When I took astronomy in high school, my teacher would classify the constellations by how many cups of wine the ancients must have drunk before the group of stars actually looked like the thing they were supposed to represent. IIRC Cancer was a five cupper.
@@chertfoot1500 that is why those ancient sky maps had a man painted there, in case you missed it. Personality since I read the Maya's saw Orion's Belt as three stones on the back of a turtle I see it as a turtle.
Nature will plan the eventual funeral, depending on Polaris’ birth and life. Pluto still lives and evolves. It just does it on a smaller scale than we led ourselves to expect size-wise. Think of it as a kind of dwarf or elf but, otherwise, like other planets in its continuing existence.
@@roycarlson0517 no dont cry astrology is so much more, go calculate your navamsa chart online, truly that is the fruit of your tree (zodiac) never say you are One thing, astrology is so much more ❤️🔆🤗 godnight yall
Neil might not know this, but the ancient Celts had a Lunar Zodiac which was divided into THIRTEEN sections and each section had a specific tree or important plant associated with it as follows: Birch, BETH, 24/12-20/01 Rowan, LUIS, 21/01-17/02 Ash, NION, 18/02-17/03 Alder, FEARN, 18/03-14/04 Willow, SAILLE, 15/04-12/05 Hawthorn, UATH, 13/05--09/06 Oak, DUIR, 10/06-07/07 Holly, TINNE, 08/07-04/08 Hazel, COLL, 05/08-01/09 Vine, MUIN, 02/09-29/09 Ivy, GORT, 30/09-27/10 Reed, NGETAL, 28/10-24/11 Elder, RUIS, 25/11-23/12 Each section also had its own archetypal character/god and symbol. I hope you found this interesting.
That knowledge is very ancient, same as mine in BIAFRA we have thirteen months and there are plants to know this changes without looking at the sky daily
@Matthew Young The information you received is false and actually doesn't debunk anything. The arrogance of you people is through the roof I hope whoever you try and reach knows exactly what I do and shows you why it's never a good idea to repeat information that you know nothing of.
"yes, it tells me you participate in the mass cultural delusion that the sun's apparent position relative to arbitrarily defined constellations and the time of your birth somehow affects your personality." - Sheldon Cooper, 2007
It's not about the sun. (In fact, the sun is arguably the least relevant factor in a natal chart.) Anyone who tells you it is has no idea what they're talking about.
I'll just throw it out there that Zodiacs do have validity, within the bounds of social psychology, and self fulfilling prophecy. The stars don't make a person a Leo, society does.
true but i wouldn’t call that as validity, we can see how our made up culture and beliefs have forced us to not take responsibility for our actions and instead shift the blame on cosmic beings or stars in the sky. validity isn’t the right word, but do we see the consequences of peoples delusions and therefore creating false theories of life and it’s meanings? yes all the time, it’s why the world is stuck in its current funk and not able to actually progress forward because people are scared or not knowing that something is in control, when that’s the answer, it’s all chaos. people just don’t like that thought
@@josephstater200 As far as the stars making a person a Leo, there is no validity. As far as Leos becoming such through social pressures, there is validity in that. It's basic social psychology, and only involves the stars as far as people say they do.
@@josephstater200 Our “culture and beliefs” happen to be directly related to a whole chain of events starting with the very beginning of everything. They’re not just “made up” by a few people that decide. We happen to live in a time that places materialism above all else, and that stems from collective trauma. You do realize that people can use any means to avoid looking honestly at themselves? Astrology may be one of those many, but it’s also something that actually can help people take responsibility for their lives. Our current situation is way more complicated than what you perceive to be other people’s delusions. Everyone is afraid of the very same thing when it comes down to it, and a compassionate and curious approach is always more conducive to the “progress” you seek, rather than placing yourself above those who you consider to be less intelligent or aware. You know what happens with that approach, right? Astrology has lasted as long as it has precisely due its validity, and it grows and evolves just as we do. People can always misuse it and misunderstand it like they do anything else.
Astrology belongs to the occult which is a belief system and not science. If you believe in magic you might make something out of astrology in that respect.
I’ve been using this explanation for years when people try to talk to me about astrology. I’m like, you don’t even know your own Sign and you’re trying to tell me about how accurate your charts are? Please 🙄
Vedic astrology accounts for the precession and is SUPPOSE to have your accurate chart. So yes Aries are Pisces, Leo’s are cancers, Capricorn’s are Sagittarius, etc.
Just a follow on....i was on a panel for a discussion of Astrology vs science 30 years ago. I represented Science and another person who believed in astrology, and actually was well known in the astrology circle as he did the astrology signs for folks. He responded to my point that the constellations from 2000 years ago are not in the same position today. He said that is correct, but modern Astrologists does the precession conversion to account for precession. So whether you believe in Astrology not, at least your astrology reading if done by their "professionals" has the stars and planets in the correct location.
Man I can’t believe the star talks I was searching about zodiac sign hour before, then hour later Neil explain about this what a great moment ❤️❤️❤️ this why I’m here!!
If you were searching for "your zodiac sign", you aren't practicing astrology, you're taking part in a massive pop-culture delusion that bears no resemblance to actual astrology.
Sidereal astrology takes precession into account with ayanamsas. There's a lot more to astrology than tropical and sun sign astrology, which is all that most people are aware of.
Dear Dr. Tyson and Chuck I really enjoy your videos and very often I have learned things. The other night as I returned from walking the dog I told my wife that the collar untreated from the buckle. My wife was convinced it was something I done. I tried to convince her otherwise. Finally she said "that doesn't make sense to me." I hit her with "dog collars are not obligated to make sense to you." That ended the discussion.
This reminds me of a brilliant episode of the Orville where an entire civilisation was run based on assumed attributes linked to zodiac constellations.
Thanks for the video. I was actually going to ask you to address the wobble and pole star issue after watching the previous video on the north star. It felt incomplete without addressing the shift. I grew up a true and total science nerd with aspirations that i didnt follow through on. Your videos are great at reminding me/refreshing my ever graying matter of things i have forgotten and learning me on things i never totally grasped or knew. Ευχαριστώ πολύ
I also wish I'd followed through on science and math. I'm currently teaching myself pre-calc and trig-not sure why but I'm enjoying it so much more than when I was in high school. I taught myself to read Greek (phonetically only) and learned some phrases, so it was fun to see your words there. I forgot about "poli"! Does that mean "very" or "very much"?
That was wild! I stopped believing in the Zodiac a long time ago (although I did, to some extent, when I was young) but hearing this makes believing in it hilarious. 🤣 I know people who live by it.. It's actually not funny when I think about it, especially because it makes you make decisions based on it...
Stopped believing in the zodiac? 😂 the zodiac is real, astrology is not. There are three zodiacs. Tropical (that astrology in the west uses), Sidereal (that Indian astrology uses, and accounts for precessional slippage), and the Galactic zodiac (the one that NASA uses)
@@whatabouttheearth Hmm, didn't know that. I thought the zodiac was an invention of astrology. What would the zodiacal signs be if not precisely what astrology makes them out to be. Also the other zodiacs you mentioned, aren't they the same thing but by dufferent cultures? In any way, I'd have to read a bit more. ✌
@@whatabouttheearth Yep. "Zodiac is an element of astrology." It may be a mapping of the sky, which by itself is an actual thing, but as Neil said the constellations move, so the predictions based on that map are nonsense. Zodiac, horoscopes, etc. are based on the same principle.
@@dzzzzzt What? Western astrology, aka the tropical hellinistic does not actually use constellations!!!!! The signs are named after the constellations but they're not the same thing, they are seasonal markers. Ptolemy and the majority of western astrology froze and reset the zodiac locking it into place to account for and offset the need to account for precessional slippage.
@@whatabouttheearth Hmmm. So you are saying that what NDT said was wrong? I knew astrology/horoscope/zodiac from a friend and from ... well, using it, reading, even believing, but I'm not knowledgable about its origins, logic, etc. So I cannot go in further than that. For now I'm willing to believe him and maybe some day I'll read more just to understand it better.
@@mavfan1 there are two Astrology Systems one is fixed and the other constantly changes they both describe Space and Time and this is the essence of Science...
I recently learned about the Sidereal zodiac, and I think it accounts for the shift of the earth and the way the constellations have shifted since the zodiac signs were created. I don't know much about it though, so idk how it differs from what's mentioned here.
@7:02 this explaner would be more helpful if it also explained the difference between the sidereal year - the basis for the zodiac, and the tropical year - represented by the Georgian calendar which was adopted so that christians could celebrate Easter in the same month and also have their holiday match up with the equinox. So, 440 years ago 'we' adopted the Gregorian calendar and we added some 10 days to account for the previous 1257 years of shift since the first council of Nicaea, when Easter was codified for Christianity. Because our switch to match our calendar with the tropical year was back dated to the year 325 we essentially started to count our years in tropical years 1697 years ago. We're currently off from the Julian calendar by about 13 days. You nailed it again, Dr Tyson. Hopefully this adds to it in order to help your viewers understand why there is a drift in the first place. Without the shift and adjustments by the adoption of the Gregorian calendar we might still be on the Julian calendar and would plant our gardens about 13 days earlier than we do, according to the calendar. You might think that a half a month is no big deal. My dad tried to convince his mom that she didn't need to follow the schedule in the Farmer's Almanac so rigidly and to prove his point he shifted his planting by about a half a month. She had an excellent yield and he had all but a crop failure. He learned. Our choice was to either have our calendar match up with the position of the stars with respect to the sun or to have it match with the seasons we experience. We chose to have a religious holiday match up with the equinox, and ended up with a calendar that stays consistent to our sessions.
He means if you think you're a Libra you could be a Virgo. The signs move 'back' approx a sign, not forward. But he's correct in that the western signs are fixed to the seasons not the stars.
Looked for this comment 🤓because I checked my birthday at online "The Sun Position Calculator" and the Sun moved in the previous constellation, not the next
Wait... this is news to people? I read a book 20 years ago that literally explained the shift of the night sky and that it's different locations of the zodiac constellations by about a full zodiac sign. I believe it was Sun Signs, by Linda Goodman... good book. Honest. And had some Astronomy accuracy in it as well. Cool.
That was my first book on Astrology. It was created by her and her husband. Lots of great information that, if read by these "debunkers" and "debunker believers", they might not shoot of their uneducated mouths so quickly.
Finally someone says it. I found this while looking in Stellarium a few years ago, that the stars aren't aligned where astrology states that they are. Two thousand years ago they indeed were, but now they're not. Basically the signs have shifted, but astrology didn't keep up. There's another thing though: what you see in the sky, isn't what's actually there. E.g., when you see Jupiter, what you're seeing is the light that's arriving here 45 minutes after it left there, so Jupiter's position is actually 45 minutes ahead of where you're seeing it. I doubt astrologers even know about this, let alone account for it in their readings. And -- I'm not too sure about this, but -- I suspect that when you apply that to all the planets to figure out their real positions, the differences in distances will result in a different alignment from what the astrologer is counting on. As in, if we see the planets in a straight line, their real positions won't make a straight line, making astrologers wrong even more.
I think the stars positions are so far away that their movement in the galaxy along with our own movement might be insignificant as far as astrology goes. Neil? Care to jump in?
Where the planets actually were when you were born is different from where they would have appeared to be looking at them from Earth. Astrology takes into account where they actually "were", not where you would have seen them. Just like an ephemeris that plots the position of the moon tells you where the moon was at a certain time, not where it appeared to be looking at it from Earth. I hope that makes sense.
As with the planets, the constellations were named after pieces of Greek mythology, and the Greeks needed to be a bit creative with their identifications. The stars and constellations helped many sailors navigate through unfamiliar waters long before radar was conceived. Other cultures also had their own conventions for naming the stars and constellations such as Vega (zhinü) the “weaver girl” prevalent in the Chinese Qixi myth
I’ve heard of this but I thought it was a result of the calendar shift like the Julian vs Gregorian calendars. They are now fourteen days apart but in another thousand years it will be one month off thus putting the sun in a different constellation in that month. I didn’t know wobble had anything to do it 🤔
One thing that i really enjoyed as a teenager, was that i always had the best view of Orion and Sirius (brightest star). Absolutely the best view, as it rose above a local mountain. Imagine that back at that time, Stargate the movie was out... :D
I’m not defending astrology as a accurate predictive methodology. I do, however, want to point out that astrologers have been aware of zodiacal precession for a very long time. This is the difference between the sidereal and tropical zodiacs. So, in that sense, this isn’t something new to astrologers.
It is the reason zodiacs on eastern culture are actually Moon signs, rather than the sun signs. The precession was known millennias ago!! And the correct astrology was built over it.
@@puneet2487 There is zero evidence that any of it is correct. It blows my mind that people still believe in astrology. It's even more ridiculous than believing in a flat earth.
I love his analogy and thoughts and logic and smart and conversation of everything Neil deGrasse is my hero thank you for teaching and enlighten me in life sir
I love Dr. Tyson. He could explain scientific things so well. Easy to understand. What if the earth was perfect sphere before and got hit as a result lost its perfect shape and the time it takes to go around the sun has changed because of the impact? So every 26 thousand years the brightest star changes? That’s one of the coolest things I’ve heard about the North Star! I love you Dr. Tyson!
No, every 26.000 years the whole cicle is completed. It started with Vega around 12.000 B.C. as the North Star. -Around 4500 B.C. Thuban was the North Star. - Around 1000 B.C. Polaris became the North Star. - Around 4500 A.D. Cephei becomes the new North Star - And Around 14.000 A.D. Vega is the North Star again and the circle starts over. During these 26.000 years we have different stars in the Northern Sky. It is an optical illusion that we have the same North Star that shines forever in the North.
First, Earth never was a perfect sphere. Nothing natural is perfect, and even nothing man-made is perfect, but our stuff usually gets much closer to perfection than natural one. Second, the Earth did get hit (probably), and that's how we got Moon. Third, how does the Earth orbiting around Sun matters here? Eath makes a more or less full ellipse in roughly 1 year, 26k years takes to rotate its tilted axle 1 full circle. Those two numbers are basically unrelated, as far as I understand. Fourth, Earth's shape too has pretty much nothing to do with orbiting around the Sun. Tidal forses do create some distortion, but they didn't appear suddenly, there wasn't any perfect shape before. Fifth, the britest non-Sun star in the sky is not Polaris (ahaha, just like ATV brand). Pilaris just happens to be near the center of stars's apparent rotation in the sky.
Indian brahmin here. Vedic or not, astrology is not true. I wish more people in my country pick up science. Because astrology is not just a harmless thing here. Your zodiac sign (and other terms in Rashi system) is a factor of marriage in many traditional families. This often invokes scrutiny, prohibition to marriage, or settling for some partner only because your sign matches theirs. This is a very backward system that has become a tool of oppression arisen from something that actually used to be about science. The Indian brahmins were the first pioneers of mathematics. All our ideas were carried to Europe through the Arabs. That being said, I have no attachment nor belief to my caste or in my religion. I just used it assert that despite growing in a religious environment, reading all the holy books, praying, it's possible to learn reasoning at the end of the day.
Here's the the. Tyson might be correct. And even I defended his assertion having invested the time into studying the ancient arts. I'm not a physicist. Without such spiritual knowledge and only relying on science, life gets bland if you're not a physicist. Continuing such spiritual study and practice : If it's not real, it won't hurt anybody and we all waste our time. If it is real, and Darth Vader isn't your diety, perhaps we can help humanity. I don't know about everyone else, but I prefer a more colorful life than a bland ones and zeros.
So apparently I’m freaking tf out!! I found out that my zodiac sign really changed! I googled it and my old to new sign is Cancer ♋️ (old) too Gemini ♊️ (new) this makes so much sense!! I haven’t felt the same at all!! My emotions and shyness have completely changed. And I notice I love to joke waaay more and act like a child in heart!! My home use to be my #1 comfort, now it isn’t anymore, I wanna be with people and places all the time! Oh my god oh my god!!!!
Vedic Astrology or Jyotish (sidereal) has always maintained that Western/ Tropical Astrology is off by a whole sign (approx 30 degrees). Jyotish considers 27 Nakshatras or Fixed stars. Btw, Chuck would have his Sun in Gemini as per jyotish calculations.
If you consider this one scientific aspect for your astrology, then why is planet retrograde considered in the astrology if it is just simply an illusion and it is not really the planet moving backwards . ?
@@Affluence89, astrology has been reduced to mediocrity by and large and the way one interprets the phenomenon is paramount. I prefer addressing it as Jyotish (the study of light) because it seems to be the best description of the subject. Retrogrades are not to be interpreted as a stand alone phenomenon, rather depending upon its placement it denotes an aspect that requires retrospection and internal reflection. Jyotish also calculates nodes, Rahu and ketu which are non physical points in space that cause eclipses. Why are non physical objects included? Well, I can’t really answer that since I didn’t invent the subject but I believe it might have been because of observational cause and effect. The Vedas specifically say ‘Sarvam khalvidam brahma. Everything is a result of imagination”. “Brahma satyam, Jagam mithya. Imagination is real, Reality is an illusion”. Everything is an interpretation of something and it is up to the interpreter to choose what focus on to convey their perspective. Astrology is after all perspective.
I wish this video had been around 5 years ago when I was trying to explain this to my dad. He kept insisting that the earth wobbled back and forth every year and that’s what caused the seasons to change. I argued with him about it for at least 30 minutes and even drew up diagrams to show him why the seasons changed and told him that the earth’s wobble wasn’t enough to make the seasons change but he still didn’t believe me because he thought he knew better. Maybe he would have believed Neil.
Guys I really love this channel and I have learned so much from NDT and CHUCK. my only problem now is that I am looking at our schools teaching our kids all the wrong facts about many subjects Neil discussed on this channel. I think Principals, teachers, school board systems should be watching that channel and make appropriate changes to what our kids are learning. I honestly thought the North Star was the brightest of them all and learned from Neil that this thing is barely the 40th brightest star up there.
Actually some years ago some branches of Astrology tried to update their constellations chart and added Ophiuchus and moved the dates to match the current sky, but nobody followed them so they shrugged it off and went back to the old system.
Additionally, though I've no time for zodiac sign being a personality; I have always wondered if the time you were born effects a person. For example, a child born in the dark/cold of fall/winter and not going outside much for that time, socializing*... Versus a child born in spring that will take in the sights and sounds until winter occurs again.... Hmm
Okay, but I think you guys missed the mark just a bit, because when finding out your zodiac, you usually go to some website or book or whatever that tells you what the zodiac position was at the time of your birth. Of course it’ll move over time but that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t where it was at that point in time.
@@scotth5114 the Mayan calendar ended in the Age of Aquarius how did they know that a constellation change would take place. It takes over twenty five thousand years to complete a cycle. Something to think about...
@@steve-o6413 Well, from what I have been reading about the calendar, the cycle was supposed to end 2012(thus all the doomsday talk). Also that cycle is kinda like how we use 'centuries' to indicate a passage of time. And I see it just like how we might get a new calendar each year (end of the calendar) they were doing the same with theirs, it just had different stopping points.
@@steve-o6413 Yup, I sure did miss that point. You went from saying they figured things out with observation, to they "experienced" it. I never would have guessed that the mayan civilization was around 25,000 years ago. You need to bring your data that demonstrates this forward to archaeologists and earn a noble prize.
I’ve been thinking about this since I watched this earlier. The logic of this helps me in my line of work in the tech business. I would enjoy seeing a scaled model of the earth rotating on its axis, in this precession that I didn’t know about. In the diameter of this precession, how much space is this covering? Is the sun in its’ own precession? I guess I could look it up, but ultimately, I’d love to see a scale model of this.
I love the idea. And the scale model should be sped up by a couple of thousand times so we could have a visible change in relation to the position of the stars. But i think some observatory might already have that in a fancy way. Scale model is still cooler i think.
I’m a Libra so I already new what my “real” sun sign is. Unfortunately Neil misspoke, he went the wrong way. Instead of going forward into Scorpius, he should have gone backward (precessed) into Virgo. My birthday is October 15th and the sun was right next to Spica on that day.
@@brandonhill4197 Virgo is a long constellation so the sun was definitely still “in” it. The uneven sizes of the constellations is the reason astrologers gave up on them and carved the sky into imaginary signs that perfectly divided the sky into 12 equal parts . They just made it up because that made their sky charts more symmetrical and nice looking. Since their predictions are made up too, the use of signs made no difference and was easier to manage than trying to keep track of the actual sky.
Don't you mean "If you thought you were Libra, you would actually be Virgo now (not Scorpio as you said) ? And your friend who is called a cancer would actually be a Gemini?
I suspect that also means that via precession, the seasons will flip flop over the 26000 year cycle. For example, in the northern hemisphere, it changing from hot to clld (fall), but in 13000 years this time frame would be turning from cold to hot (spring).
Not to mention obliquity and Eleccentrcity that make up the milankovitch cycles. Together these cycles actually are a big reason why Earth’s climate goes through glacial-interglacial cycles during an overall ice age. Although the milankovitch forcings alone aren’t enough to cause earth to transition from glacial to interglacial or vise versia so it’s amplified by changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas. Thought that was pretty interesting as well. Because of this also because obilquity making the tilt more extreme (typically going from around 22 degrees to 24 degrees every 40ish thousand years) in the near future, northern hemisphere summers could become far hotter and winters far colder due to a more extreme precession and obliquity phase.
Fun fact, if like me you're a Libra, the scales haven't always been a part of the zodiac, and depending on when and where you were when it was widely used, your constellation could be absorbed by either Virgo or Scorpio entirely
Which probably explains Libra's special status as the only Zodiac sign that's an inanimate object. All the others are, like, animals or people. But, yeah, being a later addition, that's why it doesn't quite match up with the others.
The "scales" of Libra are also the claws of the Scorpion. I believe the shift since the "signs" were conceived is roughly 14 degrees, so about half of the average 30 degrees allotted for each sign. Anyone who is in the latter half of their sign is probably now in the next sign, (such as he stated), a post Oct 8/9 Libra would now be more accurately a Scorpio, so it's a quick way to ballpark figure out your present day location, (astrologically).
@@TweetsIsBoss Happy belated birthday Rebekah, - Oct. 8, that would put you on the front cusp of Scorpio, just past Libra. (maybe, - I'm ballparking here) Because the actual span of elliptic that Scorpio occupies is only around 7 degrees, (out of the 30 degrees each sign is allotted, to make them all seem equal) My b-day would probably land me in Sagittarius (Oct.22), [although, under the system in use now, I'm on the Libra/Scorpio cusp].
I never believed in the daily astrology bonkers and vague descriptions of pretty much everyone, but there are some seemingly good books that tidily organized personalites per signs so I thought I fit. It's freeing to know that I don't have to fit in a box.
Precession of the Equinoxes is not a new thing to astrologers. In western astrology, Aries begins at vernal equinox, regardless of where the sun is on the zodiac band of constellations due to said precession. In other words, if a baby is born on the day of vernal equinox, then his sun is in the sign of Aries, even if the sun is in the constellation of Pisces.
I’m an Ophiuchus, was a Sagittarius, and according to sidereal I’m a Scorpio, I decided that I embody all three zodiacs, now I just need to make a good depiction of a chimera to represent them combined.
I've never really embarked on figuring out how exactly astrology correlated with ACTUAL astronomy. What he's saying though makes me think of the Chinese Zodiac. I'm ALSO a Cancer -- some might say Gemini/Cancer. I knew about the prescience concept. I'm just astounded that so many thousands of years ago civilizations could conceive a rotation that takes some 2600 years to complete. I CAN imagine with TODAY"S science, math and technology!!
So they based their zodiac on what would be 2500 years in the future? LOL It amazes me how people will lie to themselves to justify the nonsense they believe in.
@@davidlondon9242 by „current zodiac“ i meant the actual zodiac- the signs, the symbols, the houses. Learn to read properly before you come at people, goof.
@@tritone11 that's a point so obvious that it doesn't need to be made. That's like saying the amazing thing about Roman numerals is that our roman numeral are the same as the ones from back then. The goof is always in your reflection.
Any entry level astrologer can tell you about the precession of the equinoxes and the fact that the signs no longer line up. What you're describing is the debate between traditional vs sidereal astrology. It's a little condescending to take a tone like you're going to set all those silly astrology people straight, when you're not telling them anything they don't already know.
Astrology actually isn't about the stars. It's about interacting cycles that were originally tracked by the stars because clocks weren't invented yet, and everything in the sky has moved over the thousands of years since astrology began (or rather, our view has moved.) So no, your sign isn't wrong, no more than the time you're supposed to be at work is wrong if your watch is inaccurate.
It was only about 4-5 years ago when I first heard that all the zodiac signs were no longer in the position they were in when astrologists first came up with their goofy system, I just wish more people were aware of this so they could know just how silly this system really is, and that, 'no you're not that sign you thought you were all your life'. 😄
The crazy thing is, according to Neil and he's just being kind. There really was no static starting point. If it's wrong today, it was wrong then as well.
Where constellation are or were is not relevant to Astrology. Pointing them out is only a reference to help you understand you are creating an imaginary line, from you on Earth strait out towards the Sun, (even if it's through the Earth if you were born at night). That line is used as part of a series of lines to plot angles and positions. The constellations are just a loose guide to illustrate where in the sky you are looking. Constellations are too far away to have any influence on you according to Astrology. Nothing to debunk here. Astrology does not rely on the location or position of any stars except for our Sun.
I was dog sitting for my sister at her house the other day and looked on her RUclips playlist and there were about 55,000 things on astrology. Now All need to do is send her one RUclips video to really send her in a tizzy.
I haven’t read all of the comments to see if anyone else has said this yet… You can actually look up you full star chat based on the time, date and year that your were born (yay science!) We actually have access to that information, also it still doesn’t change my traditionally assigned “sun sign” as far as astrology is concerned 👍
The Earth tilts 23.5 degrees from "vertical" (23.5 degrees from perpendicular to the plane of the Earth's orbit around the Sun). So where the poles point in the sky varies 57 degrees from one precession extreme to the next, 13,000 years apart. This is a pretty radical tilt.
Dear mister Tyson, first of all I would like to say that thanks to you, me and so many other humans are smarter because you have helped us tremendously understand a lot of what's going on around us. Now, in this video you mentioned that, because of the 23.5 degree tilt of the earth, the circle created by that wobble is exactly 23.5 degrees in diameter . I kept thinking about it for a while and I think that the circle is actually 47 degrees because you go from one side of the tilt to the other one crossing through 0 degrees; is that right, or did I miss understood what you said?
North star is important because it never change its place in sky according to season its comes late at night nearly near morning and stay there late and it helps travelers to find direction
They do There are three zodiacs. Tropical (that astrology in the west uses), Sidereal (that Indian astrology uses, and accounts for precessional slippage), and the Galactic zodiac (the one that NASA uses) Ptolemy intentionally froze the SIGNS in helenistic astrology and reset Aries by 10° around the year 100 ad, proving that he knew about precessional slippage but that it was irrelevant to the hellenistic astrology system. Signs are named after constellations but they are not the same, and they're not supposed to be. Hellenistic tropical astrology uses planets but not really constellations, signs are more of a marker of seasonal times. Neil isn't quite getting it (and no I don't believe in astrology) Because the Babylonians in the Mul Apin chose constellations as SIGNS of seasonal markers everyone is confused now. Signs are not constellations they're just name after them in their old position when the Babylonians made the Mul Apin Cancer and Capricorn have liminal symbolism, they're both half water/half land creatures
@@whatabouttheearth Cancer has numerology in mathematics, but they all do to a certain extent. 69 turned sideways is the sign of Cancer or rotated in a 360° Circle this could be Tesla's 3 6 9 Theory describing the Atom or Universe. If 9/0 is both nothing or infinity in a base 10 System, 1 2 4 8 7 5 keep repeating, perhaps points of electrons around a Atom or as I like to think of it, pecks and valleys of waves. It describes the vector of this pattern in Mathematical Equations...
@@steve-o6413 It means nothing other than the historical symbolism, it's not connected to Tesla. Cancer was originally MUL AL.LUL - 𒀯𒀠𒈜 and the meaning was a Crawfish (crawdaddy). The symbol was a crab, not the 69 glyph later used in hellenistic astrology, many of those are abbreviation symbols. Probably reffering to Cancer being mid point of the year at Summer Solstice then. These people didn't know what a freaking atom was. They didn't know too much
Fun fact: Astrology actually takes the tilt of the earth into account. The difference between tropical western astrology and vedic astrology is about 23.5 degrees.
Vedic astrology uses stars as their point of view and it changes each year , tropical astrology is fixed cause it uses the earth as the center and itself divides the houses of the zodiac signs .
I came across a book in the library that contains different information from what you are saying. The information I read is that there are 5 stars in 5 constellations that are considered “ Pole Stars. The first one is in Camelopardis, ( this was during the time that Abraham sent his servant to a certain place to fetch a bride for his son, Isaac. When they returned, Ruth was riding on a Camel.); the second Pole Star was in Thuban ( which is located above a mountain region in South America and part of it is also located above Great Britain. This was during the time that people believed in and told stories about Dragons.) this is in the constellation Draco; the next Pole Star is Vega in the constellation Lyre ( the Harp) which is located above Sacramento, California; our present day Pole Star is Polaris located in the constellation Ursa Minor . Our next Pole Star is supposed to be in the constellation Opheucous ( has a few meanings: “ My Fathers House”, “ The House”, “ Wolf” or “ the Shepherd “) , it resembles a house . The Pole Star is supposed to be located as a cornerstone of the house. To me, it appears as though there is a missing mail box near it. The location above Earth was not given .
When I took astronomy in high school, my teacher would classify the constellations by how many cups of wine the ancients must have drunk before the group of stars actually looked like the thing they were supposed to represent. IIRC Cancer was a five cupper.
Triangulum being a tee totaller
@@jorgepeterbarton Orion too. You can't not see a man
I'm stealing that
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@@chertfoot1500 that is why those ancient sky maps had a man painted there, in case you missed it.
Personality since I read the Maya's saw Orion's Belt as three stones on the back of a turtle I see it as a turtle.
First he killed Pluto. Now he's gunning for Polaris. Neil: cosmic assassin.
He reflects the truth.
Neil Vader
No he’s butchering the zodiac believers
Nature will plan the eventual funeral, depending on Polaris’ birth and life. Pluto still lives and evolves. It just does it on a smaller scale than we led ourselves to expect size-wise. Think of it as a kind of dwarf or elf but, otherwise, like other planets in its continuing existence.
@@suzannebrown2505 "There is no spoon."
My wife is going to be upset about her Aries tattoo when I tell her she’s a modern day Pisces.
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Im pieces now?!😭😭😭
@@roycarlson0517 no dont cry astrology is so much more, go calculate your navamsa chart online, truly that is the fruit of your tree (zodiac) never say you are One thing, astrology is so much more ❤️🔆🤗 godnight yall
@@Kani_Modaressi Astrology is nothing more than a silly pseudoscience attempt at understanding human behavior.
@@bastmode882 oh okey 👌🏽
I like how Chuck makes Neil laugh , while Neil helps us understand that we NEVER, stop learning 😀
I've never believed in silly things like astrology. Probably because I'm an Aquarius.
That’s a good bit
"I don’t believe in astrology; I’m a Sagittarius and we’re skeptical." - Arthur C. Clarke
You mean you as Auarius 2000 or so years ago
me too lol hhahahaha but i didn't have any scientific explanation for my friend
and now hhahahah I will show no mercy on the
Me too! 🤣
This was such a minblown to me. Not the astronomy, I just can't stop thinking of Neil deGrasse Tyson listening Menudo.
It wouldn’t surprise me. He is Puerto Rican from his mother side. 😂😂😂 so I am pretty sure she might had some cassette of menudo 😂
Same here haha
Astrology not astronomy
@@keepgoing1973 he's talking about both...
@@beargillium2369 yeah.
I just got excited to get an argument about the difference.
"The North Star is a fraud!"
"Now, lemme say a few words about zodiacs..."
r/Constellations
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Neil might not know this, but the ancient Celts had a Lunar Zodiac which was divided into THIRTEEN sections and each section had a specific tree or important plant associated with it as follows:
Birch, BETH, 24/12-20/01
Rowan, LUIS, 21/01-17/02
Ash, NION, 18/02-17/03
Alder, FEARN, 18/03-14/04
Willow, SAILLE, 15/04-12/05
Hawthorn, UATH, 13/05--09/06
Oak, DUIR, 10/06-07/07
Holly, TINNE, 08/07-04/08
Hazel, COLL, 05/08-01/09
Vine, MUIN, 02/09-29/09
Ivy, GORT, 30/09-27/10
Reed, NGETAL, 28/10-24/11
Elder, RUIS, 25/11-23/12
Each section also had its own archetypal character/god and symbol.
I hope you found this interesting.
still out of date regardless
That knowledge is very ancient, same as mine in BIAFRA we have thirteen months and there are plants to know this changes without looking at the sky daily
Having a zodiac sign is not a personality, and Neil just gave me information ammo 🤣
Yessir dumb chicks gonna rethink life
It's amazing how far some people have to reach to find their personality... sometimes all the way to the stars.
"They'll pay to know what they REALLY believe in" - J.R. "Bob" Dobbs
@Matthew Young
The information you received is false and actually doesn't debunk anything. The arrogance of you people is through the roof I hope whoever you try and reach knows exactly what I do and shows you why it's never a good idea to repeat information that you know nothing of.
@@vssss9018 I'll bite.... how is the information wrong?
If every teacher made science this funny, we would all be scientists. Great lesson, teacher.
Fun + Knowledge = what else could we ask for!? Thank you so much !!
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"yes, it tells me you participate in the mass cultural delusion that the sun's apparent position relative to arbitrarily defined constellations and the time of your birth somehow affects your personality." - Sheldon Cooper, 2007
TBBT reference! YAY!!!
lets go brandon!!!
It's not about the sun. (In fact, the sun is arguably the least relevant factor in a natal chart.) Anyone who tells you it is has no idea what they're talking about.
@@SilverSentinel you missed the point
This.
Love this channel! Learn so much from NDT and Chuck is just pure brilliant.
Agreee! I love Chuck and neil 💖
He’s so interested in learning and having a real education session with NDT and I love it
you think this is a good one, you should check neil on the joe rogan podcast....that was really something!!!
NDT sounds like a drug
Lee: Agree!
I'll just throw it out there that Zodiacs do have validity, within the bounds of social psychology, and self fulfilling prophecy. The stars don't make a person a Leo, society does.
That's absolutely true. It's people's desire to avoid being responsible and adults, and shifting blame on their actions to the divine/cosmic.
true but i wouldn’t call that as validity, we can see how our made up culture and beliefs have forced us to not take responsibility for our actions and instead shift the blame on cosmic beings or stars in the sky. validity isn’t the right word, but do we see the consequences of peoples delusions and therefore creating false theories of life and it’s meanings? yes all the time, it’s why the world is stuck in its current funk and not able to actually progress forward because people are scared or not knowing that something is in control, when that’s the answer, it’s all chaos. people just don’t like that thought
@@josephstater200 As far as the stars making a person a Leo, there is no validity. As far as Leos becoming such through social pressures, there is validity in that. It's basic social psychology, and only involves the stars as far as people say they do.
@@josephstater200 Our “culture and beliefs” happen to be directly related to a whole chain of events starting with the very beginning of everything. They’re not just “made up” by a few people that decide. We happen to live in a time that places materialism above all else, and that stems from collective trauma. You do realize that people can use any means to avoid looking honestly at themselves? Astrology may be one of those many, but it’s also something that actually can help people take responsibility for their lives. Our current situation is way more complicated than what you perceive to be other people’s delusions. Everyone is afraid of the very same thing when it comes down to it, and a compassionate and curious approach is always more conducive to the “progress” you seek, rather than placing yourself above those who you consider to be less intelligent or aware. You know what happens with that approach, right? Astrology has lasted as long as it has precisely due its validity, and it grows and evolves just as we do. People can always misuse it and misunderstand it like they do anything else.
Astrology belongs to the occult which is a belief system and not science. If you believe in magic you might make something out of astrology in that respect.
Two of the most intelligent and articulate gents on RUclips.
Your math is off by one ☝️
@@lionman8523 agreed.
@@lionman8523 don't do my boy like that. he's learning
@@Redoer the fbi even got chuck's back 🤯🤯🤯
@@Redoer Um, I know this is a joke account, but you're subscribed to the most random same channels as me. The Kyogre channel. O.o
I’ve been using this explanation for years when people try to talk to me about astrology. I’m like, you don’t even know your own Sign and you’re trying to tell me about how accurate your charts are? Please 🙄
If someone asks me what my sign I ask them if they deduce what it is based on what they know about me.
With different calenders,its hard to be accurate.
Vedic astrology
My sign is STOP.
Well you can actually calculate which constellation the sun was in when you were born.
My sign is Do Not Disturb. And it's never wrong...
You gave me an idea for a t-shirt! 😀
@@MrLawskinner sounds like a astronomically great idea. As an Aries, I'm interested how your tee turns out. Let me know. Cheers!
I feel this.
Ok boomer
Still laughed tho
Vedic astrology accounts for the precession and is SUPPOSE to have your accurate chart. So yes Aries are Pisces, Leo’s are cancers, Capricorn’s are Sagittarius, etc.
Just a follow on....i was on a panel for a discussion of Astrology vs science 30 years ago. I represented Science and another person who believed in astrology, and actually was well known in the astrology circle as he did the astrology signs for folks. He responded to my point that the constellations from 2000 years ago are not in the same position today. He said that is correct, but modern Astrologists does the precession conversion to account for precession. So whether you believe in Astrology not, at least your astrology reading if done by their "professionals" has the stars and planets in the correct location.
Man I can’t believe the star talks
I was searching about zodiac sign hour before, then hour later Neil explain about this what a great moment ❤️❤️❤️ this why I’m here!!
RUclips?
RUclips?
If you were searching for "your zodiac sign", you aren't practicing astrology, you're taking part in a massive pop-culture delusion that bears no resemblance to actual astrology.
I wish Neil would explain the Q'non movement
Sidereal astrology takes precession into account with ayanamsas. There's a lot more to astrology than tropical and sun sign astrology, which is all that most people are aware of.
Shh they hate talking about sidereal. 😅 people are attached to their tropical signs in a unhealthy way.
Exactly
Do you think that allowing for procession somehow validates astrology or any kind?
I hope thats not what you're suggesting...
@@AussieNaturalist that is illogical.
@@singlesideman
I’m glad you agree, so what are you trying to say when you said that there’s more to astrology than most people are aware of... etc?
Dear Dr. Tyson and Chuck I really enjoy your videos and very often I have learned things. The other night as I returned from walking the dog I told my wife that the collar untreated from the buckle. My wife was convinced it was something I done. I tried to convince her otherwise. Finally she said "that doesn't make sense to me." I hit her with "dog collars are not obligated to make sense to you." That ended the discussion.
I only clicked to see if I was still a Gemini. Now I'm arguing with myself
This reminds me of a brilliant episode of the Orville where an entire civilisation was run based on assumed attributes linked to zodiac constellations.
I agree with you 100% I’ve studied this before. The night skies definitely change over thousands of years.
In the fashion of the stars in Hollywood someday we will be calling Polaris " The Star Formerly Known As The North Star".
Another star bites the dust due to cancel culture BWA!
Thanks for the video. I was actually going to ask you to address the wobble and pole star issue after watching the previous video on the north star. It felt incomplete without addressing the shift. I grew up a true and total science nerd with aspirations that i didnt follow through on. Your videos are great at reminding me/refreshing my ever graying matter of things i have forgotten and learning me on things i never totally grasped or knew. Ευχαριστώ πολύ
I also wish I'd followed through on science and math. I'm currently teaching myself pre-calc and trig-not sure why but I'm enjoying it so much more than when I was in high school. I taught myself to read Greek (phonetically only) and learned some phrases, so it was fun to see your words there. I forgot about "poli"! Does that mean "very" or "very much"?
This is what I seek in RUclips content. These guys are pure gold 🤗
Man I love what they do.. I wanna be another guest when Neil does his talks.
I wanna do what chuck does... I'd love to just talk to Neil.. forever
Foreva eva?
Latinamerican fans got your Menudo reference Chuck, and I'm in my thirties :D
I'm 24 and I still got it! XD
heck yeah, 32 here. I got that Chuck.
This was such a fun episode! Sometimes Chuck will stretch a joke a little too long but everything landed perfectly this time
That was wild! I stopped believing in the Zodiac a long time ago (although I did, to some extent, when I was young) but hearing this makes believing in it hilarious. 🤣 I know people who live by it.. It's actually not funny when I think about it, especially because it makes you make decisions based on it...
Stopped believing in the zodiac? 😂 the zodiac is real, astrology is not. There are three zodiacs. Tropical (that astrology in the west uses), Sidereal (that Indian astrology uses, and accounts for precessional slippage), and the Galactic zodiac (the one that NASA uses)
@@whatabouttheearth Hmm, didn't know that. I thought the zodiac was an invention of astrology. What would the zodiacal signs be if not precisely what astrology makes them out to be. Also the other zodiacs you mentioned, aren't they the same thing but by dufferent cultures? In any way, I'd have to read a bit more. ✌
@@whatabouttheearth Yep. "Zodiac is an element of astrology." It may be a mapping of the sky, which by itself is an actual thing, but as Neil said the constellations move, so the predictions based on that map are nonsense. Zodiac, horoscopes, etc. are based on the same principle.
@@dzzzzzt
What? Western astrology, aka the tropical hellinistic does not actually use constellations!!!!! The signs are named after the constellations but they're not the same thing, they are seasonal markers.
Ptolemy and the majority of western astrology froze and reset the zodiac locking it into place to account for and offset the need to account for precessional slippage.
@@whatabouttheearth Hmmm. So you are saying that what NDT said was wrong? I knew astrology/horoscope/zodiac from a friend and from ... well, using it, reading, even believing, but I'm not knowledgable about its origins, logic, etc. So I cannot go in further than that. For now I'm willing to believe him and maybe some day I'll read more just to understand it better.
damn this time ndt made the best joke lol "what were they smoking to see a crab and claws in 5 stars" lol
You guys should look at Vedic astrology. It’s based on the moon instead of the sun. Pretty interesting
And also complete nonsense.
@@mavfan1 there are two Astrology Systems one is fixed and the other constantly changes they both describe Space and Time and this is the essence of Science...
@@mavfan1 I didn’t say it was accurate, just interesting.
I recently learned about the Sidereal zodiac, and I think it accounts for the shift of the earth and the way the constellations have shifted since the zodiac signs were created. I don't know much about it though, so idk how it differs from what's mentioned here.
Now I think Chuck should go for exams he can be an astrophysicist too 😀. NDT always brings something new to the table. Thanks!
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@7:02 this explaner would be more helpful if it also explained the difference between the sidereal year - the basis for the zodiac, and the tropical year - represented by the Georgian calendar which was adopted so that christians could celebrate Easter in the same month and also have their holiday match up with the equinox. So, 440 years ago 'we' adopted the Gregorian calendar and we added some 10 days to account for the previous 1257 years of shift since the first council of Nicaea, when Easter was codified for Christianity. Because our switch to match our calendar with the tropical year was back dated to the year 325 we essentially started to count our years in tropical years 1697 years ago. We're currently off from the Julian calendar by about 13 days.
You nailed it again, Dr Tyson.
Hopefully this adds to it in order to help your viewers understand why there is a drift in the first place. Without the shift and adjustments by the adoption of the Gregorian calendar we might still be on the Julian calendar and would plant our gardens about 13 days earlier than we do, according to the calendar. You might think that a half a month is no big deal. My dad tried to convince his mom that she didn't need to follow the schedule in the Farmer's Almanac so rigidly and to prove his point he shifted his planting by about a half a month. She had an excellent yield and he had all but a crop failure. He learned.
Our choice was to either have our calendar match up with the position of the stars with respect to the sun or to have it match with the seasons we experience. We chose to have a religious holiday match up with the equinox, and ended up with a calendar that stays consistent to our sessions.
"I didn't know you were fluent in this" 😂😂😂😂
He means if you think you're a Libra you could be a Virgo. The signs move 'back' approx a sign, not forward. But he's correct in that the western signs are fixed to the seasons not the stars.
Looked for this comment 🤓because I checked my birthday at online "The Sun Position Calculator" and the Sun moved in the previous constellation, not the next
Wait... this is news to people? I read a book 20 years ago that literally explained the shift of the night sky and that it's different locations of the zodiac constellations by about a full zodiac sign. I believe it was Sun Signs, by Linda Goodman... good book. Honest. And had some Astronomy accuracy in it as well. Cool.
Yes Linda Goodman mentioned it
The problem is that ppl don't read anymore!🤷♂️
That was my first book on Astrology. It was created by her and her husband. Lots of great information that, if read by these "debunkers" and "debunker believers", they might not shoot of their uneducated mouths so quickly.
Thanks u for the name of book ❤️
Finally someone says it. I found this while looking in Stellarium a few years ago, that the stars aren't aligned where astrology states that they are. Two thousand years ago they indeed were, but now they're not. Basically the signs have shifted, but astrology didn't keep up.
There's another thing though: what you see in the sky, isn't what's actually there. E.g., when you see Jupiter, what you're seeing is the light that's arriving here 45 minutes after it left there, so Jupiter's position is actually 45 minutes ahead of where you're seeing it. I doubt astrologers even know about this, let alone account for it in their readings.
And -- I'm not too sure about this, but -- I suspect that when you apply that to all the planets to figure out their real positions, the differences in distances will result in a different alignment from what the astrologer is counting on. As in, if we see the planets in a straight line, their real positions won't make a straight line, making astrologers wrong even more.
Nah wrong try again tho
@@misterbaker477 WHAT?
I think the stars positions are so far away that their movement in the galaxy along with our own movement might be insignificant as far as astrology goes. Neil? Care to jump in?
Which is why you're probably a Capricorn, Virgo or a Scorpio...loll..nah jk...are you though ? loll
Where the planets actually were when you were born is different from where they would have appeared to be looking at them from Earth. Astrology takes into account where they actually "were", not where you would have seen them. Just like an ephemeris that plots the position of the moon tells you where the moon was at a certain time, not where it appeared to be looking at it from Earth. I hope that makes sense.
As with the planets, the constellations were named after pieces of Greek mythology, and the Greeks needed to be a bit creative with their identifications. The stars and constellations helped many sailors navigate through unfamiliar waters long before radar was conceived. Other cultures also had their own conventions for naming the stars and constellations such as Vega (zhinü) the “weaver girl” prevalent in the Chinese Qixi myth
‘What we’re you smoking to call that constellation a crab?!’ Couldn’t have laughed harder with this!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’ve heard of this but I thought it was a result of the calendar shift like the Julian vs Gregorian calendars. They are now fourteen days apart but in another thousand years it will be one month off thus putting the sun in a different constellation in that month. I didn’t know wobble had anything to do it 🤔
One thing that i really enjoyed as a teenager, was that i always had the best view of Orion and Sirius (brightest star). Absolutely the best view, as it rose above a local mountain. Imagine that back at that time, Stargate the movie was out... :D
I’m not defending astrology as a accurate predictive methodology. I do, however, want to point out that astrologers have been aware of zodiacal precession for a very long time. This is the difference between the sidereal and tropical zodiacs. So, in that sense, this isn’t something new to astrologers.
Thank you for pointing this out
"This is the Dawning of the Age of Ophiuchus" doesn't have the same ring.
😂😂😂😂
It is the reason zodiacs on eastern culture are actually Moon signs, rather than the sun signs.
The precession was known millennias ago!! And the correct astrology was built over it.
CORRECT ASTROLOGY 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MGA19a haha... Lol... Yeaaaah.... I can understand what u must be feeling... How can astrology be correct... But it is brother...!!
@@puneet2487 There is zero evidence that any of it is correct. It blows my mind that people still believe in astrology. It's even more ridiculous than believing in a flat earth.
What about Vedic astrology ? It takes precision into account
I love his analogy and thoughts and logic and smart and conversation of everything Neil deGrasse is my hero thank you for teaching and enlighten me in life sir
Fun fact: Polestar, the offshoot performance brand of Volvo Cars, is named after the pole star. It’s emblem is also that of the pole star
Signs, signs, everywhere a Sign, do this, don't do that, can't you read the Sign...
I love Dr. Tyson. He could explain scientific things so well. Easy to understand. What if the earth was perfect sphere before and got hit as a result lost its perfect shape and the time it takes to go around the sun has changed because of the impact? So every 26 thousand years the brightest star changes? That’s one of the coolest things I’ve heard about the North Star! I love you Dr. Tyson!
No, every 26.000 years the whole cicle is completed.
It started with Vega around 12.000 B.C. as the North Star.
-Around 4500 B.C. Thuban was the North Star.
- Around 1000 B.C. Polaris became the North Star.
- Around 4500 A.D. Cephei becomes the new North Star
- And Around 14.000 A.D. Vega is the North Star again and the circle starts over. During these 26.000 years we have different stars in the Northern Sky. It is an optical illusion that we have the same North Star that shines forever in the North.
First, Earth never was a perfect sphere. Nothing natural is perfect, and even nothing man-made is perfect, but our stuff usually gets much closer to perfection than natural one.
Second, the Earth did get hit (probably), and that's how we got Moon.
Third, how does the Earth orbiting around Sun matters here? Eath makes a more or less full ellipse in roughly 1 year, 26k years takes to rotate its tilted axle 1 full circle. Those two numbers are basically unrelated, as far as I understand.
Fourth, Earth's shape too has pretty much nothing to do with orbiting around the Sun. Tidal forses do create some distortion, but they didn't appear suddenly, there wasn't any perfect shape before.
Fifth, the britest non-Sun star in the sky is not Polaris (ahaha, just like ATV brand). Pilaris just happens to be near the center of stars's apparent rotation in the sky.
Vedic astrology takes everything he says into consideration with establishing a birth chart.
The birth chart will be entirely wrong if what he says establishes that the Ephermeris is wrong.
That's how I've heard it too, Gwen.
It can't take it into account. There was no stationary starting point.
If it's wrong today, it was wrong then as well.
Indian brahmin here. Vedic or not, astrology is not true.
I wish more people in my country pick up science.
Because astrology is not just a harmless thing here. Your zodiac sign (and other terms in Rashi system) is a factor of marriage in many traditional families. This often invokes scrutiny, prohibition to marriage, or settling for some partner only because your sign matches theirs.
This is a very backward system that has become a tool of oppression arisen from something that actually used to be about science.
The Indian brahmins were the first pioneers of mathematics. All our ideas were carried to Europe through the Arabs.
That being said, I have no attachment nor belief to my caste or in my religion. I just used it assert that despite growing in a religious environment, reading all the holy books, praying, it's possible to learn reasoning at the end of the day.
Here's the the. Tyson might be correct. And even I defended his assertion having invested the time into studying the ancient arts.
I'm not a physicist. Without such spiritual knowledge and only relying on science, life gets bland if you're not a physicist.
Continuing such spiritual study and practice : If it's not real, it won't hurt anybody and we all waste our time.
If it is real, and Darth Vader isn't your diety, perhaps we can help humanity.
I don't know about everyone else, but I prefer a more colorful life than a bland ones and zeros.
So apparently I’m freaking tf out!! I found out that my zodiac sign really changed! I googled it and my old to new sign is Cancer ♋️ (old) too Gemini ♊️ (new) this makes so much sense!! I haven’t felt the same at all!! My emotions and shyness have completely changed. And I notice I love to joke waaay more and act like a child in heart!! My home use to be my #1 comfort, now it isn’t anymore, I wanna be with people and places all the time! Oh my god oh my god!!!!
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Vedic Astrology or Jyotish (sidereal) has always maintained that Western/ Tropical Astrology is off by a whole sign (approx 30 degrees). Jyotish considers 27 Nakshatras or Fixed stars. Btw, Chuck would have his Sun in Gemini as per jyotish calculations.
Represent.
Bruh astrology is PSEUDOSCIENCE
If you consider this one scientific aspect for your astrology, then why is planet retrograde considered in the astrology if it is just simply an illusion and it is not really the planet moving backwards . ?
@@Affluence89, astrology has been reduced to mediocrity by and large and the way one interprets the phenomenon is paramount. I prefer addressing it as Jyotish (the study of light) because it seems to be the best description of the subject. Retrogrades are not to be interpreted as a stand alone phenomenon, rather depending upon its placement it denotes an aspect that requires retrospection and internal reflection. Jyotish also calculates nodes, Rahu and ketu which are non physical points in space that cause eclipses. Why are non physical objects included? Well, I can’t really answer that since I didn’t invent the subject but I believe it might have been because of observational cause and effect. The Vedas specifically say ‘Sarvam khalvidam brahma. Everything is a result of imagination”. “Brahma satyam, Jagam mithya. Imagination is real, Reality is an illusion”. Everything is an interpretation of something and it is up to the interpreter to choose what focus on to convey their perspective. Astrology is after all perspective.
11 astrologist disliked this video. But how did they not see this coming. 😂
I wish this video had been around 5 years ago when I was trying to explain this to my dad. He kept insisting that the earth wobbled back and forth every year and that’s what caused the seasons to change. I argued with him about it for at least 30 minutes and even drew up diagrams to show him why the seasons changed and told him that the earth’s wobble wasn’t enough to make the seasons change but he still didn’t believe me because he thought he knew better. Maybe he would have believed Neil.
Guys I really love this channel and I have learned so much from NDT and CHUCK. my only problem now is that I am looking at our schools teaching our kids all the wrong facts about many subjects Neil discussed on this channel. I think Principals, teachers, school board systems should be watching that channel and make appropriate changes to what our kids are learning. I honestly thought the North Star was the brightest of them all and learned from Neil that this thing is barely the 40th brightest star up there.
I always learn something new watching your show. Thank you Sir!
Actually some years ago some branches of Astrology tried to update their constellations chart and added Ophiuchus and moved the dates to match the current sky, but nobody followed them so they shrugged it off and went back to the old system.
I remember that.
Vedic astrology has always included precession
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Wouldn't the diameter of the circle traced by the Earth's axis in the sky be 47 degrees and not 23.5 degrees?
No
It is (Tan 23.5 * earth radius )
Because, Tan theta = opposite/adjacent
Additionally, though I've no time for zodiac sign being a personality; I have always wondered if the time you were born effects a person. For example, a child born in the dark/cold of fall/winter and not going outside much for that time, socializing*... Versus a child born in spring that will take in the sights and sounds until winter occurs again.... Hmm
I was born in the summer and I hate leaving the house.
The being born in a period is probably too short a period to affect you in any way that other periods of seasons wouldn't.
Okay, but I think you guys missed the mark just a bit, because when finding out your zodiac, you usually go to some website or book or whatever that tells you what the zodiac position was at the time of your birth. Of course it’ll move over time but that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t where it was at that point in time.
Unless you know any 2 thousand year old people.....Then no one born today has the same sign as the model that was presented in the past.
@@scotth5114 the Mayan calendar ended in the Age of Aquarius how did they know that a constellation change would take place. It takes over twenty five thousand years to complete a cycle.
Something to think about...
@@steve-o6413 Well, from what I have been reading about the calendar, the cycle was supposed to end 2012(thus all the doomsday talk). Also that cycle is kinda like how we use 'centuries' to indicate a passage of time. And I see it just like how we might get a new calendar each year (end of the calendar) they were doing the same with theirs, it just had different stopping points.
@@scotth5114 I guess you didn't my point about how did they know that these things took place 25,000 years ago if they didn't experience them...
@@steve-o6413 Yup, I sure did miss that point. You went from saying they figured things out with observation, to they "experienced" it. I never would have guessed that the mayan civilization was around 25,000 years ago. You need to bring your data that demonstrates this forward to archaeologists and earn a noble prize.
It’s a great time to be alive right now! Thank you gentlemen for all the enlightenment you share!
I’ve been thinking about this since I watched this earlier. The logic of this helps me in my line of work in the tech business. I would enjoy seeing a scaled model of the earth rotating on its axis, in this precession that I didn’t know about. In the diameter of this precession, how much space is this covering? Is the sun in its’ own precession? I guess I could look it up, but ultimately, I’d love to see a scale model of this.
I love the idea. And the scale model should be sped up by a couple of thousand times so we could have a visible change in relation to the position of the stars.
But i think some observatory might already have that in a fancy way. Scale model is still cooler i think.
I am under fifty and remember Menudo. Was a bigger fan of El DeBarge though.
same here
@@LHGII Me too, but to be fair I'm 44 years old.
@@luisaleman9512 I'm 43..
I’m a Libra so I already new what my “real” sun sign is. Unfortunately Neil misspoke, he went the wrong way. Instead of going forward into Scorpius, he should have gone backward (precessed) into Virgo. My birthday is October 15th and the sun was right next to Spica on that day.
Yeah, and that means absólutely nothing to your personality or whatever
So if my birthday is October 6th then what am I Virgo or Leo?
@@brandonhill4197 Virgo is a long constellation so the sun was definitely still “in” it. The uneven sizes of the constellations is the reason astrologers gave up on them and carved the sky into imaginary signs that perfectly divided the sky into 12 equal parts . They just made it up because that made their sky charts more symmetrical and nice looking. Since their predictions are made up too, the use of signs made no difference and was easier to manage than trying to keep track of the actual sky.
Looked for this comment 🤓because I checked my birthday in online "The Sun Position Calculator" and the Sun moved in previous constellation, not next
Don't you mean "If you thought you were Libra, you would actually be Virgo now (not Scorpio as you said) ? And your friend who is called a cancer would actually be a Gemini?
You might be Virgo, because Virgo takes up around 49⁰ of the sky on the ecliptic.
I suspect that also means that via precession, the seasons will flip flop over the 26000 year cycle. For example, in the northern hemisphere, it changing from hot to clld (fall), but in 13000 years this time frame would be turning from cold to hot (spring).
Not to mention obliquity and Eleccentrcity that make up the milankovitch cycles. Together these cycles actually are a big reason why Earth’s climate goes through glacial-interglacial cycles during an overall ice age. Although the milankovitch forcings alone aren’t enough to cause earth to transition from glacial to interglacial or vise versia so it’s amplified by changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas.
Thought that was pretty interesting as well.
Because of this also because obilquity making the tilt more extreme (typically going from around 22 degrees to 24 degrees every 40ish thousand years) in the near future, northern hemisphere summers could become far hotter and winters far colder due to a more extreme precession and obliquity phase.
Fun fact, if like me you're a Libra, the scales haven't always been a part of the zodiac, and depending on when and where you were when it was widely used, your constellation could be absorbed by either Virgo or Scorpio entirely
Which probably explains Libra's special status as the only Zodiac sign that's an inanimate object. All the others are, like, animals or people.
But, yeah, being a later addition, that's why it doesn't quite match up with the others.
not to mention that Virgo is like 3 times larger than libra, if you look at how much time the sun spends there
The "scales" of Libra are also the claws of the Scorpion.
I believe the shift since the "signs" were conceived is roughly 14 degrees, so about half of the average 30 degrees allotted for each sign.
Anyone who is in the latter half of their sign is probably now in the next sign, (such as he stated), a post Oct 8/9 Libra would now be more accurately a Scorpio, so it's a quick way to ballpark figure out your present day location, (astrologically).
@@barrykaine6526 my birthday is oct 8!
@@TweetsIsBoss Happy belated birthday Rebekah, - Oct. 8, that would put you on the front cusp of Scorpio, just past Libra. (maybe, - I'm ballparking here) Because the actual span of elliptic that Scorpio occupies is only around 7 degrees, (out of the 30 degrees each sign is allotted, to make them all seem equal)
My b-day would probably land me in Sagittarius (Oct.22), [although, under the system in use now, I'm on the Libra/Scorpio cusp].
Neil definitely had a glass of wine and jumped on startalk🤦🏾♂️🤘🏾 Genius
I never believed in the daily astrology bonkers and vague descriptions of pretty much everyone, but there are some seemingly good books that tidily organized personalites per signs so I thought I fit. It's freeing to know that I don't have to fit in a box.
Precession of the Equinoxes is not a new thing to astrologers. In western astrology, Aries begins at vernal equinox, regardless of where the sun is on the zodiac band of constellations due to said precession. In other words, if a baby is born on the day of vernal equinox, then his sun is in the sign of Aries, even if the sun is in the constellation of Pisces.
That makes sense. It's like a seasonal sign
Im a scorpio and will always be one.
Far as I know, Scorpio always started in October......
Where or how do I find out, where the Sun was positioned at a certain date, so I could determine my "real" Zodiak?
Would like to look it up.
You just have to look for a sidereal astrology chart. Or Vedic.
I’m an Ophiuchus, was a Sagittarius, and according to sidereal I’m a Scorpio, I decided that I embody all three zodiacs, now I just need to make a good depiction of a chimera to represent them combined.
I've never really embarked on figuring out how exactly astrology correlated with ACTUAL astronomy. What he's saying though makes me think of the Chinese Zodiac. I'm ALSO a Cancer -- some might say Gemini/Cancer. I knew about the prescience concept. I'm just astounded that so many thousands of years ago civilizations could conceive a rotation that takes some 2600 years to complete. I CAN imagine with TODAY"S science, math and technology!!
The ancients didn't know about earth's precession.
Back in the 70s, my girlfriend took an astrology class; as I recall, she used polar coordinates to calculate the precession. As if it mattered!
Ancient egypt was aware of the precession and they already had our current zodiac back then.
So they based their zodiac on what would be 2500 years in the future? LOL It amazes me how people will lie to themselves to justify the nonsense they believe in.
@@davidlondon9242 by „current zodiac“ i meant the actual zodiac- the signs, the symbols, the houses. Learn to read properly before you come at people, goof.
@@tritone11 that's a point so obvious that it doesn't need to be made. That's like saying the amazing thing about Roman numerals is that our roman numeral are the same as the ones from back then. The goof is always in your reflection.
Neil’s not getting an invitation to the astrologers conference any time soon! LOL
Any entry level astrologer can tell you about the precession of the equinoxes and the fact that the signs no longer line up. What you're describing is the debate between traditional vs sidereal astrology. It's a little condescending to take a tone like you're going to set all those silly astrology people straight, when you're not telling them anything they don't already know.
Astrology actually isn't about the stars. It's about interacting cycles that were originally tracked by the stars because clocks weren't invented yet, and everything in the sky has moved over the thousands of years since astrology began (or rather, our view has moved.) So no, your sign isn't wrong, no more than the time you're supposed to be at work is wrong if your watch is inaccurate.
Ahh. Someone else who know this. I tried to explain this in my own way. I think your explanation is a lot better. Thank you!
@@paperfans7093 Thanks! I was afraid I'd get roasted.
It was only about 4-5 years ago when I first heard that all the zodiac signs were no longer in the position they were in when astrologists first came up with their goofy system, I just wish more people were aware of this so they could know just how silly this system really is, and that, 'no you're not that sign you thought you were all your life'. 😄
The crazy thing is, according to Neil and he's just being kind. There really was no static starting point. If it's wrong today, it was wrong then as well.
@@siliconvalleylife2.048 its probably correct by a small margin. But with no actual starting point, we have no way of making an "updated" one.
Where constellation are or were is not relevant to Astrology. Pointing them out is only a reference to help you understand you are creating an imaginary line, from you on Earth strait out towards the Sun, (even if it's through the Earth if you were born at night). That line is used as part of a series of lines to plot angles and positions. The constellations are just a loose guide to illustrate where in the sky you are looking. Constellations are too far away to have any influence on you according to Astrology. Nothing to debunk here. Astrology does not rely on the location or position of any stars except for our Sun.
@@robsapplianceplus6071 that’s false
Vedic astrology with sideral north takes that into account..
I was dog sitting for my sister at her house the other day and looked on her RUclips playlist and there were about 55,000 things on astrology. Now All need to do is send her one RUclips video to really send her in a tizzy.
It always start with 'Chuck!'. I like it XD
I haven’t read all of the comments to see if anyone else has said this yet…
You can actually look up you full star chat based on the time, date and year that your were born (yay science!)
We actually have access to that information, also it still doesn’t change my traditionally assigned “sun sign” as far as astrology is concerned 👍
The Earth tilts 23.5 degrees from "vertical" (23.5 degrees from perpendicular to the plane of the Earth's orbit around the Sun). So where the poles point in the sky varies 57 degrees from one precession extreme to the next, 13,000 years apart. This is a pretty radical tilt.
47.
what if Chuck is an alien and knows more than Neil and plays along ?
Menudo is also the soup my mom makes during the holidays so the band thing is new for me
Dear mister Tyson, first of all I would like to say that thanks to you, me and so many other humans are smarter because you have helped us tremendously understand a lot of what's going on around us.
Now, in this video you mentioned that, because of the 23.5 degree tilt of the earth, the circle created by that wobble is exactly 23.5 degrees in diameter . I kept thinking about it for a while and I think that the circle is actually 47 degrees because you go from one side of the tilt to the other one crossing through 0 degrees; is that right, or did I miss understood what you said?
North star is important because it never change its place in sky according to season its comes late at night nearly near morning and stay there late and it helps travelers to find direction
I thought astrologers recognized procession of the zodiac. I thought that’s what “age of Pisces” “age of Aquarius “ was about.
They do
There are three zodiacs.
Tropical (that astrology in the west uses),
Sidereal (that Indian astrology uses, and accounts for precessional slippage),
and the Galactic zodiac (the one that NASA uses)
Ptolemy intentionally froze the SIGNS in helenistic astrology and reset Aries by 10° around the year 100 ad, proving that he knew about precessional slippage but that it was irrelevant to the hellenistic astrology system. Signs are named after constellations but they are not the same, and they're not supposed to be. Hellenistic tropical astrology uses planets but not really constellations, signs are more of a marker of seasonal times. Neil isn't quite getting it (and no I don't believe in astrology)
Because the Babylonians in the Mul Apin chose constellations as SIGNS of seasonal markers everyone is confused now. Signs are not constellations they're just name after them in their old position when the Babylonians made the Mul Apin
Cancer and Capricorn have liminal symbolism, they're both half water/half land creatures
@@whatabouttheearth Cancer has numerology in mathematics, but they all do to a certain extent. 69 turned sideways is the sign of Cancer or rotated in a 360° Circle this could be Tesla's 3 6 9 Theory describing the Atom or Universe.
If 9/0 is both nothing or infinity in a base 10 System, 1 2 4 8 7 5 keep repeating, perhaps points of electrons around a Atom or as I like to think of it, pecks and valleys of waves. It describes the vector of this pattern in Mathematical Equations...
@@whatabouttheearth a edit 369 controls the vector...
@@steve-o6413
It means nothing other than the historical symbolism, it's not connected to Tesla.
Cancer was originally MUL AL.LUL - 𒀯𒀠𒈜 and the meaning was a Crawfish (crawdaddy). The symbol was a crab, not the 69 glyph later used in hellenistic astrology, many of those are abbreviation symbols. Probably reffering to Cancer being mid point of the year at Summer Solstice then.
These people didn't know what a freaking atom was. They didn't know too much
Fun fact: Astrology actually takes the tilt of the earth into account. The difference between tropical western astrology and vedic astrology is about 23.5 degrees.
Vedic astrology uses stars as their point of view and it changes each year , tropical astrology is fixed cause it uses the earth as the center and itself divides the houses of the zodiac signs .
This was my understanding also...
Isn't vedic astrology geocentric
8:49 yes. Thank you
I remember a medium was trying to explain to me that I wasn't a Virgo, I laughed her out of the room.
I came across a book in the library that contains different information from what you are saying. The information I read is that there are 5 stars in 5 constellations that are considered “ Pole Stars. The first one is in Camelopardis, ( this was during the time that Abraham sent his servant to a certain place to fetch a bride for his son, Isaac. When they returned, Ruth was riding on a Camel.); the second Pole Star was in Thuban ( which is located above a mountain region in South America and part of it is also located above Great Britain. This was during the time that people believed in and told stories about Dragons.) this is in the constellation Draco; the next Pole Star is Vega in the constellation Lyre ( the Harp) which is located above Sacramento, California; our present day Pole Star is Polaris located in the constellation Ursa Minor . Our next Pole Star is supposed to be in the constellation Opheucous ( has a few meanings: “ My Fathers House”, “ The House”, “ Wolf” or “ the Shepherd “) , it resembles a house . The Pole Star is supposed to be located as a cornerstone of the house. To me, it appears as though there is a missing mail box near it. The location above Earth was not given .
I find the pseudo science of Astrology fascinating. I love this video.
reject astrology embrace astronomy
I always wondered why Cancer was visible (albeit dimly) on the evenings of my birthday.