I’ve been a nier main since day one and these nerfs were all deserved but here’s my hot take…removing the armor on M misfortune was all she needed to remove the unblockable set ups because if you did a brave counter nier would get hit then either beat death because you got Nier, or you’d hit Death and disable her meaning nier gets nothing for it. I understand that with stuff like fatal waltz M and M death, reversed and even M ominous turn could technically set up these situations like death pushing the enemy to nier…but even then you can’t guard crush someone in blockstun. Obviously though she wouldn’t always have them in blockstun so these could still work…I think all they should’ve done is just, remove the armor from the M misfortune if anything especially cause you could actually safe jump her EX misfortune. My biggest complaint though is that now she can’t even do raging strikes while death is disabled. I’ve lost games because of this, but it’s good that she can still combo into death reversed 5U. That’s the only thing I’d really wanna see changed from this patch, either way I’m not giving up on her.
22:25 100%. I've been on a Narmaya saga, but I normally always go for the puppet character since I like horror duos (Enchantress, grew up playing Zato, Lieselotte, ect). Early on, we're the ones usually slept on as we scale up, and Grapplers/Zoners + usually 1 Shoto get put on trial. Imo, they made Nier OP intentionally, because they wanted to maximize her debut, which obviously worked. She 100% helped sell copies. It's like they wanted newcomers to be able to get giga results without learning both characters sufficiently, which longterm/high-level wise, makes absolutely no sense. The funny part is that she still went from #1 played, to around half in March, and on the latter half after nerfs as I predicted. I'm really glad she's gotten nerfed though because as cool as most of us can agree she is, her gameplay ended up very stale to watch in a tournament setting. We luckily got to see a plethora of other picks do well, but when she got going, or there were mirrors in finals, I couldn't blame anyone for eye rolling. You want characters you love to get the credit they deserve when they win. I support this direction 100%. Also memes aside, I doubt she's anywhere near as bad as Zato. She's just going to take a lot more skill, which she should've in the first place, but they straight up shot Zato. I'm still trying to find that one Spongebob meme where Eddie is Plankton with X's in his eyes.
@@cdmangaka LOL yeah! I knew your thumbnail was for the memes, for clarity. TW doesn't know what's going on so some really believe it. Funny enough, if Nier was released intentionally OP, that line of text about fixing Ferry because she makes skill discrepancies feel polarizing, starts to make sense. There's just some things you can't can't change because it's a class thing. But then that makes it stranger they didn't hold back on Metera and Ladiva.
Great vid as always! As a whole I do like this rework and honestly am surprised they were to this extent. My only qualm (speaking as someone who doesnt main nier) is that she should probably be able to use raging strike when death is on cooldown. Maybe reduce its reach when death is on cd?
These videos are really useful as someone who's thinking about getting back into the game but also holy smokes there's clipping wings and then there's this.
fantastic video, thank you for putting this all together!! i’m horrible at these games but i’m still gonna try to play nier because she’s cool i am going to still be ass tho
I don’t like raging strikes, for any character. But as much as i hate it, removing a system mechanic from a character sometimes is just a baffling balance decision. Having death had no mechanical effect on raging strikes, why does it now? I've spitballed a lot of silly balance ideas, but just don't let them use universal mechanics lol never crossed my mind.
Seems like all they needed to do was have each move cost a stock and hitting her aloe costs a stock, maybe two that seems like it would have been enough to make her function like other puppet characters. This is overkill.
I just can't with Nier's character as a whole. She literally only screams while holding her head and the puppet flails arms wildly. I'll be glad to see less of her.
if death is on cooldown nier can't raging strike/chain and has no specials, and to do anything relevant she has to use at least 7/8 stacks. she unironically can't play granblue for half the match. nerfs were needed but this is just lame. I'll play her because waifu but I hate this design direction :(
The stack consumption nerf were uncalled for, there was no reason to make L/M specials cost a stock. Comboing the opponent is unironically bad for Nier now because she's straight up a punching bag during her recharge. The only time you wanna dump her stocks for a combo now is when you can kill, otherwise she can only do poke -> special -> recall and play SF2 while others play GBVSR.
You just play her wrong. I would advise watching some Master / Grand Master (Beside Luka-.- who is a Nier Main carried by his stupid lag) and they use the new 5U to mitigate the cooldown on death and keep their pressure going. Also now you have to be mindful about how you place your puppet so you don't have to unsummon it right away. But yeah. Character is far from dead it just ask you to think which was something she didn't need to do before.
The only thing I agree with is that I wish they kept the ability for her to use Raging Strike when Death is on cool down, just cuz otherwise she has no way to spend meter but otside of that tho this rework is fantastic as they acually made her into a propper puppet character that has to menage her resources.
Man, I got a little excited hearing they were reworking her. She was so 1 dimensional and boring to play in comparison to real puppet characters. Instead they just made her 1 dimensional and bad. Still not touching this game I guess.
really good breakdown video there and I really glad see my art here lollll😭💞
LMFAO THE THUMBNAIL
also weird cut at 4:39
The fact the entire fgc agreed without so much as saying a word that Nier now works at McDonalds, and Zato is her manager is so funny to me🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just put the fries in the bag bro.
LOL
your breakdowns are great! you also got such a good voice for these and greatly detailed, keep it up man!
“Can’t wait to see what nier players cook up now” they already dropped her brother lol
Haha I knew that was going to be the thumbnail. So glad that Nier is finally toned down and made a normal character.
I’ve been a nier main since day one and these nerfs were all deserved but here’s my hot take…removing the armor on M misfortune was all she needed to remove the unblockable set ups because if you did a brave counter nier would get hit then either beat death because you got Nier, or you’d hit Death and disable her meaning nier gets nothing for it. I understand that with stuff like fatal waltz M and M death, reversed and even M ominous turn could technically set up these situations like death pushing the enemy to nier…but even then you can’t guard crush someone in blockstun. Obviously though she wouldn’t always have them in blockstun so these could still work…I think all they should’ve done is just, remove the armor from the M misfortune if anything especially cause you could actually safe jump her EX misfortune. My biggest complaint though is that now she can’t even do raging strikes while death is disabled. I’ve lost games because of this, but it’s good that she can still combo into death reversed 5U. That’s the only thing I’d really wanna see changed from this patch, either way I’m not giving up on her.
22:25 100%. I've been on a Narmaya saga, but I normally always go for the puppet character since I like horror duos (Enchantress, grew up playing Zato, Lieselotte, ect). Early on, we're the ones usually slept on as we scale up, and Grapplers/Zoners + usually 1 Shoto get put on trial. Imo, they made Nier OP intentionally, because they wanted to maximize her debut, which obviously worked. She 100% helped sell copies.
It's like they wanted newcomers to be able to get giga results without learning both characters sufficiently, which longterm/high-level wise, makes absolutely no sense. The funny part is that she still went from #1 played, to around half in March, and on the latter half after nerfs as I predicted.
I'm really glad she's gotten nerfed though because as cool as most of us can agree she is, her gameplay ended up very stale to watch in a tournament setting. We luckily got to see a plethora of other picks do well, but when she got going, or there were mirrors in finals, I couldn't blame anyone for eye rolling. You want characters you love to get the credit they deserve when they win. I support this direction 100%.
Also memes aside, I doubt she's anywhere near as bad as Zato. She's just going to take a lot more skill, which she should've in the first place, but they straight up shot Zato. I'm still trying to find that one Spongebob meme where Eddie is Plankton with X's in his eyes.
Oh yeah she certainly didn't get gutted like Zato did. Zato can't even play guilty gear; now Nier finally has to play Granblue.
@@cdmangaka LOL yeah! I knew your thumbnail was for the memes, for clarity. TW doesn't know what's going on so some really believe it. Funny enough, if Nier was released intentionally OP, that line of text about fixing Ferry because she makes skill discrepancies feel polarizing, starts to make sense. There's just some things you can't can't change because it's a class thing. But then that makes it stranger they didn't hold back on Metera and Ladiva.
Great vid as always! As a whole I do like this rework and honestly am surprised they were to this extent. My only qualm (speaking as someone who doesnt main nier) is that she should probably be able to use raging strike when death is on cooldown. Maybe reduce its reach when death is on cd?
Coda will terrorize me no longer……
This is how the character should have launched tbh, she still seems good but now shes not obscenely overtuned
WHAT ARE YOU?
Really capping off the series with a proper thumbnail, I guess.
hehe
These videos are really useful as someone who's thinking about getting back into the game but also holy smokes there's clipping wings and then there's this.
fantastic video, thank you for putting this all together!! i’m horrible at these games but i’m still gonna try to play nier because she’s cool i am going to still be ass tho
Regarding the thumbnail... Nier's ears are higher place than human ears lol. Zato isn't helping.
looks like the thumbnail is working
my girl beatrix just sitting in the corner waiting :(
No way i just realized i might have fought ya. I am a lucilius named HubbyBubby
@@wgreenewgreene1022 Indeed you did! I fought 2 Luci’s today but your name was the one that I can remember lol. Ggs! I’m down for more sets
@@cdmangaka big ggs i am down for more sets as well.
I don’t like raging strikes, for any character. But as much as i hate it, removing a system mechanic from a character sometimes is just a baffling balance decision. Having death had no mechanical effect on raging strikes, why does it now?
I've spitballed a lot of silly balance ideas, but just don't let them use universal mechanics lol never crossed my mind.
Seems like all they needed to do was have each move cost a stock and hitting her aloe costs a stock, maybe two that seems like it would have been enough to make her function like other puppet characters.
This is overkill.
We love a bit in overkill
I just can't with Nier's character as a whole. She literally only screams while holding her head and the puppet flails arms wildly. I'll be glad to see less of her.
I’m dead serious I never bought this game specifically because it has some of the most annoying characters i’ve ever seen, like Nier lmfao
what game is this
if death is on cooldown nier can't raging strike/chain and has no specials, and to do anything relevant she has to use at least 7/8 stacks.
she unironically can't play granblue for half the match.
nerfs were needed but this is just lame. I'll play her because waifu but I hate this design direction :(
Your pain is music to my ears. Nier needs to suffer in repentance.
@@mrsister032 I bet ya'll play belial e.e
The stack consumption nerf were uncalled for, there was no reason to make L/M specials cost a stock.
Comboing the opponent is unironically bad for Nier now because she's straight up a punching bag during her recharge. The only time you wanna dump her stocks for a combo now is when you can kill, otherwise she can only do poke -> special -> recall and play SF2 while others play GBVSR.
You just play her wrong. I would advise watching some Master / Grand Master (Beside Luka-.- who is a Nier Main carried by his stupid lag) and they use the new 5U to mitigate the cooldown on death and keep their pressure going. Also now you have to be mindful about how you place your puppet so you don't have to unsummon it right away. But yeah. Character is far from dead it just ask you to think which was something she didn't need to do before.
The only thing I agree with is that I wish they kept the ability for her to use Raging Strike when Death is on cool down, just cuz otherwise she has no way to spend meter but otside of that tho this rework is fantastic as they acually made her into a propper puppet character that has to menage her resources.
Man, I got a little excited hearing they were reworking her. She was so 1 dimensional and boring to play in comparison to real puppet characters.
Instead they just made her 1 dimensional and bad. Still not touching this game I guess.