This is maybe the 3rd video I've seen from you now talking about the incoming phantom supremacy and I am totally on board. I've made the switch and basically never use vandal now. There's a bit of a learning curve, but there are far more situations where I feel "I'm glad I picked the phantom for that" rather than "I wish I had the vandal for that".
Phantom might be strictly better number-wise, but frustration you get from getting a 140hs and dying to 160hs immediately hits THAT much harder then some theoretical advantages.
@@LotharHS-VALORANT-Laboratory yeah well I got inspired from the vid and went phantom only for ~10 games. My anecdotal evidence is phantom moment happens at least once a game and it gives SO MUCH cancer because it's pure gun diff. I did hit my shot before my enemy did and he gets to kill me -- that's the thing. It might be one-two kills a game which is probably negligible to the overall winrate because of other phantom benefits but evidently it leaves a bit of a mental scar.
Exactly. I loved phantom even though I was low rank before, mainly because of smoke spam. but now it is just plainly better even in low rank imo. And spams got better also. Random body shots does 4 more damage even from far away. Also, Thank you for bringing this more attention. This buff did not much attention, but this was huge.
What change(s) do you think would cut off the braindead amount of brokeness but still let the Phantom be a gun which should be considered buying in secific scenarios? Or would you rather like to see buffs to the vandal?
For now I dont want to see any changes, just so i can see if the pro players are smart enough to swap to phantoms. After that I would rather see a nerf to phantoms price to like 3000-3100.
Do you think that there will be some VCT teams playing significantly more Phantom? Like when FNC "invented" or rather popularized the light armor buy. And if so (also if not lol) which teams do you think are the most likely to incorporate it? I personally think that towards stage 2 most teams will lean into more Phantom buys as long as the phantom isn't getting nerfed in some way.
Historicallly speaking pro players are incredibly stubborn and barely want to learn anything new or change. Happened with stinger, bucky, judge, yoru or reyna. So im not anticipating a big change in pro play but i would like to be positively surprised and see phantoms dominate buys now so riot can nerf it soon. Guns broken.
Thank you very much for your insights. Can you please theorize on which one, phantom or vandal is better for high ping players? I play on 80-100 ms ping and feel like vandal is better, but that can be due to my bad aim, since I am low elo rn. But I also saw many high elo high ping players prioritizing vandal and I don't know is there particular reason of why that might be true. High ping means bad target recognition, all info on hit or miss is delayed, so it is much better to get lucky shot than identify that you hit for 140 and spray for body. That is my intuitive idea, hope you will give your insights for my query too. Thank in advance
Unfortunately I have no advice for like 100 ping players. I have no context. High elo players still playing vandal shouldnt be of any indicator for you, as historically speaking both pro players and ranked players are terrible at adapting to whats good in new patches.
what about chamber? I always run vandal on chamber because i can one tap and tp at all ranges where a phantom requires slightly more time to kill and could therefore get me killed
You are bringing a valid point. Chamber and Reyna are agent that in theory could benefit from Vandal more UNLESS you know you are holding a spot that is
I think its time vandal got a slight first shot accuracy buff to like 0.225 to compete because this is the first time the phantom has truly felt like it works as it should and vandal first shot accuracy is so annoying. Also remember another advantage to better first shot accuracy even at closer ranges is that you don't have to be as dead on with your aim on their head to still get a consistent headshot.
I dont think we are gonna see any changes to rifles till like end of first masters of 2025. Even if, we will probably see price increase of the phantom. But that might also kill it lol, because people are so reacrionary.
@@LotharHS-VALORANT-Laboratory i spray a shit ton through smokes rn using direcitonal sound cues (no bullets at the end of the round) . it's busted for me
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This is maybe the 3rd video I've seen from you now talking about the incoming phantom supremacy and I am totally on board. I've made the switch and basically never use vandal now. There's a bit of a learning curve, but there are far more situations where I feel "I'm glad I picked the phantom for that" rather than "I wish I had the vandal for that".
Yep, the gun is now just better. Tbf im not happy about this, because imo the game is becoming less balanced.
Phantom might be strictly better number-wise, but frustration you get from getting a 140hs and dying to 160hs immediately hits THAT much harder then some theoretical advantages.
And it happens so rarely but somehow you are fixating on it
@@LotharHS-VALORANT-Laboratory yeah well I got inspired from the vid and went phantom only for ~10 games. My anecdotal evidence is phantom moment happens at least once a game and it gives SO MUCH cancer because it's pure gun diff. I did hit my shot before my enemy did and he gets to kill me -- that's the thing. It might be one-two kills a game which is probably negligible to the overall winrate because of other phantom benefits but evidently it leaves a bit of a mental scar.
@@academicqthat's just a positioning issue most of the time you should be trying to stay in range of the phantom
Exactly. I loved phantom even though I was low rank before, mainly because of smoke spam. but now it is just plainly better even in low rank imo. And spams got better also. Random body shots does 4 more damage even from far away.
Also, Thank you for bringing this more attention. This buff did not much attention, but this was huge.
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And yet stats from games are very clearly showing that they still use vandals
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What change(s) do you think would cut off the braindead amount of brokeness but still let the Phantom be a gun which should be considered buying in secific scenarios? Or would you rather like to see buffs to the vandal?
For now I dont want to see any changes, just so i can see if the pro players are smart enough to swap to phantoms. After that I would rather see a nerf to phantoms price to like 3000-3100.
In the pro scene the vandal has had between 2-5x the pickrate for like 2 years. Its ok if the phantom is a bit stronger for a while
Do you think that there will be some VCT teams playing significantly more Phantom? Like when FNC "invented" or rather popularized the light armor buy. And if so (also if not lol) which teams do you think are the most likely to incorporate it?
I personally think that towards stage 2 most teams will lean into more Phantom buys as long as the phantom isn't getting nerfed in some way.
Historicallly speaking pro players are incredibly stubborn and barely want to learn anything new or change. Happened with stinger, bucky, judge, yoru or reyna. So im not anticipating a big change in pro play but i would like to be positively surprised and see phantoms dominate buys now so riot can nerf it soon. Guns broken.
Thank you very much for your insights. Can you please theorize on which one, phantom or vandal is better for high ping players? I play on 80-100 ms ping and feel like vandal is better, but that can be due to my bad aim, since I am low elo rn. But I also saw many high elo high ping players prioritizing vandal and I don't know is there particular reason of why that might be true. High ping means bad target recognition, all info on hit or miss is delayed, so it is much better to get lucky shot than identify that you hit for 140 and spray for body. That is my intuitive idea, hope you will give your insights for my query too. Thank in advance
Unfortunately I have no advice for like 100 ping players. I have no context.
High elo players still playing vandal shouldnt be of any indicator for you, as historically speaking both pro players and ranked players are terrible at adapting to whats good in new patches.
The colors on the Prime phantom look sick on your clips, the yellow and red variants look cheap when I run them x)
Thats what you get for playing on low textures 😤
what about chamber? I always run vandal on chamber because i can one tap and tp at all ranges where a phantom requires slightly more time to kill and could therefore get me killed
You are bringing a valid point. Chamber and Reyna are agent that in theory could benefit from Vandal more UNLESS you know you are holding a spot that is
I think its time vandal got a slight first shot accuracy buff to like 0.225 to compete because this is the first time the phantom has truly felt like it works as it should and vandal first shot accuracy is so annoying.
Also remember another advantage to better first shot accuracy even at closer ranges is that you don't have to be as dead on with your aim on their head to still get a consistent headshot.
I dont think we are gonna see any changes to rifles till like end of first masters of 2025. Even if, we will probably see price increase of the phantom. But that might also kill it lol, because people are so reacrionary.
my headshot rate with the phantom reduced by 6% (31 -> 25), mainly because almost half the kills i got were through smokes 💀
Less spraying, more bursting ;)
@@LotharHS-VALORANT-Laboratory i spray a shit ton through smokes rn using direcitonal sound cues (no bullets at the end of the round) . it's busted for me
as for the rank, immo rn
I keep trying the phantom but a 140 still hurts
In the past 55 hours of my gameplay in patch 9.10, I died THREE times because i did 140 and got killed back. Its really not happening that often.
dang i just bought a vandal skin lol....
If you didnt upgrade it with radianite you can still return it
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Nope, still the vandal's the winner
Arguments?
don’t ever show that ugly ion phantom on my screen again thanks
Yeah ion is awful