It makes sense considering the Dragonborns are just dragon souls in mortal bodies,it's still there nature to conquer and dominate others,it isn't far off that the Dragonborn cast a shadow of order in Tamriel.
Dragonborn with near godlike power wearing deadric armor and deadric artifact, Harbinger, Thief guildmaster, Archmage, Listener of the assassins guild, slayer of alduin, savior of solstheim, and ended the civilwar of skyrim. Bandit: You picked a wrong time to get lost friend.
he actually isn't the leader of either though, you're actually a different character when you do that stuff judging by Bethesda's previous history. They will never claim in lore that the Dragonborn was the leader of thieves guild or dark brotherhood
@@williamtemple287 even if he did it that doesnt mean dragonborn will do the same take a look at nerevar did he do any questline no mostly it will be done by someone else mostly the dragonborn and nerevar will do dlc and main hero of kvatch was different from them
@@thereverseeffect7269 Well, who knows. I hope nothing besides the Empire winning the civil war and Paarthurnax being alive should be "canon" i think. But other then that, the rest should be "yeah maybe he was in all these guilds and was somehow a good / bad / neutral (if you're like my currenct DB and do all the guilds and are a hero but also a killer lol) person or maybe he didn't did any guild at all." I think that should just be let open.
Wouldn't be hilarious if the dragonborn appears in TES VI exactly like you design him in your game, but since you use hair related mods the game doesn't recognize it and just renders him bald.
It's debateble if that would be a evil act. He used to be Aulduins right hand and apparently did a lot of horrible stuff back then, would you have let Hitler from our own history of the hook if he suddenly changed his mind and helped you stop the natzis? That said, it would have been nice to have some of the "horrible acts" described to the player rather them just being told something along the line of "he did horrible shit, trust me on this".
Yeah but who would oppose him,no Miraak,no Alduin,no Harkon,the Dragon's lorewise should all obey him,he can shout mountains apart(lorewise),Au'riel's bow a divine artifact,maybe the Thalmor who's to say he won't forge a fourth empire,but it's Bethesda so they will say he left.
@@bryanmanuel4945 uuh quite simple Hermaeus Mora cuz if I recall correctly he only helped you defeat Miraak if you would obey him and replace Miraak. So what that means after the Dragonborn defeated Miraak he most likely would end up with Hermaeus Mora sooner or later. Plus dont forget that the Dragonborn aint invincible. I dont remember their name but those necromancer slug guys are still out there. The naga's are out there and all the other Daedric princes. And like you said the Thalmor.
@@MegaZack61 You mean the Sload or what ever there called,Naga's?,Daedric Princes maybe but after the new convenant they aren't pulling an army,I doubt the Dragonborn is binded to Hermaues Mora he has another Dragonborn soul,so he may need other shit to bind him to his realm and considering he couldn't keep Miraak in check with just his soul,now imagine keeping a Dragonborn with his soul and Miraak's soul in check.
@@bryanmanuel4945 Yes Sloads those guys who made freaking air ships and have a army of the death. But its true play through thr DB Dlc your basicly replaced Miraak. Thats why Hermeaus Mora gave you the knowledge on how to beat Miraak with that shout. Plus Hermeaus Mora knew about Miraak antics he knew what he was doing. Cuz if I remember correctly he was all surprised when Hermeaus Mora played him as a fool. Plus we are talking about a Deadric Prince not just a mortal with dragon blood. Hermeaus Mora like he did with Miraak can easily pull you to his realm. And when you are in his realm what you gonna do? Hermeaus Mora knows all your secrets. He just wanted his "servant" to be replaced.
Lore: Dragonborn is a nice guy that helps strangers, only kills enemies that want to kill him or his world, uses shouts or magic to calm or scare enemies away to spare them. Playthroughs: Dragonborn is a spawn of hell that genocides all life, would join Alduin if it was an option and loves daedric princes.
Or deciding to become a thief for, well, the fun of it. Imagine coming home one day and the legendary, all powerful dragonborn is skulking around your house stealing your meager possessions. Dafuq dude, you own like 10 houses across skyrim, why are you taking my wooden bowls?
even if you've sided against the vampires, and never claimed the undead curse, a typical Skyrim playthrough would have you keep the werewolf blood, I know in game you can command it like a master chef commands the construction of the ultimate sweetroll, but lore wise, your cursed with the desire to hunt. anything. reaching it's peak when the moons shine the full might of their faces towards the twilight cloaked world. the lifestyle people tend to adopt revolves around killing many different opponents most of the time, the Wolfblood just unleashes the bloodlust the dragonborn already hides inside of them, if you play with moonlit tales that is.
And he would be level 645 since the canon version of him would be playing all the years between Skyrim and Tes VI And then your lvl. 15 character (since you couldn't progress much further due to the Dragonborn already clearing all the dungeons) would get rect by a guy using an exploited fork as a weapon
Avarti 0:02 - "The Dragonborn is obviously a good person." My Khajiit character: _is the leader of the Dark Brotherhood and has collected all Daedric artifacts._
Imagine if the Dragonborn goes north and takes the Dragons (the majority to explain why there isn’t dragons everywhere) and creates their own secluded/unreachable “Empire” to ensure the Dragons don’t... you know. Dragon.
I think if the Dragonborn spares Paarthurnax, and respects the way of the Voice, chances are he'll be a lot less of the conquering warlord that Tiber Septim was.
With bend will, what he could really do is run the empire from the shadows. Just use it to control a couple of the most powerful people on Tamriel and suddenly he's in charge of the continent.
He definitely considering when in the dragonborn im a blood thirsty khajiit who goes from city to city murdering literally everyone by cutting their throat
Helps the Dark Brotherhood who wipes out the imperial guard and assassinated the emperor like twice or something. Also kills his cousin who ran the East Empire Trading Company. Gives the Eye of Magnus to Psijics a rouge mage organization in the eyes of the empire, whilst silencing the research and development team sent from the imperial city halting further imperial progression. Empowers the Thieves Guild who preys upon as well disruptes Imperial trade routes Joins the Companions who hold traditional Nord values and is either indifferent to the war itself or sympathetic to the Stormcloaks. Helps the Forsworn who doesn't like foreign policy at all anyways and stresses both imperial and Stormcloaks resources. Joins the Stormcloak, who are stretching the empire thin and whose leader is a Thalmor Sleeper Agent. Also kills General Tulius .. By becoming thane of all holds and having the jagged crown technically makes the dragonborn the high king/queen of skyrim... These are just a FEW of the things the player will contribute towards the destruction of the Empire.
Psijics are 100% GOOD GUYS or at the very least Ethical Isolationists...They are NOT aligned to the Thalmor or Altmer government at all! (Which is the very reason they HELPED us in the first place! They dislike or despise or distrust the Thalmor as well!) Their whole deal was to make sure the world as a whole isn't threatened by UNCONTROLLABLE magics which is exactly what the Eye of Magnus is! It's only safe and secure in their hands no if's or but's about that. Even the Empire would abuse the powers of a GOD to get what they want! Which would either lead to the Empire becoming evil/corrupt or would cause their downfall through self-destruction. Ulfric is an Thalmor Asset NOT a Puppet or Sleeper Agent...He actively despises the Thalmor and they can't control him. The reason they consider him an asset is directly because they want the Civil War to be prolonged as long as possible to weaken the Empire...The only way that can occur is if the Stormcloaks continue fighting the Imperials and vice versa. The situation is "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" it is NOT "he's our bitch". If we could tell Ulfric about the dossier he's be the first one pissed off and might just have cease-fire with the Empire to attack the Thalmor instead! The Companions are Honorable and Highly Respected in EVERY Hold in Skyrim! Just because they're Werewolves DOESN'T make them morally evil...Just as Serana and Janus are good Vampires the Circle of the Companions are Good Werewolves. (Who we can even cure if they so wish! Giving someone the chance to choose where they go for eternal peace instead of being forced to this or that place...Is what you'd consider an ethical action.) The Silver Hand and Vigilants of Stendarr are what are morally considered Extremist Zealots at best and Mass Murderers at worst. They aren't right whatsoever by any logically proven moral philosophy, They're dead wrong to believe ALL undead or lycanthropes deserve to die or suffer...That isn't a sane human belief to have. The choice between the Forsworn and the Silverbloods is literally Murderers or Corrupt Murderers...You're damned if you do and damned if you don't there's no paragons of virtue in Markarth! And honestly the Forsworn aren't wrong about the Reach it was in fact Their Ancestral Lands NOT the Nords who came in and conquered it by force! Sure the Forsworn's methods to try to take it back are wrong but it's also wrong how the Nords "claimed" it in the first place! The Reach shouldn't legally be Skyrim! Yeah the Dark Brotherhood and Theives Guild are evil and bad respectively that's actually true. But for the rest there's simply a lot of grey area you're refusing to see for whatever reasons.
@@flamesofchaos13 tbf none of the side missions or guild quest lines are cannonically done by the pc (playable character), so attributing anything to do with them to the LDB (last dragonborn) just wouldn't be true
I think what people overlook is what Arngeir said to the dragonborn about learning dragonrend. He said the hatred of the shout could change him or warp him, so who can say shouts like bend will learned thanks to a deadric Prince wouldn't further impact who the dragonborn becomes?
I’d love to make a mod where the Dragonborn turns on Skyrim and constructs an empire, then it takes a group of rebels to overthrow him. Your character would not be the Dragonborn and just another citizen who trains to defeat him or her.
You mean the guy who joins the thieves guild, the dark brotherhood, and is a servant for the dadera if you the player want to be thorough. The guy in the dawnguard trailer who turns into a vampire. And if you want to be the guy who does all the quest, the guy who kills parthunax
Isnt it the Dragonborn's birthright to be Emperor? Always wondered that myself, and thought it would make relevant canon for the Last Dragonborn to become the Emperor in the next game
Only the dragonborn can light the dragonfires and close the veil between tamrial and oblivion that's how the emperors used to prove that they were dragonborn before becoming emperor
@@yousefalthagafi3028 Exactly. And only a Dragonborn can wear the Amulet of Kings. Plus with the Emperor dying being most likely canon in the next game, it leaves the open spot for the Dovahkiin. Especially considering the Empire beating the Stormcloaks as also most likely canon. Honestly I think they would be missing a massive opportunity to keep the time period around 4E 201 and not have to kill off or hide the Dragonborn
Yes, it is. It would just make sense for the Dragonborn to become emperor, but it’s not usual for Bethesda to make the player character a very recognizable figure in the game’s lore/history, so that it can be vague enough to fit any playstyle. If he becomes emperor, he would probably have to have a canon name of some sort.
Keep in mind that the Last Dragonborn's story is hardly over. They are about to be thrust into the Second Great War, regardless of whether they sided with the Imperials or Stormcloaks. If they sided with the Imperials, then the Aldmeri Dominion needs to strike before the Empire reconsolidates its power over Skyrim to the point where they can march the Imperial army out of Skyrim and to Cyrodil's southern border. If they sided with the Stormcloaks, then the Thalmor ought to attack the Empire while animosity between Skyrim and the Empire is still at its peak, when the Stormcloaks are least likely to join forces with the Empire to stop the Thalmor, even if they get to keep their independence. Does anyone really think the Dragonborn could sit this conflict out? He's already made himself an enemy of the Thalmor regardless of which side he's on, and the Thalmor remember what happened the last time a Dragonborn with a large degree of political influence got power hungry and it's everything they are fighting against now. If the Dragonborn chose to stay out of the Second Great War, the Thalmor would come for him. So he'll fight. And in the midst of this chaos and destruction, it could be awfully tempting to just use the Bend Will shout and order the Aldmeri Dominion to surrender, or slaughter each other. And if the Dragonborn becomes the hero of the Second Great War, in the wake of Titus Mede's assassination and a potentially vacant Imperial throne, could he really resist his nature to dominate?
@@commandergame Fair enough. I suppose it's more likely Bethesda will try to remove the Dragonborn from the playing field to make the sequel easier to write and they did leave that option open.
@@wafflingmean4477 it's retarded. Why bother making someone canon and so OP then just pull and avatar the last airbender. Sadly that is the only way to further that storyline cause the thalmor see the dragonborn as an enemy no matter what in the end and the civil war storyline cuts off before shit gets ugly.
My fav headcanon for after-dragonborn events is my Dragonborn asking Serana to turn them, to never really die and as such never get their soul into Hermeus Mora's servitude, then going travelling around the world as vampire duo
"The dragonborn is secretly evil" Not true. Otherwise theres no need to go for extra length of installing mods or console commands to kill the children.
Attempts to kill an child within minutes of escaping prison (most likely walked into imperial ambush) Slaughters countless rabbits (There is a stat for that in the pause menu) Joining with Stormcloak Facists. Joining with imperial Catholic Crusaders. Eating a priest in front of a group of vore-lovers. Kills adoptive great-grandfather dragon on his mountain home. Kills the Emporer. Raids countless burial sites scattered around the land. Makes pacts with literal demons and devils to acquire ancient evil artifacts. Kills the chicken in Riverwood (unforgivable) Slaughters villagers in Riverwood after said chicken killing. Kills one of the two last remaining Snow Elves in all of Tamriel. Doesnt go get mead with favorite drinking buddy. Kills a dog for a shitty axe. Doesnt stop shouting and continues to make people nervous. Makes guards nervous by approaching with weapon drawn. Might be the one stealing sweetrolls. Consistantly breaks out of prison using bad architect faults within cells. Never returns home to spouse or adopted children unless to ask if the store has made any money. Mind-controls dragons(animal cruelty). Kills and harvests the hearts of living trees (save the trees) Turns into a giant wolf or man-bat. Tuns naked through the streets. Puts out lighthouse causing a ship to crash killing everyone on board. Killed narfi before he got a chance to say goodbye. Harvests endangered glowing plant that only one person in skyrim knows how the grow. Litters. - Written by a Concerned Citizen of Skyrim
Power corrupts. Once the Dragonborn learns just how powerful they are, it’s only a matter of time until they abuse/push the limits of what they’re capable of. Even if it’s just a single moment, and afterwards the Dragonborn never lets evil into their heart ever again, that’s all it would take to change the world irreversibly. There are so many chances to do things for the sake of doing it, regardless of morality in Skyrim. If you do every quest and go into every location at least once, it’s hard to argue that the Dragonborn isn’t seriously messed up, probably evil.
When you go to learn dragon rend and ask the Grey Beards about it, Arngier tells you that the shout is evil and that you will be taking that evil into you by learning it.
Paarthunax did mention the greed of dragons somewhere, so if they're soul lies in your character then you too are subject to greed. It's exactly why you throw yourself at every dungeon/dwarven ruin you can find, the riches within call to you. And lore-wise, the DB would likely be a Nord, and seeing as he's the second most powerful Dragonborn to ever live, Herma-Mora just a book away to help you enhance your powers to permanently control dragons, and now you look like the greatest candidate for High King/Queen of Skyrim there ever was. And since each and every Daedric Prince let you become their champion, it seems like each of them will take a part of your soul when you die. Greed wins again!
Well the Last Dragonborn is pretty much solidly in Hermaeus Mora’s grasp and debt at the end of the Dragonborn DLC, so I think that if they tried to dominate the continent they’d have to do something like Miraak did, history repeating itself. If not well then they’d be stuck in Apocrypha right before they die or after they die. I guess Hermy would allow the Dragonborn to do whatever until then, including ruling over an empire though
I’m super late but, while I get your point, that’s why the graybeards are so worried about using their shouts and helping society with the war and the dragons. They know that using their powers is dangerous. That’s why they constantly remind the Dragonborn to be careful. I personally follow the guiding of the graybeards and not the blades because of this.
In my headcanon, the Dragonborn after defeating Alduin and winning the war for the Empire he becomes legitimized as Emperor and fucks up the Thalmor with Odaving (or something like that) as his mount.
*Leader of the Thieves Guild. *Listener of the Dark Brotherhood. *Serves all Deadra be it Boethiah or Molag Bal. *Randomly kills people *Delayed killing Alduin for Random shit *Stole Sweetrolls *Killed redguard that has mental disorders *SECRETLY EVIL*
I doubt Bethesda would make the dragonborn the antagonist in The Elder Scrolls 6 because bethesda generally keeps past protagonists anonymous, only referring to them by their title (The Champion of Cyrodil, The Hero of Kvatch, The Nerevarine, The Last Dragonborn) though it could be interesting if Bethesda decided to start giving canon identities to past protagonists.
Imagine if the dragonborn finished the wolf queen resurrection and used her to claim the throne of the empire, using the dragons and the wolf queen's undead army to exterminate the Talmore
OK, this may sound silly, but the big problem with many empires, benign or malevolent, lies not with the ultimate ruler, but with those serving him. So much is done by other in the name of a ruler that very careful vetting must be done to ensure that the policies are carried out as instructed by said ruler. eg You have a nice guy in charge, concerned with making sure things are going well for everyone. What about his main advisers? Are they good people? Because they also wield the power of the king/emperor, just in his name. You get one bad seed in that lot, everything goes to hell. Same with an evil ruler, except you may get a someone who tries to mitigate the worst of the damage.
I actually think that's if Bethesda had to choose between dawnguard in volkihar as Cannon they would have chosen volkihar because one thing everybody neglected to mention... Is that if you ask arngeir why dragonrend is so bad... He essentially says that it turns people evil (more actually racist towards the dragons but evil is evil is EVIL)... I think it makes the most sense for the dragonborn to become evil after defeating alduin/ learning dragonrend and at that point he's just out for himself...
I feel like canonically the Dragonborn will end up evil no matter what, simply by the power-hungry mentality he/she has. I think canonically he has 100% in skyrim, he has all the dragon priest masks, all the Daedric Artifacts, Killed the Emperor, is the champion of at least 3 different Daedras, has all the shouts, Is thane of all nine holds, holds the blood of the vampires and possibly even blotted out the sun (though I'm unsure of that one) It only makes sense for the character because at his/her core he craves power and I think will do nearly anything for even an ounce more even kill my boy Partysnax.
Yeah my dragonborn is outright protective of innocent people who killed only those who were harmful to skyrim, he may be a vampire but he turned for the sole purpose of making sure serana will never be alone and always have someone who she could rely upon when she needs to.
My Dragonborn killed Titus Mead, Ulfric Stormcloak, General Tulius, Lord Harkon, Miraak, and Alduin himself simply to eliminate competition for Dominion of Tamriel. Between The Blades, Companions, Mage's and Thieves' Guilds, and The Dark Brotherhood collectively functioning as the secret police, The Dominion is next.
I’ve wondered that too. I’m assuming he’ll be stuck in oblivion but if he did turn it would probably take all the old hero’s and a new one to take him down.
I'd say him killing Harkon and not using the bow to end the sun makes him more good then bad. Because at that point the dragonborn was just as likely as not to be a vampire lord. And not having to deal with the sun would be a huge power grab. At least as Harkon was selling it. We all know it was the dumb idea. And even if the dragonborn knew it was, it proves he is smart enough to know a bad idea when he sees one. As he is not a full dov and not as strongly tempted as the base instincts of the dragon. He would not have his judgements clouded to make the same mistake that lead to tyrants being over thrown.
Well, my dragonborn is a necromancer, a werewolf, the leader of the thieves guild and the dark brotherhood, a cannibal and he really likes to trap people's souls into the soul cairn so... Yeah, i think he is kinda evil
He also eats dragon souls and has a fork that does 999999999 damage by picking flowers and burning butterflies, and quick saving before killing merchants to restock their trades and then quick loads
The Dragonborn is canonically a vampire. So idk if he can be a good guy when your in service to Molag Baal. The most comically evil being in existence.
The dragonborn, seeing how weak the empire is, enrolls in the legion or enlists in the Stormcloaks, from here win the war, do the dark Brotherhood quest and kills the emperor and claims the throne because he is dragonborn. And from here lead the next thalmor war
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So it does make sense. However, at the end of the day, it really depends on whether or not the Dragonborn is willing control that nature and restrict himself / herself to using his / her power only for the right thing. Maybe this is one of the reasons why the Greybeards are willing to guide the Dragonborn.
The only way is doing what Paarthunaax did. Focus on learning the way of the voice and meditate to overcome its inner nature. Dragons are born to dominate, their nature is to be lords of the world at any cost. He would be forced to live in seclusion after defeating Miraak for the sake of the world and leave it to capable people their future.
What do you mean by evil? Unpleasant to humans and alike? Would you call a scientist 'evil' because he poured liquid aluminium into an ants nests just to do some research? From the ants' perspective a dominant slayer is evil but he himself is simply way beyond the ants. Now... would a dragonborn be evil once you are aware how insignificant humans are to him?
Well it's like what the greybeards say after you beat Alduin, will you be a hero sang in songs, or will your name be a curse? (Not exact wording, but it's similar)
Well with all those dragon souls absorbed, I could see why the Dragonborn would start acting more dragon like. And of course being exposed to a lot of daedric influence, especially Hermaeus Mora’s could cause them to be more evil. But maybe they don’t become evil, they just become more chaotic.
I have typically played as a nice guy who is friendly to civilians, even those I disagree with and I have been extremely violent toward people who would hurt civilians.... I imagine him one day forging a small community of his allies to sit inside the rotting empire but.... maybe he would turn heel? I wouldn't want that, but it could happen.
I wouldn't say the dragonborn has to be secretly evil but definitely would have become high king and possibly started a new empire similar to Talos. That is assuming the dragonborn didn't become a servant for Hermaeus mora
What if the Dragonborn is neither evil nor good, but follows "a different path"? Like in Star Wars, there is the Dark Side and the Light Side of the Force. But there are also some practitioners who straddle the two. They are the Grey Jedi. Perhaps the Dragonborn is the Grey Jedi of the Elder Scrolls universe.
Nerevarine went to Akavirri and chilling out Hero of Kvatch becomes god of madness (sheogorath) Dragonborn went to realm of Apocrypha and lives forever until the everything destroyed by Numidium
No, that's up to us. And for me the Dovahkiin is neutral, cold, cruel, but isn't evil. Just does what he's ordered to do. Basically something like Master Chief from halo.
The answer to that question is as varied as it is subjective; in NONE of my playtrhoughs of TESV, with any character I've made did they CHOSE to be Dragonborn, the power(s) and the title was simply thrust upon my character, who usually BARELY utilized shouts except in dire situations or to escape or something like that. They never used it to grab power or to dominate MAINLY doe to the reason/innate feeling that any victory achieved by/with that power would be hollow and not earned, since it wasn't won/achieved by their own power/merit. That's how I've always felt; also - when I actuall was playing through the main quest and embraced baing 'Dragonborn', I always tried to follow the Greybeards teachings and the Way of Jurgen Windcaller - IF - I was using my shouts at all. I generally find being Dragonborn limiting and not flexible when I (role)play in Skyrim... but that's just me I guess. IF I were ever to use the powers, it would be to help whatever faction (Stormclocaks/Empire) I've sided with ( if at all ) during the story and then drive the Thalmor completely out of Skyrim, Cyrodiil and the other 'provinces' and help restore order, but NOT to gain a position of power ( i.e. trying to be Emperor or something like that ), since I find it to be, again, very limiting and I don't like to be tied down. After all's done and some resemblance of peace and order in Tamriel has been restored, my character would very much go exploring OUTSIDE the Tamriel continent and go to other continents ( i.e. Akavir ) or/and islands and live through countless adventures!
My Dragonborn character, Osiris the Khajiit, is more of a chaotic neutral. I'm pretty bloodthirsty when it comes to fighting and killing my enemies, but I also avoid killing innocents. I still feel bad about killing Vittoria and Gaius Maro tbh.
I think the Dragonborn is neutral. If you assume he would do all the quests that are available in Skyrim (asuming he choses Dawnguard over Volkihar) then he would both save people through these quests as well as kill them.
Title: is the dragonborn secretly evil? Speed the fast (yes that is what I called him) who is a vampire lord or werewolf or both who fucked of right before entering the soulkern to become a werewolf and then ask serana to turn him back into a vampire lord, went after miraak while time was of the essence to kill serana's dad. Tried to join serena's dad. Left the companions to fend of the silver hand by themselves and killed most if not all of the dawnguard in werewolf form: I'm just a bit hungry for power
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Secretly evil? What are you talking about? Have you seen Skyrim players?
The Dragonborn isn't secretly evil! He's openly evil!
I came out and now I'm happy, evil pride month
Nono he's not evil...
HE'S A FUCKING PHYCOPATH
You are a dragon in mortal form who massacres your own race and eats their souls. And that is just the main quest...
I know right!?
not in my playthrough.
The dragonborn would eventually become evil due to the people of skyrim not being grateful enough for saving them😂
@Wilhelm BLECHA Grabs hat guard and snaps his neck superman style,the fourth empire was forged that day.
NPCs knew they were already dead when the Dragonborn quicksaved
@Wilhelm BLECHA If you have high enough speech skill you can persuade the guards to forgive you
Nah its much simpler then that, Dragonborn would become evil because of Nazeem.
The dragon born becomes evil. Because he gets accused of killing a gard. That a dragon clearly killed. But the gards start attacking him instead.
Tiber Septim's tyrannical behavior makes sense now. He was a Dragonborn he sought to dominate even when diplomacy could have got him what he wanted
Also how miraak wanted to take over solsthiem and stuff
It makes sense considering the Dragonborns are just dragon souls in mortal bodies,it's still there nature to conquer and dominate others,it isn't far off that the Dragonborn cast a shadow of order in Tamriel.
I was just thinking this as well! Went scrolling into the comments to see if someone else thought the same way. xD
Actually Tiber used a bit of diplomacy with a mix of conquest to conquer and unite all of tamriel. But still a valid point none the less.
I love it. I really hope the dragonborn attempts to take the throne as emperor or something in ES6
Dragonborn with near godlike power wearing deadric armor and deadric artifact, Harbinger, Thief guildmaster, Archmage, Listener of the assassins guild, slayer of alduin, savior of solstheim, and ended the civilwar of skyrim.
Bandit: You picked a wrong time to get lost friend.
Not to mention either a Dawnguard Vampire Hunter or a Vampire Lord
NOT FORGETTING THE ULTIMATE POWERS YOU CAN HARNESS FROM THESE QUEST LINES ETC ETC
@Lubric_ Hammerman i always like to think they are self reflecting on that one, when there friends attack TLDB.
champion of all daedric princes
also its "listener of the night mother"
Title: "*Is the Dragonborn Secretly Evil???*
The Dragonborn: **Is the leader of both the thieves guild and Dark Brotherhood** "no"
he actually isn't the leader of either though, you're actually a different character when you do that stuff judging by Bethesda's previous history. They will never claim in lore that the Dragonborn was the leader of thieves guild or dark brotherhood
“Now we both know I would never turn evil” (persuasion)
@@thereverseeffect7269 They did it with Oblivion's protagonist.
@@williamtemple287 even if he did it that doesnt mean dragonborn will do the same take a look at nerevar did he do any questline no mostly it will be done by someone else mostly the dragonborn and nerevar will do dlc and main hero of kvatch was different from them
@@thereverseeffect7269 Well, who knows. I hope nothing besides the Empire winning the civil war and Paarthurnax being alive should be "canon" i think. But other then that, the rest should be "yeah maybe he was in all these guilds and was somehow a good / bad / neutral (if you're like my currenct DB and do all the guilds and are a hero but also a killer lol) person or maybe he didn't did any guild at all." I think that should just be let open.
Oh believe me, it’s no secret.
*Not after what I did to Whiterun*
Nazeem is responsible for corrupting the Dragonborn...
@@alucard8433 I will send you to the cloud district bitch
Oh god no.......
Dragonborn: **saves right after stepping into whiterun**
Every non-essential npc: “I’m in danger”
Wouldn't be hilarious if the dragonborn appears in TES VI exactly like you design him in your game, but since you use hair related mods the game doesn't recognize it and just renders him bald.
If only Bethesda had the capability to be that meticulous.
Too much power messes with your hair follicles.
JonatasAdoM so does being a sheep
@@sturggaming6759 I thought sheep used wigs.
JonatasAdoM no they upload videos of fortnite
Only if you kill Paarthurnax
I did first playthrough and never did it ever after that
Agreed my dude
True
It's debateble if that would be a evil act. He used to be Aulduins right hand and apparently did a lot of horrible stuff back then, would you have let Hitler from our own history of the hook if he suddenly changed his mind and helped you stop the natzis? That said, it would have been nice to have some of the "horrible acts" described to the player rather them just being told something along the line of "he did horrible shit, trust me on this".
@@darcrios What is that?
You've seen how Miraak ended up. The events of Skyrim could just be history repeating itself.
Yeah but who would oppose him,no Miraak,no Alduin,no Harkon,the Dragon's lorewise should all obey him,he can shout mountains apart(lorewise),Au'riel's bow a divine artifact,maybe the Thalmor who's to say he won't forge a fourth empire,but it's Bethesda so they will say he left.
@@bryanmanuel4945 uuh quite simple Hermaeus Mora cuz if I recall correctly he only helped you defeat Miraak if you would obey him and replace Miraak.
So what that means after the Dragonborn defeated Miraak he most likely would end up with Hermaeus Mora sooner or later.
Plus dont forget that the Dragonborn aint invincible. I dont remember their name but those necromancer slug guys are still out there. The naga's are out there and all the other Daedric princes.
And like you said the Thalmor.
@@MegaZack61 You mean the Sload or what ever there called,Naga's?,Daedric Princes maybe but after the new convenant they aren't pulling an army,I doubt the Dragonborn is binded to Hermaues Mora he has another Dragonborn soul,so he may need other shit to bind him to his realm and considering he couldn't keep Miraak in check with just his soul,now imagine keeping a Dragonborn with his soul and Miraak's soul in check.
“.....time, Dr. Freeman?....Is it really that time again?”
I know this isn’t related but you know ...
@@bryanmanuel4945 Yes Sloads those guys who made freaking air ships and have a army of the death.
But its true play through thr DB Dlc your basicly replaced Miraak. Thats why Hermeaus Mora gave you the knowledge on how to beat Miraak with that shout.
Plus Hermeaus Mora knew about Miraak antics he knew what he was doing. Cuz if I remember correctly he was all surprised when Hermeaus Mora played him as a fool.
Plus we are talking about a Deadric Prince not just a mortal with dragon blood. Hermeaus Mora like he did with Miraak can easily pull you to his realm.
And when you are in his realm what you gonna do? Hermeaus Mora knows all your secrets.
He just wanted his "servant" to be replaced.
Lore: Dragonborn is a nice guy that helps strangers, only kills enemies that want to kill him or his world, uses shouts or magic to calm or scare enemies away to spare them.
Playthroughs: Dragonborn is a spawn of hell that genocides all life, would join Alduin if it was an option and loves daedric princes.
I mean, if he completes all deadric quests in favor of that daedra(like eating a priest in a cannibal buffet), maybe they are a little evil?
Not to mention being a tattletale
That on top of leading a group of cold hearted assassins he definitely ain't a good boy
Or becoming a bloodthirsty vampire who only stooped horkan because he's going to betray him in the end
Or deciding to become a thief for, well, the fun of it. Imagine coming home one day and the legendary, all powerful dragonborn is skulking around your house stealing your meager possessions. Dafuq dude, you own like 10 houses across skyrim, why are you taking my wooden bowls?
even if you've sided against the vampires, and never claimed the undead curse, a typical Skyrim playthrough would have you keep the werewolf blood, I know in game you can command it like a master chef commands the construction of the ultimate sweetroll, but lore wise, your cursed with the desire to hunt. anything. reaching it's peak when the moons shine the full might of their faces towards the twilight cloaked world. the lifestyle people tend to adopt revolves around killing many different opponents most of the time, the Wolfblood just unleashes the bloodlust the dragonborn already hides inside of them, if you play with moonlit tales that is.
“The Dragonborn is obviously a good person”
Odgrub...
Title: Is the Dragonborn secretly evil?
Meanwhile I’m sittin here as a Dark Elf vampire lord attempting to rival the daedra
Imagine if we end up fighting The Last Dragonborn in a future Elder Scrolls games as a boss of some sorts.
That would suck he's most likely going to disappear.
@@jovanihernandez1640 Good point
And he would be level 645 since the canon version of him would be playing all the years between Skyrim and Tes VI
And then your lvl. 15 character (since you couldn't progress much further due to the Dragonborn already clearing all the dungeons) would get rect by a guy using an exploited fork as a weapon
But when you fight him you do it in the second person like that one car game
It would be like Prototype's Alex Mercer turning into the evil boss in Prototype 2.
"Young Nord"
Cries in Breton main
Cries even more in argonian main
Last time I was this early; the Ayleids still roamed Cyrodiil.
*whitestrake intensifies* I have unfinished business
@@twistedvtuber9894 Why did he forget about Morrowind?
man is born good, not going to the cloud district very often corrupts him.
Avarti 0:02 - "The Dragonborn is obviously a good person."
My Khajiit character: _is the leader of the Dark Brotherhood and has collected all Daedric artifacts._
Imagine if the Dragonborn goes north and takes the Dragons (the majority to explain why there isn’t dragons everywhere) and creates their own secluded/unreachable “Empire” to ensure the Dragons don’t... you know. Dragon.
The Dragonborn becoming a fallen hero sounds like a great idea to explore and play as. Modders if you will?
I think if the Dragonborn spares Paarthurnax, and respects the way of the Voice, chances are he'll be a lot less of the conquering warlord that Tiber Septim was.
With bend will, what he could really do is run the empire from the shadows. Just use it to control a couple of the most powerful people on Tamriel and suddenly he's in charge of the continent.
Once the Dragonborn quick saves in a city he quickly becomes a very evil person
He definitely considering when in the dragonborn im a blood thirsty khajiit who goes from city to city murdering literally everyone by cutting their throat
Heres some skooma and if you behave i'll scratch behind your ears
Helps the Dark Brotherhood who wipes out the imperial guard and assassinated the emperor like twice or something. Also kills his cousin who ran the East Empire Trading Company.
Gives the Eye of Magnus to Psijics a rouge mage organization in the eyes of the empire, whilst silencing the research and development team sent from the imperial city halting further imperial progression.
Empowers the Thieves Guild who preys upon as well disruptes Imperial trade routes
Joins the Companions who hold traditional Nord values and is either indifferent to the war itself or sympathetic to the Stormcloaks.
Helps the Forsworn who doesn't like foreign policy at all anyways and stresses both imperial and Stormcloaks resources.
Joins the Stormcloak, who are stretching the empire thin and whose leader is a Thalmor Sleeper Agent. Also kills General Tulius ..
By becoming thane of all holds and having the jagged crown technically makes the dragonborn the high king/queen of skyrim...
These are just a FEW of the things the player will contribute towards the destruction of the Empire.
How does giving the Eye of Magnus to the Psijic Order contribute to their destruction?
Thieves Guild wouldn't bring the downfall of the Empire, nor would the Companions. Dark Brotherhood quite likely, yes.
Psijics are 100% GOOD GUYS or at the very least Ethical Isolationists...They are NOT aligned to the Thalmor or Altmer government at all! (Which is the very reason they HELPED us in the first place! They dislike or despise or distrust the Thalmor as well!)
Their whole deal was to make sure the world as a whole isn't threatened by UNCONTROLLABLE magics which is exactly what the Eye of Magnus is! It's only safe and secure in their hands no if's or but's about that.
Even the Empire would abuse the powers of a GOD to get what they want! Which would either lead to the Empire becoming evil/corrupt or would cause their downfall through self-destruction.
Ulfric is an Thalmor Asset NOT a Puppet or Sleeper Agent...He actively despises the Thalmor and they can't control him. The reason they consider him an asset is directly because they want the Civil War to be prolonged as long as possible to weaken the Empire...The only way that can occur is if the Stormcloaks continue fighting the Imperials and vice versa. The situation is "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" it is NOT "he's our bitch". If we could tell Ulfric about the dossier he's be the first one pissed off and might just have cease-fire with the Empire to attack the Thalmor instead!
The Companions are Honorable and Highly Respected in EVERY Hold in Skyrim! Just because they're Werewolves DOESN'T make them morally evil...Just as Serana and Janus are good Vampires the Circle of the Companions are Good Werewolves. (Who we can even cure if they so wish! Giving someone the chance to choose where they go for eternal peace instead of being forced to this or that place...Is what you'd consider an ethical action.) The Silver Hand and Vigilants of Stendarr are what are morally considered Extremist Zealots at best and Mass Murderers at worst. They aren't right whatsoever by any logically proven moral philosophy, They're dead wrong to believe ALL undead or lycanthropes deserve to die or suffer...That isn't a sane human belief to have.
The choice between the Forsworn and the Silverbloods is literally Murderers or Corrupt Murderers...You're damned if you do and damned if you don't there's no paragons of virtue in Markarth! And honestly the Forsworn aren't wrong about the Reach it was in fact Their Ancestral Lands NOT the Nords who came in and conquered it by force! Sure the Forsworn's methods to try to take it back are wrong but it's also wrong how the Nords "claimed" it in the first place! The Reach shouldn't legally be Skyrim!
Yeah the Dark Brotherhood and Theives Guild are evil and bad respectively that's actually true. But for the rest there's simply a lot of grey area you're refusing to see for whatever reasons.
@@flamesofchaos13 imma let you know.. dis too much, chief
@@flamesofchaos13 tbf none of the side missions or guild quest lines are cannonically done by the pc (playable character), so attributing anything to do with them to the LDB (last dragonborn) just wouldn't be true
I think what people overlook is what Arngeir said to the dragonborn about learning dragonrend. He said the hatred of the shout could change him or warp him, so who can say shouts like bend will learned thanks to a deadric Prince wouldn't further impact who the dragonborn becomes?
Depends on if you have mods or not
"Secretly"? I think you haven't met my dragonborn.
Both Paarthurnax and Tsun say "you are doom-driven". Strange choice of words.
I’d love to make a mod where the Dragonborn turns on Skyrim and constructs an empire, then it takes a group of rebels to overthrow him. Your character would not be the Dragonborn and just another citizen who trains to defeat him or her.
You mean the guy who joins the thieves guild, the dark brotherhood, and is a servant for the dadera if you the player want to be thorough. The guy in the dawnguard trailer who turns into a vampire. And if you want to be the guy who does all the quest, the guy who kills parthunax
In MY playthroughs, there's nothing secret about it.
Isnt it the Dragonborn's birthright to be Emperor? Always wondered that myself, and thought it would make relevant canon for the Last Dragonborn to become the Emperor in the next game
Only the dragonborn can light the dragonfires and close the veil between tamrial and oblivion that's how the emperors used to prove that they were dragonborn before becoming emperor
@@yousefalthagafi3028 Exactly. And only a Dragonborn can wear the Amulet of Kings. Plus with the Emperor dying being most likely canon in the next game, it leaves the open spot for the Dovahkiin. Especially considering the Empire beating the Stormcloaks as also most likely canon. Honestly I think they would be missing a massive opportunity to keep the time period around 4E 201 and not have to kill off or hide the Dragonborn
Yes, it is. It would just make sense for the Dragonborn to become emperor, but it’s not usual for Bethesda to make the player character a very recognizable figure in the game’s lore/history, so that it can be vague enough to fit any playstyle. If he becomes emperor, he would probably have to have a canon name of some sort.
Answer overall: No
Answer individually: Yes
It's only fitting that the Last Dragonborn never return from Solstheim after killing Miraak. Its a good end for someone who's amassed so much power.
"Wait, I know you."
"Probably because I'm a dangerous sociopath with a long history of violence."
In the end, he's still a Dovah.
It's part of his nature to gain power, even though he doesn't necessarily like to rule the world.
Im not playing a secretly evil chacter ım playing a cold blooded two handed serial killer who's addicted to skooma
Keep in mind that the Last Dragonborn's story is hardly over. They are about to be thrust into the Second Great War, regardless of whether they sided with the Imperials or Stormcloaks. If they sided with the Imperials, then the Aldmeri Dominion needs to strike before the Empire reconsolidates its power over Skyrim to the point where they can march the Imperial army out of Skyrim and to Cyrodil's southern border. If they sided with the Stormcloaks, then the Thalmor ought to attack the Empire while animosity between Skyrim and the Empire is still at its peak, when the Stormcloaks are least likely to join forces with the Empire to stop the Thalmor, even if they get to keep their independence.
Does anyone really think the Dragonborn could sit this conflict out? He's already made himself an enemy of the Thalmor regardless of which side he's on, and the Thalmor remember what happened the last time a Dragonborn with a large degree of political influence got power hungry and it's everything they are fighting against now. If the Dragonborn chose to stay out of the Second Great War, the Thalmor would come for him. So he'll fight. And in the midst of this chaos and destruction, it could be awfully tempting to just use the Bend Will shout and order the Aldmeri Dominion to surrender, or slaughter each other. And if the Dragonborn becomes the hero of the Second Great War, in the wake of Titus Mede's assassination and a potentially vacant Imperial throne, could he really resist his nature to dominate?
Im pretty sure the dragonborn won't be in the second great war because then he will be in apocrypha as Hermeus Mora's servant.
@@commandergame Fair enough. I suppose it's more likely Bethesda will try to remove the Dragonborn from the playing field to make the sequel easier to write and they did leave that option open.
@@wafflingmean4477 it's retarded. Why bother making someone canon and so OP then just pull and avatar the last airbender. Sadly that is the only way to further that storyline cause the thalmor see the dragonborn as an enemy no matter what in the end and the civil war storyline cuts off before shit gets ugly.
I think the dragonborn either becomes evil after he killed mirrak cannon wise or he meditates with parthanax and overcomes this nature like he did
My fav headcanon for after-dragonborn events is my Dragonborn asking Serana to turn them, to never really die and as such never get their soul into Hermeus Mora's servitude, then going travelling around the world as vampire duo
"The dragonborn is secretly evil"
Not true. Otherwise theres no need to go for extra length of installing mods or console commands to kill the children.
Attempts to kill an child within minutes of escaping prison (most likely walked into imperial ambush)
Slaughters countless rabbits (There is a stat for that in the pause menu)
Joining with Stormcloak Facists.
Joining with imperial Catholic Crusaders.
Eating a priest in front of a group of vore-lovers.
Kills adoptive great-grandfather dragon on his mountain home.
Kills the Emporer.
Raids countless burial sites scattered around the land.
Makes pacts with literal demons and devils to acquire ancient evil artifacts.
Kills the chicken in Riverwood (unforgivable)
Slaughters villagers in Riverwood after said chicken killing.
Kills one of the two last remaining Snow Elves in all of Tamriel.
Doesnt go get mead with favorite drinking buddy.
Kills a dog for a shitty axe.
Doesnt stop shouting and continues to make people nervous.
Makes guards nervous by approaching with weapon drawn.
Might be the one stealing sweetrolls. Consistantly breaks out of prison using bad architect faults within cells.
Never returns home to spouse or adopted children unless to ask if the store has made any money.
Mind-controls dragons(animal cruelty). Kills and harvests the hearts of living trees (save the trees)
Turns into a giant wolf or man-bat.
Tuns naked through the streets.
Puts out lighthouse causing a ship to crash killing everyone on board.
Killed narfi before he got a chance to say goodbye.
Harvests endangered glowing plant that only one person in skyrim knows how the grow.
Litters.
- Written by a Concerned Citizen of Skyrim
If your Dragonborn kills Paarthurnax...you are one evil bastard
What if Paarthurnax only helped the Dragonborn so he can replace Alduin
I did first playthrough and never did it ever after that
Power corrupts. Once the Dragonborn learns just how powerful they are, it’s only a matter of time until they abuse/push the limits of what they’re capable of.
Even if it’s just a single moment, and afterwards the Dragonborn never lets evil into their heart ever again, that’s all it would take to change the world irreversibly.
There are so many chances to do things for the sake of doing it, regardless of morality in Skyrim. If you do every quest and go into every location at least once, it’s hard to argue that the Dragonborn isn’t seriously messed up, probably evil.
When you go to learn dragon rend and ask the Grey Beards about it, Arngier tells you that the shout is evil and that you will be taking that evil into you by learning it.
You either die a hero and let people tell the tale or live long enough to notice what else you can conquer
Good and evil are overrated. There is me, my goal, and those who get in my way.
I agree with you, if you have a goal in mind, set it.
I do love character creation.
I mean, considering how most people play skyrim, I'd say yes
My second Dragonborn most certainly was he finished the dark brotherhood quest line and turned into a vamp before even killing a dragon.
Paarthunax did mention the greed of dragons somewhere, so if they're soul lies in your character then you too are subject to greed. It's exactly why you throw yourself at every dungeon/dwarven ruin you can find, the riches within call to you. And lore-wise, the DB would likely be a Nord, and seeing as he's the second most powerful Dragonborn to ever live, Herma-Mora just a book away to help you enhance your powers to permanently control dragons, and now you look like the greatest candidate for High King/Queen of Skyrim there ever was. And since each and every Daedric Prince let you become their champion, it seems like each of them will take a part of your soul when you die. Greed wins again!
In their toungue he is Dovakhiin. Dragonborn.
FUS RO DAH!
Well the Last Dragonborn is pretty much solidly in Hermaeus Mora’s grasp and debt at the end of the Dragonborn DLC, so I think that if they tried to dominate the continent they’d have to do something like Miraak did, history repeating itself. If not well then they’d be stuck in Apocrypha right before they die or after they die. I guess Hermy would allow the Dragonborn to do whatever until then, including ruling over an empire though
I’m super late but, while I get your point, that’s why the graybeards are so worried about using their shouts and helping society with the war and the dragons. They know that using their powers is dangerous. That’s why they constantly remind the Dragonborn to be careful. I personally follow the guiding of the graybeards and not the blades because of this.
In my headcanon, the Dragonborn after defeating Alduin and winning the war for the Empire he becomes legitimized as Emperor and fucks up the Thalmor with Odaving (or something like that) as his mount.
*Leader of the Thieves Guild.
*Listener of the Dark Brotherhood.
*Serves all Deadra be it Boethiah or Molag Bal.
*Randomly kills people
*Delayed killing Alduin for Random shit
*Stole Sweetrolls
*Killed redguard that has mental disorders
*SECRETLY EVIL*
Of course he's evil. Putting baskets and buckets on people's heads like that... Pure evil!
I doubt Bethesda would make the dragonborn the antagonist in The Elder Scrolls 6 because bethesda generally keeps past protagonists anonymous, only referring to them by their title (The Champion of Cyrodil, The Hero of Kvatch, The Nerevarine, The Last Dragonborn) though it could be interesting if Bethesda decided to start giving canon identities to past protagonists.
The dude's already a cannibal (to humans and dragons alike), he's hardly a model citizen.
Imagine if the dragonborn finished the wolf queen resurrection and used her to claim the throne of the empire, using the dragons and the wolf queen's undead army to exterminate the Talmore
I still like MRRhexx's theory that the Dragonborn would replace Miraak in Apocrypha and in ESVI we will hear about him still being trapped there
OK, this may sound silly, but the big problem with many empires, benign or malevolent, lies not with the ultimate ruler, but with those serving him. So much is done by other in the name of a ruler that very careful vetting must be done to ensure that the policies are carried out as instructed by said ruler. eg You have a nice guy in charge, concerned with making sure things are going well for everyone. What about his main advisers? Are they good people? Because they also wield the power of the king/emperor, just in his name. You get one bad seed in that lot, everything goes to hell. Same with an evil ruler, except you may get a someone who tries to mitigate the worst of the damage.
I actually think that's if Bethesda had to choose between dawnguard in volkihar as Cannon they would have chosen volkihar because one thing everybody neglected to mention... Is that if you ask arngeir why dragonrend is so bad... He essentially says that it turns people evil (more actually racist towards the dragons but evil is evil is EVIL)... I think it makes the most sense for the dragonborn to become evil after defeating alduin/ learning dragonrend and at that point he's just out for himself...
I feel like canonically the Dragonborn will end up evil no matter what, simply by the power-hungry mentality he/she has.
I think canonically he has 100% in skyrim, he has all the dragon priest masks, all the Daedric Artifacts, Killed the Emperor, is the champion of at least 3 different Daedras, has all the shouts, Is thane of all nine holds, holds the blood of the vampires and possibly even blotted out the sun (though I'm unsure of that one)
It only makes sense for the character because at his/her core he craves power and I think will do nearly anything for even an ounce more even kill my boy Partysnax.
Yeah my dragonborn is outright protective of innocent people who killed only those who were harmful to skyrim, he may be a vampire but he turned for the sole purpose of making sure serana will never be alone and always have someone who she could rely upon when she needs to.
My Dragonborn killed Titus Mead, Ulfric Stormcloak, General Tulius, Lord Harkon, Miraak, and Alduin himself simply to eliminate competition for Dominion of Tamriel. Between The Blades, Companions, Mage's and Thieves' Guilds, and The Dark Brotherhood collectively functioning as the secret police, The Dominion is next.
I’ve wondered that too. I’m assuming he’ll be stuck in oblivion but if he did turn it would probably take all the old hero’s and a new one to take him down.
Me: I’m not evil, I defeated alduin!
Also me: *quicksaves in the middle of whiterun*
I'd say him killing Harkon and not using the bow to end the sun makes him more good then bad. Because at that point the dragonborn was just as likely as not to be a vampire lord. And not having to deal with the sun would be a huge power grab. At least as Harkon was selling it. We all know it was the dumb idea. And even if the dragonborn knew it was, it proves he is smart enough to know a bad idea when he sees one. As he is not a full dov and not as strongly tempted as the base instincts of the dragon. He would not have his judgements clouded to make the same mistake that lead to tyrants being over thrown.
How ever he could take out the high elve empire single handedly if he masters both magic and one handed
Well, my dragonborn is a necromancer, a werewolf, the leader of the thieves guild and the dark brotherhood, a cannibal and he really likes to trap people's souls into the soul cairn so... Yeah, i think he is kinda evil
He also eats dragon souls and has a fork that does 999999999 damage by picking flowers and burning butterflies, and quick saving before killing merchants to restock their trades and then quick loads
The Dragonborn is canonically a vampire. So idk if he can be a good guy when your in service to Molag Baal. The most comically evil being in existence.
The dragonborn, seeing how weak the empire is, enrolls in the legion or enlists in the Stormcloaks, from here win the war, do the dark Brotherhood quest and kills the emperor and claims the throne because he is dragonborn. And from here lead the next thalmor war
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Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So it does make sense. However, at the end of the day, it really depends on whether or not the Dragonborn is willing control that nature and restrict himself / herself to using his / her power only for the right thing. Maybe this is one of the reasons why the Greybeards are willing to guide the Dragonborn.
The only way is doing what Paarthunaax did. Focus on learning the way of the voice and meditate to overcome its inner nature. Dragons are born to dominate, their nature is to be lords of the world at any cost. He would be forced to live in seclusion after defeating Miraak for the sake of the world and leave it to capable people their future.
Anything you wanna be
Evil or good Skyrim has no limits
What do you mean by evil? Unpleasant to humans and alike?
Would you call a scientist 'evil' because he poured liquid aluminium into an ants nests just to do some research?
From the ants' perspective a dominant slayer is evil but he himself is simply way beyond the ants.
Now... would a dragonborn be evil once you are aware how insignificant humans are to him?
Well it's like what the greybeards say after you beat Alduin, will you be a hero sang in songs, or will your name be a curse? (Not exact wording, but it's similar)
Well with all those dragon souls absorbed, I could see why the Dragonborn would start acting more dragon like. And of course being exposed to a lot of daedric influence, especially Hermaeus Mora’s could cause them to be more evil. But maybe they don’t become evil, they just become more chaotic.
I have typically played as a nice guy who is friendly to civilians, even those I disagree with and I have been extremely violent toward people who would hurt civilians.... I imagine him one day forging a small community of his allies to sit inside the rotting empire but.... maybe he would turn heel? I wouldn't want that, but it could happen.
Secretly? My Dragonborn has depopulated entire towns!
In my game, I'm not secretly evil, I am openly evil.
He comes a vampire lord and marries serana and lives happily ever after
I wouldn't say the dragonborn has to be secretly evil but definitely would have become high king and possibly started a new empire similar to Talos. That is assuming the dragonborn didn't become a servant for Hermaeus mora
What if the dragonborn married who ever the moot chose as skyrim's new king or queen and ruled at there side
The Dragonborn is the most prolific serial-killer in the history of Tamriel
What if the Dragonborn is neither evil nor good, but follows "a different path"? Like in Star Wars, there is the Dark Side and the Light Side of the Force. But there are also some practitioners who straddle the two. They are the Grey Jedi.
Perhaps the Dragonborn is the Grey Jedi of the Elder Scrolls universe.
Lorewise Dragonborns are indeed predisposed to become evil - like in the DLC.
I love how you don’t usually do a 10 minute long video you deserve so much more support my guy
Nerevarine went to Akavirri and chilling out
Hero of Kvatch becomes god of madness (sheogorath)
Dragonborn went to realm of Apocrypha and lives forever until the everything destroyed by Numidium
No, that's up to us. And for me the Dovahkiin is neutral, cold, cruel, but isn't evil. Just does what he's ordered to do.
Basically something like Master Chief from halo.
The answer to that question is as varied as it is subjective; in NONE of my playtrhoughs of TESV, with any character I've made did they CHOSE to be Dragonborn, the power(s) and the title was simply thrust upon my character, who usually BARELY utilized shouts except in dire situations or to escape or something like that. They never used it to grab power or to dominate MAINLY doe to the reason/innate feeling that any victory achieved by/with that power would be hollow and not earned, since it wasn't won/achieved by their own power/merit. That's how I've always felt; also - when I actuall was playing through the main quest and embraced baing 'Dragonborn', I always tried to follow the Greybeards teachings and the Way of Jurgen Windcaller - IF - I was using my shouts at all.
I generally find being Dragonborn limiting and not flexible when I (role)play in Skyrim... but that's just me I guess.
IF I were ever to use the powers, it would be to help whatever faction (Stormclocaks/Empire) I've sided with ( if at all ) during the story and then drive the Thalmor completely out of Skyrim, Cyrodiil and the other 'provinces' and help restore order, but NOT to gain a position of power ( i.e. trying to be Emperor or something like that ), since I find it to be, again, very limiting and I don't like to be tied down.
After all's done and some resemblance of peace and order in Tamriel has been restored, my character would very much go exploring OUTSIDE the Tamriel continent and go to other continents ( i.e. Akavir ) or/and islands and live through countless adventures!
My Dragonborn character, Osiris the Khajiit, is more of a chaotic neutral. I'm pretty bloodthirsty when it comes to fighting and killing my enemies, but I also avoid killing innocents. I still feel bad about killing Vittoria and Gaius Maro tbh.
Secretly? My dragonborn is strait up psychotic. The only reason anyone is still alive in Skyrim is because Bethesda made them essential.
there were spells in Oblivion that allowed one to mind control others. I used custom versions of said spell liberally.
I think the Dragonborn is neutral. If you assume he would do all the quests that are available in Skyrim (asuming he choses Dawnguard over Volkihar) then he would both save people through these quests as well as kill them.
I think the dragonborn will be too busy buying and decorating new houses too become evil
Title: is the dragonborn secretly evil?
Speed the fast (yes that is what I called him) who is a vampire lord or werewolf or both who fucked of right before entering the soulkern to become a werewolf and then ask serana to turn him back into a vampire lord, went after miraak while time was of the essence to kill serana's dad. Tried to join serena's dad. Left the companions to fend of the silver hand by themselves and killed most if not all of the dawnguard in werewolf form: I'm just a bit hungry for power
Only if you choose to be, then again the kids, the guards, the homicidal nords killing each other, sure why not, quicksave
I hope not. Because we've already had a Dragon Born antagonist in a DLC for Skyrim.