.454 Casull vs. .480 Ruger Underwood Xtreme Penetrators in Rossi 92s

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  • @bustabass9025
    @bustabass9025 3 месяца назад +8

    Got 'em both, love 'em both. In revolvers, though. No bears where I am, but I walk the urban streets of the hood with a newfound confidence.

  • @darrellfilyaw7255
    @darrellfilyaw7255 3 месяца назад +6

    Have both in revolvers have a lever action 454 passed up a 480 Ruger Rossi years ago been chasing them have not seen one under $2000. Good video.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +1

      I know he paid more than that!

    • @biggunshandguns3687
      @biggunshandguns3687 2 месяца назад +2

      For that kind of money could you have one done in 480? I love the 480 and would love to have a lever gun in 480

  • @Iluvbisquits
    @Iluvbisquits Месяц назад +2

    Finally a P92 .480 Ruger video!!! I have a stainless with 16" barrel. The only ammo I've ever used is Hornady Critical defense, but it's worked flawlessly. I'm in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Western NC, but an Alaskan in a lever gun forum assured me that there isn't a creature walking the continent of North America that a .480 can't bring down...

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  Месяц назад +1

      That is correct, nothing I wouldn't take with that

  • @jb-tw6id
    @jb-tw6id 3 месяца назад +3

    Hi from Pennsylvania. Keep up the good work and gun research for us to watch. Thanks

  • @davidpalkovich7531
    @davidpalkovich7531 3 месяца назад +4

    I have the 92 in .480. One of only 100 made I believe. Great gun. The 320 grain Hornady loads are great. They also have a 400 grainer that seems a bit less accurate (although that is likely the shooter😬).

  • @desertriderukverun1002
    @desertriderukverun1002 3 месяца назад +2

    Great video, I always wondered what the 480 would do in a rifle.
    I’m not surprised at the 480’s performance. When the 480 was introduced my shooting buddy I got some of the first SRH’s in Alaska and proceeded to work up loads with a variety of cast bulles from 275 to 460gr. I had a custom 460 gr WFN mold and worked up a load that clocked 1100 fps from a 7 1/2” barrel. I sent some to friend in the lower 48 to test at the Linebaugh institute. This was 20 odd years ago but as I recall it was one of the best performances in penetration that summer. The wet newsprint test was 48”, the bone test was 2” of bone and 12” of newsprint. As I recall only a few loads out penetrated it, and only by a few inches. I’m still convinced for a powerful round that most people can handle the recoil the 480 is the best, it kicks like a big 44. The 454, 475 and 500 have much more severe recoil. I also think if 400 gr @1200 fps isn’t enough, it’s time for a big rifle, not more speed or bullet weight in a handgun.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +1

      @desertriderukverun1002 I couldn't agree more! Thanks for watching and the comment. Love to hear more about your experiences! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend!

    • @desertriderukverun1002
      @desertriderukverun1002 3 месяца назад +1

      @@AlaskanBallistics my load work is scattered across various shooting forums. The 460 gr was really too much of a good thing. The cherry was designed for the 475 Linebaugh just sunk deeper in the mold and the desired weight was 450 gr. The bullet was so long if you seated to the canslure it swelled the case so I had to seat it to crimp into the first lube groove. I also got slightly sticky extraction which I have no desire for in a gun that could be used for a close encounter with Yogi bears angry cousin. I settled on 400 gr over 21 gr H-110 and a CCI 350. Back when I was shooting every week from a rest my SRH would group that load into 1” at 50 yds. I tested every mold between 390-410 gr I could buy or borrow and they all grouped 1” at 50 yds and brass fell out of the cylinder. The only molds I kept were one of the LEE 400 gr prototypes and a custom Mountain Mold that has an extra long nose so you can load to the same COAL as a 475 Linebaugh. My shooting buddy easily achieved 1350 fps, but the increase in recoil from the 1200 fps load was substantial and beyond what I can accurately shoot.
      If you handload I’ll be glad to send you some 275 gr SWC’s (I scaled up Elmer Keith’s classic SWC) and some 400 gr’s. I have an MP hollow point mold ( I think around 350 gr) I haven’t had time to cast yet and plan to get a custom 440 gr long nose mold made. I never did penetration tests back in the day and plan to do some extensive testing in the future. Cook Inlet silt is an endless supply of testing medium 😎. I did test a 400 gr hollow point mold in the silt near Hope and as I recall penetration was nearly 2 feet. The nose blew off and I was left with a 300 gr wad cutter

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +1

      @desertriderukverun1002 I do handload, but I'm hundreds of projects behind right not

  • @russhayes4882
    @russhayes4882 3 месяца назад +3

    Great thanks a lot now I want a 480 ruger ! I already have the 454 casull in a Rossi . And .357 and 44 mag

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад

      You're quite welcome. How do the other ones shoot?

  • @curmudgeinnak
    @curmudgeinnak 3 месяца назад +6

    very nice. Did not know about these two rifles.

  • @jasonshults368
    @jasonshults368 3 месяца назад +4

    Those Rossi lever guns look to be perfect for bear defense, if you just lost your job, have a huge life insurance policy, and have a family for whom you are the bread winner. A niche rifle, but quite effective for the task.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад

      If they weren't so ammo picky...

    • @kansasscout4322
      @kansasscout4322 Месяц назад +2

      @@AlaskanBallistics My 357 Rossi does not have that issue but admittedly I have not shot all the brands and types. Wonderful rifle!

  • @mtower235
    @mtower235 3 месяца назад +4

    That’s interesting about the feeding issues

  • @YellowHammer26
    @YellowHammer26 3 месяца назад +2

    👍👍appreciate the video Chuck. I replied yesterday but it disappeared.

  • @Bearclaw700
    @Bearclaw700 3 месяца назад +3

    Nice video! The U tube algorithm won't let me post comments about it for some reason.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад

      Yeah it's getting weirder and weirder... sometimes I can't see the comments I just posted

  • @bobcatforever3485
    @bobcatforever3485 3 месяца назад +3

    AB. Good and interesting video. Thanks for your work and for sharing. Take care.

  • @PVW1960
    @PVW1960 3 месяца назад +1

    I think my 7.5" 480 Ruger SRH is always the winner in Alaska! Thanks for your videos!

  • @davidneal6920
    @davidneal6920 3 месяца назад +3

    Like them both Chuck! And very high quality ammo!! Good point about slower bigger calibres penetrate well. Found that with my 8x57 / 196grain. Great video thanks 🇺🇸 🇳🇿

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад

      Thank You!

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +1

      I've got to get down there and go hunting with you sometime

    • @davidneal6920
      @davidneal6920 3 месяца назад

      @@AlaskanBallistics that would be good

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +1

      @davidneal6920 what's the cheapest and or easiest thing to hunt?

    • @davidneal6920
      @davidneal6920 3 месяца назад +1

      @@AlaskanBallistics probably red deer. Need to get helicopter into the hills though

  • @michaelbrooks2432
    @michaelbrooks2432 3 месяца назад +2

    Love range day and thank you for the info 👍

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +1

      No problem brother. Thanks for watching and commenting

  • @danielhess39
    @danielhess39 3 месяца назад +1

    Great comparison!! Thank you

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад

      You're welcome, thank you for watching and the comment.

  • @davidscroggins5853
    @davidscroggins5853 Месяц назад +1

    I always wanted a 454 casull also thanks for all the information a great video

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  Месяц назад

      Thank You Kindly! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours!

  • @sonnygunz9207
    @sonnygunz9207 3 месяца назад +1

    Awesome test. Thanks Chuck.

  • @hillbillyscholar8126
    @hillbillyscholar8126 3 месяца назад +11

    The censorship on this type of content is outrageous since the “ear piercing”. Thanks for sharing though, this was interesting! 👍❤️

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +2

      Thank you watching. Get around the censorship by sharing this

  • @2006Mercury
    @2006Mercury Месяц назад +1

    Wow. Impressive lever actions

  • @jameshood9694
    @jameshood9694 3 месяца назад +1

    Both are a great choice for defense in the woods or hunting. I do not have either though. I have a 45 Long Colt and yes I do have Underwood Xtreme Penetrator ammo for it. Great stuff.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад

      Good choice! Lever gun?

    • @jameshood9694
      @jameshood9694 3 месяца назад +1

      @@AlaskanBallistics eventually I eill get a lever gun in 45LC. I have a EAA Bounty Hunter in 45 Long Colt. Walnut grips, stainless gun, 7.5 inch barrel.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад

      @jameshood9694 nice!

  • @golffoxtrotyankeehooligan222
    @golffoxtrotyankeehooligan222 2 месяца назад +2

    Yeah, I have to disagree with your assessment. The 454 Casull is 250 grain round with average over 2k fps average and the .480 is a 300 grain round and producing only 1600 fps average. The wound channel in the .454 Casull was more damage than the .480 even a blind person could see that. I’m not a fan of underwood ammo due to feed issues and you experience that and said it was a new pew problem but I have had several feed issues with underwood ammo and it’s wasn’t a new pew but it was a clean, semi clean and a well shot rifle. So with my assessment it’s the awkward tip of the underwood ammo but some people love the ammo.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  2 месяца назад

      It was the cartridge overall length of the ammo not the bullet tip that caused the feeding issues.

    • @xgford94
      @xgford94 3 дня назад

      300 gr @ 1600 is 24.9k ft.lb, 250gr @2000 is 22k ft.lb so that’s less …

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 дня назад

      Might want to check your math. 24,900 ft lbs is double 50 bmg

    • @xgford94
      @xgford94 3 дня назад +1

      @@AlaskanBallistics oops I did a NASA mixed metric and Imperial ..so (.480-1705ftlb)(.454-2220 ftlb) so I’m double wrong

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 дня назад +1

      @xgford94 at least it wasn't a probe trying to land on Mars...

  • @jmc041071
    @jmc041071 3 месяца назад +2

    If you handload, could you seat the bullet a little deeper to help with the feeding issue on that one?

  • @cw2a
    @cw2a 3 месяца назад +4

    Good Comparison Chuck!
    You need to work it with muscle. It will loosen up but if you work it "lazy" it does that.
    We have TWO of the 454 here. Both will do same. Mine is much better but I have 3/400 rounds where my buddy doesn't have 100.
    I made up dummies and sat and levered them thru over and over.
    I thought there was a issue, I feel its that slight longer case in the Cassull over std magnums and 45 Colt.
    Mine will feed operated slow if im deliberate.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +2

      Makes sense. Thanks. My buddy wants to load up 200gr hardcast from ckbcastbullets.com

    • @cw2a
      @cw2a 3 месяца назад

      @@AlaskanBallistics Did I send any 45 Cast?

    • @YellowHammer26
      @YellowHammer26 3 месяца назад +1

      👍👍Thanks Chuck

    • @jamespugh
      @jamespugh 3 месяца назад

      ​@@AlaskanBallistics agree 200gr cast will be hard to beat in it.

  • @williamgaines9784
    @williamgaines9784 2 месяца назад +1

    Gotta get a Xero! Setup is beyond easy. No screens, no worry about clouds, etc.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  2 месяца назад +1

      It is simply the best chronograph ever invented.

  • @twp616
    @twp616 3 месяца назад +3

    I would have expected better numbers from both guns. I shoot 300 grain XTPs in my 20" Marlin 1894 in 44 Magnum at 1780 fps and 2110 fpe. I shoot 240's at 1940 fps

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +2

      Interesting. Could be powder used is slightly faster in these factory loads

    • @twp616
      @twp616 2 месяца назад +1

      @@AlaskanBallistics H110 powder is all I ever use for 44 magnum.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  2 месяца назад +1

      @@twp616 I've got some to try four my 44

  • @ronaldpetersen255
    @ronaldpetersen255 26 дней назад

    Now we need an apples to apples penetration comparison using 300 gr (same grain) bullets for each caliber.
    The 250 grain in a 454 Casull is a very light for caliber bullet and penetration suffers greatly, fwiw!
    Both are fantastic cartridges btw!!

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  26 дней назад +1

      I can't find any ammo of the same bullet style.

    • @ronaldpetersen255
      @ronaldpetersen255 26 дней назад

      @@AlaskanBallistics Gotta love shopping for ammo in Alaska!!

  • @lucasschmitz4588
    @lucasschmitz4588 3 месяца назад +1

    Another great video keep it up

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад

      Thank you! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.

  • @andyherzfeld9492
    @andyherzfeld9492 3 месяца назад +1

    I've had trouble with the Leighi xtreme penetrators feeding in semi auto's and lever actions because of the shape it catches on the feed ramp. Great for revolvers though.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад

      Thanks. Good to know. I've had no issues in 10mm

  • @wadelucero6461
    @wadelucero6461 3 месяца назад +1

    What a great test I'm old school partial to 454 it's still very viable
    I recently saw a test lever action 454 vs 45-70 using same bullet same manufacturer Federal premium red box 300gr SJSP the 45-70 about 200+fps faster but the 454 penetrated much deeper in wood and water jugs test

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +1

      Slower bullet often penetrates deeper, especially with expanding ammo

    • @wadelucero6461
      @wadelucero6461 3 месяца назад +1

      @@AlaskanBallistics Chuck thanks for the response I really love your channel and value your opinion and experience
      I always have thoughts and questions on these topics. I will see you on the next live show I'm going to give you a heads up I'm going to ask you about the David Tubbs nose ring cutter if you have any free time check into it your can Google it and watch him explain on u tube videos until then stay blessed 🙌

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +1

      @wadelucero6461 thanks.

  • @Shane696
    @Shane696 2 месяца назад +1

    Would love to see a 460 S&W video.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  2 месяца назад

      Me too, I've got a few videos in a playlist with a borrowed 5" revolver, but with youtube restricting views and medical bills piling up, I'm not going to be able to afford the big horn Armory 460 lever gun anytime soon.

  • @harles255
    @harles255 Месяц назад +1

    The 480 is beautiful beast. I have thee revolvers chambered in it, and would love a liong gus chambered for it. Where did you find it?

  • @ShastaBean
    @ShastaBean 2 месяца назад +1

    With both of the pork-shoulders, you had the paper label facing towards you - so those small holes really should be the exit hole, like you 1st thought. So, the big gaping hole is the entry - which is interesting.
    Good test.
    And that was crazy how it pulled that water jug label that far back into the gel. wth

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  2 месяца назад

      That's what I was thinking! Thanks! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.

  • @616ist
    @616ist 2 месяца назад +1

    Nice I have both of them in revolvers.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  2 месяца назад +1

      Cool. Which revolvers?

    • @616ist
      @616ist 2 месяца назад +1

      454 Is in a Super Redhawk and The 480 in the Super Blackhawk Bisley. ​@AlaskanBallistics

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  2 месяца назад

      @616ist nice!

  • @alanniederlitz8630
    @alanniederlitz8630 3 месяца назад +2

    good stuff

  • @Iluvbisquits
    @Iluvbisquits Месяц назад +1

    Liked and subscribed!!!

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  Месяц назад +1

      Thank You Kindly! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.

  • @KevinHiggins-t8q
    @KevinHiggins-t8q День назад +1

    What size cast bullet do you use for reloading 480 ruger

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  День назад

      Well I haven't started reloading for it yet, do you have any suggestions?
      I get my cast bullets from Ken at CKBCASTBULLETS dot com

  • @jamespugh
    @jamespugh 3 месяца назад +1

    Both great looking rifles. I will take the 454 just bc i can load with 45colt +p loads. And have the 454 power when needed. I got few friends that had 480 ruger pistols and sold them off. One guy got one and send ammo hos hard to find here.

  • @aaronwilcox6417
    @aaronwilcox6417 3 месяца назад +1

    Either one is formidable at close distances. The real problem is the Rossi rifle quality, or should we say lack thereof. I enjoy leveractions but for the money id rather get an 450 Bushmaster upper and use same bullets as the 454. At least id have more confidence it would function more reliable.

  • @Cucurú-c9v
    @Cucurú-c9v 2 месяца назад +1

    Rossi's may not like that funny round. It's the all Winchester actions are. They're ammo snobs, only prefer to eat only certain types of ammo. My daughter just cracked the stock on her .454. not expensive to replace. She got one without the rubber pad.

  • @ag6907
    @ag6907 Месяц назад +1

    Man I wish your side camera would have worked. I own a 454 casull rossi.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  Месяц назад

      Yeah sorry about that. They didn't make too many .480 rugers. They're expensive when you find one.

  • @jasonreininger469
    @jasonreininger469 3 месяца назад +5

    Not today Chuke

  • @DouglasPrice-p9q
    @DouglasPrice-p9q 3 месяца назад +3

    … I sold off my Rossi 92s years ago … QC issues

    • @davidneal6920
      @davidneal6920 3 месяца назад +1

      I tried a friends one in 357. Seemed to go ok

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад

      @davidneal6920 Rossi/Taurus do seam to be hit or miss

  • @MojoMedicineMan
    @MojoMedicineMan 3 месяца назад +2

    Rossi has a 480 Ruger?
    Spendy?
    What else in pistol calibers?

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +2

      . 454 .480 .44 .357

    • @MojoMedicineMan
      @MojoMedicineMan 3 месяца назад +2

      @@AlaskanBallistics
      Thanks!

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  3 месяца назад +2

      @user-tb9rw7dh2t you're welcome. Henry makes a 41 magnum

    • @jamespugh
      @jamespugh 3 месяца назад +1

      Henry also offers the 327mag

    • @MojoMedicineMan
      @MojoMedicineMan 3 месяца назад +2

      @@jamespugh
      Yeah, the ballistics are great with the 327 Federal mag. A great revolver cartridge for men and women. Unfortunately, ammo has to be ordered for it.
      Funny story, I walked into a gun shop store and there were two young fellas in there trying to look cool. I asked to look at a 327 Magnum revolver and they started laughing at me. "No such thing!"
      I didn't take kindly to these two idiots behind the counter, so I promptly asked what was so funny, me or them?
      One kid shut up and googled his phone and couldn't believe his eyes. Yes, indeed the 327 mag does exist! No more be said and I left, because there sure wasn't going to be any ammo there.

  • @frenchroast1355
    @frenchroast1355 Месяц назад +1

    Rossi is still making the R92?

  • @T.A.B.Videos
    @T.A.B.Videos 3 месяца назад +1

    👍👍

  • @davidshaffer4664
    @davidshaffer4664 2 месяца назад +2

    The 480 is not a 454 have no plans to get a 480

  • @LGB-FJB
    @LGB-FJB 3 месяца назад +3

    Al gore rythm

  • @billbertagnoli4226
    @billbertagnoli4226 Месяц назад +1

    I just don't get it. If you are going to Carry a rifle why don't
    You just shoot a rifle cartridge.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  Месяц назад

      @billbertagnoli4226 For woods in here in alaska, I totally agree.
      But my cameraman bought the four fifty four, Because his wife could not handle the recoil of magnum forty five seventy loads, So he wanted something would be better Than a handgun

    • @billbertagnoli4226
      @billbertagnoli4226 Месяц назад +1

      @@AlaskanBallistics thanks. I get
      That the 45-70 would be a handful
      But what about all the new straight
      Walled offerings like 350 legend
      And such or even 30-30. ! I really
      Enjoy your channel and the topics you bring up. I live in Northern Michigan and we have a pretty
      Healthy bear population. I've
      Had one or more on and off
      My property all summer. I am
      Prepared to dispatch one if I
      Had to buy they are not aggressive.
      Sofar.

    • @AlaskanBallistics
      @AlaskanBallistics  Месяц назад

      @billbertagnoli4226 they make good sausage!
      So for 350 legend or 30-30... good hardcast or solid bullets don't exist in factory loaded ammunition. So yes more powerful, but what the bullet does when it gets there is more important than the power.