Also the discourse on models modeling ballet style clothes - I don’t think anyone looks at a model in styled clothes and expects them to be the perfect expert on that inspired look. Meaning Bella wearing ballet inspired looks for a magazine is not something I would look with a magnifying glass to see if she’s doing it perfectly because that’s not the point, the point is fashion and style. And this is coming from a ballerina of 20 years (from age 6). I think the people that are usually offended are not seasoned ballerinas or people who had a phase of ballet because usually seasoned ballerinas know that some model in a magazine is just a model paid to show and perform for the artist being the camera and designers and sell the products
I know barely anything about ballet but listening to you two geek out about ballet was so fun! Love listening to people who are passionate and know their shittt
It brings me joy to hear black woman talking about ballet and their experience. As a Balanchine momma, my daughter trains at PNB in Seattle, it’s my heart to talk about representation in ballet. Balanchine dancers have so much artistry, but Vaganova dancers are very technical. I also agree with @mobballet, about talking about the history of black dancers before us and how these companies came to be. The fact that still in 2024, black ballerinas are told to be grateful and are downplayed and looked over. There are still that are bullied and told they got a role, promotion, spot in an intensive because of their blackness. It’s never because of their talent which is frustrating. The fact that she is a pink tights girlie made me so sad. Black ballerinas were forced to wear pink for so long and when they had the option to wear skin tone, they fear being different and don’t dare to venture out. That’s like at MCB, they don’t allow skin tone options in the company or school. The SI, you can only wear them for a choreography class. Dancers are allowed to wear skin tone options for the audition but not at the school. I could go on for days about this, so I’ll stop!
Ladies, ya'll are missing the whole conversation of the history and legacy of Dance Theatre of Harlem! would love to have a deeper conversation about this topic!!
Yeah this conversation they are having really disappoints me. Dance Theatre of Harlem was a place where Black and Brown dancers were not othered. They created their own table rather than begging for a seat at a table that didn’t want them there . Until we stop looking at the world through the lens of White Supremacy we won’t get out of this toxic dynamic where we (Black people) are constantly trying to fight our way in. We need to create our own and stop placing so much value on things White People have created as measures of their worth. I almost don’t want to watch this anymore. Talk about being part of the problem… But I will persist because I want to support Black creators no matter what. 😫
This was an aside to the fashion conversation, so some really important players were definitely missed. Didn’t even get to gush about Lauren Anderson at Houston Ballet. I love Dance Theatre of Harlem, but we were talking about my lack of aspiration for NYCB specifically as a classically trained dancer. Back when I was dancing, DTH was on pause and didn’t come back until 2012 so apologies for not bringing up in the conversation. If they were around I would have auditioned there as a top priority having suffered in white spaces for a majority of my life.
I love it listen when experienced people in any field go in on their profession. You usually walk away with quotable gems like the following: “I’m a pink tights girl!” “Some of these dancers are 😂🤣wearing Nike…they’re wearing Lulu!”
Such interesting chat by two articulate and smart people. I’d love to hear thoughts on Dance Theatre of Harlem, Gaynor Minden - cheat yes or no, Covid and classes online etc. Also, Bella Hadid had a supreme level of competence in horse riding. I wonder how SHE would feel if a non-equestrian were modelling crossover wear for that. Our main London capezio shop has just moved premises. Smaller I believe. They do hardcore push their colour range though. I had two black ballet teachers at college. One French islander one Brazilian. One of them herself literally told me it’s less common to get totally straight legs that aren’t ‘sway forward’ as opposed to swayback in black dancers and it’s more common to get splayed out toes wrong for point. As a 16 year old kid who grew up in urban UK I was are you for real saying this ??? She literally said oh but Paris adores a single female black dancer after Josephine Baker and I was wtf that isn’t your only legacy! England has some amazing outreach programs to get particularly black boys into ballet. Since Carlos at the Royal it’s so on trend x thank you for this x
Oh and someone tell Bloch, Capezio etc collaborate with Pat McGrath or Fenty Beauty for brown colors for shoes, tights, and leotards. The b24-b27 are a good start but we need more
Rtw for dancers is like Rick Owens. I saw recently no one reached out to Janet Jackson for a sneaker collab. She and Chris Brown could sell out Capezio!!!!!
I think Dione should pitch Capezio on a capsule collection. I'm seeing t-shirts with the necks cut out and little Les Sylphides wings screenprinted on the back, black trash-bag shorts and baboushkas circa Gelsey Kirkland in the 70s, that could double as shawls for Don Quixote rehearsal. Then do a fashion editorial shoot / ad featuring ABT dancers, and maybe a couple from Alvin Ailey and Ballet Hispanico, and get pieces on ex-ballerina celebrities like Margaret Qualley, Anya Taylor-Joy, and Zoe Saldana to wear out and get photographed in. It sounds like I'm joking but I actually think it would be fun. And only an ex-ballet dancer who knows fashion can make balletcore happen the right way.
This is so interesting. It’s like I’m ease dropping into their conversation about the world of dance and ballet. Something I admired but could never afford. Like the guest says that she didnt consider city ballet bc she didn’t think it was possible. Growing up low income and with a single parent I always had interests like dance and ballet but didn’t think it was possible because it was expensive. And it never became a reality. But at least I can dress like a lil black ballerina.
Nothing brings me more joy than watching other Black women talk about ballet 🩰
I love that they respectfully disagree...we use to call that the art of conversation.❤
I loved just being a fly on the wall listening to these ladies talk ballet.
So true about ABT versus City Ballet. She was so spot on!
Also the discourse on models modeling ballet style clothes - I don’t think anyone looks at a model in styled clothes and expects them to be the perfect expert on that inspired look. Meaning Bella wearing ballet inspired looks for a magazine is not something I would look with a magnifying glass to see if she’s doing it perfectly because that’s not the point, the point is fashion and style. And this is coming from a ballerina of 20 years (from age 6). I think the people that are usually offended are not seasoned ballerinas or people who had a phase of ballet because usually seasoned ballerinas know that some model in a magazine is just a model paid to show and perform for the artist being the camera and designers and sell the products
Love this. Two intelligent women agreeing to disagree, at times, and treating one another with respect. This never happens anymore. Bravo!
“I think they wanted my lines to be bad” 🤣😂 (9:27) Love this convo- so informed, so matter of fact, and so funny:)
I know barely anything about ballet but listening to you two geek out about ballet was so fun! Love listening to people who are passionate and know their shittt
Love the chemistry between you two ♥️
Love these conversations! Also, totally agree with your thoughts on Capezio, they need a rebrand.
Would love a Fenty Beauty or Pat McGrath color range collab
It brings me joy to hear black woman talking about ballet and their experience. As a Balanchine momma, my daughter trains at PNB in Seattle, it’s my heart to talk about representation in ballet. Balanchine dancers have so much artistry, but Vaganova dancers are very technical. I also agree with @mobballet, about talking about the history of black dancers before us and how these companies came to be. The fact that still in 2024, black ballerinas are told to be grateful and are downplayed and looked over. There are still that are bullied and told they got a role, promotion, spot in an intensive because of their blackness. It’s never because of their talent which is frustrating. The fact that she is a pink tights girlie made me so sad. Black ballerinas were forced to wear pink for so long and when they had the option to wear skin tone, they fear being different and don’t dare to venture out. That’s like at MCB, they don’t allow skin tone options in the company or school. The SI, you can only wear them for a choreography class. Dancers are allowed to wear skin tone options for the audition but not at the school. I could go on for days about this, so I’ll stop!
This is the best fashion content On YT. Brava!
This is an incredible interview!
Ladies, ya'll are missing the whole conversation of the history and legacy of Dance Theatre of Harlem! would love to have a deeper conversation about this topic!!
And Carmen Delavallade my namesake! So glad my mom named me after such a goddess
Yeah this conversation they are having really disappoints me.
Dance Theatre of Harlem was a place where Black and Brown dancers were not othered. They created their own table rather than begging for a seat at a table that didn’t want them there .
Until we stop looking at the world through the lens of White Supremacy we won’t get out of this toxic dynamic where we (Black people) are constantly trying to fight our way in. We need to create our own and stop placing so much value on things White People have created as measures of their worth.
I almost don’t want to watch this anymore. Talk about being part of the problem… But I will persist because I want to support Black creators no matter what.
😫
This was an aside to the fashion conversation, so some really important players were definitely missed. Didn’t even get to gush about Lauren Anderson at Houston Ballet. I love Dance Theatre of Harlem, but we were talking about my lack of aspiration for NYCB specifically as a classically trained dancer. Back when I was dancing, DTH was on pause and didn’t come back until 2012 so apologies for not bringing up in the conversation. If they were around I would have auditioned there as a top priority having suffered in white spaces for a majority of my life.
I agree with Dione when it comes to the ABT vs. NYCB debate.
I still remember Capezio made the most amazing high heeled street shoes in the 70s
I love it listen when experienced people in any field go in on their profession. You usually walk away with quotable gems like the following:
“I’m a pink tights girl!”
“Some of these dancers are 😂🤣wearing Nike…they’re wearing Lulu!”
Im screaming @ "I can have the deck done by Friday" 😂😂😂...literally me and my bff when we have an official idea 😂❤
I stopped ballet at 19 because of a bad car accident. I just miss being able to do a grande jete without feeling it in my neck
Such interesting chat by two articulate and smart people. I’d love to hear thoughts on Dance Theatre of Harlem, Gaynor Minden - cheat yes or no, Covid and classes online etc. Also, Bella Hadid had a supreme level of competence in horse riding. I wonder how SHE would feel if a non-equestrian were modelling crossover wear for that.
Our main London capezio shop has just moved premises. Smaller I believe. They do hardcore push their colour range though. I had two black ballet teachers at college. One French islander one Brazilian. One of them herself literally told me it’s less common to get totally straight legs that aren’t ‘sway forward’ as opposed to swayback in black dancers and it’s more common to get splayed out toes wrong for point. As a 16 year old kid who grew up in urban UK I was are you for real saying this ??? She literally said oh but Paris adores a single female black dancer after Josephine Baker and I was wtf that isn’t your only legacy! England has some amazing outreach programs to get particularly black boys into ballet. Since Carlos at the Royal it’s so on trend x thank you for this x
Great analysis.
Oh and someone tell Bloch, Capezio etc collaborate with Pat McGrath or Fenty Beauty for brown colors for shoes, tights, and leotards. The b24-b27 are a good start but we need more
Rtw for dancers is like Rick Owens. I saw recently no one reached out to Janet Jackson for a sneaker collab. She and Chris Brown could sell out Capezio!!!!!
Someone please tell me where at striped shirt and tie set is from - it is so good
I think Dione should pitch Capezio on a capsule collection. I'm seeing t-shirts with the necks cut out and little Les Sylphides wings screenprinted on the back, black trash-bag shorts and baboushkas circa Gelsey Kirkland in the 70s, that could double as shawls for Don Quixote rehearsal. Then do a fashion editorial shoot / ad featuring ABT dancers, and maybe a couple from Alvin Ailey and Ballet Hispanico, and get pieces on ex-ballerina celebrities like Margaret Qualley, Anya Taylor-Joy, and Zoe Saldana to wear out and get photographed in. It sounds like I'm joking but I actually think it would be fun. And only an ex-ballet dancer who knows fashion can make balletcore happen the right way.
This is so interesting. It’s like I’m ease dropping into their conversation about the world of dance and ballet. Something I admired but could never afford. Like the guest says that she didnt consider city ballet bc she didn’t think it was possible. Growing up low income and with a single parent I always had interests like dance and ballet but didn’t think it was possible because it was expensive. And it never became a reality. But at least I can dress like a lil black ballerina.
The host is so good. And she’s beautiful
As a woman I love listening to opinionated women talk their shit when they know what they are talking about. Loved this snippet!
RE👏🏽BRAND👏🏽CAPEZIO
Yesss 🔥
Absolutely!
Loveeee the abt take!!!
Wonderful! More! ❤
I need to know what Dione Davis is wearing on her lips on this video. It looks so beautiful on her.
Where do i get to watch the full conversation??! Plz halp
Patreon
@thecuttingroomfloor I would love to know what you think of Tate McRae as a dancer/ballerina, and even see you speaking together on your show.
LoL I need a glossary
Let me just say that City Ballet can have her be the first black dewdrop and gives her soloist roles, but will not promote her yet!
I literally thought this was Azealia Banks... Lol.
They’re probably of the same tribe. For example I’m fulani so I favor people I never met
Why does she not like Karlie?
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How is this not Azalea Banks?
Literally no one in the ballet world thinks city ballet is the best or has the best dancers… like is this a joke
I’m offended by everything Bella Hadid does
Sorry but ABT does not. Have the best Dancers. Royal Ballet ,Stuttgart Ballet,Paris Opera Ballet and the list goes on Honey!
They are very clearly talking about America. Open your ears.
Lol I dont like Karlie… Now I dont like you😝
Thank you for content farming I’m so so happy I found you 🩷