SNS 299: Shaper Lifting, Steady rest Mount, New Electric Circuits

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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
  • This week I have quite a mix-up of different projects I've been working on in the shop. From repositioning how the G&E shaper is setting on the floor, to machining a steady rest mounting plate. I also have an update on my recent electrical install, running new dedicated circuit for the Flexam machine, and another 3 phase circuit to the machines on the shop addition side. We'll continue on the final machining of the new steady rest mount in another video.
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  • @BruceBoschek
    @BruceBoschek 4 года назад +20

    I have never felt I could criticize anything you have ever done, but I feel obliged to note that supporting the shaper on the front and back is likely to result in serious damage to the machine. It needs to be supported throughout the whole length and width of the base and it needs to be bolted to the floor. Our shapers were always mounted on cement foundations, about 20 cm high and bolted at all four corners. I am certain you will be heartbroken if you cause damage to that beautiful machine. Just supporting it that way even without running it can cause permanent warping of the base plate.

    • @MrRaincoast
      @MrRaincoast 4 года назад

      That's a very interesting point you make. I never considered the elasticity of the casting itself might result in sag, but now that you mention it that makes perfect sense due to the tight tolerance of the ways. Even a sag of a few thou would be enough to affect the overall accuracy, especially over time.
      Also wood is pretty spongy overall as far as material goes. I think as the ram moves back and forth that few thou of movement is probably just the wood compressing.

  • @Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes
    @Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes 4 года назад +8

    Back in the early 90's I worked as a Millwright setting up equipment in a local Incinerator - I used to align couplings between BIG motors and large fans, pumps, lube-oil skids, etc - and eventually do all the pre-service to the Steam Turbine and Generator that weighed many Hundreds of Tons-
    Typically big equipment like that we would have had big bolts ("L" Shaped) cast into the concrete, with nuts and big flat washers on them, lowered the equipment down onto the studs embedded into the concrete, down onto those 6 mounting holes, used the nuts and washers to lift the machine and level it, usually leaving at least a 1 to 2 inch gap underneath. installing nuts and flat washers on the top side (of your 6 holes) and then a form would be made around it and they would pump high tensile strength, fibre reinforced grout under the entire machine.
    Before the grout was fully cured the forms would be removed and the concrete finishing crew would come and carve it when it was like clay consistency and it would be trimmed and contoured to the base of the machine, wiped down with wet sponges and covered in strips of wet burlap to keep it from drying too quick and cracking- Your machine would NOT move then- LOL

    • @MrRaincoast
      @MrRaincoast 4 года назад +1

      That sounds like the gold standard for mounting a machine. I'm guessing Adam is thinking that he might end up moving the shaper at some point in the future, hence the wood blocks to mount it.

  • @dennisrisk6063
    @dennisrisk6063 4 года назад +10

    I leveled all the new and old machine tools at Caterpillar between 1973 and 2000 when I retired. Bldg B Drive train Division. Get rid of the wood... They need to be lagged to the concrete with metal shims or blocks used to level the machine. The large machines had machine jacks that adjusted for elevation like an adjustable parallel.

  • @SteveSummers
    @SteveSummers 4 года назад +3

    Mine rocks slightly as well. I have shims under it at the moment. Thanks for sharing Adam.

  • @frfrpr
    @frfrpr 4 года назад +3

    Good to see Adam smile. Just watched his first video. Then and now Best Machining Show on RUclips.

  • @theokruger3558
    @theokruger3558 4 года назад +5

    Hi Adam, I thought I'd just mention that since my last comment on SNS 298, I have now watched a 100 SNS's (from 200 to 299) over the last couple of weeks. Lock-down in South Africa really sucks but over this boring period, you have really kept me entertained all the way. Our lock-down has been extended by another two weeks (still three weeks to go) and I'm sure there are still much video content to keep me busy and entertained.
    You have come a long way and no matter all the critique you get from some viewers, you definitely know what you're doing, know exactly where you're going and just keep it up and do what you do best. As commented before, I just love the "Old School" type tools and machining and enjoy watching you use and perform it so effectively. Keep up the good work buddy and please ensure you work safe at all times !!

  • @FabFunty
    @FabFunty 4 года назад +4

    The first time I saw the G&E shaper I knew this machine rocks 🤘🏼 😀

  • @phil4203
    @phil4203 4 года назад +2

    I enjoy watching your channel. I used to setup injection moulding machines, and I used anti vibration pads that are adjustable for machine levelling. They do not require bolting to floor. They through bolt in the holes in the base.

  • @laser-on-off
    @laser-on-off 4 года назад +3

    Thanks for the videos. I never worked on metal, but I enjoy watching your work, and learning.

  • @mikemoore9757
    @mikemoore9757 4 года назад +4

    Adam, I had a 10 ft. Hydro Shear that was installed on a slightly uneven concrete floor. An old timer friend of mine told me to set it on one or two pieces of sheet lead (if you can find some). We did and it nested itself right in. I realize that the forces on your machine are horizontal where mine were vertical, but with a shear the blade the adjustments were very critical. Good luck buddy, and take care!

  • @stevedoran3631
    @stevedoran3631 4 года назад +4

    Hey Adam, I love the content of your videos, it's great to see an engineer that does it right...… that said, I would be concerned setting the shaper on just 3 points, she's a heavy old girl and needs plenty of support and a more solid footing would be better.
    You could try setting her down on six points on adjustable feet, there are many different ways to do this but to suit your needs (as in perhaps needing to move her around, you could use the 2 part tapered type with metal blocks underneath and rubber pads to stop any slipping, that way you could have her set on six points and still be able to move her if required.....
    Great layout in your workshop.... looking forward to more videos!....

  • @theflyingfool
    @theflyingfool 4 года назад +8

    I'd completely avoid travelling and meeting other people at the moment Adam. Social distancing isn't enough, especially in confined spaces where aerosols can linger. We are experiencing hearbreak here in the UK with lots of young fit people dying from the disease. Nobody is immune and it's very easy to catch. Please make sure you're taking precautions. I'd hate to see the ABOM brand go under... good luck over the next 4-5 months!

  • @Proverbhouse
    @Proverbhouse 4 года назад +2

    I am so pleased that you continue to honor your father and grandfather with the closing picture. We are a product of our raising, our values come for the most part from what we learned as a child. God's Blessing to you.

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 4 года назад +3

    Machine 6”. Diameter disks and drill and tap for studs. Epoxy disks to foot and bolt machine in place. If you need to move it after you can heat the disks and break the epoxy bond and move it. No holes in concrete required.

  • @rolliekelly6783
    @rolliekelly6783 4 года назад +4

    One other thing to worry about, as if you don't have enough. Should you decide to convert more machines to 480vac and find yourself turning the x-former breaker on and off more often, make sure the breaker is switch rated. If it isn't put a disconnect switch or contactor on the line side of the x-former.

  • @your_utube
    @your_utube 4 года назад +2

    Thanks for the update. Beats the boredom of the 21 day lockdown down here in South Africa.

  • @phillipperry7927
    @phillipperry7927 4 года назад +4

    Many times I have drilled and sunk anchor bolts in my concrete garage floor in order to anchor and level heavy machines. When I wanted them in another place I simply use an angle grinder to take the unwanted bolts down to floor level. You can patch the concrete if the aesthetics bother you. Much better than "living with" a 2-3 thousandths rocking motion. If your're going to do it...do it right!!

  • @paulhunt598
    @paulhunt598 4 года назад +2

    Adam,
    I spent a career maintaining and rigging Machine tools. I do not recommend using wood. We routinely used steel shim stock. Rarely did we ever anchor a machine with this weight. It is not terribly difficult to level a machine of this size with shim stock to within .0005"/foot. Level isn't necessary on your machine, but being level could enhance machining set up. I trusted shim stock leveling for years of high production use.
    If you want to get really fancy, consider making leveling jack screws and pads with a detent or counterbore to keep the pads in place under the screw.
    Grouting is a superior method once leveling is complete, but repositioning the machine then becomes problematic.
    I really like using the mill for outboard lathe stick out support.

  • @toddarcher9338
    @toddarcher9338 4 года назад +3

    I believe you might want to support each corner separately,then measure for blocks in the middle. I would be afraid of putting undo stress on the middle without support there. Better save than sorry!

  • @georgebell7103
    @georgebell7103 4 года назад +3

    Thanks for another great video. I am not clear why you don’t level the shaper with 6 leveling feet. I kind of think some of the movement on the indicator is still the base flexing in the middle, now rather than rocking.

  • @greengohm
    @greengohm 4 года назад

    I really love when Adam is taking his time to do something properly and accurately - no matter if it's machining job or just aligning piece of wood under the shaper. This really has to be a sign of exquisite work ethic.

  • @bvbob916
    @bvbob916 4 года назад +3

    Just something to think about. You might consider creating something to keep your toes from going under the shaper. It stands a good chance of slipping off of the wooden spacers. Maybe some adjustable levelers that would use the existing mounting holes. Thanks for everything. I really enjoy your channel.

  • @julianthornton9076
    @julianthornton9076 4 года назад +3

    Adam I think a lot of people on here don't get you, I am in the uk & we had a guy called Fred Dibnah, he loved the old Victorian machinery & steam engines, he was responsible for the salvation of a lot of "worthless junk" its part of our heritage & just because it seems slower or clumsy to others, you can see history & a real attachment to obtaining perfect results when you did not have to just press the button on a cnc. I applaud you Abom!

  • @stevenmayhew3944
    @stevenmayhew3944 4 года назад +6

    Single-phase motors have a secondary phase coil which usually uses a motor starting capacitor to get it spinning, and that Davis cutter's motor may have a blown capacitor which may be why it is just sitting there humming rather than spinning. Check the capacitor and replace if that is the case.

    • @abpsd73
      @abpsd73 4 года назад

      Blown or disconnected cap, or bad centrifugal switch if it is a single phase motor.

  • @AndySomogyi
    @AndySomogyi 4 года назад +4

    Do you worry about the shaper sagging in the middle without any support there?
    I’d think about making some center timbers, and fitting them exactly to the height of the middle and wedging them in there. That way, they would give another point of contact with the floor, and prevent sag in the middle.

  • @ronniepirtlejr2606
    @ronniepirtlejr2606 4 года назад +1

    I enjoy watching you work with your machines. I miss working in the shop, it shut down years ago around 2001. I was a machine operator/ apprentice machinist. I would either machine the parts I needed or tell them what I needed, if it was to complicated or required too much time. This Brings back some good memories! :-)

  • @marksnyder2232
    @marksnyder2232 4 года назад +4

    I'll admit I was curious if you were getting any significant deflection at the mid mounting points on the shaper, with the 3-point base support? Since it was designed for 6-point securement, and since it's a long, heavy machine, I'd double-check what the unsuppored middle is doing. It might be interesting to put 3 indicators on the base simultaneously, one each front, middle, and rear, and watch the pattern of motion between the indicators.

  • @TheBigdutchster
    @TheBigdutchster 4 года назад +2

    Always a pleasure to spend some virtual time with you.

  • @rayman954
    @rayman954 4 года назад +3

    Hi Adam, When I was installing printing presses my level was accurate to 0.02mm in one meter and machine had no tolerance to be out of level. What I will recommend you do is use the timbers at each end (possibly go to hardwood) and place a shim plate of approx., 6"x8"at each corner of maybe .050" thick between timber and machine, you only want machine to rest on corners, not in middle of timber, then take reading with indicator while machine is running. You will likely still have some movement, now what you will do is try to determine what corner is loose by tapping timber with a hammer and shim loose corner accordingly (this may only be a few thousandths depending on how loose) until you have all corners tight and no more movement on indicator.
    I hope this helps Adam and thanks for all your videos. Ray

    • @rayman954
      @rayman954 4 года назад

      @@David-lb4te and what is your expert field,,, I have over 30+ years repairing, assembling and installing machines with many valued over 3 million dollars. I did suggest going to hardwood for a reason and the machine should possibly be locked in place to prevent movement.
      Ideally the machine would not be on the timbers but only on the steel shims and blocked in place to prevent movement. Also it does Not require to be supported in the center, these machines are designed to be leveled at corners, this is how its done,, properly. I would not say YOUR information is the worst advice I've read,,, but only someone that does not know any better.

  • @shockwavecity
    @shockwavecity 4 года назад +7

    So, if it's heavy through the middle, wouldn't bracing the ends only eventually cause the center to sag a bit and cause wear on the front and back of the ram ways?

  • @AffordBindEquipment
    @AffordBindEquipment 4 года назад +2

    I ran a plywood hotmelt edge bander that had a cutoff wheel that moved front to back following the piece moving through to cut off the applied edging. it was on a pneumatic ram and wasn't that big. But over time, after running for days and weeks and months, it moved that huge 12' long cast iron machine to the point it almost broke the air line coming from the floor. If it even moved a .00001 every time it cycled, add all that up over time and it moved inches. So if it's not bolted down, it will walk around the shop.

  • @nashguy207
    @nashguy207 4 года назад +2

    Awesome updates Adam. You are really get setup to go to town on some machining can't wait to see all the machines in action. Wish i lived down there i would go out and find you enough work to keep you covered up and in the shop all day every day. LOL Stay Safe. Stay Healthy. God bless our country during these changing times!!!

  • @justinl.3587
    @justinl.3587 4 года назад +1

    All of our old shapers were all anchored to the floor. You could keep it elevated like you have it but use heavy duty planer jacks to support the areas no covered by the 3 point setup. You can run them up to where they just have slight pressure and lock them in to keep them from turning.

  • @paulcharman44
    @paulcharman44 4 года назад +2

    As others have said the motor is most likely the start windings.
    the soft wood on the shaper is simply a bad idea, use steel plates if you must have it off of the floor or hard wood, then you should shim it, the plates and shims should extend outside the base by 30 to 50mm, avoid edge to edge. It will take an age but will be worth it.
    Looking forward to SNS300 next week.

  • @RJMachine62
    @RJMachine62 4 года назад +1

    I sat my shaper down on one of those horse mats from Tractor supply and it levels out nicely. The bottom of my shaper was slightly bowed as well and it rock some. THe horse mat fixed that issue real quick.

  • @billgrates4609
    @billgrates4609 4 года назад +3

    You might think about fabbing up two steel rails drilled and tapped for anchor bolts and grouting those rails in level and coplaner to each other then mounting the machine to those rails. This would allow you to unbolt and move the machine should you need to but provide a solid and flat connection to the concrete. I see a lot of industrial machines mounting in this way.

  • @SynchroScore
    @SynchroScore 4 года назад +3

    If you've got a motor that just hums, you might also be missing a phase. Either there is a broken/loose wire between the switch and the motor, something wrong with the switch, or (worst-case scenario) you have an open circuit in one of the stator coils. That's easy enough to find with an ohmmeter.

  • @kdel9776
    @kdel9776 4 года назад +3

    you can see the base flex when you jacked it up from the back, i dont think the base is strong enough to use only support on the front and back

  • @surfaceequipmentservicellc781
    @surfaceequipmentservicellc781 4 года назад +1

    Love your channel.
    You might want to look into self leveling epoxy. It can be costly, but will solve your uneven floor, reduce the risk of your concrete eroding further, and provide chemical resilience. I’ve done this for machine shops out here on the west coast.

  • @shadowfox929
    @shadowfox929 4 года назад +9

    Aren't you afraid of cracking the base casting by not supporting the center?

    • @thegum3552
      @thegum3552 4 года назад +2

      put a dial on the center while its running and watch that puppy flex.
      crack that base and you have a nice door stopper

    • @repairtech9320
      @repairtech9320 4 года назад +1

      Immediately thought the same thing.

  • @kiddiescripterkiller
    @kiddiescripterkiller 4 года назад +3

    The 3 point foot setup will help with any rocking on an unlevel floor. I think what play you have left in the shaper is, the wood itself compressing. Those posts look like pine, a softwood, I would do some digging around on Craigslist and businesses for some free pallets, on the bigger pallets like they use to ship zero turn mowers, four wheelers, etc... or big equipment, you can find 6x6 or 4x6 pallet runners / blocks and the majority are made out of oak, a lot harder than pine. However, after a while it may fully compress and you might be okay. You will need to see.

    • @boots7859
      @boots7859 4 года назад

      I was wondering about that wood as well, since the 2x's he pulled out looked like standard big-box white wood/pine etc.
      Agree that a decent hardwood and watch the grain- workshopcompanion.com/KnowHow/Design/Nature_of_Wood/3_Wood_Strength/3_Wood_Strength.htm

  • @klschofield71
    @klschofield71 4 года назад +2

    Hey Adam, I'm quite familiar with using 3d printing to generate patterns for sand casting and it was hard to tell, but those patterns didn't look like they had enough draft to them. Ideally you want 2-3 degrees, but with small features I usually try for 5-7 degrees. A sand-able primer and some pattern paint is really all you need; those looked like some nice, clean prints.

  • @tuppyglossop222
    @tuppyglossop222 4 года назад +6

    You really should have the shaper supported in the middle. that base looks too thin to support the weight of the superstructure. As you said yourself, it should really be grouted all round - in other words supported all over. You should indicate the mid point of the base and see what it is doing.

  • @SegmentedTurner
    @SegmentedTurner 4 года назад +1

    Here's an idea for mounting your shaper. I've used truck tire retread throwoffs I picked up on the freeway under my machines. I cut them on my bandsaw into squares of the size I want and place them at mounting points under the machine. They work great and absorb vibrations while compensating for an uneven floor. I've also drilled holes in them for mounting my air compressor to the floor. Keep in mind you'll destroy your bandsaw blade cutting through the steel cord in the tread.

  • @xumot
    @xumot 4 года назад +10

    Something tells me it's not a good thing to leave middle of the base hanging in air like that. Six adjustable Abom-size feets would be a lot better/safer.

    • @MrRaincoast
      @MrRaincoast 4 года назад

      Two wedges machined so that they mate without slipping that can somehow be affixed together once they reach the proper elevation would be ideal.

  • @rickbrandt9559
    @rickbrandt9559 4 года назад +2

    When not pushing for product count, old way relaxing steady, no stress work.. Always enjoy reading shop experts(?) comments!!

  • @donpetrey8007
    @donpetrey8007 4 года назад +2

    Also once it’s set where you want gently tap in a couple wedges in the center with a dead blow not enough to lift it just enough to support so it doesn’t sag in the middle over time.

  • @lonniehutchinson4310
    @lonniehutchinson4310 4 года назад +1

    "Finally got all my machines ready to go." I recall you having a radial arm drill under a tarp. I hope that's still in the works!

  • @Venge94
    @Venge94 4 года назад +3

    Have you ever considered making some adjustable machine feet, similar to keiths on his shaper? Then you could adjust those to compensate for the concrete or machine base.

  • @thebrothers3971
    @thebrothers3971 4 года назад +2

    I love the photo of you and your dad and your grandad. It is a great one. That pic should be dominating a wall.

  • @garciarosa100
    @garciarosa100 4 года назад +2

    1" thick hard rubber pads on the corners of the machine work great and it takes up a lot of vibration.

  • @0verboosted
    @0verboosted 4 года назад +2

    Really like the type of video shooting you did for this video Adam; kind of just felt more familiar and relaxed walking around in the shop than having the camera stationary all the time. Should keep that up for some future SNS

    • @Abom79
      @Abom79  4 года назад +1

      0verboosted I enjoy it myself, I like changing it up

  • @hank5655
    @hank5655 4 года назад +2

    Hey I really like the chip collector, it sure makes cleanup a lot easier.

  • @ProfessorHori
    @ProfessorHori 4 года назад +7

    It is dangerous to leave a gap under the machine above the height of the boots toe.

  • @peterhodgkins6985
    @peterhodgkins6985 4 года назад +1

    Use solid (not wood) footings that will suit the machinery mounting pads under each tie-down point and then shim the thing into a stable and level condition is my suggestion.. That method provides the maximum stability for the machine while compensating for the less-than-perfect concrete flooring. It also allows the machine to be moved and re-shimmed at some future point. (I worked in the oil/gas/power generation field and installed LOT of heavy equipment!) ;) Thanks for all the neat videos!

  • @sweepleader
    @sweepleader 4 года назад +1

    I threaded the holes in the base of a Bridgeport mill, added 3/4x10 square head set screws and some very heavy washers to each corner. The washers had 5/8" holes so the set screw combination allowed some swivel to match the floor. I think torqured all the same while leveling the machine so they all had the same load.

  • @steveshoemaker6347
    @steveshoemaker6347 4 года назад +2

    That is a mighty nice pic. at the end of your video....You got that shop set very well my....Friend thank for the upload...l am 78 years old now can't do much anymore....But love watching you do things l used to do......Thanks my young friend again...!

  • @MrEarling
    @MrEarling 4 года назад +2

    My choice for leveling the shaper. If you don't want to make it permanent. Is to make feet for the 6 or 8 mounting holes on the bottom of the machine. Like small saucers. Get the largest diameter ready rod for the holes and put nuts on the bottom and top then you can level all the feet and lock it with the nuts. It would take care of the uneven concrete. I'm just a bit nervous about such a heavy machine only on 3 points. Take care good video.

    • @ericnewton5720
      @ericnewton5720 4 года назад +1

      I’m definitely with @MrEarling on this. We ran a shop with embroidery machines that needed to be relatively pretty precise and were somewhat jumpy when running at full speed. when you have high precision machines, they need lots of support. Removing the support from the middle has to be causing mid sag on the machine’s foundation which will exhibit itself in other ways like excessive middle rail wear and other oddities that won’t show up right away.
      However it seems like it’s ok for now, I would just consider that for a future SNS. ;-)

  • @paulmanson253
    @paulmanson253 4 года назад +1

    Hmm. That shaper sure is a big beast. I would suggest Hilti stuff into the floor,then lags into them. Sikaflex or 3M 520/5200 Marine Sealant Adhesive is pretty darn impressive stuff for bedding engines and the like. Adding wooden wedge blocks into the centre area with the sealant adhesive acting as a vibration reducer,you could fully lag the machine down and maintain the ability to move it easily. Get the thing bedded without fiddling with the concrete floor . Shouldn't take you more than a few hours,and the results well worth it. All the best.

  • @BedsitBob
    @BedsitBob 4 года назад +2

    I must've been dreaming because, for a minute there, I thought I saw Abom cutting timber. 😁

  • @tmenzella
    @tmenzella 4 года назад

    Absolutely loved this video Adam. Thank you for taking us with you on your journey. 👍🏻

  • @davidapp3730
    @davidapp3730 4 года назад +3

    The heavy gang as they called them would level our machines then create a dam all around them and pour grout under them.
    When I was installing the machines I worked on we would use shims to distribute the load evenly all around the machine. I was not very comfortable seeing that heavy machine suspended on each end like that. If you add support in the middle carefully adding shims all around so all the points are equally loaded.

  • @johndcknsn
    @johndcknsn 4 года назад +2

    If you need any electrical help, let me know. I am an Electrical Engineer working with National Aerospace Solutions. I would recommend that the keyseater be provided with 230 or 240 volts as there are inherent voltage drop in all electrical systems. I have recently been involved in installing large motors (5000 HP) that are rated at 6600 volts, but are supplied with 6900 volts. Also, DO NOT run the keyseater until it is freely rotating. Locked rotor current is much higher than full load current and will quickly damage a motor (if damage did not occur already). Ensure that all wiring has proper ampacity (current carrying capacity) and sized according to NFPA 70 (National Electric Code). Let me know if you have any questions, comments, etc.

  • @oscarc5531
    @oscarc5531 4 года назад +2

    I've just got a bad feeling that a lot of load is coming down right on that unsupported center in the cast base... Nice to see you might have found the problem :)

  • @lemagreengreen
    @lemagreengreen 4 года назад +1

    That toe jack looks like a handy tool to have, I'll put it on the list :)
    Definitely sounds like the grinder needs new bearings somewhere, she'll make a good restoration project.

  • @whitehoose
    @whitehoose 4 года назад +1

    Ideally 3 point on each side 4 end support points + 2 central.
    Keith Rucker's design is good and functional for big heavy machines worth a word with him.

  • @JRock17991
    @JRock17991 4 года назад +1

    Great vid. My guess on the KeySeater Hum is the Motor Wiring. (off the top of my head). It's easy to troubleshoot. Thanks!

  • @glennmoreland6457
    @glennmoreland6457 4 года назад +4

    Adam:
    Possibly a ball/detent & spring arrangement on that trans lever....
    Happen the spring is cracked, missing or lost its memory....🇬🇧☺️

  • @MrJohnnaz
    @MrJohnnaz 4 года назад +2

    Outside of grouting it down, you could try some thick rubber that horse suppliers carry, it's about 3/4" thick.
    We have used it for years, under some heavy-duty woodworking machines, one is a 36" planer that weighs 12,000 lbs, and a sander that weighs 18,000 lbs.
    It gives you great contact with the floor, but will still conform kind of like grout.

  • @jmew1922
    @jmew1922 4 года назад +2

    put two strips of steel on the floor,then put dry grout on the steel. You can put a sheet of plastic between the grout and the machine, then lower the machine down spray the grout with a little water and leave for 5 days for it to cure

  • @carlbukowsky1931
    @carlbukowsky1931 4 года назад +1

    My first step when acquiring an old machine is to remove the belt(s) and then check the motor, unloaded. It has been my experience that even a good motor will need a lube job before running. You can usually feel how good the motor bearing are by hand turning the shaft; as a rule I will tear down the motor for a full cleaning and replace the bearing. Don't be in a hurry to run the machine; you could inflict damage especially when that old iron has been sitting for long time without regular service/maintenance.

  • @MarcStowe
    @MarcStowe 4 года назад +3

    Rather than setting the machine on the face grain of the wood you could cut blocks that allow you to set it on the end grain. Wood compresses much less in its longitudinal direction. .003” could easily be coming from the wood compressing under the load.

  • @kwalker375
    @kwalker375 4 года назад +3

    Could machine a few small screw jacks to position under the corners to stabilize and support the shaper.

  • @Christian-ti7wh
    @Christian-ti7wh 4 года назад +7

    Hey Adam, don't you think you should support the shaper in the middle too?

    • @generessler6282
      @generessler6282 4 года назад +3

      Yeah. If it's designed to be on a grout base, I wonder if the additional bending stress of being supported only on the ends will be carried up to those very precise ways and hurt their precision.

    • @seanhorton3811
      @seanhorton3811 4 года назад +3

      Seconding on supporting in the middle. The manufacturer had 6 points of support/securing the machine. If it sits well on the end, suggest making some tapered wood shims that you can be driven in to fill the gap and give some support in the middle. Look into Titan Concrete Screws to secure the shaper. They are easy to install and easy to remove if you want to reposition the machine. I like them much better than drop in anchors.

  • @erlingweiseth2774
    @erlingweiseth2774 4 года назад +4

    Pour some lapping paste on the floor, and lap the underside of the G&E. It would make a perfect base for it to rest on. LOL ;)

  • @mrmichael555
    @mrmichael555 4 года назад

    Love the shaper. In the machine tool rebuilding phase of my life, I got to watch one of my long beds (around 20') get trued up on a huge shaper. (I scraped that in afterwards).
    Anyway, I really appreciate all of the videos. Thanks for sharing.

  • @tdkrei
    @tdkrei 4 года назад +1

    OMG, I haven't seen an Oliver drill sharpener since I left Clyde Iron Works in Duluth, MN in 1968. You have the coolant tank and fittings I hope. Nice shop. Thanks.

  • @lukemeisenbach1964
    @lukemeisenbach1964 4 года назад +4

    Sounds like your key seater is missing one of the 3 phases. It has a new for it (used) switch so are all of the 3 phases coming out of it when you turn it on? Do you have an AC voltmeter and can measure voltage coming out of the switch between the 3 phases? Don't let it sit there and hum as that will kill the motor., the only winding powered on just 2 of the 3 draws too much current. You also need to check if it turns in proper rotation direction. Can't wait to see the main motor of the K&T rewired with the knee put on the correct voltage.

  • @youcoulduseit7492
    @youcoulduseit7492 4 года назад +1

    Great use of the scientific method in solving the flex/movement question. There's nothing in the maintinence manual about leveling. cause that can cause uneven wear. My geuss with the popping out of gear Is the bearing surface under the gears. Or ends of related shafts. just general slop. You've done a real great job with that machine. Cutting tools are much cheaper for the shaper. Those big chips are it's speed secret. And what the hell you already got all that oil for the thing! looks nice out there enjoy!

  • @cozmium
    @cozmium 4 года назад +4

    The shaper leaves a better finish than a mill ever does on jobs like this in my opinion

  • @paulbragg7618
    @paulbragg7618 4 года назад +4

    I think a "making adjustable feet for the shaper" vidya is in order

  • @billphillipstube
    @billphillipstube 4 года назад

    Awesome to see that you have your power issues solved now. That's been on the table for a while now.

  • @dennisrisk6063
    @dennisrisk6063 4 года назад +1

    Our larger Bar machines with 40' runways had I beams and wide flange beams embedded in the concrete foundations that plates were welded to and rods were threaded into going thru the jacks that sat over and thru the machine base. It was a great day when we took possession of a Zeiss NI1 optical level. The old Paragon level was never used again.

  • @tobiasbostwick9002
    @tobiasbostwick9002 4 года назад +2

    Adam, during the mid-eighties, I was part of a crew of dismantlers under contract with Seaboard Coastline Railroad to divest their Port Boca Grande FL. location of all equipment.
    Port Boca Grande, located on Gasparilla Island about 100 miles south of Tampa, predated electricity's availability on the island. Therefore, a steam-powered generator was located at the port in the same building that housed a large and very capable shop filled with common shaft powered machinery, all of which was bedded in a mortar to compensate for the floor's unevenness. We were treated to a tour of and allowed several weeks to use the still fully functional, albeit now commonly electrified, shop to build gantries and the like. All the machines were rock stable. No judgment and your mileage may vary, just sharing some wisdom from the past. I greatly enjoy your channel, carry on sir.

  • @wgm-en2gx
    @wgm-en2gx 4 года назад +2

    Adam, you should redo the heavy cuts you were testing a few videos ago with the test indicator and see of it was the base that was flexing. I would think that bolting it down to the concrete would add a lot of rigidity. The wood might allow flexing and that might have been what you saw when doing the heavy cuts.

  • @Coffieman5150
    @Coffieman5150 4 года назад +2

    Adam, for that transmission lever, can you 3D print a temporary (removable) spacer to keep it from popping out of gear. At least until you can get in and fix it.

  • @tymiller08
    @tymiller08 4 года назад +1

    Hey Adam. I just put new bearings in my bench grinder tonight and when I put it back together and turned it on, all it did was hum. It ended up being the flyweights for the starting capacitor not making contact with the shorting ring. I just figured I’d share, in case it would help you out with the motor issue you’re experiencing with your keyseater.

  • @jonnygg6594
    @jonnygg6594 4 года назад +1

    That drill grinder has a nice rhythm to it.

  • @RobertPerrigoOkiechopper
    @RobertPerrigoOkiechopper 4 года назад

    I would be totally excited to sit in your shop & watch you working, and me getting tools or holding them for you.
    And the weather looks very pleasant as well, man, what a life.

  • @prinzeugenvansovoyen732
    @prinzeugenvansovoyen732 4 года назад +3

    what speaks against putting SBR ruber heavey duty maschine feet onto it and anchoring it down for good ? are you indecisive abaut weather or not you want to keep it in that spot?

  • @jonarbuckle1560
    @jonarbuckle1560 4 года назад +1

    I'm interested in the tool geometry of a shaper. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how the chip is actually made at the point or line of contact. Things get complicated real quick when they get simplified for some reason.
    Good luck on the heat treating I'm sure you're knee deep into at this point. Updates and lessons learned soon please. Good stuff.

  • @truckguy6666
    @truckguy6666 4 года назад

    Another great video. You have got a TON of specialty equipment. I like how you have laid out the machines in the space available.

  • @johnshoureas1629
    @johnshoureas1629 4 года назад +2

    I'm sure mr. pete will enjoy the upcoming casting videos.

  • @AdamsAdams-fc1ld
    @AdamsAdams-fc1ld 4 года назад +2

    Don’t worry about people making bad comments to you, it’s your work and screw what they think. I have never did any kind of that work and really like watching your videos.

  • @randomstranger9674
    @randomstranger9674 4 года назад +1

    Those chop saws cut pretty darned quick when they have an Abom leaning on them.

  • @bernardwill7196
    @bernardwill7196 4 года назад +2

    I see 6 holes in the basement of the shaper , maybe 1/2 " or 3/4 " . This one are best to fill with adjustable pads for machines. best greetings from germany.

  • @thaumaturgicresearchcounci4180
    @thaumaturgicresearchcounci4180 4 года назад +1

    The movement in the shaper is down to the momentum of the ram moving back and forth, not just the change in the centre of mass. Really needs to be bolted to the floor. Do you find it walks around a bit as it's operating?

  • @cybersylo5786
    @cybersylo5786 4 года назад +6

    Won't leaving the machine unevenly unsupported across the whole base cause the shaper to bow causing you to lose level? Plus the machine is still moving which like it or not is going to affect the accuracy of your cuts. Brother in my humble opinion you should just bite the bullet and lag it in. Even if you leave the wood under it, you can use adjust the lag bolt pressure to level the machine. Go big or go home :)

  • @mumblbeebee6546
    @mumblbeebee6546 4 года назад +2

    I am disappointed we did not get a shot of you using the new blade for a close shave 😂
    Other than that, thanks for the time!

  • @danielesilvaggi
    @danielesilvaggi 4 года назад +3

    Use shims to level the machine out and then lag it to the concrete. They make a U shaped shim for that reason.