Prior to being placed on display at Warner Bros in Watford, 5972 was still used to haul occasional excursion trains. Just before 5972 Olton Hall was withdrawn from traffic in 2014 when both it's boiler certificate and mainline certificate's expired, the engine worked two final railtours which we're called "The Wizards Express" and ran from Manchester Victoria to York via Carnforth and Skipton. 5972 hauled both trains to York from Carnforth and then back to Carnforth (the 1st trip on the return journey being from York to Hellifield due to a late evening engineering block in Manchester). Tickets for the trip we're £69 per person and I managed to get tickets to go on both trips.
Please do a video about why older wizards had suffixes after their names like the evil, the foul, the barmy etc and when and why this practice died out. By the way I love this channel and all of its videos
@@paulcowlishaw I mean wizards from older times like Herpo The Foul and Emeric The Evil. Lots of wizards from this time had these suffixes after their names and I'm wondering where this practice came from and why it died out and these are good channels to get theories on these things
Since it's a thing outside of the HP universe be it for Muggles or magical folks worldwide, I don't think one can trace the practice back to a single point of origin. Gandalf is only one example from another universe/franchise. Suleyman the magnificent would be one historical figure among many to have earned a descriptor that remained tied to his name long after his demise. Catherine the Great is another...
Off topic: What happened to Lily's parents. We know James's parents died early but there is little info about lily's parents. James and Lily were quite young when they died, probably in early 20s, so her parents should not be too old to die without knowing about harry and dudley. What happened to them? Can we get a video about them?
Every time I see this, I'm reminded how much I love the Hogwarts express, but also that I wanna make a 'book accurate' version using as period accurate equipment as possible with modifications. Still looking for a good model for the locomotive since early steam locomotives aren't easy to come by... Though still. I'm thinking an early Midland or similar locomotive that's either a 2-2-2 or such without a tender
I knew about Platform 7 1/2 before I watched this video because the fact was stated at the end of a Harry Potter book as a bonus treat for fans. I researched Platform 7 1/2 further on the Harry Potter Wiki. I also knew about the Memory Charms and Concealment Charm used to create the Hogwarts Express and the other methods of transportation underage wizards used to get to Hogwarts thanks to bonus facts stated at the ends of other Harry Potter books. Thank you, Dean, for this in-depth history lesson. I'm sure it's convenient for those who don't read the Harry Potter Wiki.
I just want to say, if I haven't before, I really love your voice, how enthusiastic it is, and your narrative flow. You do a great job on these videos, thank you.
I've speculated that the Hogwarts Express begins in the Quadruple London-Peterburough track and is switch of to a short wizarding thank and onto the Lindob-York Track but just before York it is switched off again to a wizarding track into the Scottish Highlands and on to Hogwarts. While on the Muggle track it appears as a slow moving Electric train but this is an illusion from a special Charm.. The train has to be visible to Muggles while on the Muggle track Muggle track and activate the train signals for safety reasons. Because it is partially mechanical the magic at Hogwarts is too much for it. Therefore it stops in Hogsmeade.
You know, I've always had a rather nostalgic love for steam engines. And to actually see one still working in this day and age, even if only in fiction, it's basically a dream come true for me. I also think it was a very cute story about how they got the train for the movies.
You know there are plenty of heritage steam railways all round the world, run mostly by volunteers; there are narrow, miniature, broad and full gauge heritage lines. If you are interested in steam engines, I'd really recommend you go to one - if that's possible for you of course!
“Cannot be accessed by muggles” is a bit of a stretch, because Lily Evans and her whole family of muggles including Petunia were able to accompany Lilly to the train. So maybe it’s just family of Muggle borne that are allowed in? Hermione’s parents are also allowed in too.
@@kellysouter4381 Parents of muggleborns are allowed I guess as they are also allowed to enter diagon alley and gringotts despite leaky cauldron is hidden from muggles.
This is most likely all cannon within Harry Potter but me who know a thing or 2 about trains and steamtrains, this feels so wrong: this train was only built in 1937. Not in the 1830... like real world 1830 steam engines were still made of wood, the best steamengine was the famous Stephenson's Rocket. So that's verry wierd and confusing but I guess with magic everything is possible
Interesting. I did not know about that other platform. Thanks for sharing! One minor thing: it is not impossible for Muggles to enter platform 9 3/4, as you claimed. We see on some occations that Muggles do come onto the platform, but in those cases they are accompaning a magical family member there (remember, for example, the scene when Petunia calls Lily a freak for the first time, which was on that platform). I believe that the reason why most Muggles don't enter it, even though they can, is that they don't know it exists. You have to enter it intentionally, knowing what you will find there, otherwise it doesn't work.
Hogwarts Express is an express route, not a named engine. Express routes run from point A to point B with no stops in between. Thus from Kings Cross to Hogsmead Village. The engine we know from the movies is not the first and only engine to have been used on this route. The engine we know is a GWR 4900 Class engine number 5972. This is a Hall Class engine designed by Charles Collett in 1923. The first prototype was built in 1924, and went into full production in 1928. There is no way engine number 5972 could have been used prior to 1928. So from 1830 to 1928 there were other engines and coaches used on the express route known as the Hogwarts Express. In the game "Hogwarts Legacy" which takes place sometime in the 1800's I am hoping the game designers use an "era appropriate" engine and coaches for the Hogwarts Express route.
I think the wizards did make tjem but they enchanted them so that if a wizard touches the broom its magical properties are unlocked or something like that
If there are always people from the Ministry keeping an eye on the gate, then why didn't anyone help when he didn't know what to do until the Weasleys showed up, or when Dobby blocked the gate and Ron and Harry missed the train? Just wondering
No, I didn't know about Platform 7½. I've wondered however, how a young witch or wizard from other parts of the island of Britain, or Ireland, for that matter would get to Hogwarts without first having to make the extra trip to London's King's Cross Station. Say the young student comes from Cardiff. Liverpool, or Leeds, King's Cross is a little out of the way, isn't it? What with Hogwarts being located somewhere in the Scottish Highlands, it would seem practical to have trunk lines delivering students to Northampton or Leicester, Edinburgh, or perhaps Glasgow where the Hogwarts Express would make stops.
I must admit that I've never heard of Platform 71/2 before, so that's a new one for me. However, I'm glad that Olton Hall has been preserved and can be seen by Harry Potter fans from around the world. Additionally, I think Olton Hall carries its film livery extremely well and John Williams' score for "The Philosopher's/ Sorceror's Stone) adds a real air of grace and majesty to its first onscreen appearance.
Hi. I had indeed read about platform 7 1/2 … This is cool, thanks for mentioning it back though, so - those of us that heard of it before - we have a confirmation regarding its existence. 👍🏼😉
Very good and interesting video Dean. Thank you for teaching me, about platform 7.5, I didn't know that. I guess in all the 860 years, since the foundation of the school, apparition masters brought the students to the school, which probably made the journey longer & more dangerous. Or with a port key, but then if you miss the port key, you are screwed.
I only knew about Platform 7 1/2 by MovieFlame's vid. I posted there that maybe in other parts of the wizarding world still used old faction vehicles like blimps.
If the Hogwarts express is 170 years old, why is every depiction, including the movies, of a steam locomotive from the 1930s (only about 85 years old)?
I always wondered. If magic can be used to make a 19th century locomotive run without the need of maintaince and fuel, and turn motor vehicles into flying contraptions, then imagine what the Wizarding World can do with space shuttles. Just imagine if Arthur Weasley stole one of Elon Musk's SpaceX shuttles and enchanted it with magic and went exploring outer space. That thing won't have to run on fuel and the passengers on board could just magic if they find themselves in trouble.
I knew about it thanks to SCB video last year about the arrivals of new comers, upper class men, n last year arrivals n they explained 7 1/2 too. Nice video tho.
I've always wondered something. Kingscross is in London which is in southern England, while hogwarts is in southern Scotland. So do student's that live near or north of hogwarts have to go to London to get to school?
ME! Mainly because I also watch SCB videos! I believe they mentioned it in one of their vids OR else I read it on the old Pottermore website somewhere before they changed it to "The Wizarding Word"! 😎
I cannot help but headcanon that for non first years the train stops in the north of England (maybe York) and maybe Edinburgh because it’s so inconvenient for anyone who lives in the north to go down to London to get the train ngl 😂
I knew about Platform 7 1/2 but I always thought that it was used by the Hogwarts professors to travel to the school to get ready for the year. Thank you for the clarification.
Hey Harry Potter folklore can you please do one about the Ford Anglia because Harry's kind of wow about that too and if you couldn't tell I love that car so much
Do students from across Ireland and Northern Britain have to travel all the way to London to catch the express back up to Scotland? What about a kid from Glasgow? York? Belfast? Please tell me a kid who lived in Hogsmead could just walk to the school when term started.
I’m still rereading the Harry Potter series and am on the half blood Prince and have yet to read mention of the orient or platform 7 1/2. That really aught to be expanded upon better, and have its own merchandise as well as the Hogwarts express.
You said that it does 3 round trips, but stated 4 times of the year that it’s used. Who works on the train? Conductor, trolley witch, who else? They can’t have all of those kids with no adult supervision.
Are there special exceptions for students that live close to Hogwarts or would pass it to get to kings cross? Because that would be a bit of a hassle, like if your family is in hogsmead couldnt you just walk to school or fly on a broomstick?
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Prior to being placed on display at Warner Bros in Watford, 5972 was still used to haul occasional excursion trains. Just before 5972 Olton Hall was withdrawn from traffic in 2014 when both it's boiler certificate and mainline certificate's expired, the engine worked two final railtours which we're called "The Wizards Express" and ran from Manchester Victoria to York via Carnforth and Skipton. 5972 hauled both trains to York from Carnforth and then back to Carnforth (the 1st trip on the return journey being from York to Hellifield due to a late evening engineering block in Manchester).
Tickets for the trip we're £69 per person and I managed to get tickets to go on both trips.
Seeing that Scarlet Steam Engine for the first time with John Williams playing in the background is a truly magical experience
Please do a video about why older wizards had suffixes after their names like the evil, the foul, the barmy etc and when and why this practice died out. By the way I love this channel and all of its videos
I'm guessing they earned the infamy on a case by case basis.
Barty crouch do you mean
@@paulcowlishaw I mean wizards from older times like Herpo The Foul and Emeric The Evil. Lots of wizards from this time had these suffixes after their names and I'm wondering where this practice came from and why it died out and these are good channels to get theories on these things
Lahav the Curious.
Since it's a thing outside of the HP universe be it for Muggles or magical folks worldwide, I don't think one can trace the practice back to a single point of origin. Gandalf is only one example from another universe/franchise. Suleyman the magnificent would be one historical figure among many to have earned a descriptor that remained tied to his name long after his demise. Catherine the Great is another...
Olson Hall isn’t a train. It’s a steam locomotive. A train or consist is what is pulled by the locomotive. Education is important.
I had no idea about Platform 7 1/2 and the Orient Express. I would love to hear more about it.
Seeing the hogwarts express every time at the wizarding world at universal studios is always amazing and makes me teary eyed 🥲
I really need to go back there now! I remember going there ten years ago
Off topic: What happened to Lily's parents. We know James's parents died early but there is little info about lily's parents. James and Lily were quite young when they died, probably in early 20s, so her parents should not be too old to die without knowing about harry and dudley. What happened to them? Can we get a video about them?
I had absolutely no clue about platform 7 1/2. Brilliant video as always 🙂
What if a young wizard or witch grew up in hogsmeade? Would they be forced to go to London first, just to get on the train?
Just ask Sir Topham Hatt lol
Every time I see this, I'm reminded how much I love the Hogwarts express, but also that I wanna make a 'book accurate' version using as period accurate equipment as possible with modifications. Still looking for a good model for the locomotive since early steam locomotives aren't easy to come by... Though still. I'm thinking an early Midland or similar locomotive that's either a 2-2-2 or such without a tender
The lady that sell refreshments on the Hogwarts Express also caters on the Orient Express
I knew about Platform 7 1/2 before I watched this video because the fact was stated at the end of a Harry Potter book as a bonus treat for fans. I researched Platform 7 1/2 further on the Harry Potter Wiki.
I also knew about the Memory Charms and Concealment Charm used to create the Hogwarts Express and the other methods of transportation underage wizards used to get to Hogwarts thanks to bonus facts stated at the ends of other Harry Potter books.
Thank you, Dean, for this in-depth history lesson. I'm sure it's convenient for those who don't read the Harry Potter Wiki.
I just want to say, if I haven't before, I really love your voice, how enthusiastic it is, and your narrative flow. You do a great job on these videos, thank you.
Steam trains didn’t look like this in 1827/1830. Passenger railways were just being introduced
I've speculated that the Hogwarts Express begins in the Quadruple London-Peterburough track and is switch of to a short wizarding thank and onto the Lindob-York Track but just before York it is switched off again to a wizarding track into the Scottish Highlands and on to Hogwarts.
While on the Muggle track it appears as a slow moving Electric train but this is an illusion from a special Charm.. The train has to be visible to Muggles while on the Muggle track Muggle track and activate the train signals for safety reasons.
Because it is partially mechanical the magic at Hogwarts is too much for it.
Therefore it stops in Hogsmeade.
I didn't know about platform 7 1/2 that's cool, thank you for the new info!!!
You know, I've always had a rather nostalgic love for steam engines. And to actually see one still working in this day and age, even if only in fiction, it's basically a dream come true for me.
I also think it was a very cute story about how they got the train for the movies.
You know there are plenty of heritage steam railways all round the world, run mostly by volunteers; there are narrow, miniature, broad and full gauge heritage lines. If you are interested in steam engines, I'd really recommend you go to one - if that's possible for you of course!
@@heatherhirst1241 Really, you don't say. How interesting. I'll think about it.
“Cannot be accessed by muggles” is a bit of a stretch, because Lily Evans and her whole family of muggles including Petunia were able to accompany Lilly to the train. So maybe it’s just family of Muggle borne that are allowed in? Hermione’s parents are also allowed in too.
Are they able to get onto the platform or do they say goodbye in the regular station?
They were on the platform according to the books.
@@kellysouter4381 Parents of muggleborns are allowed I guess as they are also allowed to enter diagon alley and gringotts despite leaky cauldron is hidden from muggles.
This is most likely all cannon within Harry Potter but me who know a thing or 2 about trains and steamtrains, this feels so wrong: this train was only built in 1937. Not in the 1830... like real world 1830 steam engines were still made of wood, the best steamengine was the famous Stephenson's Rocket. So that's verry wierd and confusing but I guess with magic everything is possible
Yet another reason muggles assisted in the better part of history in the wizarding world!
This was an awesome video. Don’t see many making videos about the Train. It truly is a magical feat worth noting.
Didn't know about the other train, but not surprised.
lol I absolutely had no idea about the other train nor its entrance. For a moment there I thought you were making it up!😀
Interesting. I did not know about that other platform. Thanks for sharing!
One minor thing: it is not impossible for Muggles to enter platform 9 3/4, as you claimed. We see on some occations that Muggles do come onto the platform, but in those cases they are accompaning a magical family member there (remember, for example, the scene when Petunia calls Lily a freak for the first time, which was on that platform). I believe that the reason why most Muggles don't enter it, even though they can, is that they don't know it exists. You have to enter it intentionally, knowing what you will find there, otherwise it doesn't work.
Very interesting topic. I never realised how important this train was until after watching this video.
Hogwarts Express is an express route, not a named engine. Express routes run from point A to point B with no stops in between. Thus from Kings Cross to Hogsmead Village. The engine we know from the movies is not the first and only engine to have been used on this route. The engine we know is a GWR 4900 Class engine number 5972. This is a Hall Class engine designed by Charles Collett in 1923. The first prototype was built in 1924, and went into full production in 1928. There is no way engine number 5972 could have been used prior to 1928. So from 1830 to 1928 there were other engines and coaches used on the express route known as the Hogwarts Express. In the game "Hogwarts Legacy" which takes place sometime in the 1800's I am hoping the game designers use an "era appropriate" engine and coaches for the Hogwarts Express route.
Awesome. This is one of the best you've ever done.
Wizards didn't want to use a form of transportation they didn't invent?
...did wizards invent brooms, or just make them capable of flight?
I think the wizards did make tjem but they enchanted them so that if a wizard touches the broom its magical properties are unlocked or something like that
If there are always people from the Ministry keeping an eye on the gate, then why didn't anyone help when he didn't know what to do until the Weasleys showed up, or when Dobby blocked the gate and Ron and Harry missed the train? Just wondering
Did not know about 7 1/2. Very cool. Great video.
@1:05 you say hogwarts express may be the most exciting train ever created but I think Santa Claus has something to say about that 🎅 🤪
No, I didn't know about Platform 7½.
I've wondered however, how a young witch or wizard from other parts of the island of Britain, or Ireland, for that matter would get to Hogwarts without first having to make the extra trip to London's King's Cross Station. Say the young student comes from Cardiff. Liverpool, or Leeds, King's Cross is a little out of the way, isn't it? What with Hogwarts being located somewhere in the Scottish Highlands, it would seem practical to have trunk lines delivering students to Northampton or Leicester, Edinburgh, or perhaps Glasgow where the Hogwarts Express would make stops.
Woohoo! Another video from Dean to make the day go faster and distract me from boring tasks.
I must admit that I've never heard of Platform 71/2 before, so that's a new one for me. However, I'm glad that Olton Hall has been preserved and can be seen by Harry Potter fans from around the world. Additionally, I think Olton Hall carries its film livery extremely well and John Williams' score for "The Philosopher's/ Sorceror's Stone) adds a real air of grace and majesty to its first onscreen appearance.
I saw this video years ago and that's the only way I knew about platform 7 1/2. Thanks for sharing.
What a great video
Great video, Dean!
I didn't know about platform 7 1/2
I’m so glad you used that butter beer phrase again!
Very interesting video!
Congratulations on your child!
Hi. I had indeed read about platform 7 1/2 … This is cool, thanks for mentioning it back though, so - those of us that heard of it before - we have a confirmation regarding its existence. 👍🏼😉
I had no idea about platform 7 1/2
I did not know about platform 7.05 or 7 and a half.
Very good and interesting video Dean. Thank you for teaching me, about platform 7.5, I didn't know that. I guess in all the 860 years, since the foundation of the school, apparition masters brought the students to the school, which probably made the journey longer & more dangerous. Or with a port key, but then if you miss the port key, you are screwed.
No mention about the lady with the trolley? Why?
Fun fact: My godfathers dad drove the Hogwarts Express in the films
Damn 😲
I only knew about Platform 7 1/2 by MovieFlame's vid. I posted there that maybe in other parts of the wizarding world still used old faction vehicles like blimps.
Thanks again Dean, l had clue about platform 7 & 1/2 !
If the Hogwarts express is 170 years old, why is every depiction, including the movies, of a steam locomotive from the 1930s (only about 85 years old)?
Not wvwry depiction is of that tho. For wxample the jim kay illustrated books look different.
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Had no idea about Platform 7 1/2!!! That’s sooo cool!!
Without this video, I wouldn’t know platform 7 1/2 exist.
I always wondered. If magic can be used to make a 19th century locomotive run without the need of maintaince and fuel, and turn motor vehicles into flying contraptions, then imagine what the Wizarding World can do with space shuttles. Just imagine if Arthur Weasley stole one of Elon Musk's SpaceX shuttles and enchanted it with magic and went exploring outer space. That thing won't have to run on fuel and the passengers on board could just magic if they find themselves in trouble.
Plus they can also possibly move the entire thing to other planets, and terraform the location?
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Awesome vid :D & def didn't know about 7 1/2 :D
7 1/2???? Never heard of it till now.
I didn’t know of Platform 7 1/2 until you mentioned it, that is cool.
With the success of two channels have you ever thought about creating another one? I know I’ll subscribe!!
I want to work on the Hogwarts Express imagine only working 6 times a year
I did not know about the platform for adults. Thank you for the video love your content
Nice vide and a good idea to use a real train to gave that scene 0:25 a more realistic feeling😉
I wonder what Gordon thought when he saw the Hogwarts Express.
PAHHHHH(!) Who cares? A lot of fuss about nothing, if you ask me.
Fun trivia: thanks to Olton Hall got one of its siblings, Dumbleton Hall, work as a static display in Japan as the Hogwarts Express.
Wonder if the 7 1/2 train is featured in Fantastic Beasts 3?
Where is the Hogwarts express stored at when not in use?
You *did* mention Platform 7-1/2 in a previous video: the one about the snack-cart lady on the Express (she works THAT train, too, you said).
7 1/2 had no idea; but I’m not surprised convenient for people who can’t aparate! I bet it’s nice 😊
Platform 7 1/2? Never heard of it. However, I'm a great fan of railways and videos about them, as well as a fan of HP. I LOVED this video!
1830? The Minister was very fashion forward, to see the picture you used! I did not know about Platform 7 1/2. This is news.
I knew about it thanks to SCB video last year about the arrivals of new comers, upper class men, n last year arrivals n they explained 7 1/2 too. Nice video tho.
How did you know about the platform 7 1/2? I didn’t know that that existed can you do a video on that please?
I've always wondered something. Kingscross is in London which is in southern England, while hogwarts is in southern Scotland. So do student's that live near or north of hogwarts have to go to London to get to school?
Yes, because they need to go to Diagon Alley to get school supplies
I have heard of platform 7 1/2 in another video I watched but it didn't say much. Could you do a short video about it?
Where can I watch the Riddle Animated Story episodes?! I'd love to see them, but can't quite figure out where to. 💕 love your videos
Its incredible how the olton hall was sent to barry brothers scrapyard and was saved in the nick of time.
I'm surprised that some wizards didn't work at King cross as that would a good way to keep an eye on the platform
Very magical. *Choo-choo!*
ME! Mainly because I also watch SCB videos! I believe they mentioned it in one of their vids OR else I read it on the old Pottermore website somewhere before they changed it to "The Wizarding Word"! 😎
I would love to know about the orient express and platform 7 1/2
Where did we learn about 7 1/2 ? I have tried to see the move and read the books.. but I do not find.
I didn't knew there were other train platforms.
Anyway, it was an interesting video. :)
Bloody hell,I missed the notification for,The Hogwarts Express. I must have a Nargel,or something 🤔.
You forgot to mention how long does the trip in the Hogwarts Express take...
I knew about platform 7 1/2 because it was in the back of one of the books
I’ve never heard about Platform 7 1/2, but I would like to learn more about it. 😊
I had no clue until you said that and I was like hold up what I had no clue honestly I swear I had no idea there was a platform 7 and 1/2
I cannot help but headcanon that for non first years the train stops in the north of England (maybe York) and maybe Edinburgh because it’s so inconvenient for anyone who lives in the north to go down to London to get the train ngl 😂
I knew about Platform 7 1/2 but I always thought that it was used by the Hogwarts professors to travel to the school to get ready for the year. Thank you for the clarification.
Super carlin brothters had a video about the hogwarts express if im not mistaken but i knew about 7,5 and the orient express from another video
we need a movie about the hogwarts express. a comedy and somewhere in between robert dawney jr's sherlock holmes.
never heard of 7½ before where did you find this info????
Hey Harry Potter folklore can you please do one about the Ford Anglia because Harry's kind of wow about that too and if you couldn't tell I love that car so much
This was my first time hearing about 2nd platform.
Do students from across Ireland and Northern Britain have to travel all the way to London to catch the express back up to Scotland? What about a kid from Glasgow? York? Belfast? Please tell me a kid who lived in Hogsmead could just walk to the school when term started.
I’m actually curious if you’re starting your channel Vampire Folklore anytime soon…
I’m still rereading the Harry Potter series and am on the half blood Prince and have yet to read mention of the orient or platform 7 1/2. That really aught to be expanded upon better, and have its own merchandise as well as the Hogwarts express.
What about a history of the Knight bus?
You said that it does 3 round trips, but stated 4 times of the year that it’s used. Who works on the train? Conductor, trolley witch, who else? They can’t have all of those kids with no adult supervision.
Are there special exceptions for students that live close to Hogwarts or would pass it to get to kings cross? Because that would be a bit of a hassle, like if your family is in hogsmead couldnt you just walk to school or fly on a broomstick?
Or the bus?
They would most likely hyst have to travel to Hogsmeade and Hosmeade station.
Platform 7 1/2 was completely new to me
Can you explain Platform 7 1/2.