID OF TEDROS BECAUSE JOCELYN TOLD THEM TO. It was just shitty writing and a bad story.
@@katrinamack444Eh, not inherently. There are massive fandoms for extremely mid series like Harry Potter, so I wouldn’t take it as an indicator of writing quality. It’s more so how likeable/enjoyable a piece of fiction is, to which the idol is flaming shit that nobody wants to touch.
Based on Sam Levinson’s recent film discography you could just tell he hates the me-too movement and feminist film critic. Like really another show where abused women become the villains. He’s really showing his hand here 😑
Love your review. I really hope your cat feels better!! Edit: One thing I was expecting, due to the Weeknd and Levinson, is not only that Tedros wouldn't be seen as that bad in the end, but that Jocelyn was the more manipulative one and somehow actually in control the whole time, you know, because misogyny. I wish I wasn't right.
The implication I'm hearing about this is that Jocelyn was the true villain the whole time! Because that's a great message, saying victims will use their trauma for power and clout. Also this is especially fucked up when it's obvious Britney Spears was the inspiration for the Jocelyn character. Beyond that this was apparently Anne Heche's last role and they just cut every scene with her. Like I know she plays the abusive mom but wtf.
my favorite part is how they just let rob be framed and completely abandoned this storyline after 20 business minutes 😭😭😭 also we conveniently forgot that it was implied that tedros groomed chloe who was revealed to be a minor??
no the way it added nothing to the story at all lmao. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume sam really thought they were getting a second season the way he followed up on nothing.
Two things that make me happy. 1. Only two RUclipsrs that I watch have watched the show and summarized it 2. Even though the summary doesn’t replace the show it still highlights all the reasons I wouldn’t wanna watch it The weekend saying don’t listen to them and his response to everything doesn’t help the way he thinks it would
Also is it just me or does it feel like sam levinson tried to pull a "good for her" bit by making jocelyn the "true" manipulator in the series? Idk i just feel like it doesnt work when we as an audience have seen that everyone around her really is just exploiting and abusing jocelyn for their own gain.
12:22 I CANNOT believe how much my heart is being spoken right now. Sex on TV is so boring and souless like it is in mainstream straight p*rn, all this slapping and choking and simulated violence in general is just so pretentious, fake, has zero emotional value or development attached to it, only a pathetic implication of artificial dominance and a display of insecureness in masculinity. It is meaningless, corny and played out, and still it seems to be what straight men consider 'trendy'? Barf
Omg you actually finished it? I couldn't get pass episode 2. Here's a cookie for your service 🍪 lol. Truly i love your media commentary. PS: Hope your cat gets better!
From the first episode it gave me the impression that this is an ego project for Lilly Rose Depp, Abel and Sam Levinson. Sam Levinson loves to be over the top and exploitative, especially with violence, manipulation, toxicity sexual scenes and nudity, Abel has the same thematic past with his music and they both love to be artsy fartsy and edgy so it felt to them like a match made in Heaven. Film and music by Abel and he also get’s to act and produce. Lilly has benefited massively from being a nepo baby in all industries especially in fashion, the place were people hailed her as a edgier Chanel girl and generally edgy, which she totally bought into. I remember her almost playing the same sort of character as in edgy but snarky in the ego nepotism daddy project Yoga Hosers. I mean I was not even suprised that these 3 individuals created and promoted such a “masterpiece”. A wasted potential, a wasted talented cast behind them, all wasted. Is it any wonder the first female director was booted? They are living their fantasies through this show but it’s not even close to enough to make it a decent show.
Kayla's description of the Corporate (TM) sex scenes reminds me of the 90s trend of NC-17 thrillers like Basic Instinct and its imitators (Madonna's Body of Evidence being the nadir), which were just schlocky and embarrassing. I wonder if that was the inspiration...
Basic Instinct was an influence for The Idol. I can't remember if it was Sam or Abel that said that. I also think Basic Instinct is directly mentioned in an episode.
To me the whole show is nothing but a F* boy fantasy! And clearly the weekend is that fboy , I although I love his music but his personality is A NO for me 😬
The Weeknd stans are running all over the internet trying to convince everyone this is 2023's Breaking Bad. Did he send them special glasses to watch a different show than we did? I'm a HUUUGE fan of his music but gaww damn, this is one of the worst tv shows I've ever seen.
Jocelyn turned out to be a very mean, unstable and uncaring person. She should have defended Rob against the SA charges. She knew that Tedros set up Rob and Rob genuinely cared about her.
She isn't a good person. She used Rob, then didn't care when he was in trouble. She was hurt that he cheated on her, even though it was her idea for an open relationship. People felt sorry for her at the beginning of the show. She was being exploited, taken advantage of after her abusive mom's death. By the end we see she's worse than any of them. Don't judge a book by the cover.
I think she didn’t defend him because she was already associated with bad press. So a public statement would mix her name with a rape case while she’s about to release the S&M style pop music, lol
I'm guessing with the end, they wanted to imply that our expectations regarding Jocelyn were all wrong and that she was always in control of the situation and was playing on Tedros' need to feel in charge femme fatale style. Not super into that choice, but it's the one that makes sense. And from a business perspective, I get wanting to end season 1 of a show with something where you have more room to develop stories if you get picked up for more seasons, but if you don't, then you're not stuck with a massive cliffhanger that relies on the story continuing for it to feel complete.
I honestly think they just wanted to make her respectable and "cool" in their eyes. Like "not only did she enjoy everything she was put through but she's also strong and not a victim". I think this because The Weeknd sings about a similar caricature in some songs from his album Trilogy, and in those songs its the only type of girl he seems to respect or get his heart broken by or whatever.
this whole show has been a complete gross nonsensical dumpster fire and not even a skeleton of the original premise. but them inserting this "false allegations ruins careers" propaganda into the finale and that absurd fake deep vague meaningless ending which people have interpreted as jocelyn being "the real villain" is literally next level devilishness. i need the original plot to leak so for one we can see what the original premise was and so we can see how much those 2 nasty men ruined the show for everyone involved.
Yes, there are so many more or less subtle misogynistic and overall harmful messages in this series ... I need a youtuber to sum them all up, like, so many people don't get it and think "It's just a story with fictional characters" but it's supposed to reflect the actions and experiences of real people in real life to some extend.
I'll always appreciate The Weeknd's music, but he should have just stayed mysterious. Release music and disappear from the public eye, it worked for him. Now I can't see him the same way.
The viewership of this show is so impossibly bad, and they billed the show as 6 episodes originally despite retconning the fact that it "was always five episodes." This is the flop to end all flops.
I genuinely want to know if Sam Levinson recognizes how undeniably bad this show is and takes a step back to learn how to write. Or steps back from entertainment entirely lmao.
I doubt it. Levinson is a nepo baby, and I don't think he got into the industry because he wanted to make good art. He's just making the kind of material he would want to see himself: young sexualised girls desperate for the attention of older men. And he has the connections and the funding to literally bring his fantasies ("I'm a cool edgy director that gets to hang out with half-naked women in sex scenes all day,") to life.
The Weeknd doesn’t need to be in any more films/ shows. And it sucks that he’s going to be in more acting projects next year. He’s not convincing as a good actor AT ALL
I just love how none of the supporting characters had any executing for their motivations. Like Xander did what Tedros told him to do in episode 4, and basically framed a famous actor for rape with a picture and an accusation. And then Xander ends up worshiping Jocelyn in the finale episode? With one of the most random and idiotic twists ever written! This show is so terrible, it’s almost good. 😂
something you didn't mention is that it's literally implied that joss lied about her mother abusing her with a hairbrush because the Weeknd notices that The Brush is brand new
@@goated3285 but there were witnesses of her mom's abuse, including Leia who wasn't interested in the least in manipulation games and getting into the cult, so...
@@goated3285i still don’t understand the people saying she’s “just as bad or worse” than him… like i get that the show wants you to think that by the end, but nothing in the actual content of the show demonstrates that to the audience? like… she lied about the abuse and used tedros for creative inspiration. and… what else? didn’t let jenny’s character release the song that was originally hers? didn’t let troye’s character sing (though he said that was her mom’s doing, so…)? i guess she manipulated everyone around her but i’m not sure what she manipulated them into doing since she kept getting told no by her team the whole time until she came up with some profitable music of her own and finally won them over, which… does not scream manipulative cunning to me, that’s just plain old straightforward work. did she make people believe her mom and tedros were abusing her? but if she never went public with her mom’s abuse and people on her team were still harsh and said no to her anyway, what sympathy did she really gain? why didn’t she use it to profit artistically sooner and in a less convoluted way if that was her plan? like it doesn’t really show us what her big evil plan was. then there’s tedros, who has literally kidnapped, physically abused, and pimped out women in the past in addition to grooming vulnerable and underaged people within his cult, and he’s supposed to be… equally or less evil than her? or as sam said, “the real victim” all along? like… idgi
If Joss was a master manipulator for a few years, the message of the show is completely different from promised. Joss was a teenage villain, and teen/young women in the industry are THE PLAGUE. Really? Those teens and young women are destroying the lives of ‘helpless’ powerful old men (or women) in that world. That is NOT the tune of all the apologists of the show. Girls are the menace??? Ok, if that’s the plot, frame it as an anomaly. All and all, the apologists are the ones who 'didn't get it ' apparently, all this time. WOMEN AND GIRLS are the evil unleashed. F… you, Levinston! (Yup, I’m copy/pasting this comment everywhere 🙂 )
I honestly would want the first episode to be the second so we can see snippets of Jocelyn's childhood, career beginnings and rise to fame then cut a couple years later to the photoshoot so the audience can pick up that she is in her bad girl phase. Tedros should have been like his original iteration where he looks clean cut and sharply dressed. The finale should have covered the six weeks of Jocelyn's successful comeback and Tedros getting his life crumbled.
Wow, I totally forgot Dan Levy was in this. Where'd he go? This show is a mess, lol. I interpret the ending as Tedros is not the hero at all. He is under Joseyln's control and manipulation. Tables turned, and the story comes full circle.
The fact that Legendary, Infinity Train, the Degrassi reboot, and so many other great series fell by the waist side while this $75 million turd got shoved into the spotlight irks me to no end. Whoever at HBO thought it was a good idea to have this be the program for the platform to hang its hat on for 2023 deserves to be unemployed yesterday. What a disaster.
If you resume the show, what does it mean ? Like what was the message ? What does the character growth tell ? Like there nothing to take form this show. Every message is a miss and say nothing. What a big fail
The Idol is this generation's Showgirls: they were trying to tell a serious story about the dark side of show business but ended up a cringey mess. Both feature a young actress baring it all thinking that she'll be taken seriously as an actress. I will say I think Lily did a good job and if anything Abel gave the Nomi Malone performance. Both feature laughable sex scenes and terrible dialogue and nonsensical plot points. I just wonder if The Idol will become a cult classic like Showgirls.
I'm a true weeknd fan...and believe me I never really was into this project from the very beginning. I mean seriously the trailer was enough to portray abel...why can't people start their career in acting in a normal role. Why trying a groundbreaking entry and suddenly grabbing spotlight has become a trend now for all newcomers. Shame on y'all people. Why Jennie, why troye? Why weeknd? just why lily?
Unpopular opinion I actually enjoyed the show and found it intresting when the weekend character wasn’t on my screen or had any scenes anytime he’s in a scene it ruins it like I watched the whole thing and I’m telling y’all when his scene aren’t on or he not in the scene it’s not bad like everybody else was fine there acting not bad but everytime the weekend got on I felt uncomfortable
I’m a kpop stan so when I saw this title I for some reason thought it was Jennie related and my two favorite things (drag race and kpop) were intersecting on kaylas channel
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It’s still CRAZY to me how HBO thought it was an ok idea to: reshoot, rewrite, recompose an 80% finished show for a million more dollars all bc of it received very vague criticism of it “ falling too much into the female perspective” 😟…from only one person….
Exactly!
Pretty sure that justification is an excuse and is not the real motivation. Either that or the showrunner got what he deserved for listening to him
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it REEKS of "oh god what if the Weeknd leaves the show" and not actual artistic merit
Bunch of “yes men” and nobody with some damnnn sense 🤦🏼♀️🥴
Remember in Euphoria when it's said Maddie had sex for the first time with a guy who was about forty but "she was in control the whole time"? The ending of The Idol feels a lot like that. I truly wonder if Sam Levinson thinks he's doing something "feminist" by doing stuff like this but he's really REALLY not.
I agree with your comparision. He is pointing out how women use their sexuality to get what they want while appearring innocent and weak. I don't think he is a feminist though.
@@skippersnacks I don't think he's a feminist but I believe there's a chance HE thinks he's a feminist.
@@CC-sg1ff I get you.
Omg I was gross out by this line and no one said anything about it. Like wtf is a 14 years old supposed to control with a 40 grand pa😑
@@skippersnacks14 year olds are pretending to be weak whilst being molested by 40 year old men?
I think you watch too much porn my guy.
HBO should honestly re-hire Amy Seimetz and let her create the series it was intended to be without this cast. Call it like The Icon and bring in Jennifer Coolidge. There. You’re welcome HBO. I made you money.
It’ll probably suck and just be some pretentious PC BS
From what I’ve heard from people reading the original script, her version of the show was really good and had nuance. The Sam Levinson version isn’t even a good satire.
@@LordTitus7you literally think this show is good I don't think you're the right person to determine whether this would be pretentious
@@rei02862 hey everyone has an opinion 🤷🏾♂️
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS I watched a few videos on this show and from what I have gathered, the idea is honestly so good. I would love to see a show about the struggles of a woman trying to stand out in Hollywood while everyone around her is trying to take advantage and be in control of her image and work! I won't lie I was pretty pumped about this show and now I'm disappointed :/
Probably the scariest thing to come out of all of this is that The Weeknd is really trying to pursue an acting career. Hes literally going to be the main character in a film he co wrote and produced with JENNA ORTEGA. I'm scared for her and all our eyes when it eventually comes out
Oh, God, please, NO. Not the Weekend with Jenna Ortega. Jenna is too good for him. She needs to stay away from Abel the TRAINWRECK.
Jenna is on record saying that the script "intrigued her and knew she had to get on it right away" this one's going to be a psychological thriller so maybe it'll deliver
He needs to be 1000000 feet away from all these super young women ✋🛑
@@societycrumbles “all these??” lily is his only co-star so far and she’s 24 years old. Jenna is not playing his love interest in the movie. She’s reportedly playing a psyophathic, obsessed fan who stalks a famous singer in what is supposed to be a dark thriller
@@nickalem5692 because obsessed fans are never depicted to feel sexually atracted to their idols. Even when underage... I mean, I'm not supporting the theory that "he has a type" with underage women, because like you said, his only co-star so far is 24 years old, but he is the producer and writer of only two projects so far and both of them are about a female unreasonably obsessing over him to the point of adoration. And I find THAT part worrying.
There have been projects like this so far, but... The only two you have ever made? Subsequently?????
The thing I hated the most about this is that Abel couldn’t handle not being the center of attention once in the series
It just shows how egotistical he is
HBO literally wasted money for this trash. I would rather get another season of Infinity Train than this.
I’m happy knowing the frogs with hats enthusiast is now making a new show
Will NEVER forgive them for what they did to IT
I’d rather them just show re-runs of GOT S8 than this lol
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Well friggin said dude!!
You know ever since the article about the production, I have not listened to any of the Weeknd's work. After this video I'm satisfied with that decision. It's clear he had influence over how this show ended up, and from what you've described... ew
i really dug a few of his albums recently but i can’t unsee this shit 💀
I can't look at him the same ever again this crap was so disturbing .
most of his music has the same sleazy messages but for the longest time i thought it could've easily been a character, the same way nicki minaj had roman. then this show comes out and he straight up says that they rewrote it because a story about a woman in the music industry had "too much of a female perspective" and i think that i'm not going to listen to his stuff anymore.
Agh same and I really liked several of his songs 💀 my fault for watching ig lol
I think if they had actually made Tedros another musician it would make a lot of sense. Jocelyn is the sweet pop idol and he's the darker, edgier artist and as the two become entangled, everyone realizes that Tedros is not only an idol, but a leader to a group of devotees and when Jocelyn realizes how dangerous he is, its too late to get out and her and the team would have to figure out how to separate them and expose his past so that his fanbase would turn on him and his relationship with Jocelyn would dissolve, leaving her as the true "Idol" while also giving us a complex and dangerous story.
But no let's justake Tedros some loser that Jocelyn has been toying with from the start because Sam Levinson is such a visionary 🙄
It’s just abuse porn. That’s it. That’s the show.
The ending was absolutely horrible and it made no sense at all. Why would Jocelyn want Tedros back after she had her Team literally destroy his entire life??? Jocelyn calling Tedros the love of her life was so creepy and disturbing. Jocelyn and Tedros are both despicable characters. THE IDOL WAS A HORRIBLE SERIES. REALLY HORRIBLE.
Hate the fact that Jocelyn became this mastermind manipulator and Tedros is portrayed as this victim who is betrayed by the woman he loved most in the world bs. I guess that's Sam Levinson and The Weeknd's idea of female empowerment, women are evil manipulative and toxic men are just poor victims
She was putting him in his place!
@@CiGiDancer WRONG. NOT BY GETTING BACK WITH HIM. THAT WAS A RIDICULOUS ENDING.
@@dextermoore278 Not by getting back with him, but by destroying him. She wanted him, he was her muse and a replacement for her mother who was once her muse, but Tedros thought he had all of the power, and Joss showed him undeniably that she was the one with all the power.
The act of destroying him also put her management in place. She needed to make them believe that they were in a place of power. Destroying Tedros also achieved that.
But the fact of the matter was that Joss loved Tedros and loved what he inspired within her, she wanted him, but he needed to be put in his place!
This story is a lot about vying for power, who has it, how they maintain it, and how it is wielded by different people in different dynamics.
@@WNT2BLV That's still not a good reason. Did you see HER ENTIRE TEAM SCREAMING AT HER? WONDERING WTF TEDROS WAS DOING THERE? THEY GOT RID OF TEDROS BECAUSE JOCELYN TOLD THEM TO. It was just shitty writing and a bad story.
You know the show fcked up when there are 2….count them….2 fanfics on Ao3. That’s so impressive it’s hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
yooo lmao i hate that that’s a unit of measurement to determine quality 😭
@@katrinamack444 ikr
@@katrinamack444Eh, not inherently. There are massive fandoms for extremely mid series like Harry Potter, so I wouldn’t take it as an indicator of writing quality. It’s more so how likeable/enjoyable a piece of fiction is, to which the idol is flaming shit that nobody wants to touch.
the funny part is they both use the old name for jennie's character...they were written before the show even dropped LMAO
@@appletart7262 Harry Potter is amazing and does its female characters justice, probably because a woman wrote it unlike this garbage.
Based on Sam Levinson’s recent film discography you could just tell he hates the me-too movement and feminist film critic. Like really another show where abused women become the villains. He’s really showing his hand here 😑
"resident mayor of hack city Sam Levinson" 😭😭😭
Love your review. I really hope your cat feels better!!
Edit: One thing I was expecting, due to the Weeknd and Levinson, is not only that Tedros wouldn't be seen as that bad in the end, but that Jocelyn was the more manipulative one and somehow actually in control the whole time, you know, because misogyny. I wish I wasn't right.
I hate the message this ultimately conveys, especially because the show explicitly compared Jocelyn to Britney in the first episode!
Between this and Velma, HBO's just trying to piss people off at this point.
The implication I'm hearing about this is that Jocelyn was the true villain the whole time! Because that's a great message, saying victims will use their trauma for power and clout. Also this is especially fucked up when it's obvious Britney Spears was the inspiration for the Jocelyn character. Beyond that this was apparently Anne Heche's last role and they just cut every scene with her. Like I know she plays the abusive mom but wtf.
my favorite part is how they just let rob be framed and completely abandoned this storyline after 20 business minutes 😭😭😭
also we conveniently forgot that it was implied that tedros groomed chloe who was revealed to be a minor??
no the way it added nothing to the story at all lmao. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume sam really thought they were getting a second season the way he followed up on nothing.
The fact that the Degrassi reboot got cancelled by HBO but like this got even 5 episodes is a crime. Loved the video as always Kayla!
This show is just as much The Weeknd’s fantasy as much as it is Levinson’s.
This part! Literally so many parallels between the show and his first album Trilogy, amongst other albums.
Two things that make me happy.
1. Only two RUclipsrs that I watch have watched the show and summarized it
2. Even though the summary doesn’t replace the show it still highlights all the reasons I wouldn’t wanna watch it
The weekend saying don’t listen to them and his response to everything doesn’t help the way he thinks it would
ah, the wonderful world of sam levinson where lying about abuse is women’s favorite hobby
Also is it just me or does it feel like sam levinson tried to pull a "good for her" bit by making jocelyn the "true" manipulator in the series? Idk i just feel like it doesnt work when we as an audience have seen that everyone around her really is just exploiting and abusing jocelyn for their own gain.
I have heard many opinions, but Juno's has been the most eloquent one, well said, kitty, hope you feel better
12:22 I CANNOT believe how much my heart is being spoken right now. Sex on TV is so boring and souless like it is in mainstream straight p*rn, all this slapping and choking and simulated violence in general is just so pretentious, fake, has zero emotional value or development attached to it, only a pathetic implication of artificial dominance and a display of insecureness in masculinity. It is meaningless, corny and played out, and still it seems to be what straight men consider 'trendy'? Barf
I heard the BEST description of this show from RUclipsr Far Too Much To Say: The Idol is like a pizza cutter. All edge and no point.
I can't believe the void Succession and Barry's finales left in us was supposed to be filled with The Idol
Took the words right out of my mouth; how the hell did this get made and what was the point?
Omg you actually finished it? I couldn't get pass episode 2. Here's a cookie for your service 🍪 lol. Truly i love your media commentary.
PS: Hope your cat gets better!
doom patrol got cancelled for this and i am livid
From the first episode it gave me the impression that this is an ego project for Lilly Rose Depp, Abel and Sam Levinson. Sam Levinson loves to be over the top and exploitative, especially with violence, manipulation, toxicity sexual scenes and nudity, Abel has the same thematic past with his music and they both love to be artsy fartsy and edgy so it felt to them like a match made in Heaven. Film and music by Abel and he also get’s to act and produce. Lilly has benefited massively from being a nepo baby in all industries especially in fashion, the place were people hailed her as a edgier Chanel girl and generally edgy, which she totally bought into. I remember her almost playing the same sort of character as in edgy but snarky in the ego nepotism daddy project Yoga Hosers. I mean I was not even suprised that these 3 individuals created and promoted such a “masterpiece”. A wasted potential, a wasted talented cast behind them, all wasted. Is it any wonder the first female director was booted? They are living their fantasies through this show but it’s not even close to enough to make it a decent show.
Kayla's description of the Corporate (TM) sex scenes reminds me of the 90s trend of NC-17 thrillers like Basic Instinct and its imitators (Madonna's Body of Evidence being the nadir), which were just schlocky and embarrassing. I wonder if that was the inspiration...
They showed a scene from Basic Instinct in the first episode, right? Sigh.
Basic Instinct was an influence for The Idol. I can't remember if it was Sam or Abel that said that. I also think Basic Instinct is directly mentioned in an episode.
To me the whole show is nothing but a F* boy fantasy! And clearly the weekend is that fboy , I although I love his music but his personality is A NO for me 😬
Yup. Love this music, absolutely. Great voice, but the personality is a no. Toxic toxic toxic and I only care for PEACE ❤
thank you for your sacrifices and i hope your fur child feels better
Sam Levinson truly is the epitome of men failing upwards
The Weeknd stans are running all over the internet trying to convince everyone this is 2023's Breaking Bad. Did he send them special glasses to watch a different show than we did? I'm a HUUUGE fan of his music but gaww damn, this is one of the worst tv shows I've ever seen.
Jocelyn turned out to be a very mean, unstable and uncaring person. She should have defended Rob against the SA charges. She knew that Tedros set up Rob and Rob genuinely cared about her.
She isn't a good person. She used Rob, then didn't care when he was in trouble. She was hurt that he cheated on her, even though it was her idea for an open relationship. People felt sorry for her at the beginning of the show. She was being exploited, taken advantage of after her abusive mom's death. By the end we see she's worse than any of them. Don't judge a book by the cover.
@@skippersnacks Yes. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
I think she didn’t defend him because she was already associated with bad press. So a public statement would mix her name with a rape case while she’s about to release the S&M style pop music, lol
@@dextermoore278media literacy 0 I guess
@@williamelliott186 SHE STILL SHOULD HAVE DEFENDED ROB.
The 8bit version of the hills in the outro is SENDING ME
I'm guessing with the end, they wanted to imply that our expectations regarding Jocelyn were all wrong and that she was always in control of the situation and was playing on Tedros' need to feel in charge femme fatale style. Not super into that choice, but it's the one that makes sense. And from a business perspective, I get wanting to end season 1 of a show with something where you have more room to develop stories if you get picked up for more seasons, but if you don't, then you're not stuck with a massive cliffhanger that relies on the story continuing for it to feel complete.
I honestly think they just wanted to make her respectable and "cool" in their eyes. Like "not only did she enjoy everything she was put through but she's also strong and not a victim". I think this because The Weeknd sings about a similar caricature in some songs from his album Trilogy, and in those songs its the only type of girl he seems to respect or get his heart broken by or whatever.
this whole show has been a complete gross nonsensical dumpster fire and not even a skeleton of the original premise. but them inserting this "false allegations ruins careers" propaganda into the finale and that absurd fake deep vague meaningless ending which people have interpreted as jocelyn being "the real villain" is literally next level devilishness. i need the original plot to leak so for one we can see what the original premise was and so we can see how much those 2 nasty men ruined the show for everyone involved.
Yes, there are so many more or less subtle misogynistic and overall harmful messages in this series ... I need a youtuber to sum them all up, like, so many people don't get it and think "It's just a story with fictional characters" but it's supposed to reflect the actions and experiences of real people in real life to some extend.
I'll always appreciate The Weeknd's music, but he should have just stayed mysterious. Release music and disappear from the public eye, it worked for him. Now I can't see him the same way.
The viewership of this show is so impossibly bad, and they billed the show as 6 episodes originally despite retconning the fact that it "was always five episodes." This is the flop to end all flops.
I was focused on fishing in Story of Seasons and that loud robotic "touch me" kind of jump scared me. 😭
Babe wake up kaylasays just dropped the idol video
kayla! i am praying for you’re cat! i hope she gets better!
You forgot to mention that the show has Troye and Jenny and STILL THERE ARE NO FAN FICTIONS????!?!?!?!!?!!... Says a LOT
I hope your cat gets better soon! (My cat has been having stressful health issues lately too so I can empathize.)
Right out the gate with the cat story NOOOO but I love your humor 👏 thank you for making your content!!
I genuinely want to know if Sam Levinson recognizes how undeniably bad this show is and takes a step back to learn how to write. Or steps back from entertainment entirely lmao.
I doubt it. Levinson is a nepo baby, and I don't think he got into the industry because he wanted to make good art. He's just making the kind of material he would want to see himself: young sexualised girls desperate for the attention of older men. And he has the connections and the funding to literally bring his fantasies ("I'm a cool edgy director that gets to hang out with half-naked women in sex scenes all day,") to life.
Poor kitty baby felt the trauma of this show.
The Weeknd doesn’t need to be in any more films/ shows. And it sucks that he’s going to be in more acting projects next year. He’s not convincing as a good actor AT ALL
Can you do a deep dive on sam Levi son and all his work PLEASE like I need a hour long video
The A03 references really got to be as a 22 year old woman 😂😂😂
This was so good but I'm sad The Idol is over. I never watched it. I just really enjoyed videos about it, especially this one.
I was going to say the only thing we can give Sam credit for is having a diverse cast...but he had no say in the casting so we're back at 0.
I just love how none of the supporting characters had any executing for their motivations. Like Xander did what Tedros told him to do in episode 4, and basically framed a famous actor for rape with a picture and an accusation. And then Xander ends up worshiping Jocelyn in the finale episode? With one of the most random and idiotic twists ever written!
This show is so terrible, it’s almost good. 😂
i just gotta say thank you for saving my time
something you didn't mention is that it's literally implied that joss lied about her mother abusing her with a hairbrush because the Weeknd notices that The Brush is brand new
What was that little moment with the hairbrush in the dressing room about? Did Jocelyn lie about the abuse? I was so confused
Yeah she lied the whole time & he then realized she was just as bad or even worse then him
@@goated3285 but there were witnesses of her mom's abuse, including Leia who wasn't interested in the least in manipulation games and getting into the cult, so...
@@goated3285i still don’t understand the people saying she’s “just as bad or worse” than him… like i get that the show wants you to think that by the end, but nothing in the actual content of the show demonstrates that to the audience? like… she lied about the abuse and used tedros for creative inspiration. and… what else? didn’t let jenny’s character release the song that was originally hers? didn’t let troye’s character sing (though he said that was her mom’s doing, so…)? i guess she manipulated everyone around her but i’m not sure what she manipulated them into doing since she kept getting told no by her team the whole time until she came up with some profitable music of her own and finally won them over, which… does not scream manipulative cunning to me, that’s just plain old straightforward work. did she make people believe her mom and tedros were abusing her? but if she never went public with her mom’s abuse and people on her team were still harsh and said no to her anyway, what sympathy did she really gain? why didn’t she use it to profit artistically sooner and in a less convoluted way if that was her plan? like it doesn’t really show us what her big evil plan was.
then there’s tedros, who has literally kidnapped, physically abused, and pimped out women in the past in addition to grooming vulnerable and underaged people within his cult, and he’s supposed to be… equally or less evil than her? or as sam said, “the real victim” all along? like… idgi
If Joss was a master manipulator for a few years, the message of the show is completely different from promised. Joss was a teenage villain, and teen/young women in the industry are THE PLAGUE. Really? Those teens and young women are destroying the lives of ‘helpless’ powerful old men (or women) in that world. That is NOT the tune of all the apologists of the show. Girls are the menace??? Ok, if that’s the plot, frame it as an anomaly. All and all, the apologists are the ones who 'didn't get it ' apparently, all this time. WOMEN AND GIRLS are the evil unleashed. F… you, Levinston! (Yup, I’m copy/pasting this comment everywhere 🙂 )
The best thing about this sh*t fest of a show is that it's over! Thank GAWD!
i think the word shit-show was made for this show specifically
I can't believe they canceled Westworld and greenlit this show....HBO doesn't know what they are doing tbh
Great analysis as always
I honestly would want the first episode to be the second so we can see snippets of Jocelyn's childhood, career beginnings and rise to fame then cut a couple years later to the photoshoot so the audience can pick up that she is in her bad girl phase. Tedros should have been like his original iteration where he looks clean cut and sharply dressed. The finale should have covered the six weeks of Jocelyn's successful comeback and Tedros getting his life crumbled.
Bahhh all she needed during that video shoot was an energy bar and one of her super slim cigs 🤦♀️😅
Hope Juno recovers fully!
adore u kayla. thx for satiating my curiosity
Sam Levinson is real life Flip McVickor from BoJack Horseman.
Wow, I totally forgot Dan Levy was in this. Where'd he go? This show is a mess, lol. I interpret the ending as Tedros is not the hero at all. He is under Joseyln's control and manipulation. Tables turned, and the story comes full circle.
No no, the cat shit incident does sum up the experience up perfectly lmao 💀
wow that "ending" is really the worst thing they could come up with
Mike Dean WITH THE MASTER PLAN 🎵
Just got major dejavú to your euphoria season 2 review.
It feels very… “MANOSPHERE” centric
The fact that Legendary, Infinity Train, the Degrassi reboot, and so many other great series fell by the waist side while this $75 million turd got shoved into the spotlight irks me to no end. Whoever at HBO thought it was a good idea to have this be the program for the platform to hang its hat on for 2023 deserves to be unemployed yesterday. What a disaster.
You can thank David Zaslav for that
If you resume the show, what does it mean ? Like what was the message ? What does the character growth tell ? Like there nothing to take form this show. Every message is a miss and say nothing. What a big fail
I don’t think I have ever been more disappointed in a tv show. I had high hopes, I really did. 😢
Why? Have you listened to Abel's lyrics? He's an awful human beeing.
I'm not going to lie I liked the Weeknd's music about know he wrote this, I now get the ick from him.
I wonder what happened to the Rolling Stone scene that was posted on Instagram four months ago!
Apparently there was a whole episode cut!
I was a bit confused by the final hairbrush scene in episode 5, like what does it mean if the brush is new? Did she make it up?
Kayla looks gorge here
1:19 this still gives my psycho jenny vibes
God I feel bad for Lily rose-depp
Tedrose would be in a shallow grave by episode 3. No way they would let him compromise their profits
Says we need an invite code to sign up for BlueSky 😢
I was SCREAMING at the tv last night
Your cat is peak film and television criticism, LOL xD
lmao the ao3 research
That shirt/sweatshirt is amazing. Where did you get it?
teddy fresh x marvel collection !
@@kaylasays Thank you!!!
hope juno is doing okk!! is she better now??
The Idol is this generation's Showgirls: they were trying to tell a serious story about the dark side of show business but ended up a cringey mess. Both feature a young actress baring it all thinking that she'll be taken seriously as an actress. I will say I think Lily did a good job and if anything Abel gave the Nomi Malone performance. Both feature laughable sex scenes and terrible dialogue and nonsensical plot points. I just wonder if The Idol will become a cult classic like Showgirls.
Lets call Abel Abel the very weak end of acting.
Smart
The ending is so stupid...Joss is actually truly unhinged as constanlty said by her management team.
I'm a true weeknd fan...and believe me I never really was into this project from the very beginning. I mean seriously the trailer was enough to portray abel...why can't people start their career in acting in a normal role. Why trying a groundbreaking entry and suddenly grabbing spotlight has become a trend now for all newcomers. Shame on y'all people. Why Jennie, why troye? Why weeknd? just why lily?
Unpopular opinion I actually enjoyed the show and found it intresting when the weekend character wasn’t on my screen or had any scenes anytime he’s in a scene it ruins it like I watched the whole thing and I’m telling y’all when his scene aren’t on or he not in the scene it’s not bad like everybody else was fine there acting not bad but everytime the weekend got on I felt uncomfortable
Great video.
The cat said it better than you ever could, but you're a close second....One might call it...number two
I’m a kpop stan so when I saw this title I for some reason thought it was Jennie related and my two favorite things (drag race and kpop) were intersecting on kaylas channel
…do you use animal crossing music for the background?