Hey Douglas we met at caniron. You are a huge talent. The elephant looks brilliant. I’m really enjoying the content you have put up. I’m going to watch and rewatch. More more more!
Thank you so much John, CanIron was an absolute blast and it's always a pleasure to get back in touch with folks I meet while on the road. Let me know if you need anything more John! Cheers!
Depends on what you might have access to. When you're first starting out I would recommend starting to make some of your own simple tools and pick up a few pounds of a medium grade pitch. I use Nechamkins medium green but most pitch will behave close enough to each other that when you're just starting out it won't make a huge difference. Just play around in some scrap material to test out the tools you make before picking out a simple design such as the one in this video. I've got some pretty thorough lesson plans and detailed tool making instruction on Patreon.com/douglaspryor if you want more direct help. But you can learn quite a bit from exploring a little on your own first.
Thanks for saying so! The rosin is a mixture with plaster a paris, veg oil, and charcoal powder that makes the pitch. You can purchase it from a number of suppliers depending on what hardness you need. Here are a few options: Red pitch: www.metalsmithing-tools.com/product-page/california-red-chasing-and-repousse-pitch Green pitch: nechamkin.com/chasers-pitch-pitch-bowls/
@@douglaspryor yeah it really got me thinking about back in the way past how important metal working people were to a town. Like before Christ and such. Very cool skill.
I'd like to know the gauge of that copper plate, pls? and how small is that? Thanks I'm just wondering how small I can go if a design is something like this
The copper I used was approx 1mm thick, the tile of copper was only about 4 inches square. So the design in the middle could not have been bigger than 2.5-3 inches. You could go thicker if you needed to make it larger. The smaller you make the design the thinner you can get away with but I would not go too thin. If you wanted to make the design as small as a quarter for example you might appreciate having the extra metal as you may need to clean up some lines and shapes with gravers and scrapers. Naturally you'll need smaller tooling too, but it's very doable with practice. Good luck and stay in touch!
Hahaha John Williams of www.guildwerks.com/ spoils me and I can't thank him enough for them! I use the heck out of them and they're supper nice to use. Cheers Dave!
Hey there amazing work! I'm just getting started. May I ask what you polished it with at the end to make it less rough hewn looking? My goal is to make religious icons but for animals and animal deities. You are a HUGE inspiration.
Hi there and thanks for the comment! Animal deities sound pretty awesome for some sculptural chasing! For polishing there a number of things you can do. I don't think I did much polish to this piece, maybe just a light little buff on the buffing wheel with a polishing abrasive. For finish work a buffing wheel isn't always the right call as it can be really aggressive so for hand polishing I would recommend very fine sand paper grits and sunshine polishing cloths. Here's their website for a free sample: www.sunshinepolishingcloth.com/samples.html I use the yellow ones the most for cleaning and brightening, the pink ones are courser and will actually scrape a bit. Match those with some very fine grits of sand paper and that should cover larger smooth surfaces. For harder to get spots you may consider making some japanese style scrapers. Here's a great forum on the in's and out's of those: www.followingtheironbrush.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1018
Only joking! We communicated a while ago about you coming to the UK one day and I'm still hoping that's going to happen.I'm at work now so I'll have to finish watching later. Very informative though so far. Love it ! Cheers Douglas. Lovely work.
The BABA did reach out to me this year for coming out to teach, doing a small tour. I would love to go, still in negotiations and waiting to hear back. I do hope the video helps! I'll be making more little video's like these here and quite a few more at length on my Patreon. Working through an eagle head vessel at the moment that I'm really looking forward to jumping back into! Cheers!
Just got here from Roy as well. While I am sure it is not as simple as you make it. My question is where do you get the tools and what do you do with it when finished. Stupid questions to be sure. But looking for hobbies for my imminent retirement.
The tools can be made or bought. I make a lot of mine and offer tutorial video's on how to make your own chisels on Patreon.com/douglaspryor but there are many excellent suppliers of chisels. Hesseniron.com supplies the chisel sets I use for my workshops when I travel. www.metalsmithing-tools.com/product-page/california-red-chasing-and-repousse-pitch also makes great tools all around and offers pitch.
what is that black stuff your using to make the mould from first and how do you get your drawnings onto it first or do you not make your shapes from it first and what is the name of it and where do you buy it from in the first place ok
Hey there David, Thanks for your question! The black stuff is pitch. It's offered by a lot of suppliers. Here's one: nechamkin.com/chasers-pitch-pitch-bowls/ To get the drawing on the metal we use tracing through a paper drawing. You can just draw it on for deeper relief projects, but for a mid or lower relief project I use tracing: ruclips.net/video/4p_OrdFLC-c/видео.html Hope that helps! Stay in touch! Cheers, Douglas
Hi there Sam! I encourage you to try it! Once I got a taste for working with pitch there was no looking back for me. :) If there's anything I can do for you in the mean time let me know!
Thank you very much for saying so! I do what I can to get at least a few video's online. Should be coming out with more soon! Thank Roy for showing my work around!
all those tools tho D: Idek where to get them.I only have round punches :( No straight liner, no curved liner, no planisher, no texturing tools :( At least I get my Pitch in a few days, already have my blowtorch :)
Jakob Mertens if your stuck you can go to a garage sale an grind down cold chisels to what you want. It takes some Time but it’s satisfying to work with your own hand made tools.
Well it works quite well with round punches. I cant make straight lines, but thats it. And for learning how to hit properly it is enough and I dont want to spend any more money rn.
I totally feel ya man, you don't have to spend money getting new chisels, of course if you want very nice sets they are out there for sure, but if you are not in a place to purchase new sets all you need to is take a few hand files and finer sand paper to cheap strait cutting chisels (meant for metal not wood) and take all the corners off. One of my favorite original chisels was an old school screwdriver that I chopped up and took the corners off, I still use it to this day. However, now if I need a tool I forge them out properly, don't hold yourself back by waiting until you're perfect to take action, but when you are in a position to make or buy proper tooling you'll be happier for it. If you need more help let me know. Cheers!
@@douglaspryor you make it look too easy, how do you keep things consistent overall? I did a 5" round copper plate and things are...lumpy, to say the least. Also I ended up with thin spots. Any pointers?
@@alexyouknowwhoitis2169 Consistency with many respects always improves with repetition and practice. There are some things that help though. Making sure there's no air pockets in the pitch supporting the project. Consistency in the strength of impact from the hammer. Some times using a lighter hammer can help this. A lighter hammer will slow down the speed of change and force of impact. Better lighting always helps, I've worked in some dark dungeons in my time and with more light and visibility you can always expect improvements. I think one of the last things I can think of is making sure your tools have predictable geometry. If a planisher has really sharp corners or if the face isn't perpendicular to the tool it'll cause all sorts of unpredictable results that'll cause more work by the end. Sorry it took a while to get to your comment! I just didn't see it at the time and going back through some of these I caught quite a few I had missed. Thanks for your patience and I hope this finds you well! -Douglas
Someone was also working in that place, I think. The camera just caught another guy sitting. on the other side, in black shirt. That's the noise you're talking about, right?
Fantastic! I love how you bang that out. One if by land two if by sea” Happy trails! Cheers!
Thank you so much Tom! Cheers!
Excelente artista! Grande professor! Obrigado.
Your an inspiration! Love the perfect explanation and the flow you get with the tools... hammer on sir.
That's really kind of you to say Andy thank you!
Those are some beautiful chasing hammers!
Thanks very much! A few of my friends made them and they have been my companions for a few years now and I love them. :)
Hey Douglas we met at caniron. You are a huge talent. The elephant looks brilliant. I’m really enjoying the content you have put up. I’m going to watch and rewatch. More more more!
Thank you so much John, CanIron was an absolute blast and it's always a pleasure to get back in touch with folks I meet while on the road. Let me know if you need anything more John! Cheers!
Bumped into your channel! So happy! I do leather tooling and carving! This is absolutely up my alley.
That's fantastic Cel Gar, I wish you happy chiseling! Let me know if you need any more!
Wonderful video very informative, thank you.
Glad you are finding some good stuff in there! Cheers!
thanks bruv. my pitch bowl arrives this week. stoked to start!
That's exciting! Hope you enjoy your chasing adventure! :D
Hi what would you recomend for a beginner , about tools and pitch and temparing the metal surface ?
Depends on what you might have access to. When you're first starting out I would recommend starting to make some of your own simple tools and pick up a few pounds of a medium grade pitch. I use Nechamkins medium green but most pitch will behave close enough to each other that when you're just starting out it won't make a huge difference. Just play around in some scrap material to test out the tools you make before picking out a simple design such as the one in this video. I've got some pretty thorough lesson plans and detailed tool making instruction on Patreon.com/douglaspryor if you want more direct help. But you can learn quite a bit from exploring a little on your own first.
good chasing brother 👍
Thank you very much!
Love it..
Great work! Can you please tell me what kind of resin you use for chasing. And where to buy? Thank you!!!
Thanks for saying so! The rosin is a mixture with plaster a paris, veg oil, and charcoal powder that makes the pitch. You can purchase it from a number of suppliers depending on what hardness you need. Here are a few options:
Red pitch: www.metalsmithing-tools.com/product-page/california-red-chasing-and-repousse-pitch
Green pitch: nechamkin.com/chasers-pitch-pitch-bowls/
Wow. I just stumbled on this video. I never knew metal was shaped like that. Very informative video.
Thanks so much for saying so Rob! Cheers!
@@douglaspryor yeah it really got me thinking about back in the way past how important metal working people were to a town. Like before Christ and such. Very cool skill.
@@robmart8255 Oh absolutely!
In a lot of ways they still are today, especially in smaller towns where access to things are not maybe as easy. :)
That is so beautiful!
That's most generous of you to say! Thank you!
I'd like to know the gauge of that copper plate, pls? and how small is that? Thanks
I'm just wondering how small I can go if a design is something like this
The copper I used was approx 1mm thick, the tile of copper was only about 4 inches square. So the design in the middle could not have been bigger than 2.5-3 inches.
You could go thicker if you needed to make it larger. The smaller you make the design the thinner you can get away with but I would not go too thin.
If you wanted to make the design as small as a quarter for example you might appreciate having the extra metal as you may need to clean up some lines and shapes with gravers and scrapers. Naturally you'll need smaller tooling too, but it's very doable with practice.
Good luck and stay in touch!
Lovely work, very helpful informations! Thank you
I'm glad it helped! Thank you Lu Lupan!
OK I have serious copper tongs envy!
Hahaha John Williams of www.guildwerks.com/ spoils me and I can't thank him enough for them! I use the heck out of them and they're supper nice to use.
Cheers Dave!
Hey there amazing work! I'm just getting started. May I ask what you polished it with at the end to make it less rough hewn looking? My goal is to make religious icons but for animals and animal deities. You are a HUGE inspiration.
Hi there and thanks for the comment! Animal deities sound pretty awesome for some sculptural chasing!
For polishing there a number of things you can do. I don't think I did much polish to this piece, maybe just a light little buff on the buffing wheel with a polishing abrasive.
For finish work a buffing wheel isn't always the right call as it can be really aggressive so for hand polishing I would recommend very fine sand paper grits and sunshine polishing cloths. Here's their website for a free sample: www.sunshinepolishingcloth.com/samples.html
I use the yellow ones the most for cleaning and brightening, the pink ones are courser and will actually scrape a bit. Match those with some very fine grits of sand paper and that should cover larger smooth surfaces.
For harder to get spots you may consider making some japanese style scrapers. Here's a great forum on the in's and out's of those: www.followingtheironbrush.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1018
Only joking! We communicated a while ago about you coming to the UK one day and I'm still hoping that's going to happen.I'm at work now so I'll have to finish watching later. Very informative though so far. Love it ! Cheers Douglas. Lovely work.
The BABA did reach out to me this year for coming out to teach, doing a small tour. I would love to go, still in negotiations and waiting to hear back.
I do hope the video helps! I'll be making more little video's like these here and quite a few more at length on my Patreon. Working through an eagle head vessel at the moment that I'm really looking forward to jumping back into!
Cheers!
Just got here from Roy as well. While I am sure it is not as simple as you make it. My question is where do you get the tools and what do you do with it when finished. Stupid questions to be sure. But looking for hobbies for my imminent retirement.
The tools can be made or bought. I make a lot of mine and offer tutorial video's on how to make your own chisels on Patreon.com/douglaspryor but there are many excellent suppliers of chisels. Hesseniron.com supplies the chisel sets I use for my workshops when I travel. www.metalsmithing-tools.com/product-page/california-red-chasing-and-repousse-pitch also makes great tools all around and offers pitch.
what is that black stuff your using to make the mould from first and how do you get your drawnings onto it first or do you not make your shapes from it first and what is the name of it and where do you buy it from in the first place ok
Hey there David, Thanks for your question!
The black stuff is pitch. It's offered by a lot of suppliers. Here's one: nechamkin.com/chasers-pitch-pitch-bowls/
To get the drawing on the metal we use tracing through a paper drawing. You can just draw it on for deeper relief projects, but for a mid or lower relief project I use tracing: ruclips.net/video/4p_OrdFLC-c/видео.html
Hope that helps! Stay in touch!
Cheers,
Douglas
@@douglaspryor thanks mate
Hey mate, I've never tried chasing, but with this info I might give it a try! Roy sent me!
Hi there Sam! I encourage you to try it! Once I got a taste for working with pitch there was no looking back for me. :) If there's anything I can do for you in the mean time let me know!
Great job,excellent, question: what is the thickness of the copper?
Thanks Edin! 18ga copper was the thickness I used.
Mr Douglas,pls tell me What is the material under copper? Thiss black?
That is called "chasers pitch" or just "pitch". :)
Thank you!
GREAT THNS A LOT FOR SHARING BRAVO :) :) :)
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
What gauge metal? Thanks!
Hi Sir,
I want to learn this from you. Will you show me how to do it? Please show me.
Thanks
Hi there Ratna!
I offer classes and instructional video's online if you are looking for more projects or techniques to practice.
-Douglas
Wow! nice 'stach!
What is the black putty?
The black putty is a rosin mixture called "pitch".
Too cool very helpful 😁
So glad it helped! Cheers!
Nice work! was reccomended to this channel by Roy Adams @ Christcentered Iron Works
Thank you very much for saying so! I do what I can to get at least a few video's online. Should be coming out with more soon! Thank Roy for showing my work around!
Nice work . Roy send me
Thank you very much for saying so! Thank Roy for showing my work around!
One time look my work its work very simple
Good job...
Thanks very much Mani, hope the run through helps!
all those tools tho D: Idek where to get them.I only have round punches :( No straight liner, no curved liner, no planisher, no texturing tools :(
At least I get my Pitch in a few days, already have my blowtorch :)
Jakob Mertens if your stuck you can go to a garage sale an grind down cold chisels to what you want. It takes some Time but it’s satisfying to work with your own hand made tools.
Well it works quite well with round punches. I cant make straight lines, but thats it. And for learning how to hit properly it is enough and I dont want to spend any more money rn.
I totally feel ya man, you don't have to spend money getting new chisels, of course if you want very nice sets they are out there for sure, but if you are not in a place to purchase new sets all you need to is take a few hand files and finer sand paper to cheap strait cutting chisels (meant for metal not wood) and take all the corners off. One of my favorite original chisels was an old school screwdriver that I chopped up and took the corners off, I still use it to this day. However, now if I need a tool I forge them out properly, don't hold yourself back by waiting until you're perfect to take action, but when you are in a position to make or buy proper tooling you'll be happier for it. If you need more help let me know. Cheers!
Amazing! Christ Centered Ironworks, send me!🙌
Thank you very much for saying so! Thank Roy for showing my work around!
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
What ga copper?
18ga (1mm) copper.
Price is work
That mallet has seen some shit.
hahahaha it still has some life in it yet!
@@douglaspryor you make it look too easy, how do you keep things consistent overall? I did a 5" round copper plate and things are...lumpy, to say the least. Also I ended up with thin spots. Any pointers?
@@alexyouknowwhoitis2169 Consistency with many respects always improves with repetition and practice. There are some things that help though. Making sure there's no air pockets in the pitch supporting the project. Consistency in the strength of impact from the hammer. Some times using a lighter hammer can help this. A lighter hammer will slow down the speed of change and force of impact.
Better lighting always helps, I've worked in some dark dungeons in my time and with more light and visibility you can always expect improvements. I think one of the last things I can think of is making sure your tools have predictable geometry. If a planisher has really sharp corners or if the face isn't perpendicular to the tool it'll cause all sorts of unpredictable results that'll cause more work by the end.
Sorry it took a while to get to your comment! I just didn't see it at the time and going back through some of these I caught quite a few I had missed. Thanks for your patience and I hope this finds you well!
-Douglas
Nice job..bt
I have more idea than this 😁😁
The worlds your oyster, go make good work and explore those ideas! This is meant to be a beginner project.
What is that f*****g noise in the background!
It's probably the ventilation system. It's a key safety feature when working in smaller rooms where there are pickling acids and pitch fumes.
Someone was also working in that place, I think. The camera just caught another guy sitting. on the other side, in black shirt. That's the noise you're talking about, right?