THEN & NOW - Back to the Future 3 Set Visit - Hill Valley 1885 - Michael J. Fox & Christopher Lloyd

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  • Опубликовано: 24 янв 2025

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  • @michaelderenne9838
    @michaelderenne9838 10 месяцев назад +19

    That footage isnt only priceless its movie history. Very cool. Thanks for sharing

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  10 месяцев назад +1

      Very kind of you! Thank you for the comment - much appreciated!

  • @maxrivera9825
    @maxrivera9825 Год назад +5

    Thank you so much for showing this.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +3

      You’re welcome - thank you for checking out the video and being a part of the channel!

  • @Graphite42
    @Graphite42 Год назад +10

    Visited the prop department during filming. They were set up in the Railtown 1897 Tri-Dam building.
    They had, if I remember correctly, five Delorean time machines. One was the 1950's version, one was a hover craft version that was being modified with train wheels, one was a regular time machine they had as backup, and one was split in half for close ups of the dash. The guys there were cool, and let me sit in the original version. Also, being constructed out of balsa wood in a corner was the full sized rail guard the train crashes through at the end of the film. I remember one of the guys mentioning they were getting ready to transport the 50's car out to Monument Valley for shooting. At the time I had no idea what they ware talking about. LOL I'm sure there were other things laying around that I missed, but being able to sit in a real Delorean time machine was just mind blowing.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +2

      Amazing! Thanks for sharing this!

  • @jimrockford4309
    @jimrockford4309 Год назад +16

    Two of my high schools friends snuck onto the set when they weren't filming and ended up getting ticketed and tossed by the Sheriff's dept. for trespassing. A couple weeks later me and 3 other friends snuck out there while they were filming. Couldn't see much because we were hiding near the trees but a buddy climbed up a tree to get a better look and all he saw was somebody from the crew taking a dump near some bushes and the guy just pulled up his pants when he was finished. Went back a couple weeks later with a friend after they were done filming and actually snuck on the set. On the way to the set there was a Deloreon fitted with locomotive wheels. I snagged Mr. Fusion off the back. It was a Krupps coffee grinder with a funky base bondoed to it. I had it for years but I lost it in one of my many moves. My buddy snagged the Hill Valley sign you see @ 2:55 mark. It hung in his garage for years. I also grabbed a nice cast iron spitoon that was inside the bar and a yoke for a horse. The only thing I have left is the spitoon. We were nervous walking around there so we didn't load up too much. I don't think any security was there that night but you never know. Couldn't wait to see the movie when it came out and was a little disappointed when it did.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +2

      Wow! Crazy story!!! 🤣🤣🤣

    • @VITAS874
      @VITAS874 8 месяцев назад

      Why disappointed ? 😂

    • @jimrockford4309
      @jimrockford4309 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@VITAS874 Because the movie sucked. It was the worst one out of the three.

    • @alfonszitterbacke318
      @alfonszitterbacke318 8 месяцев назад +1

      "This belongs in a museum!"
      - Dr. Indiana Jones

    • @Shazdaz-k3j
      @Shazdaz-k3j Месяц назад

      I bet Thomas willson was the one taking a dump behind the trees 😮

  • @germaninvenice
    @germaninvenice Год назад +13

    That was absolutely incredible. I wish I could’ve been there. Good job.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +3

      Thank you 🙏🏻!!

    • @grohuskochris
      @grohuskochris Год назад +2

      ​@@jntipton Hey there, i worked with a hollywood show, mtv ridiculousness season 18 episode 7, but how did you get copyright release/permission from Universal to use the intellectual property from the movie in between your clips

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад

      @@grohuskochris I love ridiculousness!!!! Hit me up on IG to discuss.

  • @CathalCoolkirky
    @CathalCoolkirky Год назад +3

    Heavy................ amazing video for us fans. Thank you

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +2

      Thanks for the comment - you are welcome and glad you enjoyed!

  • @davidlestervoice8914
    @davidlestervoice8914 Год назад +1

    Its so sad this was lost. I was in Sonora in May 2022. Fortunate to visit Railtown and see the park. Really would have enjoyed seeing the old set.🥴

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Railtown is pretty cool! I wish it was still there! Thanks for checking out the video and dropping the comment!

  • @vixercrouchrichter
    @vixercrouchrichter Год назад +15

    "RUN FOR FUN"

    • @MortalWarz
      @MortalWarz 7 месяцев назад +5

      What the hell kind of fun is that?

  • @Echho1
    @Echho1 Год назад +2

    This is heavy! Awesome then/now tour, thank you! Beautiful part of California 🕰

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Thank you!! Appreciate it!

  • @WoodsPrecisionArms
    @WoodsPrecisionArms 3 месяца назад +1

    This was a. Excellent video

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  3 месяца назад +2

      Thank you!

  • @rappeezy
    @rappeezy Год назад +3

    Thank you so much for sharing this!

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Thank you for the nice words!! Much appreciated !

  • @SergioSabinoMusicOfficial
    @SergioSabinoMusicOfficial 4 месяца назад +1

    What a great tour! Priceless!

  • @bd94s10
    @bd94s10 Год назад +6

    Hello, thank you for doing this. I think I recall watching your video in the past and I just came across this one on my RUclips feed… It’s awesome that you took the time to do this my father took my sister and I to see part two in November 1989, and then of course we went in May 1990 to see part three and it’s so cool to have this footage in for you to take the time in line the stuff up. Thank you very much. 👍🏽👍🏽

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      I appreciate the kind words. Thank you - glad you enjoyed it!

  • @RageONTv
    @RageONTv Год назад +2

    I remember I was a kid when I went to byte the ride! My mind was blown and i enjoyed every single second of it! Haven’t felt anything like it since . I’m sure it was the same for you too !
    Thank you for uploading this .

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Thank you for the comment!! Appreciate you 🤝

  • @explorandocidadeseregioes
    @explorandocidadeseregioes Год назад +1

    That's awesome! I'm a big fan of the trilogy, good job! I am Francesco from São Paulo, Brazil.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Thanks Francesco!! Thanks for being a part of the channel!

  • @shanetipton4345
    @shanetipton4345 3 года назад +7

    Nicely done. Never got a good look even though we drove by that hundreds of times

  • @TheDontflinch
    @TheDontflinch Год назад +2

    Love seeing this, very cool. Sad that the entire set is gone now, but I know that is common in Hollywood.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +2

      Thank you for the comment - agreed it’s sad.

    • @Rob-z7k
      @Rob-z7k Год назад +1

      They dont really make western movies or tv shows anymore to keep it around

  • @maxadventures1
    @maxadventures1 Год назад +1

    Excellent job on this! Super cool you have real footage of the set! So many youtubers do this video and they are junk, but yours is the real deal! Glad i stumbled on this

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Thank you!! Really appreciate the comment and being a part of the channel! 🤝

  • @stoopid79
    @stoopid79 Год назад +3

    What a lovely video, and what a treasure for you! Forgot what a slick movie BTTF3 is, love your T-shirts from the time ! I wonder if you still possess them hehe Rad ! Take care x

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Good question! I definitely have a few from back in the day. BTTF3 was definitely a good one! Thanks for dropping in and taking the time to leave a comment. Appreciate you 🤝

  • @-The-Darkside
    @-The-Darkside Год назад +8

    I love seeing things that are now impossible to see, everyone has seen the first 2 movies locations over and over (there's even a cool video from the neighbour of martys house filming between takes) but finally something new and it's glorious. Thank you for sharing dude. I'm sure this will get a lot more views throughout the years as people find and share it.
    Subbed

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +2

      Thanks for this awesome post and the sub!! You rock - really appreciate it!

    • @neilmcphee1554
      @neilmcphee1554 Год назад +1

      @@jntiptonyou said then and now ? Not then and then...

    • @artross7279
      @artross7279 Год назад

      @@jntipton buy yourself a microphone. You could just as well just walk there and say nothing. Still nothing is heard.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      @@artross7279 uuuuhhhh . . . This footage was filmed in 1990. It’s an archeological find that it exists because the set burned down decades ago. You get what you get from the technology of the time 🙄

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      @@neilmcphee1554 yep - you are right technically a then and then

  • @lois2118
    @lois2118 3 года назад +18

    This is jaw dropping!! Historical, informative, perfect edits, entertaining. You are amazing! This is a must see!!!!

  • @anadraham2995
    @anadraham2995 Год назад +3

    This is a total gem 💎

  • @noblemav
    @noblemav 11 месяцев назад +2

    Very well done 👍 and it was the best 3 par trilogy movie ever made.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  11 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you - agreed!!

  • @russian9213
    @russian9213 9 месяцев назад +1

    Super cool video

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  8 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you!

  • @davidewhite69
    @davidewhite69 Год назад +1

    6:43 the BTTF 3, it's bar and the barman was the inspiration for a scene in the 1990 video game 'Mad Dog McCree', the barman is dressed exactly the same, even with the same arm bands, and note the name "mad dog" as in mad dog tannen

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Great insights thank you!

  • @mikejb2011
    @mikejb2011 Год назад +2

    its too bad that the set isnt there anymore :(

  • @rentedrubbergloves
    @rentedrubbergloves Год назад +1

    This is so cool. Thanks for uploading 👍👍

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Thanks 🙏🏻 for the comment! You’re welcome and glad you enjoyed! Appreciate you! 🤝

  • @LiLgPnoy15
    @LiLgPnoy15 Год назад +7

    The best trilogy ever!!!!

  • @1000motorman
    @1000motorman 3 месяца назад +1

    I heard it burned down twice due to lightning and the train station and the one building where they loaded the DeLorean at was from High plains drifter

  • @jaytip10
    @jaytip10 3 года назад +4

    Awesome!!!👏🏻

  • @maddrummer910
    @maddrummer910 2 года назад +2

    Oh man that was your video!? I watched that like a year ago and fan girled over it, very cool to see you in present day good back! Nevermind i just finished the video, I thought you went back?

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for checking it out and appreciate the kind words!

  • @donalddday7741
    @donalddday7741 11 месяцев назад +1

    use to drive past going camping and saw the train and trailers around and wondered what was going on at tje time

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  11 месяцев назад +1

      Yep exactly - and they had the billboards along 108 covered in camouflage during the months they filmed.

  • @mdudek1000
    @mdudek1000 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thomas Wilson really stepped up in this film. I would say he was the star of the show

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  7 месяцев назад +1

      Definitely

  • @joe-pm3lb
    @joe-pm3lb Год назад +1

    the railroad station and bar were used in John Wayne moves chasm and the shortest

  • @russian9213
    @russian9213 9 месяцев назад +1

    Doc could cold roll brass in 1800s, make refrigeration work, but couldn't make a gasoline substitute?

  • @TheNightAttacks
    @TheNightAttacks Год назад +1

    Badass!

  • @Tux7916
    @Tux7916 Год назад +2

    its pretty sad to see the set abandoned like that

  • @joebustos3513
    @joebustos3513 8 месяцев назад +2

    I've Been There with my Parent's To See That Set Before it unfortunately Burned Down

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  7 месяцев назад +2

      Glad you got to see it!

  • @jimsmith3971
    @jimsmith3971 9 месяцев назад +1

    I'm so overjoyed that you created this video that I feel I have to type with a speech impediment. "Your bibbeo was grape main."

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  8 месяцев назад +1

      Hahahahha thank you

  • @Sweet68Camaro
    @Sweet68Camaro 13 дней назад +1

    Wow. That guy talking in the video is dressed just like we all did in the late 80’s early 90’s in California.

  • @samueljweston
    @samueljweston Год назад +4

    This video… 🤯 like a time capsule. Incredible. In another timeline, imagine that set being something that people could visit as an attraction. Such a shame it all just turned to ash.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +2

      Thank you - and totally agree 💯

  • @hectorlopez1069
    @hectorlopez1069 2 года назад +11

    The days when horses were like automobiles to ride around. I think the DeLorean was the only car there in the old west.

    • @VincenzoBarbato
      @VincenzoBarbato Год назад +2

      there were 2 DeLoreans in the old west, the one doc buried and the one Marty went back with

    • @ChuckEboi
      @ChuckEboi Год назад

      Wrong

    • @b.ramit88
      @b.ramit88 Год назад

      ​@VincenzoBarbato you are correct so the no gas thing bugged me like just go get the gas from the dolorian doc buried for Marty to find in 1955

    • @hectorlopez1069
      @hectorlopez1069 Год назад

      @@VincenzoBarbato that the same one doc buried, remember Marty was in 1955, him and doc got the buried DeLorean.

  • @mantsov
    @mantsov Год назад +1

    Здравствуйте! Подскажите где на карте находится железнодорожная станция этого городка и существует ли на самом деле это ответвление дороги, заканчивающейся пропастью? На карте нашёл только старую железную дорогу, начинающуюся из Соноры.

  • @jackwatsonepic626
    @jackwatsonepic626 Год назад +2

    I always thought they only build that for the film and tore it down afterwards 🇬🇧

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +2

      Yeah they kept this one up with plans to keep it as a western studio set until it burned down.

  • @DadsGarageDIY
    @DadsGarageDIY 3 года назад +5

    Love almost all Michael J Fox movies.

    • @hectorlopez1069
      @hectorlopez1069 2 года назад +3

      Teen Wolf and Doc Hollywood are good.

    • @DadsGarageDIY
      @DadsGarageDIY 2 года назад +3

      @@hectorlopez1069 I agree! Love them both.

  • @MrPhilpalmer4
    @MrPhilpalmer4 Год назад

    5:13. Thats the bar, not the store.

  • @tracyleewilliamson4727
    @tracyleewilliamson4727 Год назад +1

    cool

  • @JörgBauch
    @JörgBauch Год назад +1

    When comes Back to the Future: Part 4?

  • @outdooradventures1361
    @outdooradventures1361 7 месяцев назад +2

    Love this video it's a shame the town was burnt down in 1996

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  7 месяцев назад

      Thank you! Definitely sad!

  • @ramanjeet1111
    @ramanjeet1111 Год назад +1

    i thought it was shot in film studio

  • @fretlessproductionscalifor4854
    @fretlessproductionscalifor4854 Год назад +1

    I found Shonash Ravine! Flew my drone over it!

  • @DadsGarageDIY
    @DadsGarageDIY 3 года назад +3

    I don’t know how you do this Jared. This is really awesome!

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  3 года назад +2

      Thank you sir!! Appreciate the support!!

    • @DadsGarageDIY
      @DadsGarageDIY 3 года назад +1

      @@jntipton Always my friend!

  • @hectorlopez1069
    @hectorlopez1069 2 года назад +2

    Mr. Strickland is Marshall Strickland trying to protect the old west.

  • @juanr3231
    @juanr3231 2 года назад +1

    2022 that doesn't exists anymore it's empty 😔 😕

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  2 года назад +1

      Yep. Burned down years ago. Sad.

  • @jonos138
    @jonos138 Год назад +1

    Its more then and then, not then an now, as you said, it doesnt exist anymore to take footage of today which is a shame. Would have been great to see it now in better quality footage.
    Thanks for posting.
    I wonder why they left the buildings but took down the signs like 'Sheriffs office' etc?

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Yep - sad. And definitely more then and then but this is closest that could be done.

  • @hectorlopez1069
    @hectorlopez1069 2 года назад +1

    Marty mcfly meets Biff Tannen great-grandfather, Buford Mad Dog Tannen in 1885.

  • @tomdotson6053
    @tomdotson6053 Год назад +1

    Wow thanks for this

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Thanks 🙏🏻 for checking it out and supporting my channel!

  • @John-es7zn
    @John-es7zn Год назад +1

    Then and then really if its been destroyed now

  • @and1424
    @and1424 Год назад +2

    Where is Clara school and house filming location located? Always wanted to know that

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +2

      It’s right in the same vicinity there - if you stand near the train station you can see the rooftop of the school. Or, you could at the time before it burned down.

    • @and1424
      @and1424 Год назад +1

      @@jntipton thank you! I hope its still there.they were also built for the movie?

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      @@and1424 yes built just for movie - unfortunately they burned with rest of set. Sad 😢

    • @and1424
      @and1424 Год назад

      @@jntipton yes thats sad. Thank you

  • @coolbart66
    @coolbart66 Год назад +1

    What are the GPS coordinates for this set?

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +3

      37.8655548095703, -120.50121307373

  • @DRSEXPLORING
    @DRSEXPLORING Год назад +1

    The 'now' part looks like it was filmed a long time ago using an old camera.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Exactly - it was . . . Since the set burner down many years ago this is best we could get. More of a then and then lol but sadly the set no longer exists. Thanks for dropping a comment and being a part of the channel.

  • @MavAuto-Pete
    @MavAuto-Pete 3 года назад +3

    So sad its not around anymore.
    Was it a bush fire that destroyed it in late 1990?
    Nicely filmed by the way.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  3 года назад +2

      Thank you! Yes exactly - started by lightening strike and swept through fast. Obviously those wood structures were like fast fuel for the fire.

    • @dwaynethemineraljohnson412
      @dwaynethemineraljohnson412 2 года назад +8

      @@jntipton a lighting strike seems kind of ironnic for back to the future

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  2 года назад +3

      @@dwaynethemineraljohnson412 lol!! You’re right!

    • @josephwilliams8684
      @josephwilliams8684 Год назад +2

      @@dwaynethemineraljohnson412 Yeah, the lightning strikes the clock tower and the delorean in the Back to the Future movies and then strikes 1885 Hill Valley set for real!! Crazy!!

  • @1whical
    @1whical Год назад +4

    I'm sorry, but isn't this "then and 3 months later"? Its not considered "now" if you're showing footage from 1990. 🤷‍♂

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +2

      Sure . . . But with a set that burned down it’s best we can do within my format of then and now. Hope you still enjoyed. Thanks 🙏🏻!!

  • @20PhantoM07
    @20PhantoM07 Год назад +1

    No wayyyyy!

  • @DJRIKYP
    @DJRIKYP Год назад +2

    this set burnt down in 1996 by a grass fire

  • @shaunsteele6926
    @shaunsteele6926 Год назад +1

    filmed in January and it was supposed to be September lol

  • @SaltyNationalist
    @SaltyNationalist Год назад +1

    Does the guy you filmed back then, know his younger self is on RUclips today??
    How heavy is that?? That's heavy..😂

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +2

      Dude . . . You just blew my mind!!!! Very heavy!!!!

  • @Linorodarteofficial
    @Linorodarteofficial Год назад +6

    Would you mind sharing the location of this. I know it might be empty but just maybe getting to go and walk where this film was recorded would be awesome as I am a huge fan of the Back to The Future trilogy. Thank you for this video!

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +4

      Sure no problem. It’s a bit southwest of Jamestown Ca. If you want an exact map location DM me on IG and I’ll send it. Thank you for the kind words!!

  • @b.ramit88
    @b.ramit88 Год назад +1

    Thanks for sharing i love this trilogy but the whole they dont have gas thing bothered me because the dolorian still buried in the cave had plenty of gas they could've used 😂

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Good point! 😂 thanks for watching and dropping a comment! Appreciate you being a part of the channel!! 🙏🏻

  • @26DeislerFCB
    @26DeislerFCB Год назад +2

    mj fox was a real talent, underrated

  • @fernandogabrielrosalescastro
    @fernandogabrielrosalescastro Месяц назад +1

    15:42 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃

  • @TheNightAttacks
    @TheNightAttacks Год назад +1

    Hillerman Valley!

  • @emotionalideas
    @emotionalideas Год назад +1

    I always thought of Doc's barn...I get the way that leaving all those removed roof slats makes for great dappled light that looks great in camera but Jesus.. he is always so screwed when it rains.

  • @musicworldtreasures
    @musicworldtreasures Год назад +1

    I bet someone really burnt the set down!

  • @pauljones8135
    @pauljones8135 Год назад +1

    Shame the set burn down and nothing there now

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      I know . . . Sucks

  • @markcatanzaro9699
    @markcatanzaro9699 6 месяцев назад +1

    Isn't that an awful lot of money to reshoe a horse back then? Even if you figured in the cost of the horse, $80 seems like way more than it would be

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  5 месяцев назад +1

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @markcatanzaro9699
      @markcatanzaro9699 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@jntipton am I crazy? I don't know shit about horses 😕

  • @borispopov2461
    @borispopov2461 Год назад +1

    👌👍💓

  • @jasonjkruger
    @jasonjkruger Год назад

    What happened to everything on set? Imagine having that bar in your man cave 😳

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад

      That would be amazing. At the time of this video all production had just moved out. Subsequent to this the entire set burned down in a wild fire I’m fold was started by lightning , , , kind of ironic given the clock tower and lightning etc

  • @DadsGarageDIY
    @DadsGarageDIY 3 года назад +2

    Back to the Future my favorite movie of all time! Back to the Future III not so much. This is really cool to see this though.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  3 года назад +2

      The original is perfect - this one is fun but not the original for sure

    • @DadsGarageDIY
      @DadsGarageDIY 3 года назад +1

      @@jntipton I give 1 a 10 of 10, and 2 and 8 of 10.

  • @ginaboos9563
    @ginaboos9563 Год назад

    Times up runt

  • @DRvids630
    @DRvids630 2 года назад +1

    😀😀😀😀

  • @Samy-q1g
    @Samy-q1g 8 месяцев назад +1

    "88 miles per hour"

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  7 месяцев назад +1

      🤣🤣🤣

  • @EvilScrooge
    @EvilScrooge Год назад +1

    Should've been called Then and Then.

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  Год назад +1

      Ha! Good point . . . but it no longer exists so, well it is what it is.

  • @RodrigoMJ32
    @RodrigoMJ32 Год назад +2

    Too bad everything got destroyed..

  • @bonkers5016
    @bonkers5016 11 месяцев назад +1

    This is the filming where Michael almost got hung being pulled....and....he noticed first signs of Parkinsons😢

    • @jntipton
      @jntipton  11 месяцев назад +1

      Yes sad

  • @pauljones8135
    @pauljones8135 5 месяцев назад +1

    Shame it burn down the set

  • @vixercrouchrichter
    @vixercrouchrichter Год назад +1

    ALWAYS MISTOOK MICHAEL J. FOX FOR EMILIO ESTEVEZ.

  • @PP-ur3wb
    @PP-ur3wb Год назад +1

    日光江戸村とか京都太秦みたいなものか

  • @CavManning-k2t
    @CavManning-k2t Год назад +2

    Jared, I am trying to find this exact location, I live near by but having a hell of a time find out what roads or what to take to get there, I dmed u on ig, help!!!!

  • @kellymulderino7156
    @kellymulderino7156 Год назад +1

    the clock tower in 1885 had a mountain behind it. that mountain would have still been there in 1955 and 1985 ;)