I'm happy with that result, but honestly a bit surprised haha... Carthage is my favorite faction in Rome, but I always felt like their strength was "strategic" rather than "tactical" -- Carthage's specific roster isn't that great (except elephants, which are objectively awesome and I do not care if they are cost effective or not haha), but if you manage the campaign map macroeconomy well, and then you can do things like spam mercenaries at the enemy until they're dead xD ... it's nice to see Poeni Infantry actually perform somewhat effectively in their role hahaha
Потому,что это один из худших т4 пехотных юнитов,на ряду с гвардией фараона и бастарнами. Зачем пуническая пехота,когда на том же уровне города уже можно строить священный отряд
@@ТотсамыйАдольф Because Sacred Band are only available in Public Order Temple buildings, are more expensive, and take two turns which is especially hard in the early game when the rest of your infantry is so much worse meaning what few Sacred Band you get will have their flanks exposed and eventually be surrounded. Poeni Infantry balance your more Elite Sacred Band so they are not the sole infantry unit keeping your battle line intact and perform their job well and are more easily available when they can be recruited due to only taking one turn.
@@rorschach1985ifyв начале игры вы пехотой не воюете,а к середине у вас сицилия и африка в руках,денег море,города крутые,и можете штамповать банду хоть везде.Храмы кстати дешевле казарм,и строятся быстрее.Смысл пунийской пехоты в том,чтобы продержать гарнизон в свежезахваченном городе,пока отстраиваете храмы.Для полевого боя вам хватит прекрасной кавалерии и слонов с минимумом фаланги,а значит вы обязаны покупать лучшее
@ I disagree. I found the economy gets bad when you just start recruiting all those units in the early game as Carthage due to the high upkeep for elites like Sacred Band and especially Elephants, which BTW, are only available in your North African settlements, and therefore take longer to get to the frontlines. Not to mention with how most of Carthage's settlements are underdeveloped and need building up to get decent units, you can't just spam Temple buildings in all of them, you need some trade and farming temples to help them developed before you can start getting the right build requirements. You kind of do need infantry just to not have a hard or boring time with sieges and Elephants are going to taking time and being expansive to recruit and that's if the AI does not cause those early game Elephants to run amok thanks to fire arrows making them as harmful to you as the enemy. They struggle even harder in cities thanks to crappy pathfinding and don't get me started on how badly VH makes even your light cav and smaller Elephants almost useless thanks to the huge buff the AI gets. Poeni are viable to get you a decent army that can support your smaller and harder to get elite units like Sacred Band.
So, cost for cost Poeni Infantry are better than Pharaoh's Guard. Makes sense, while they are worse in general battle sense, they are better in the campaign as well due to being cheaper and only taking one turn which means you can get more of them faster than you would other tier 4 infantry units. Underpowered as they are, Poeni Infantry is still good and is more useful to their specific faction than Pharoah's Guard is for Egypt since the only real purpose for Pharoah's Guard beside the typical anti-cav function to protect the Archers, the real killers of the Egyptian army, is doing slightly better against higher quality infantry units which it almost never does. Nile Spearmen could perform the first part of their job fine and you can always use Cavalry, Chariots, and Archers to help make up for the lack of killing power for the Spearmen whereas Poeni Infantry are the only other Phalanx unit available for Carthage beside Sacred Band and they are easier to recruit when the right building is available than the latter so they can help fill out your armies to better support the more powerful but more expansive and longer to recruit Sacred Band.
" May Pharoh's thanks warm your soul" "The magnificent Pharaoh smiles upon your proposal " Sorry for my irrelevant comment, seeing those Pharaoh guards just remind me of trade deals respons with Egypt😂 always sent boats with diplomat as Julii to Egypt Anyway other people alrdy voice my thoughs, wp poeni
The old east mediterranean contest, an above average class canaanite infantryman against an elite guard of the god-king himself, let's see what god is best 🤣
hastati plus one armor plus one weapons vs principes .... libyan spearman plus one weapons plus one armor vs triari/auxilia ..... light lancer plus one weapons plus one armor vs greek cavalry
@ Thanks for the comment. Actually, beating Light Lancers is pretty much the only thing Greek Cav is capable based on a recent light cav test :) Link below: ruclips.net/video/2qnXebu6M7Y/видео.html
@@hernanreipp3321 They are not a Pike Phalanx unit, they are a Spear Phalanx unit. Macedon, Seleucids, Pontus, and Thrace are the only factions in Rome 1 to use proper Pikes.
@@rorschach1985ify Their weapons are too long to be considered a spear, whose full length is 240cm maximum. A pike otherwise is above that from 300cm to 700cm. But I don't even get why we try to find real accuracy on a type of soldier that no longer existed in that period and never fought in that manner anyway.
0:32 The Poeni infantryman in the background sneaking away from the fight. lol!
I guess he deemed the battle unwinnable :) Thanks for the comment.
I like the idea of testing the units upgraded/cost matched with upgrades
Yea, the results can be rather interesting :) Thanks for the comment.
I'm happy with that result, but honestly a bit surprised haha... Carthage is my favorite faction in Rome, but I always felt like their strength was "strategic" rather than "tactical" -- Carthage's specific roster isn't that great (except elephants, which are objectively awesome and I do not care if they are cost effective or not haha), but if you manage the campaign map macroeconomy well, and then you can do things like spam mercenaries at the enemy until they're dead xD ... it's nice to see Poeni Infantry actually perform somewhat effectively in their role hahaha
Yea, they did surprisingly well :) Thanks for the comment.
Carthage has some quality units, especially the Sacred Band :) ... it's just their early tier units are very poor in comparison with other factions.
They have imo the best missiles infantry unit, amd the most cost effective phalanx unit. They've always been good in multiplayer.
Poeni infantry is one of those units i feel often gets overlooked
Потому,что это один из худших т4 пехотных юнитов,на ряду с гвардией фараона и бастарнами.
Зачем пуническая пехота,когда на том же уровне города уже можно строить священный отряд
Yea, for a "basic" unit, they seem quite nice :) Thanks for the comment.
@@ТотсамыйАдольф Because Sacred Band are only available in Public Order Temple buildings, are more expensive, and take two turns which is especially hard in the early game when the rest of your infantry is so much worse meaning what few Sacred Band you get will have their flanks exposed and eventually be surrounded. Poeni Infantry balance your more Elite Sacred Band so they are not the sole infantry unit keeping your battle line intact and perform their job well and are more easily available when they can be recruited due to only taking one turn.
@@rorschach1985ifyв начале игры вы пехотой не воюете,а к середине у вас сицилия и африка в руках,денег море,города крутые,и можете штамповать банду хоть везде.Храмы кстати дешевле казарм,и строятся быстрее.Смысл пунийской пехоты в том,чтобы продержать гарнизон в свежезахваченном городе,пока отстраиваете храмы.Для полевого боя вам хватит прекрасной кавалерии и слонов с минимумом фаланги,а значит вы обязаны покупать лучшее
@ I disagree. I found the economy gets bad when you just start recruiting all those units in the early game as Carthage due to the high upkeep for elites like Sacred Band and especially Elephants, which BTW, are only available in your North African settlements, and therefore take longer to get to the frontlines. Not to mention with how most of Carthage's settlements are underdeveloped and need building up to get decent units, you can't just spam Temple buildings in all of them, you need some trade and farming temples to help them developed before you can start getting the right build requirements. You kind of do need infantry just to not have a hard or boring time with sieges and Elephants are going to taking time and being expansive to recruit and that's if the AI does not cause those early game Elephants to run amok thanks to fire arrows making them as harmful to you as the enemy. They struggle even harder in cities thanks to crappy pathfinding and don't get me started on how badly VH makes even your light cav and smaller Elephants almost useless thanks to the huge buff the AI gets. Poeni are viable to get you a decent army that can support your smaller and harder to get elite units like Sacred Band.
Remember kids: Always train and improve equipment for your troops whenever you can!
A sound advice :) Thanks for the comment.
So, cost for cost Poeni Infantry are better than Pharaoh's Guard. Makes sense, while they are worse in general battle sense, they are better in the campaign as well due to being cheaper and only taking one turn which means you can get more of them faster than you would other tier 4 infantry units. Underpowered as they are, Poeni Infantry is still good and is more useful to their specific faction than Pharoah's Guard is for Egypt since the only real purpose for Pharoah's Guard beside the typical anti-cav function to protect the Archers, the real killers of the Egyptian army, is doing slightly better against higher quality infantry units which it almost never does. Nile Spearmen could perform the first part of their job fine and you can always use Cavalry, Chariots, and Archers to help make up for the lack of killing power for the Spearmen whereas Poeni Infantry are the only other Phalanx unit available for Carthage beside Sacred Band and they are easier to recruit when the right building is available than the latter so they can help fill out your armies to better support the more powerful but more expansive and longer to recruit Sacred Band.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed, a good assessment :)
" May Pharoh's thanks warm your soul"
"The magnificent Pharaoh smiles upon your proposal "
Sorry for my irrelevant comment, seeing those Pharaoh guards just remind me of trade deals respons with Egypt😂 always sent boats with diplomat as Julii to Egypt
Anyway other people alrdy voice my thoughs, wp poeni
:D Thanks for the comment.
that one poeni in the back needs to CALM DOWN and stop smacking the guards around
Indeed :D Thanks for the comment.
The old east mediterranean contest, an above average class canaanite infantryman against an elite guard of the god-king himself, let's see what god is best 🤣
Indeed :D Thanks for the comment.
Pharaoh’s Guards really need more armor to make up for the lack of a shield. They’re one of the worst high tier units imo.
Agreed on that :) Thanks for the comment.
0:32 to where is that poenii guy on the left going?
Tactical retreat, or advancing in the other direction.
A good question :) Thanks for the comment.
After considering about tier, poeny warrior do their historical obligation.
Indeed :) Thanks for the comment.
At this point i think pharoah guards will probably lose to +1/+1 hoplites smh
That would be plain embarrassing :) Thanks for the comment.
Cool battle... I did not expect the Poenii victory with +1 attack alone! Did we try Pharoh's Guards v Armoured Hoplites yet on this channel?
Thanks for the comment. Tested already - link below :)
ruclips.net/video/12r9NcjWmtc/видео.html
Morale and micro was key too? 🤔
Hmm morale might be but imo the micro was identical i.e. it was not done :) Thanks for the comment.
Pontus scythed chariots have hidden stat boosts making them better than seleucid scythed chariots. They wipe em out 1 to 1
Hmm. Sounds intriguing. I guess that has to be tested :) Thanks for the comment.
hastati plus one armor plus one weapons vs principes .... libyan spearman plus one weapons plus one armor vs triari/auxilia ..... light lancer plus one weapons plus one armor vs greek cavalry
Light lancers need no inprovement for kicking greek cavs' ass, that's a fact
Thanks for the comment. Sounds interesting. I will add those to To-Do list :)
@ Thanks for the comment. Actually, beating Light Lancers is pretty much the only thing Greek Cav is capable based on a recent light cav test :) Link below:
ruclips.net/video/2qnXebu6M7Y/видео.html
@@qualityoldgames7721 damn, I was convinced it had ended up with light lancers winning, that's a Mandela effect
Pharaohs tards are such a trash unit, literally the worst phalanx imo
Thanks for the comment. Agreed regarding their tier :)
@@qualityoldgames7721I never understood why the developers made them as a pike unit. And one of the worst of their type.
@@hernanreipp3321 They are not a Pike Phalanx unit, they are a Spear Phalanx unit. Macedon, Seleucids, Pontus, and Thrace are the only factions in Rome 1 to use proper Pikes.
@@rorschach1985ify Their weapons are too long to be considered a spear, whose full length is 240cm maximum.
A pike otherwise is above that from 300cm to 700cm.
But I don't even get why we try to find real accuracy on a type of soldier that no longer existed in that period and never fought in that manner anyway.
In fact they should be a pike unit at least (the In-game logic is: 4 meters long, spear; 6 meter long, pike)