I feel like there's a bit too much emphasis on typing. Nidoking has decent phys and special bulk, stab EQ/Dig. Abra has 25 HP and 15 Def, it'll get KO'd by anything physical, even stuff it resists. Abra is just an eyelash faster, but not fast enough to never get hit.
I disagree. You have to take into account that Abra evolves and if you manage to get Psychic/Psybeam from lv up or TM, kadabra can take on most pokes. In randomizer, typing and stats are really the only thing that distinguish these pokes. Poison just isnt a good type in gen1. Having a weakness to the strongest and fastest type in the game is awful, especially with no speed like tentacruel
Haha, good stuff, surprised speed = critical hits didn't play more into it but then again with rando you can't guarantee you'll be equipped the best moves to utilize that
I'd really like for you and shen to do tier lists of some of the newer gens. I know you don't know many of the Pokemon but would like to see your guys opinions on what you guys think is good. Maybe you discover some really awesome Pokemon for speedruns. Also later gen races I think would be cool. I really like those.
I would say ninetails should be higher, especially running dig for niche situations like agathas gengars and other fire types matchups not charizard. Arcanine has a stronger dig but ninetails is faster and has a better special. Fire blast is also amazing this gen, 120 bp and 30% chance to burn. The only cons is the bulky water matchups and dig is slow, but fire /ground is great coverage ingame.
Agatha won't necessarily have Gengars in gen 1, but I see what you're getting at. I'm pretty sure that the dig tm is randomized in their format too, so idk if that's guaranteed either. If you happened to come across a Ninetales with that sort of coverage, or even like a Ninetales with Flamethrower/Psychic and eventually Surf, it'd be really good, definitely better than Arcanine with the same moveset for sure. I could even see it at the top of B tier, but pure fire really is kinda rough. Definitely the best mono fire type though.
This is for randomizer races, and usually that means movesets are random and you can learn every TM (but they're also all random.) So yea, Agatha won't have Gengars most of the time, and Ninetails may not learn any STAB moves, or Dig (though it 100% gets Surf) The issue is Fire is bad defensively in Gen 1
@@Ffancrzy I would also say Fire is bad offensively in Gen 1 with basically just two good moves...out of five. Chances to get a STAB move are incredibly low :/
@@ottokarl5427 Yep another good point. I don't think lack of Stab is a death sentence (see gengar in randomizer) but being on a mon with mediocre stats and bad defensive typing doesn't help.
@@Ffancrzy ah if movesets are randomized then yea, i hc nuzlocke so im very familiar with how much damage certain mons can do, ingame you shouldnt sleep on fire types even if they are somewhat lacking. Since random yea water types become more annoying and i would rather have something that can reliably deal with them since they are prevalent in gen 1. I was kinda watching this in the background and looked up and was like hol on xD
Venomoth sucks because its only special moves that make use of its 90 special attack are Psychic, Mega Drain, and Solar Beam. And Lapras is good! Tanky, STAB Blizzard/Ice Beam, STAB Surf, Confuse Ray, Body Slam if you want a physical option, Thunderbolt... A little slow, but it's still great. Lapras makes it weird that Dewgong exists, too. Dewgong totally is a weaker Lapras.
i would disagree with so much on this list on your gen 2 list i was semi with you mate but some of the worst things i have seen were omastar waay too high.. its TOO slow mr mime busted psychic typing with 90 speed and 100special so mr miem a tier up mewtwo should get a tier up and vaporeon a tier down power bird oevr aerodactyl?!?!? just to name some
It's subjective, I slightly agree with you Omastar is a bit high. But it is the water type with the best Special in the game, and it gets access to Surf. That instant power is nothing to scoff at
I can’t wait for Shen to disagree with most things
He memed the hell out of that Hitmonchan placement in GDQ when they ran Pokémon Crystal Randomizer Key Item last week.
Good list, feel Exeggutor is a little hard done by though. It's the same speed as Omastar.
Wonder what Shen will pick on this time, lol
1:10 LMFAO That totally caught me off guard
Seadra has the similar stats to Venomoth but better typing
8:37 in gen 1 all the birds are 125 special, and that 10 speed isn't that big it's just defensively in gen 1 zapdos is the best
YES i have subscribed! You don‘t have to scare me like that 😢
Ya that jump scare got me as well
I thought it was funny
Gen 1 Mewtwo has a weakness, it's cry is long
I feel like there's a bit too much emphasis on typing. Nidoking has decent phys and special bulk, stab EQ/Dig. Abra has 25 HP and 15 Def, it'll get KO'd by anything physical, even stuff it resists. Abra is just an eyelash faster, but not fast enough to never get hit.
I disagree. You have to take into account that Abra evolves and if you manage to get Psychic/Psybeam from lv up or TM, kadabra can take on most pokes. In randomizer, typing and stats are really the only thing that distinguish these pokes. Poison just isnt a good type in gen1. Having a weakness to the strongest and fastest type in the game is awful, especially with no speed like tentacruel
I'm surprised my donation is still there lol nice list Chris!
Haha, good stuff, surprised speed = critical hits didn't play more into it but then again with rando you can't guarantee you'll be equipped the best moves to utilize that
NoEXP Beat Roxanne Tier list? That's what we need
Bulbasaur should have been in its own SSSSSSSS tier......
Pokemon XD tier list sounds like the clear next step
I'm surprised that you didn't put Bulbasaur in the S-tier, I'm sure Shen won't like that :)
Only if you pay up tho
Inb4 Hitmonchan S tier !
do a shiny tierlist
gen 3 tierlist next please
Make a gen 7 uber rando tier list next /s
7:18 🤔🤔
I'd really like for you and shen to do tier lists of some of the newer gens. I know you don't know many of the Pokemon but would like to see your guys opinions on what you guys think is good. Maybe you discover some really awesome Pokemon for speedruns.
Also later gen races I think would be cool. I really like those.
I would say ninetails should be higher, especially running dig for niche situations like agathas gengars and other fire types matchups not charizard. Arcanine has a stronger dig but ninetails is faster and has a better special. Fire blast is also amazing this gen, 120 bp and 30% chance to burn. The only cons is the bulky water matchups and dig is slow, but fire /ground is great coverage ingame.
Agatha won't necessarily have Gengars in gen 1, but I see what you're getting at. I'm pretty sure that the dig tm is randomized in their format too, so idk if that's guaranteed either.
If you happened to come across a Ninetales with that sort of coverage, or even like a Ninetales with Flamethrower/Psychic and eventually Surf, it'd be really good, definitely better than Arcanine with the same moveset for sure. I could even see it at the top of B tier, but pure fire really is kinda rough. Definitely the best mono fire type though.
This is for randomizer races, and usually that means movesets are random and you can learn every TM (but they're also all random.)
So yea, Agatha won't have Gengars most of the time, and Ninetails may not learn any STAB moves, or Dig (though it 100% gets Surf) The issue is Fire is bad defensively in Gen 1
@@Ffancrzy I would also say Fire is bad offensively in Gen 1 with basically just two good moves...out of five. Chances to get a STAB move are incredibly low :/
@@ottokarl5427 Yep another good point. I don't think lack of Stab is a death sentence (see gengar in randomizer) but being on a mon with mediocre stats and bad defensive typing doesn't help.
@@Ffancrzy ah if movesets are randomized then yea, i hc nuzlocke so im very familiar with how much damage certain mons can do, ingame you shouldnt sleep on fire types even if they are somewhat lacking.
Since random yea water types become more annoying and i would rather have something that can reliably deal with them since they are prevalent in gen 1. I was kinda watching this in the background and looked up and was like hol on xD
Tier list gen 1 casual play
Venomoth sucks because its only special moves that make use of its 90 special attack are Psychic, Mega Drain, and Solar Beam.
And Lapras is good! Tanky, STAB Blizzard/Ice Beam, STAB Surf, Confuse Ray, Body Slam if you want a physical option, Thunderbolt... A little slow, but it's still great.
Lapras makes it weird that Dewgong exists, too. Dewgong totally is a weaker Lapras.
i mention at the start that the tierlist is for randomizer, so everything learns everything
@@360Chrism Ohhhhh, I had thought only the HMs were learnable by all pokémon, thanks for answering!
I'm glad Dugtrio is at the bottom
If ever anyone see this, I never saw the legendary Weezing run. Anyone can link it to me?
The weezing race was way before I started uploading to RUclips, so it's lost forever sadly.
@@360Chrism how sad. Thank you for the quick answer mr.Chrism. :)
I can’t believe Chris didn’t put Weezing in S tier
All psychics belong in their own category
Why is mew a tier lower than mewtwo? They are the same type and have the same base stats.
they don't have the same stats! look it up Mewtwo is way stronger
@@360Chrism Damn it, you're right
I was at work so bulbapedia was blocked and google image searching mew's base stats showed mew two's base stats
How dare you not give 2nd place to Zapdos
video length 1337 nice!
Charizard should be lower. It only has 85 special in gen 1.
Khanga?!
i would disagree with so much on this list
on your gen 2 list i was semi with you mate but some of the worst things i have seen were omastar waay too high.. its TOO slow
mr mime busted psychic typing with 90 speed and 100special so mr miem a tier up
mewtwo should get a tier up
and vaporeon a tier down
power bird oevr aerodactyl?!?!?
just to name some
It's subjective, I slightly agree with you Omastar is a bit high. But it is the water type with the best Special in the game, and it gets access to Surf. That instant power is nothing to scoff at
I can't believe golem didn't even make the list over some of those other crap tier pokemon you put on it. Very disappointing
golem dies to a bubble
@@360Chrism haha 😄 fair point, he's just one of my favorites
once i saw how low you put nidoking i just stopped watching lol