Ohlins Road & Track suspension IN THE REAL WORLD on the BMW M2 Competition
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Following on from the install of of Road & Track coil over suspension setup with Suspension Secrets in 2020, and having spent.a number of weeks getting to understand the changes in ride and handling - in this video we look into the effects on the M2 Competition in the real world.
Does the Öhlins Road & Track suspension provide "a true racing experience, with their own cars, without losing comfort whilst commuting to work" as promised on their website?
Complete with their Dual Flow Valve (DFV) technology you can adjust the stiffness of the shock absorber manually if desired.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts - the right set up for you or would you consider an alternative option?
With thanks again to Suspension Secrets for the installing continued support: suspensionsecrets.co.uk
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I've raced and set up BMW's for the past 20 years including 4 years in VLN at the Nurburgring and I just bought an M2 Comp manual. I'm not surprised your raving about the increased traction and grip as the 3200 rpm S55 wall of torque arrives. On the OEM set up (which is a fault line between BMW accountants and BMW engineers) the car's compromised set up is safe but made to feel frenetic. I call this "Stockbroker Suspension." This means you'll have a story to tell your mates down the pub and you'll survive 99% of situations provided you leave at least MDM on. The standard suspension is Sachs I believe re-badged as BMW and up to 7/10's it does an OK but compromised job against the likes of Ohlins. The BMW engineers have created a set up that I call "M2 Diff Party" and here is how it works and why traction is compromised: The rear standard springs are 500LB (Ohlins fitted in video are rear 950LB) progressive. When you accelerate hard they build up progressively (but quickly) to their 500lb max. The OEM dampers are not valved strongly enough to control the springs especially the speed of their rebound above 7/10's and the undulations of a British Road push the spring back up vertically as they reach max 500LB progression and max push back at the peak of an undulation. The speed sensors, G sensors and diff sensors monitor this happening and the first part of the car breaking traction is essentially down to vertical movement upwards and not enough power in the damping to control this (cheap dampers made to a price target). Now the BMW engineers and test drivers (most of whom are race drivers) know this and so they have programmed the diff and systems to interfere with this damper imperfection in such a way to stroke the drivers ego. So what happens is the speed sensors see the slip and momentary difference in opposing axle speed and send in the diff to sort it out like a teacher running to break up a school fight. This produces a fish tail (under acceleration) once or twice depending on the road surface and temperature of the tyres hence the name "M2 Diff Party." Add to this the system's moving the weight transfer around by cutting and opening the fuelling and you get this frenetic personality which is BMW's way of hiding the fact they put the cheapest suspension they could get away with on your M car. 97% of owners don't care and can't drive them to their real limit anyway, it's a bit like a BMW's version of the film "The Matrix" where you can have a blue pill or red pill and "Ignorance is Bliss." That is of course until you wake up! I have just ordered my Nitron R3 kit with bespoke spring rates from Matt of Suspension Secrets who fitted the kit in this video. Nothing against Ohlins as I have won races on Ohlins I just want more fine tuning of the high and low speed bump setting's and the rebound because according to my wife I am a pain in the arse, a perfectionist and a fussy git.
Hey chap
Firstly - wow! Fantastic to have an individual of your knowledge and experience commenting on this.
Feedback is really useful (I’ll be sure to reference this in the future if I get queries elsewhere... Please let us know how you get on with the Nitron kit - looks pretty special from what I’ve read.
Have a good one buddy ✊
@@CarMadDad You're welcome Dale. In my opinion and as you say in the video social media has a complete lack of "real" objective and data rich information on many aspects of the M2 especially the suspension. Feel free to reference it. I'm just narrating some factual sense into a part of the M2's personality that happens in a split second as any owner will know but is actually totally unnecessary and just engineered into the car. You are raving in the video because you have now engineered it out and are enjoying your new grown up and mature M2 Comp and what it can do with "real" suspension!!!!!!! LOL.
I love it all chap. Obviously extremely clued up and a great explanation with technical expertise has been a really interesting read.
Would love to hear how you get on with your set up once installed ☝️
Very interesting read! Explains so much about how the car handles. I’m no pro but didn’t like the stock suspension and have been very happy with the m performance / KW setup. Just wandered what your thoughts are on that. Guessing it satisfied the engineers over stock?!
@@CarMadDad I'll let you know what the Nitron R3's are like for sure. I've hired Blyton Park on the 30th January from Ginetta for a race car test so if they are done by then you should pop up and we could compare the kits and make a video of them on road and track and take some lap times.
Just bought my very own M2C and this video has certainly helped me for future mods regarding the suspension setup. I’ve been thinking about using Ohlins before. This has confirmed my idea. Thanks 👌
Oh that’s awesome Jason - cheers 👋
Another great vid Dale! Great feedback! Be good to see another one once you’ve had a chance to really test it hard during dry warmer weather 👌🏼👍🏼
Will do Keith
Cheers for tuning in dude 💪
thank you so much did the video. I have a f30 DFV on my f20 140i. Your review was spot on.
Thank you very much dude
Really kind of you and amazing you to read that you agreed with my thoughts.
Appreciated 😎
This is a helpful video for M2 owners. I appreciate your videos ☺️
Thank you chap - nice to hear 👂 😌
Sounds like you’ve definitely made the right move mate! The stance looks on point too, thought it looked epic on the Eibach set up, but it’s even better now.
Seems like a winner so far chap
Big change from “the norm” and can’t wait to unleash her on track 🚙 💨
Hi, great camera work! I might have overheard this piece of information in the vid: what settings are you running/tried from full stiff (clicks)? How does the DFV technology perform over square edged hits? + As traction is alignment dependent as well (rear camber especially), how much did you decide to change your rear alignment after the install? Thanks.
Not sure about the great camera work chappy but thank you 👍.
I leave the setting and camber etc with Matt chap…
If you check out the camber plates video I did more recently we adjusted the Ohlins there and I think he confirms what settings we are now running.
Hope that helps
Great Video. I have an F80 M3 Comp and had AC Schnitzer RS Coilovers (similar to KW V3) installed and set up at Suspension Secrets. Like yourself was totally and utterly blown away with the poise and composure of the car especially at speed. It did take me a while of fettering around with the settings in order to have a comfortable compromise as I found them too stiff at lower speeds.
I am now running the recommended setting set by ACS and the compliancy at low speed is probably similar to sport mode in EDC so absolutely acceptable. I did consider the Ohlins but had read too many reports of the rear springs being far too stiff and quite frankly I was too lazy to be bothered to research into different spring rates to get a more suitable spring replacement. If I decide to change my coilovers again I think I will try the Ohlins however after watching your review!
Oh dude thank you for taking the time to view and comment - heard great things about the AC SHNITZER RS Coilovers - great to hear they are running sweet for you.
Keep us posted on progress and thoughts
Thanks again
CMD X
Really informative and honest review. Disappointed that the ohlins doesn’t give a more plush ride over stock however I now know which way to go and have saved a couple of grand in the process. Thanks Dale.
Cheers for the comment chap.
Please be aware that you can soften them beyond how I’m currently running the set up - based on all the feedback it might be worth doing so to see how it rides...
Appreciated as always 🙋🏻♂️👍
@@CarMadDad Hey Matt, was the road kit with the 160NM or trackday kit with 190NM rear spring?
Hi, Very good review. Did you keep the spacers when installing the ohlins?
Hey there - thank you for the positive comment. Yes - spacers stayed on 👌👍
Great video! I currently have the eibach euro spec springs and it rides great for street use. I was looking into the Ohlins but the majority of my driving is street use so this helps me a lot to stay with the eibachs
Thank you Jamie x
Nicely made video BTW!
That’s very kind of you chap
I ordered my set already ! Can’t wait 😛. Iv heard in the softest setting it’s no worse than standard. I’ll start off with mine in the middle see how we go !! Keep it up love watching your videos
Cheers for the comment chappy - be sure to let us have feedback when the time is right.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
What spring rate did you choose?
I’m on recommended settings from Ohlins atm chap with winter tyres
Short of a test drive on the Ohlins I really could not have asked for more as a potential buyer. Thanks!
Your welcome 🤗
Cheeky subscribe as you asked so kindly on Instagram! Sure it won’t be long before it’s more!! Keep up the stellar vids 🙌🏼🤛🏼
Your a gent and a scholar good sir 😌 😂
Just bought a set of these today…. Can’t wait to get them on the M2C
Awesome dude - keep me posted!!!
Great video
Cheers lads ☝️
Hello, did you install now summer tyres ? Is the ride firmer ?
Hey there. Just installed PS4S's and the ride is improved quite dramatically. The winters have extremely harsh tyre walls!
Tremendous. Best M2C content out there, and the fact you put your profits into charity is the icing. May I ask what spec you got for your Alpin tyres? I need to get mine fitted ASAP so I don't slide off a cliff!
Amazing comment chap - cheers for the thoughts. I run Michelin Pilot Alpin in the wk yet months - they are awesome on snow and cold winter roads.
Track Days - Michelin PSS (what the car came on)
Spring / Autumn / Summer - Michelin PS4S’s
(Slight rubber fetish)
If you after an “all year tyre” the PS4S’s are the closest I’ve come so far
@@CarMadDad Nice one fella, and did you just match the OEM TYRE size for the Pilot Alpins? (Can’t seem to see them anywhere online... must be the tyre shortage...)
Matched them as per the stock chap
I think there is a shortage atm as I can’t find any either
Same feedback as the Subaru owner. My Rx-7 is firmer but gives a better ride in bumps even in low speeds compared to stock when adjusted to softer settings so I would recommend using softer for the road and harsher for the track and you truly get the road and track part of the name when used like that.
Cheers Robert
May have to give this a go over the weekend and see what the “full soft” is all about!!!
Great Video!! I myself are considering getting this mod too, so if we give a score to the stock suspension a 5/10 bad road comfort, and 5/10 track performance. How do you rate the Ohlins R&T?
Hi Karl
Great to hear and thank you.
Obviously it depends where you set the Ohlins… however for the “fast road” set up I’d say these are an 8 out of 10 - still a stiff ride but soo much more traction and feel in steering.
On track - will “track” set up it’s a solid 10 out of 10 from me!!!
@@CarMadDad wow, that sounds like a huge improvement on both side. I am running 3 sets of wheels, ps4s on advan gt for daily, re71 on stock for track, and pa4 on a replica for winter. So I will have to change wheel before I go to and back from the track. So the fact that I will have to go under the car to change the setup isn’t really a downside for me. I am pretty sure any cool over will be a + for track use, so if you say it a 8/10 against 5/10 stock, I will definitely get the Ohline. Thanks so much for your info. Cheers!
No trouble dude
Just make sure you are softening them off on the road 👍
Keep us posted
So you are ok with the exterior lower adjusters and the lack of in car adjustment choice?
I am indeed
@@CarMadDad Good, bold statement but I would expect that from Ohlins.
Great video but a contrast that may help some. I have a USDM 2019 Subaru STI Limitted that came stock with stiff shocks by KYB. Coilover selections is enormous....had a chance to get the Ohlins road and tracks. They are actually a lot smoother and calmer at 12 (toward soft). And all of your positives.... I did all of the needed adjustable at top tier level (LCA in the rear, links, toe arms, etc.) and had a top tier alignment. It is way better and I have no negatives.
On top of that, the quality of the units is staggeringly high.
Just FYI.....no downsides ....
I think suspension is more important than power.... then brakes.
And, weight went down too...a plus.
Stay well. Avoid the Botox lines though.
Cheers for your thoughts and comments - feedback noted.
Seems like in terms of daily comfort M2cs($95K)>M2C($60K)>M2C Ohlins($64K); M2CS should be a bit faster than M2C at any given track in stock form too. The dilemma I face is whether I should opt for the M2C + Ohlins with a firmer ride and save money for a daily SUV, or if I should spend an extra 30% on the M2CS.
I was BLOWN away by the CS - great all rounder
That would get my vote
With the ohlins r&t setting on youre somewhere around 2.0hz of suspension natural frequence,hence you've got a harsh ride below 40mph and a more firm,confidence ride above 40mph. ohlins dampers are much strong than the driver needs,try to play around load transefer,or even optimal brake performance though the dampers.Talking about the ride quality,bigger rims provide down side since there were less tire wall to absorb the bumps.Meanwhile,smaller rims are offen lighter and could provide much more response,while its transfer more bump force to the cabin through the chassis.One more thing is that you might want slightly bigger arb to control body roll,not to only rely on dampers.Anyway, just like you've mentioned in the video,its a personal choice.Nice video!
Cheers for the input chap - massively appreciated 👀✊
Just bought used M2C and came with the ohlins already installed so can’t compare to stock but very impressed with their performance. Just need to find my way around them…..Having come from CLA45 AMG (FL) on stage 2, the M2C is much more engaging car and bucket of fun. BM3 on the way for stage 1 and looking forwards to that.
Cheers for the view and thoughts GM.
Great to hear you are enjoying the car over a Merc! Though can’t say I’m surprised 😂
How about nvh? Any unpleasant sounds from the front dampers?
Nothing chap
They’ve been solid so far 🤞
Driving the M2c in snow/sleet, brave mate!
A good mod mate, no real downfalls and like you said, you didnt buy an M car for comfort
Michelin Alpin winter tyres make driving in those conditions a breeze chappy
Cheers for the view and comments 👍👍👍
This video stopped me making a huge mistake. I was thinking of getting Ohlins for my FL5 Type R but with the objective to soften the slow speed ride. Sound like these would only make it stiffer/worse. Thanks so much.
Glad I could help!
Appreciate it. Now to go on the hunt for something else. The FL5 ride is totally fine in comfort for most roads but the roads here is Aus are getting worse and the low speed ride is super unsettled. It’s making my kids sick 😷.
Have you looked at Nitron. Or maybe MSS would be a “best of both”???
@@CarMadDad thanks. I’ll look at them now. 👍
Nitron, Öhlins, JRZ, Bilstein, KW... any thoughts?
A tough question to say the least chap and one I considered for some time...
after doing my research it was between Nitron or the Ohlins.
IMO those were the best products for me.
I stumped for the Ohlins based on the pedigree hoping for the best possible product.
I also hear and read very good things on all the above products though - so I think it’s about understanding the different attributes and going for what sounds best FOR YOU 👍
What setting are you running the shocks at…
Sorry chap
This was some time ago…
Think for daily use is was mid range - never went close to “full soft”
Dialled up for track to 3 front and 5 rear (clicks from solid)
Hope that helps
What spacers are you running?
The ones I had from Motech Performance chap - video in the M2 playlist when I had the Remus and Eibach installed 👍
On the Ohlins website they said on road mode they are more shock absorbent than stock 🤔
Agree with that - think the stock set up is shocking (literally) 😆
Update! My Nitron 3 ways are now fitted and the car is 100% transformed. This is the M2 Comp BMW wish they had made! Ride 100% better, grip up 35%, traction up 50% Night and day and shows just how bad the standard dampers are.
Awesome to hear chappy 😃
Would love to compare them when we are allowed too.
Fingers crossed ay 🤞
If you don’t mind, how much did that set up cost you
@@josephferdaws2590 Not at all chap. I purchased the Ohlins 2nd hand - so they retail at approx £2,700 i believe - plus fitting and full geometry set up which cost the labour and expertise of Suspension Secrets. I would contact them direct for a quote as they are very helpful and I wouldn't want to quote on their behalf.
@@josephferdaws2590 Suspension was £4500 including VAT and set up and fitting was £400 plus i bought different drop links, rear and rear arms.
This was the standard ohlin dfv and not the one with uprated track springs? I'm looking at these for my evo 6 but I only drive on the road and don't want it too hard we have disgusting potholes.
Hey chap
Yes - standard springs
I have also noticed that softer settings and good tyres (PS4Ss) make a good difference
They are a cracking bit of kit chap 👍
@@CarMadDad thanks! I was trying to watch videos to learn if they are worth the costs... I was looking at eibach springs with bilstein dampers but my garage recommended the ohlins dfv, think I'll get them :) thx
Big leap in improvements between Ohlins and the equipment mentioned their chap ☝️
I would say they warrant the costs Personally (each to their own though)
@@CarMadDad thanks for the feedback, i'm gonna get them and should be a world of difference from now, the cars still got the original shocks from 1999 lol
Yeah might make a change dude 😂
I think this suspension with softer tires and more sidewall is what I’ve been looking for (as a change from my extremely stiff ast 5300 that the car came w with when I bought it even on the lowest setting). I drive in Los Angeles and the roads here suck and I’m mostly a daily driver with my m2. The thing is I don’t want to give that stiffer feeling when on better roads or canyon. The eibach setup is technically better for me but eh I dno
Sounds like your on to a winner chappy 👌
Wouldn’t suggest softer tyres, the m2 really needs a tyre with a strong side wall, the car becomes vague and less confidence inspiring with a softer tyre.
Best bet is setting the coilovers up with more ride height than usual and use coilover with a good quality damper for British roads.
What lovely exhaust system do you run ?!
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Remus Axleback race as installed at Motech Performance chap - video on my channel somewhere... check out the M2 Comp playlist 😬
@@CarMadDad ok the Race Version, so most likely not legal in EU market
I’m not sure chap. Might have to look into that one... Thinking about it though it only replace the back box (the ugly cow udder) and leaves all the other filters in place so I’m not sure. In the video we show you under the car too so maybe worth a look!
How does the damping feel when riding undulations and bumps when pressing on? That’s probably where Ohlins excel.
Litchfield have the Bilstein & Nitron setup on their website now. Possibly more compliant than the Ohlins.
They ride extremely well at pace Adam.
The system appears to make all surfaces feel less invasive in the car and it’s performance.
When pressing on they are simply in their element
Is the handling more like an OG M2 now then?
No chap
Very different both slow and fast
When pressing on it is night and day
Slow speeds it is very different due to very fast spring rate and dual flow
This has got me worried now. I have a set of r & t on order for my m2c to try and improve the ride quality. Doesn't sound like I've chosen the right brand.......
If you are after the best road ride for a daily chap and are looking for comfort they aren’t uncomfortable - far from it but there are defo more supple setups available... when you push on though you’ll be faster on the Ohlins compared to stock by a considerable margin - see pinned comments for info.
Are you just after comfort?
@@CarMadDad I'm not going to track the car for the forseeable future so am after the best road handling set up without the car knocking my teeth out over every sunken manhole cover. I wonder how much difference it would make to yours with the adjustment set toward the softer end of the scale?
Forgot to ask did you opt for the softer or harder springs? Obviously I selected the softer option when ordering mine
It won’t knock your teeth out chap - and don’t forget I’m sat in the middle of the set up so could defo go softer if I needed to.
Are you running stock at present?
@@CarMadDad mss springs with stock dampers. Does your kit have the soft or harder springs?
M performance ftw!
Bit harsh for my liking chap - but understand they do a very good job 👍
@@CarMadDad what about the new bilstein / nitron litchfield are offering ..?
That looks very trick from what I’ve seen and would be well worth a look. Those boys don’t mess about!
Everyone seems to have a different opinion on suspension it’s very subjective. But I wouldn’t describe the M Performance setup as any firmer than stock and def not harsh or crashy. On recommended road settings. Just my opinion if it’s helpful for someone.
Well done Dale! Nailed it...this car is massively more fun with the ohlins as the slippy stock rear end wears off pretty quickly..it’s really for serious drivers who into driving. Simple as that
And by the way just applied a set of Cup 2s...the stiffer side walls and sticky rubber up the feedback again.
Christian - couldn’t have done it without you (did you spot the mention)
Thank you for taking the time to provide your feedback - appreciated as always 👏🏼💪👍
@@CarMadDad I did mate thank you so much..it’s was huge 🤜😉 if only I heard that more often 🤣
Good video. Only feedback is the editing or dialogue in places is so jumpy that it makes it hard to watch at times
Hi Chris
Yes understood A that’s work in progress and finding my feet there. I’m keen to avoid long dialogue to avoid ppl loosing interest but agree with that so will give it some thought A thank you for the input - very much appreciated
@@CarMadDad not a problem, thanks for the continued good content, I’ve no doubt this channel will really start to take off this year 👍🏻
Fingers crossed your right dude - appreciated 😍
hi nice videos. i think removing the stock for that was a mad move and here ia why . your tyres are going to be worn out way quicker . your calipers are going to stick and your notice a wobble at real speed . yes they have there benifits and iv tried both but overal i5s not worth it . they dip and spring up at a dangerouse rate and your see . your counter acting it with great tyres . wait till you put summers back on and i know your going to go mental . but hay each to there own . it's all choices .peace
also ve carefull it will rip your stering rack off . iv seen cracked screens. loose fittings. alloy damage . ect ect ect and will eat your ball joints ect . im a engineer and i know my stuff. very intested to see what you think when you change tyres. firm is a very very under exaggeration be fair . it will.perform better but when it goes it wont be easy to come back . its putting nore rubber on the floor is all . its a very very expensive upgrade in repair costs . also im.guessing your losing 5 mpg a gallon. its not all about money but it's worth noting for general people non track. yoir always honest i apprediate that. also if your going track pls messge me i can do some bits for free for you that will blow others minds . your charity contributions are admirable thank you for that . mods i concentrate mainly on weight reduction and loght replacement. easy fittings rounded and can get 300kg off it no problem. thanks
Hey there - thank you for the thoughts and comments. Very interesting insight.
I understand your points and thank you for them - as you rightly state its good to highlight.
For me personally - i'm not too worried about extra tyre wear (and have ball joints on order as i'm aware the BMW stock aren't great to say the least).
Really appreciate the thoughts and way you have put them across.
@@CarMadDad Hi thank you for that . i completely see your point of view also and appreciate ypu making these videos . in fairness you do make very valid and interesting comments on the pros and cons. plus you make the vids very entertaining . i could go on for hours but im.sure your busy enough. i drop a emai if thats ok .l id really like to anonymously participate as in spec upoptions or car loan you something for the tracks . access to some courses. perhaps somewear exclusive . have a few options . oh and a mk2 70 plate escort that needs attention . we have just managed to get it upto ridiculous power . although handlingis ok it wouldnt make corners lile yours but it will turn heads bring views and prob be fun . thanks. i would so like to see you do a tv deal of some sort . everyone i have shown your video's to have been taken back by your talent. people skills and camera work . thanks have a great day
@@elizabethdorchester5307 Thank you for your extremely kind comments. They really have taken me by surprise!
I'm not sure I would go that far but I appreciate positive feedback nonetheless x
I would, of course absolutely love to take you up on / discuss some of the above as, when and if convenient to you in the future.
You can contact me by emailing if suitable - (hello@carmaddad.com) or via Facebook and instagram if easier...
Thank you for the views, comments and support - much appreciated as always.
Take Care
CMD
@@CarMadDad Thank you will do have a great day
What's the fake world?
On a road
I hope I don't come across like a giant prick from the wrong side of the pond. But I watched both of these related videos.
Honestly I can't say I know anything about your setup. Other then you installed Ohlins.
No clue what kit you have. No clue what spring rates you have f and r. No clue what settings you have the dampers adjusted to, or even what your tire pressure is.
The only thing I came away with is the ride is firmer and you installed Ohlins and you love your car.
Do you omit all this information by design?
Michael - thank you for your views and comments. You are correct to an extent - The information is not detailed in the video - as I myself am not technically / mechanically minded to the extent that I have looked into the attributions of different spring rates AT THIS STAGE...
However, this is to follow in the coming months as I learn more about the set up and characteristics of the Ohlins.
However, in the meantime, I have taken all of 30 seconds out of my day to visit the extremely efficient ohlins website which provides full information on product, installation and setup like most mechanically minded people might in order to research such things.
I hope I don't come across rude (perish the thought) and so have included a link for you to follow...
www.ohlins.com/product/road-track/bmw-m2-2016-2017-f87/
Im available if you would like to me look into this matter for you further at any time.
@@CarMadDad
Thanks for the video. I think the point about specs on the Ohlins RT is that for the M2 they come in two different configurations from Ohlins, one with 90/190 and one with 90/160 and also many people opt for swift springs with even more variations in spring rates. The differences could be quite striking but I don't have personal knowledge with my M2 Comp. The settings on the dampers can of course make a huge difference in ride characteristics.
Again thanks for the video and perhaps more specs could be added to aid us in selecting the combination of attributes that suites our driving style.