@Jeffrey Brannon that's easy for you to say, most likely never having been in a position where you're trying to get very sensitive information from a source, where some degree of trust is necessary in order to demonstrate faith in them. It was a calculated gamble that sadly didn't pay off, however on countless other occasions it has worked...or they wouldn't do it...
@@niceguy6152 Unfortunately for you the CIA has accomplished some impressive strategic goals regardless of whether or not it suffers casualties from amongst it's employees, who of course are more than aware of the risks that come with their line of work. When you grow up from the edgy phase of your youth you'll figure that out, it's a drop in the bucket.
I see people pointing out inaccuracies and saying this wouldn’t happen in real life but the fact is this is exactly what happened in this real life incident
@@tatumergo3931 i read that they had a cat on site during filming and that the handlers couldnt get him to run across on cue, so the cat was added in CGI post pro
The CIA and Jordinian Intelligence both trusted hima nd vouched for him, he had fed them a lot of actionable intel in the past. He was waved through security because he was trusted, and as a sign of respect. Unfortunately he wasnt nearly as trustworthy as thought.
@@calito44 thanks, honestly I was just pointing it out because the movie painted the CIA officer as naive and negligent. But the truth is many high level intelligence people thought this guy was playing ball.
@Harry Harry oh I agree, security procedures only work if followed. But my point was that this wasnt the fault of some naive incompetent CIA officer. This was a multi tiered failure.
@@JohnnyAlspaugh Nothing to do with women in charge of security though. I mean we have an emotionally unstable president who is president now. He is even worse than a woman on period. The current country's state is what happens when you put feelings ahead of logic. You elected a man-child who is dementia, incapable of being coherent or even read a report. The whole world knows you elected him based on your feelings. Just feelings. So don't give crap about women please.
bs government greed. As a uniform I would have said no F'n way. He gets out of the car, gets searched outside of the FOB and again inside while the car is searched.
1 skip in procedures. ONE. This is exactly why you don't skip the stuff that ALLOWS you to survive in the first place, in ANY category, personal group or global.
Being late, stopping short when they noticed gate security, the lack of a sally port, allowing 100% entry into the area without being cleared, the vehicle suspension sagging for no visible reason… all of these things were screaming out at me but the black cat crossing in front of the car was the thing that got an audible “Oh fuck” out of me.
I remember watching this movie for the first time. I could tell right off the bat that something in this scene would go wrong. I have to say, it’s a terrific scene because it feels so bad. This is truly a terrifying scene, especially when you think about how it happened in real life.
@@brendanwalsh826 I'm being a bit cheeky, Zero Dark Thirty is a fantastic film. Top 1000 is a pretty big achievement when you're going up against Bergman, Hitchcock, Godard, Fellini, Kurosawa, Rosselini, Tarkovsky, Ford, etc. I had no idea how many amazing films were actually out there until I downloaded the They Shoot Pictures Don't They list of 20,000 greatest films of all time.
I can imagine the vehicle search rules were drastically altered after this. On the bases I deployed to in Iraq, not a single vehicle was allowed through the gates that wasn't thoroughly searched. On one base it occasionally caused miles of backed up truck traffic, but that was the cost of not dying via VBIED inside your own wire. Seeing an unsearched car rolling up on them gave me serious cringes.
Didn’t they hear the mournful music playing in contrast to the team’s excitement and expectations and know right then that something bad and expectation-confounding was going to happen? And the black cat crossing the road too ffs. I mean it couldn’t have been more telegraphed what was going to happen.
Security has often been far too lax on US bases for a very long time. I used to get on an RAF TAC base in the '80s by waving my open wallet at the windshield as I passed at about 20 mph. I knew they couldn't read it or identify it at that speed and they sure couldn't ID the three KGB in the car with me. Now, I didn't have, but any passengers with me never had to show ID. Clearly, that was just wrong.
He was a well trusted source for the CIA and Jordan, he had delivered previous actionable intelligence and gave out target info for multiple wanted suspects... he basically sacrificed lower level members, or tribal rivals in order to gain trust... I'm just guessing but he probably gave intelligence to have 20+ people killed/captured just so he could get close to high level Americans... 7 gold stars in one day is far too many 🙁
Jennifer Ehle, the lead actress in this scene, is outstanding. I believe she is British (in real life). She's not extremely well known to the general public; but she is among the professionals.
She's American/English, English mother and spent a lot of time in both countries growing up. I would recommend the 1995 BBC version of Pride and Prejudice, she's excellent in that,
Don't know how accurate this scene is but her telling him how to run security is a big mistake. It cost her life and others. Procedures and protocols are in place for a reason..you just can't ignore it because you think someone is special. May those who died RIP.
Just watched an interview with one of the CIA guys in charge of this. He talked about how people asked if the Officers who made the errors would be punished, and he said they already had in a sense - they were killed by their own mistakes.
Because she was incongruously smiling so much, I knew what was coming. That's a standard clue in movies that something bad is about to happen. Kinda like the perfect family, hugging and kissing, with children playing, right before the bad guy blows them away.
Far as I’m concerned, dude gets one warning to take his hand out of his pocket after which it’s time for a 9 and 5.56 shower to persuade him to reconsider
Lol seriously. Everyone calling veteran CIA analysts idiots who don't know anything about security procedures, while they sit at their keyboard in the suburbs helping themselves to their third soda and bag of Funyuns.
Well technically she wasn’t a civvy- in fact, she might’ve been on par with authority being the CIA asset she is, but still, fatal failure of security.
@@failtolawl Military & naval personnel may be required to cooperate with CIA/OGA, show them respect, even cooperate with their requests. While I did take some calculated risks, and bent some rules & procedures, I would Not violate Essential Security Measures. That resulted in some displeasure, and refusal for some OGA to work with me (or for me to be included in their ops); I did have to explain my reasons, and I cited SOP/Tactics and Techniques that were NOT to be violated. It may have cost me a promotion, and some opportunities. Yet, I continued serving in SOCCOM, and received good NCOERs. A couple of times I got some "talking to" but, never officially reprimanded. A couple of times I expected possible "blow-back" and it didn't happen. Sometimes their risks paid off... sometimes people were killed or wounded. Some people are willing to take Foolish Risks just to be part of the "Cool Kids" I am NOT! I followed orders, and definitely took risks, above and beyond what was required, but I am NOT a hero, just a Professional doing my Duty.
While on foot patrol, we discovered a sedan, something "heavy" (SWAG 350-750 kg) was in the trunk and/or back seat (rear suspension compressed). I called it in as a possible VBIED (Vehicle Bourne Improvised Explosive Device), and Idiot Major ordered me to have one of my men go up and "Look in the Window of the Car to Confirm it was a VBIED!" My face showed how angry I was! Before I could frame an appropriate reply (on the Recorded channel for BN HQ, because I was requesting EOD); a fellow NCO blew up the vehicle with an AT-4! Secondary explosions were loud enough that HQ more than 10 km away heard, and the Major was yelling, demanding to know "WTF!" Calmly I told him I could Confirm it was a VBIED! The major was quite Pissed, however, he realized he would be even More Stupid to complain to our Superiors that I refused to order one of my soldiers, or myself walk up to a VBIED and look inside!
"Lauren" in this scene really is named Lauren, she's a stuntwoman with some acting background. I remember working with her briefly when she was trying to break into the film industry doing a bunch of production assistant atuff before she moved into stunts. Cool chick.
"I have never heard of anything as unprofessional. There's an old infantry rule: Don't bunch up." A former CIA case officer. Source - Wikipedia (for what that's worth). I have verified the "don't bunch up" rule though.
Than you so much for upload this scene, but it's incomplete. The scene ends with Maya promising she will destroy the terrorists... Jessica Chastain shines with those lines.
I remember when the news of this tragedy broke in news cycle. I still think about this woman and her kids. Especially as the Taliban have retaken Afghanistan.
@_ terrorism ka majhab nahi hota h but ISLAM ke andar asi kuch cheeje hn jo violence provoke karti hn . Aise jitne concepts hn unhe hata dena chaiye . Aisa q h ki sab terrorists allah hoo akbar bolte hn ...kabhi kisi terrorist ko suna h bolte huye "jai shree ram" ???....nahi suna na ...q nahi suna ye sochne ki jarurat h
And another thing that stuck with me, the first time i saw this movie, is the soundtrack. It's so beautiful, always underlying the scene but never overpowering it.
Chapman was named after SFC Chapman who was killed during Operation Anaconda March of 2002 in Paktia Province, Afghanistan. He was leading a number of trucks filled with fighters recruited by the US. His convoy was struck by an AC-130..by mistake. A number of others were killed also. Chapman is in Khost Province near Salerno which is an operational base..at that time with elements of the 82nd. Chapman became a launch point for CIA and other operations along the Pakistan Border. This tragic incident was the highest death toll since the bombing of the embassy in Beirut years earlier. North of Chapman as due west was where Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire. Afgh/2003-4 05/11A
Are you sure? because im pretty sure he died while his seal team were trying to recover one of there lost squad members who's body was positioned near multiple bunkers on a mountain filled with terrorist. maybe we are thinking of different chapmans??
Its very sad and tragic that 7 people got killed.but Why the hell you folks were there at first place...even now you are leaving practicaly handing over the whole cou try to same taliban guys...so why did you even went there...killed innocent people and got killed...sad sad state of afairs when we see the outcome of the so caled war on teror...hope the peace prevails
It doesn't make sense.....if a security search might spook them, it would spook them just as much inside! And if they get spooked by a security search, that's very suspicious!
@Ariel Traasdahl I had a very violent prolonged near death exp. Simply put dont sweat the small stuff , everything is small stuff. Btw you are long winded and never had this exp so stfu
So absolutely true!! That’s what’s really so tragic about this whole movie. It’s amazing to me how the CIA and Hollywood create a propaganda film that glorifies our presence in the Middle East as if the U.S. is the hero to the rescue. I never looked to anyone of these people as heroes at all. The Western presence is a continuation of the Crusades. Nothing has changed…It’s simply the West stealing the resources of another weaker nation. And what does it really all boil down to…real estate…OIL!!! Black Gold!! and a bunch of Westerners trying to advance their government careers all in the name of selling them “cheap democracy.”
🤔 I think the blonde was the person that called to Langley to report all months of investigation just went to shit together with about 10 operators, including the chief of operations... just I hope she stay happy in her home💐😌
While they're telling the guy to take his hand out, I think I saw her in the right-background running away from the scene, so it looks like she could have survived. Based on that, I think you might be right!
Great part in the movie, even though they know he will do this all they can think about is their careers. Very telling. I kept thinking of scorpions and turtles. "Good cause", lol.
Wow so the real life footage of this is more disturbing? Who would've guessed the real thing is more disturbing than the re-enactment!? Please share any other enlightening wisdom....
I always hated how this so called "professional" acted like a little kid that is excited for Christmas, and completely ignored all safety procedures, not only endangering herself but also others who actually would follow the procedure.
Prefer military, Special Forces or CIA paramilitary officers not this civilian desk jockey who has never been shot at never had trial by fire so yeah they're all dead cuz of her because she thought that this was just some other guy you get info out of without knowing the risks our dangers
Ehh, I can understand your feelings given the scene, but don't conflate this with the real experience of many CIA officers. I can assure you alot of those "civilian desk jockeys" are fairly experienced and have more time deployed abroad than many service members (and many of them are veterans themselves). And while they aren't front line troops, they have definitely faced their fair share of danger. Also, if you've watched the movie, you know that Jessica had 1) survived a car bombing earlier in the film and 2) had spent alot of time developing al-Balawi as a potential source. So the "never been shot at" and the "bag and tag" comments are off base.
@@pwnage1731 despite those with some experience as you say I would still prefer if agents work with Delta, Devgru or CIA Black Ops if high-risk situations like this occur
What about all the blood on your hands? The Vietnamese, iraqi, afghans etc who have died in the name of American imperialism. Bet you don’t give a fig about that.
@@niceguy6152 All western nations have that blood on there hands. The reason the middle east is what it is today is the westerns fault. First in the name of a made up god now in the name of money.
@@weareworkingonit Well it is a cycle I suppose certain period in history where the "west" has been the backwards shit hole and the Middle East the flourishing civilization and vice versa one can only wonder when the the west will disintegrate or become the shithole again.
They should’ve let him come in through the first gate and then blocked it then he couldn’t have left and they could’ve searched him just inside the perimeter and never let him into the heart of the base And he couldn’t have took off and if he had nothing to hide or anything on him then he can proceed to completely ignore him all the way in is ridiculous
Could've, should've, would've; but I think a tactic that would've worked in this situation is to put the driver at ease by opening up the gates, but as soon as he passes the first gate, close it and put troops behind him, like an ambush. Then conduct a search or engage as required.
The first time I watched it, and I was too young to know about Camp Champan, I totally did not expect that. When I watched the movie for the second time - you start to understand what they were going for. You know how it is going to end, you know that the fucker was a triple agent, and so you start to feel the tension. The whole build-up is painfully slow, the cake, the instructions, waiting and waiting, painfully long ride to the building. And then - conclusion. And the whole time you just know what is going to happen - but you have to sit through that pain. AMazing
That’s what happens when you get complacent in a warzone. I can get why they just let him in since they thought he was a trustworthy source it’s just unfortunate that their trust was betrayed.
@@weslouis5643 Yeah, I'm not sure if a lot of people in this comments section are aware that this movie is based on actual events and these actors were portraying real Americans who were really murdered by jihadist trash.
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NEVER, NEVER, ignore security procedures.
@Jeffrey Brannon that's easy for you to say, most likely never having been in a position where you're trying to get very sensitive information from a source, where some degree of trust is necessary in order to demonstrate faith in them. It was a calculated gamble that sadly didn't pay off, however on countless other occasions it has worked...or they wouldn't do it...
Put a bullet through the engine block otherwise have a Blackhawk Pursuit him
@@niceguy6152 edgy stuff
@@niceguy6152 Unfortunately for you the CIA has accomplished some impressive strategic goals regardless of whether or not it suffers casualties from amongst it's employees, who of course are more than aware of the risks that come with their line of work. When you grow up from the edgy phase of your youth you'll figure that out, it's a drop in the bucket.
If it’s a drop in the bucket then you wouldn’t mind if there were many more drop in the buckets? We can certainly help you with that.
I see people pointing out inaccuracies and saying this wouldn’t happen in real life but the fact is this is exactly what happened in this real life incident
Exactly, I served at FOB Salerno which was basically walking distance away from Chapman and this was very real.
@@dougo753 OSB was just a scapegoat, if he even existed at all, my eyes were open before they got everybody to believe aluminum can cut through steel
@@dougo753 when where you at Salerno?
@@ssgus3682 11-12 so not long after this, the memory was fresh for sure. Did you spend time in old "Rocket City" also?
@@dougo753 yeah way back in 2003.
"Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt."
That shot with black cat running followed by detail on wave of sand was the classic movie sign of something bad to come.
@@tatumergo3931 i read that they had a cat on site during filming and that the handlers couldnt get him to run across on cue, so the cat was added in CGI post pro
@@Defender78 I read they spent three weeks filming a black cat run across a road then added the rest of the world in post :P
The CIA and Jordinian Intelligence both trusted hima nd vouched for him, he had fed them a lot of actionable intel in the past. He was waved through security because he was trusted, and as a sign of respect. Unfortunately he wasnt nearly as trustworthy as thought.
That was the first intelligent comment I read here in this video.
@@calito44 thanks, honestly I was just pointing it out because the movie painted the CIA officer as naive and negligent. But the truth is many high level intelligence people thought this guy was playing ball.
@Harry Harry oh I agree, security procedures only work if followed. But my point was that this wasnt the fault of some naive incompetent CIA officer. This was a multi tiered failure.
in that line of work u never trust an outsider...
Whoops si daisy
This is what happens when you put feelings ahead of logic.
@@JohnnyAlspaugh Couldn't say it better myself.
@HitlerActually Nope. The truth is CIA and Jordanian Intelligence both trusted the guy so they let him through.
@@JohnnyAlspaugh Nothing to do with women in charge of security though.
I mean we have an emotionally unstable president who is president now. He is even worse than a woman on period.
The current country's state is what happens when you put feelings ahead of logic.
You elected a man-child who is dementia, incapable of being coherent or even read a report.
The whole world knows you elected him based on your feelings. Just feelings. So don't give crap about women please.
@@martintsanov4341 I mean you have Trump as president. The most emotionally unstable president ever.
@@sleepyearth I am talking about military, I don't think being a president requires discipline and skill.
Big red flag when the perp is okay with getting searched inside the compound but not at the checkpoint.
At that stage the 'perp' was actually a potential high value intelligence asset.
bs government greed. As a uniform I would have said no F'n way. He gets out of the car, gets searched outside of the FOB and again inside while the car is searched.
RIP Scott Roberson, Jeremy Wise, and Dane Paresi. American heroes who should still be here today.
Agree friend
Heroes for aiding war crimes?
@@jonnybirchyboy1560 WaR cRiMeS 😖
@@krispybananaz no sympathy for cia
I would’ve smacked her in the afterlife
1 skip in procedures. ONE.
This is exactly why you don't skip the stuff that ALLOWS you to survive in the first place, in ANY category, personal group or global.
Rules over health and safety are always written in blood. Domestic or military.
Being late, stopping short when they noticed gate security, the lack of a sally port, allowing 100% entry into the area without being cleared, the vehicle suspension sagging for no visible reason… all of these things were screaming out at me but the black cat crossing in front of the car was the thing that got an audible “Oh fuck” out of me.
I remember watching this movie for the first time. I could tell right off the bat that something in this scene would go wrong. I have to say, it’s a terrific scene because it feels so bad. This is truly a terrifying scene, especially when you think about how it happened in real life.
The black cat running in front of the car signaled it.
the music signals it too.
the flag is flying backwards in the first scene
I remembered listening to the news about this when it happened. Crazy.
It’s a good watch
Zero Dark Thirty is one of the best films ever made.
In the top 1,000 of all time for sure.
@@vladimirhorowitz 😂 great comment
@@brendanwalsh826 I'm being a bit cheeky, Zero Dark Thirty is a fantastic film. Top 1000 is a pretty big achievement when you're going up against Bergman, Hitchcock, Godard, Fellini, Kurosawa, Rosselini, Tarkovsky, Ford, etc. I had no idea how many amazing films were actually out there until I downloaded the They Shoot Pictures Don't They list of 20,000 greatest films of all time.
@@vladimirhorowitz top 1000 is maybe a bit too much but its very good
@@hasnanr3417 Yeah, it's at #2,006 right now on the list, but this movie checked all the boxes for what I like to see on screen at least for me.
5:40 BLONDE SHORTY SAID IGHT IMA HEAD OUT 🏃♀️
Smartest person in the scene was a blonde. Tells you all you need to know about the CIA.
Lauren was the smartest reporter lol
Shows not all blondes R dumb af lol.
She still bought it. "Lauren" was based on Elizabeth Hanson. She did not clear the blast zone in time.
@@flankspeed gold comment 😂😂😂
I can imagine the vehicle search rules were drastically altered after this. On the bases I deployed to in Iraq, not a single vehicle was allowed through the gates that wasn't thoroughly searched. On one base it occasionally caused miles of backed up truck traffic, but that was the cost of not dying via VBIED inside your own wire. Seeing an unsearched car rolling up on them gave me serious cringes.
Thank you for your service
which cars would they search? u mean they'd search their own military vehicles too or just other cars?
@@kevincorrigan1754 every single vehicle, military or otherwise
@@amahana6188 why would the homies put VBIED's in their own Humvees, lol.
@@kevincorrigan1754 not all us military vehicles are driven by us personnel.
Didn’t they hear the mournful music playing in contrast to the team’s excitement and expectations and know right then that something bad and expectation-confounding was going to happen? And the black cat crossing the road too ffs. I mean it couldn’t have been more telegraphed what was going to happen.
😂😂😂😂😂👍🏻
Haha😂
This is a well know attack even before the movie released. Most knew it already, I guess.
It's called foreshadowing
Feelings get everyone killed.
Why you acting like you’ve done this before?
What's the point of having a security checkpoint if you're just going to let people into the base without screening them for weapons or explosives.
Because some american probs in a shirt and tie back home said they cud
BINGO!!!
Security has often been far too lax on US bases for a very long time. I used to get on an RAF TAC base in the '80s by waving my open wallet at the windshield as I passed at about 20 mph. I knew they couldn't read it or identify it at that speed and they sure couldn't ID the three KGB in the car with me. Now, I didn't have, but any passengers with me never had to show ID. Clearly, that was just wrong.
He was a well trusted source for the CIA and Jordan, he had delivered previous actionable intelligence and gave out target info for multiple wanted suspects... he basically sacrificed lower level members, or tribal rivals in order to gain trust... I'm just guessing but he probably gave intelligence to have 20+ people killed/captured just so he could get close to high level Americans... 7 gold stars in one day is far too many 🙁
We have a border between US and Mexico and...........
Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug.
Jennifer Ehle, the lead actress in this scene, is outstanding. I believe she is British (in real life). She's not extremely well known to the general public; but she is among the professionals.
She's American/English, English mother and spent a lot of time in both countries growing up. I would recommend the 1995 BBC version of Pride and Prejudice, she's excellent in that,
@@johnbull1568 She's also fantastic in the film adaptation of Possession.
Don't know how accurate this scene is but her telling him how to run security is a big mistake. It cost her life and others. Procedures and protocols are in place for a reason..you just can't ignore it because you think someone is special. May those who died RIP.
She was wrong to ask. He was doubly wrong for giving in. He knew better. At least she died too.
Just watched an interview with one of the CIA guys in charge of this. He talked about how people asked if the Officers who made the errors would be punished, and he said they already had in a sense - they were killed by their own mistakes.
Its pretty accurate. Thats what happened. Security told 2 stand down apparently
Never never skip security procedures
Complacency kills
Stupidity kills
Because she was incongruously smiling so much, I knew what was coming. That's a standard clue in movies that something bad is about to happen. Kinda like the perfect family, hugging and kissing, with children playing, right before the bad guy blows them away.
"It's not just about you"
Far as I’m concerned, dude gets one warning to take his hand out of his pocket after which it’s time for a 9 and 5.56 shower to persuade him to reconsider
if it was a deadman’s switch, which it likely was, chances are, it wouldn’t have made a single damn difference
Two others in the car were probably insurance for this. They were all dead either way.
His ONE WARNING should've been getting examined at the initial checkpoint. She sentenced several & herself to death w/ her stupidity.
This comment section is like trying to enjoy a cup of coffee but the table next to you is a Monday Morning Quarterbacks club meeting.
Lol seriously. Everyone calling veteran CIA analysts idiots who don't know anything about security procedures, while they sit at their keyboard in the suburbs helping themselves to their third soda and bag of Funyuns.
@@vladimirhorowitz This guy gets it.
"I would've stopped the bomber and retroactively prevented 9/11 if id have been there 😤"
Imagine sucking CIA teet.
4:38 A black cat crosses the road. Talk about bad luck.
shoulda been a sign.
in japan it means good luck
@@louiselavigne5085 we bombed Japan
@@alanjacob4764 wha-
@@alanjacob4764 bro ☠️😭
#1 if you ever hear a Arab guy say “allah akbar” RUN
If you’re close enough to hear that, you’re probably dead already.
fear no evil
@Parris ofTroy resurrection Salvation Acept that you are forgive and believe in The Lord
@Ricky THEY WILL HUNT HIM DOWN LIKE A DOG AND RAMBAR FUBAR HIM
Allah Akbar means god is great. It's an extremely common phrase in their culture. It doesn't mean they are about to blow up.
5:40 she heard “allahu akbar” and got tf out. Smart.
Never ever trust your enemies..
If a secret/double agent is at all "good" he/she should understand that a certain distrust/caution must attach to them....
That was unexpected, well, kind of. And it just happened so fast. Like, WHOOSH, BOOM, and they were gone! That's what makes this an incredible scene.
From my 30 years of KGB and FBI cyber warfare experience on Mars, I can tell you they didn’t check the guy for explosives.
This is why you smack the crap out of the civvy who tells you to back down on security.
Well technically she wasn’t a civvy- in fact, she might’ve been on par with authority being the CIA asset she is, but still, fatal failure of security.
CIA aren't civilians, buddy.
failtolawl actually neither cia nor any police are considered military and cannot render nor deserve salutes of any type
@@failtolawl Military & naval personnel may be required to cooperate with CIA/OGA, show them respect, even cooperate with their requests. While I did take some calculated risks, and bent some rules & procedures, I would Not violate Essential Security Measures. That resulted in some displeasure, and refusal for some OGA to work with me (or for me to be included in their ops); I did have to explain my reasons, and I cited SOP/Tactics and Techniques that were NOT to be violated. It may have cost me a promotion, and some opportunities. Yet, I continued serving in SOCCOM, and received good NCOERs.
A couple of times I got some "talking to" but, never officially reprimanded. A couple of times I expected possible "blow-back" and it didn't happen. Sometimes their risks paid off... sometimes people were killed or wounded.
Some people are willing to take Foolish Risks just to be part of the "Cool Kids" I am NOT!
I followed orders, and definitely took risks, above and beyond what was required, but I am NOT a hero, just a Professional doing my Duty.
While on foot patrol, we discovered a sedan, something "heavy" (SWAG 350-750 kg) was in the trunk and/or back seat (rear suspension compressed). I called it in as a possible VBIED (Vehicle Bourne Improvised Explosive Device), and Idiot Major ordered me to have one of my men go up and "Look in the Window of the Car to Confirm it was a VBIED!"
My face showed how angry I was! Before I could frame an appropriate reply (on the Recorded channel for BN HQ, because I was requesting EOD); a fellow NCO blew up the vehicle with an AT-4!
Secondary explosions were loud enough that HQ more than 10 km away heard, and the Major was yelling, demanding to know "WTF!"
Calmly I told him I could Confirm it was a VBIED!
The major was quite Pissed, however, he realized he would be even More Stupid to complain to our Superiors that I refused to order one of my soldiers, or myself walk up to a VBIED and look inside!
That's a man who takes blowing out the candles on a cake seriously
"Lauren" in this scene really is named Lauren, she's a stuntwoman with some acting background. I remember working with her briefly when she was trying to break into the film industry doing a bunch of production assistant atuff before she moved into stunts. Cool chick.
"I have never heard of anything as unprofessional. There's an old infantry rule: Don't bunch up."
A former CIA case officer. Source - Wikipedia (for what that's worth). I have verified the "don't bunch up" rule though.
4:38 that black cat.. what a way to shoot this scene and indicate the audience that something is about to happen
Shoulda sent little Ms "This is different" out there to meet 'em and search 'em. If she can't handle that, she shouldn't be running Ops.
Yeah, as if you know thing one about CIA interactions. Stand down, moron.
CIA funded taliban and al qaeda/ISIS. Got killed by their own explosives. Whooops.
@@rockrugbyref Cool. So what do YOU know then, Mr. Tactical High Speed?
@@rockrugbyref dude shut the fuck up. she got 6 people killed because she got too excited and ignored security procedures
Dude shut the fuck up. You don't know enough to know you don't know enough.
Than you so much for upload this scene, but it's incomplete. The scene ends with Maya promising she will destroy the terrorists... Jessica Chastain shines with those lines.
don't know if Lauren hightailed it out fast enough but she certainly tried
she didnt
The black cat gave the scene away for me.
Yup
I remember when the news of this tragedy broke in news cycle. I still think about this woman and her kids. Especially as the Taliban have retaken Afghanistan.
I do hope anybody watching this is taking notes.
when she said, "this is different, I'm sorry, I can't explain", that was a recipe for failure.
4:36 perfect black cat, btw.
Most feared words of this century
"Alla hoo akbar"
@_ 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@_ terrorism ka majhab nahi hota h but ISLAM ke andar asi kuch cheeje hn jo violence provoke karti hn . Aise jitne concepts hn unhe hata dena chaiye .
Aisa q h ki sab terrorists allah hoo akbar bolte hn ...kabhi kisi terrorist ko suna h bolte huye "jai shree ram" ???....nahi suna na ...q nahi suna ye sochne ki jarurat h
I still don't get how this movie lost to Argo.
And another thing that stuck with me, the first time i saw this movie, is the soundtrack. It's so beautiful, always underlying the scene but never overpowering it.
When you are too thirsty for what a source is supposedly providing... and break routine protocols
Never throw a birthday party for the Taliban
Barring that, don't leave them any presents.
they always take blowing the candles out a bit too literal..
In the back you see the one girl running away. I want to know if she survived.....
Chapman was named after SFC Chapman who was killed during Operation Anaconda March of 2002 in Paktia Province, Afghanistan. He was leading a number of
trucks filled with fighters recruited by the US. His convoy was struck by an AC-130..by mistake. A number of others were killed also. Chapman is in Khost Province near Salerno which is an operational base..at that time with elements of the 82nd. Chapman became a launch point for CIA and other operations along the Pakistan Border. This tragic incident was the highest death toll since the bombing of the embassy in Beirut years earlier. North of Chapman as due west was where Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire. Afgh/2003-4 05/11A
Are you sure? because im pretty sure he died while his seal team were trying to recover one of there lost squad members who's body was positioned near multiple bunkers on a mountain filled with terrorist. maybe we are thinking of different chapmans??
@@Nic-ku8bm He sounds confused, perhaps he was referring to camp Chapman and lost the plot midway
We do not care
Crazy that this incident really happened, RIP
Famous last words .....stand down !
Moral of story here
You Never ever Stand Down Ever
5:41 The definition of, "My college degree clearly isn't paying off."
I just noticed the black cat crossing the street just before the car meets up with the team. Nice touch.
Was right next door in Salerno when this happened. Sad sad day.
Its very sad and tragic that 7 people got killed.but Why the hell you folks were there at first place...even now you are leaving practicaly handing over the whole cou try to same taliban guys...so why did you even went there...killed innocent people and got killed...sad sad state of afairs when we see the outcome of the so caled war on teror...hope the peace prevails
It doesn't make sense.....if a security search might spook them, it would spook them just as much inside! And if they get spooked by a security search, that's very suspicious!
If only you had been there, maybe you could've stopped 9/11 too
Blonde girl knew to run without thinking about it.
Good eye. I never noticed that.
She too died. Blonde girl is supposed to be Elizabeth Hanson
Procedures only work when we follow them everytime
Thus the Mistress of Pemberly, Lady Elizabeth Darcy (nee Bennett), was blown away.
She baked him a cake, SURPRISE!
Never compromise your safety for Bureaucrats...
The ole "good cause" routine!!!
you can never defeat someone who not afraid to die..... - unknown
@Ariel Traasdahl I had a very violent prolonged near death exp. Simply put dont sweat the small stuff , everything is small stuff. Btw you are long winded and never had this exp so stfu
the blonde ran right away
She knew what the fuck was up. Unfortunately, just a moment to late.
She was from Oklahoma very used to this type of shit
This scene always makes me mad. They totally didn't follow protocol and it costs lives. It's war time. Trust is reserved for the person next to you.
Still remember the first time seeing this and catching the blonde booking it while thinking "fuuuuu, she'll never fuckin make it..." :(
We had NO IDEA what we had gotten ourselves into. This highlights that nievety.
So absolutely true!! That’s what’s really so tragic about this whole movie. It’s amazing to me how the CIA and Hollywood create a propaganda film that glorifies our presence in the Middle East as if the U.S. is the hero to the rescue. I never looked to anyone of these people as heroes at all. The Western presence is a continuation of the Crusades. Nothing has changed…It’s simply the West stealing the resources of another weaker nation. And what does it really all boil down to…real estate…OIL!!! Black Gold!! and a bunch of Westerners trying to advance their government careers all in the name of selling them “cheap democracy.”
🤔 I think the blonde was the person that called to Langley to report all months of investigation just went to shit together with about 10 operators, including the chief of operations... just I hope she stay happy in her home💐😌
While they're telling the guy to take his hand out, I think I saw her in the right-background running away from the scene, so it looks like she could have survived. Based on that, I think you might be right!
@@ScottyShaw Everything is possible is this type of operations 🤙👍.
@@ScottyShaw she was killed
@@dragonstalk86Was it said that she was killed ? Maybe she was just injured (I hope so)
@@UnicornPizza they were all killed
Oh the amount of people that have been in Afghanistan let alone the amount that have stepped on FOB Chpaman is amazing in these comments
Great part in the movie, even though they know he will do this all they can think about is their careers. Very telling.
I kept thinking of scorpions and turtles. "Good cause", lol.
The real video of the explosion is even more disturbing.
Soucre or link please?
Wow so the real life footage of this is more disturbing? Who would've guessed the real thing is more disturbing than the re-enactment!?
Please share any other enlightening wisdom....
@Odin they have a point though
Man: we have security protocols.
Chick taking a moment to stop texting: He's my friend! Leave him alone!
... wonder how this is going to go
This scene was co-sponsored by Pakistan Corp 🇵🇰 . Stop the "Aid Dollars" now
Trust me , I have no real world experiences... but , emotions..
well i can definitly say aint nothing like this will ever happen again aint no one breaking protocol like that
Never turn your back on anyone, you never know their true motive.
I always hated how this so called "professional" acted like a little kid that is excited for Christmas, and completely ignored all safety procedures, not only endangering herself but also others who actually would follow the procedure.
What on earth is a mother of three doing taking that assignment in the first place? Let alone soccer mom-ing it up.
Got played and got dead. Now that's a legacy.
I can’t believe these operators don’t know how to wear a drop leg holster.
they are actors...pretending
@@robertkennion9020 Judging by alot of the comments here. Alot of people don't understand this.
@@robertkennion9020 if you’re gonna go all out making it look real real with the gear, at least wear it correctly.
@@CableDawg496 The point still stands... they are not "operators". They are actors.
Yeah I don't know if you know this or not but this is a movie and movies have whats called actors.
Prefer military, Special Forces or CIA paramilitary officers not this civilian desk jockey who has never been shot at never had trial by fire so yeah they're all dead cuz of her because she thought that this was just some other guy you get info out of without knowing the risks our dangers
Ehh, I can understand your feelings given the scene, but don't conflate this with the real experience of many CIA officers. I can assure you alot of those "civilian desk jockeys" are fairly experienced and have more time deployed abroad than many service members (and many of them are veterans themselves). And while they aren't front line troops, they have definitely faced their fair share of danger.
Also, if you've watched the movie, you know that Jessica had 1) survived a car bombing earlier in the film and 2) had spent alot of time developing al-Balawi as a potential source. So the "never been shot at" and the "bag and tag" comments are off base.
@@pwnage1731 despite those with some experience as you say I would still prefer if agents work with Delta, Devgru or CIA Black Ops if high-risk situations like this occur
:DRAMA BEFORE DUTY:
Today's Friend is Tomorrow's Enemy
How could they not see that coming!!! Ahh makes me angry
What about all the blood on your hands? The Vietnamese, iraqi, afghans etc who have died in the name of American imperialism. Bet you don’t give a fig about that.
@@niceguy6152 All western nations have that blood on there hands. The reason the middle east is what it is today is the westerns fault. First in the name of a made up god now in the name of money.
Well, you're watching a movie. They were actually doing the act. Enjoy your lazy boy.
@@weareworkingonit Well it is a cycle I suppose certain period in history where the "west" has been the backwards shit hole and the Middle East the flourishing civilization and vice versa one can only wonder when the the west will disintegrate or become the shithole again.
They should’ve let him come in through the first gate and then blocked it then he couldn’t have left and they could’ve searched him just inside the perimeter and never let him into the heart of the base And he couldn’t have took off and if he had nothing to hide or anything on him then he can proceed to completely ignore him all the way in is ridiculous
Could've, should've, would've; but I think a tactic that would've worked in this situation is to put the driver at ease by opening up the gates, but as soon as he passes the first gate, close it and put troops behind him, like an ambush. Then conduct a search or engage as required.
They weren’t capturing the guy 😂. Shoulda just stuck to standard procedure.
@@Mdautkreix I believe they were short on guards that day but decided to push forward anyway.
Only someone with something to hide would not want to be checked.
The first time I watched it, and I was too young to know about Camp Champan, I totally did not expect that. When I watched the movie for the second time - you start to understand what they were going for. You know how it is going to end, you know that the fucker was a triple agent, and so you start to feel the tension. The whole build-up is painfully slow, the cake, the instructions, waiting and waiting, painfully long ride to the building. And then - conclusion. And the whole time you just know what is going to happen - but you have to sit through that pain. AMazing
Jessica Chastain was great in Zero Dark Thirty!
Music seems sadder than the event
The foreshadowing from Hollywood is amazing. Did anyone see the “black cat” cross in front of the car?
Probably just a cultural misunderstanding guys.
LOL
When somebody says allah-hu-akbar, you better run........
Damn a solid movie
its unbeleivable that a bunch of through professionals messed it up
That’s what happens when you get complacent in a warzone. I can get why they just let him in since they thought he was a trustworthy source it’s just unfortunate that their trust was betrayed.
i particularly enjoy how the SMART ppl are the ones who always mess things up.....but hey what does a grunt know vs some Langley Desk jockey
That’s a weird thing to enjoy
Perfect example of results from not following SOP
@@weslouis5643 Yeah, I'm not sure if a lot of people in this comments section are aware that this movie is based on actual events and these actors were portraying real Americans who were really murdered by jihadist trash.
Force protection team failed from the moment the source arrived.
No they didn’t...the Base Chief over ruled them. RIP Scott Roberson.
@@RamadiTaxiDriver60M Dane Paresi and Jeremy Wise, RIP. Brave hero’s who did their job to protect America.
@@johncurtis6815 yes sir, served with them.
@@RamadiTaxiDriver60M Did you?! Where?
@@johncurtis6815 we were on same program.
SF protection refers to service financial providers
Some lesson you could have only learn once.