USS Bainbridge - Guide 283
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- The Bainbridge class, the first destroyers of the US Navy, are today's subject.
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is it the same name used by the world's first and only nuclear power destroyer ?
After the Great War, many countries had plans to convert warships into cargo ships. To my knowledge only a handful ever were: a French protected cruiser, a German coastal defense ship, and Bainbridge. Is there a list out there on successfully executed warship-to-merchant conversions of the Interwar years?
@@Guangrui Yes. It was the fourth of five named after the same man. If you note, it was originally designated as a destroyer leader (hence hull number DLGN-25.) Then the Navy started redefining cruisers, frigates and destroyers in the 60's ( which seems to continue today) and became a "cruiser (CGN-25).
3:53 Is there any advantage to a turtle deck vs a raised forecastle? Was it due to weight or seakeeping abilities?
Could we also see a video on the American Sampson class of destroyers?
US should've learned from the Japanese. Their torpedo boats could reach Europe and harrass some Russian ships no problem.
LOL!
I understood that reference!
Not with the valiant Kamchatka standing guard!
@@OfficerCharon fortunantely they were prepared, imagine what terribile disaster if the fleer hadnt reached Japan.
That's just Japanese propaganda. The truth is that Russian binoculars were so fantastic, the Kamchatka's lookouts could see Tokyo Bay from the North Sea.
I used to work at Philadelphia Electric Company's Delaware Station that was built on the site of Cramps Shipyard and they had a big picture of the Bainbridge as you walked into the lobby.
Is it the one by Penn Treaty Park?
@@WALTERBROADDUS yes
One reason they converted these high speed surplus ships into ‘Banana Boats’ is that regular refrigeratored cargo ships were nonexistent and if the East Coast Guilded age well to do wanted fresh fruit it needed to be hauled north to a rail link where it could be transshipped on refrigerated rail cars.
Hey, thats the one I bought from Chaquita and use as a ski boat. Small world.
Thanks for the great work Sir
Almost 3 different classes.
Not surprising with 6 yards building them.
Early destroyers are so cute. They really are the naval equivalent of the first biplane fighters - being small and flimsy and not really sure what their use should be, but full of potential.
They are adorable, yes.
Metal kittens.
@@spirz4557 I love that description
Tomato boat destroyers
They might have been cute, but they were hell to live on. So much so that RN's destroyermen were paid "hard lying money" to recompence them. "Hard Lying or Hard Lying Money, is a term applied to a special allowance granted by the Royal Navy, to men serving in small craft, such as destroyers, torpedo-boats, trawlers etc, to compensate for the relative discomforts of small-ship service."
It took a while, but I’m glad we’re here. Thanks for covering this ship. Great Grandpa Ed Siegrist would probably approve as he served on Bainbridge.
A Tin Can Sailor plank owner.
And the look of USS Bainbridge in that last photo shows just how narrow the beam was, sorta scary to consider her roll
i rode a couple of GreyHounds during my career. quick in, quick underway--always pierside in any port, the fatboys had to anchor out if they even visited that port!
Bainbridge Represented! as did your GGP, God Bless Him! he was on a grand lil ship!
@@mikeholton9876 family legend holds that he served in the Great White Fleet, but the earliest I can reliably place him is that he was a CPO in 1918
The fates of warships
Most ships: sold for scrap
The lucky ones: converted to a museum and still survives today
Bainbridge: Fruit hauler
From United States Navy to United Fruit Navy....
I suppose it makes a decent amount of sense, it was probably bought for scrap price, would be pretty well built for the size of ship and probably easy to get parts for
HMS Audacity and HMS Palomares: start as fruit haulers, become warships.
I remember seeing a photo with 4 or 5 WWI DDs supposedly rebuilt as fruit carriers. If it was correct and there was in fact a number of those conversions it sounds quite interesting. Maybe a potential future video?
I believe they were used since they were fast compared to other ships of the time.
@@westcoaststacker569 IIRC, the US Army purchased a couple of the Wickes class banana boat conversions to try to serve as blockade runners to the Philippines in the early days of WW2.
The Fruit Fleet? Were the sailors "fruities?
@@rogersmith7396 Tutti Fruttis, to be precise...Sailors ate a lot of beans when under way. :-P
I guess a fruit carrier is a better end that say, being converted into a floating power plant barge like some of the C.F. Adams had happen to them after their navy service
Those ancient 8' Torpedoes probably would have been more effective then the torpedoes used by the USN in the first 2 years of the war. Afterall it was an ancient Austrian torpedo that sunk the Blücher during the invasion of Norway
A bunch of destroyers were converted to "fruit freighters" from the Clemson and Wickes classes. That's where the term "banana boat" comes from. They needed the destroyer's high speed to get the crop from Central America to the US before it spoiled in the days before practical mechanical refrigeration. Trains could dump more ice into their reefer cars en-route, but the boats were stuck with what they could load before departure.
I thought bananas were not to be refrigerated.
@@robg9236 I imagine "refrigerated" meant, "not over 100 degrees F" like they would be in a steel ship in the summer in the Caribbean.
All three of the _Truxtuns_ became fruit boats as well, in which guise one of them actually took part in World War II (by towing a U-boat-torpedoed freighter to where it could be beached).
I do find early destroyer classes fascinating; the pace of evolution was breakneck and all sorts of ideas were tried
History does have these evolutionary technological outbursts which can set your head spinning.
2 torpedoes and 2 3” guns. What was the point of these again 🤣
Well, this here was an honest-to-goodness motor torpedo boat Destroyer, designed to screen larger ships from PT boats. This is how the term Destroyer came to be.
@@CorePathway "torpedo boat destroyer". Did you even watch the video?
I don't know why, but the term "Fruit Freighter" makes me snicker a little bit. Sounds like a particular niche cruise boat.
One of the most deadly German merchant raiders was originally a banana boat called Pongo.
Maybe that's what the Limeys call 'em. In God's Country, they're known as Banan Boats
Something to watch with my morning coffee. Thank you, Drach.
I enjoy these 'Not Famous' ship reports, thank you.
Those Japanese torpedo boats could even camouflage themselves to resemble British fishing trawlers LOL
Obligatory comment for the algorithm
I am finding your videos extremely interesting, especially the really early ships and ships of all nations that I never knew existed prior to discovering your channel
If you can, there are RAN 2 carriers, HMAS Melbourne (originally laid down as HMS Majestic) and HMAS Sydney (formerly HMS Terrible), that had a long, but in the case of Melbourne, infamous and tragic, history in the RAN.
Sadly Drach only covers the time up to 1950. he says that is because his expertise only goes up to that date and that he doesn't know much about missile warships. But I expect it is also because covering anything within living memory might cause disagreement and shouting between supporters of different nations. So he won't do coverage of the Korean War, Falklands War, all of the dozens(?) of spats between India and Pakistan and certainly not HMAS Melbourne, even if it wasn't a combat carrier in the Vietnam War.
@@Dave_Sisson Here ! I can remember 1949.
Drach has a video on the Majestic class already, Guide 141. Individual ship videos should follow in good time.
EXCELLENT VIDEO AS ALWAYS... but this one is even excellenter than usual because it's about the REAL navy: the Destroyer Navy! In January 1967, I was privileged to fulfill a decades long goal of being stationed aboard a destroyer, the U. S. S. John R. Craig DD 885, out of San Diego. Best duty I ever had! In fact, in December 1966, as I was rotating back Stateside from Vietnam, I put "destroyer San Diego" on all 5 lines of my dream sheet. Got some strange looks, but did get my tin can!
Fellow destroyerman here! REAL Navy!
@@dennynoname815 John R. Craig DD 885, a Gearing class, 1/67 - 7/68. QM 3. You? Haze gray and UNDERWAY.
New a guy on a destroyer in Viet Nam. Said he never had a day where he was not puking his guts out.
2:37 The cutouts for the guns to shoot forward. Did any gun crews ever hit their own ship or were there physical stops to prevent this. I could see it easily happening in the heat of battle.
I would guess they had a stop so they couldn't so that
one of the oldest electrical interlocks were developed for early electric turret motors to prevent it. it simply kills power to that direction of rotation's motor control when the trip lever struck the Limit Switch, and only permits turning back. on midships mounted turrets (ie: Brittagne) it simply disabled the fire controls when the gun was aiming at superstructure. i was a USN EM for 21 years--limit switches are all over ships, stupid-proofing equipment still to this day.
Initially, I was confused about the Bainbridge becoming a fruit freighter... And then I realized that makes perfect sense when you think about American fruit companies' relationship with countries xD
She was totally disarmed and used because of her speed
@@colbeausabre8842 like todays narco boats.
Speed for hauling perishables.
I seem to recall that the conversion involved "most of the interior", not just the guns; they received diesel engines, and could only make 16 knots. The "Standard Fruit and Steamship Company", founded and controlled by the Vaccaro family, had several of these ships. I know the names of three of them: Masaya, Matagalpa, and Tabasco (no clue as to their US Navy names); they were apparently American-flagged.
This made me realize that Bainbridge island was named after Navy Commodore.
I was interested in the first photo shown, it was taken on the Hudson River, below Grant’s tomb on the bluff.
Hmm What-If the USS Bainbridge is still out there in some old forgotten shipyard / scrapyard like Arthur Kill road in New york ? i have found alot of old 19th and early 20th century warship still lingering around. Like the the ARP Taucary ( paraguayan gunboat from 1907 ) or USS Sachem ( 1902 ).
As a former resident of Bainbridge Island Washington, I appreciate this
Who are you and what have you done with our friend Drach? A 6 minute video? Not credible. I do admit the voice does sound like him though. Is this some sort of wierd proof of life signal?
A sound like the torpedo boat that could LOL.😁 it would be fascinating to find out about the history of the one that just disappeared. I wonder if it went on to become some other kind of private ship of some kind.
Drach you are definitely comprehensive, these "little ships" are so fascinating cuz every ship whether aircraft carrier or PT boat they still call them USS, or HMS in the RN meaning a commissioned Naval unit, n all ships as you've found out ages ago are Beings in themselves
One other thing about Bainbridge DD1 was she was once commanded by a very young Lieutenant Raymond Spruance
My father (Raymond Ros Shenk) served on the USS Bainbridge (DD 246) throughout WW2. He was the Chief Petty Officer in charge of the boiler room. I have a book and photos he and his former shipmates wrote about their memories of that time. They called them tin cans.
As always a great video, and I have a request for you, about the first combat between a ship and a plane, its supposedly to happen in México, during the mexican revolution
listening to the stats for the early destroyers is crazy. Under 1000 tons, tiny guns, the same things an early tank would carry and most surprising at all they were proud to reach 28 knots or in some cases 25 or 26 knots ! Hardly things to be proud of even 20 years later everything would double or triple and speed would be 10 knots or more faster. And having said all that these are my favorite ships period. And their look seems to epitomize the era steampunk but real .
You're comparing apples and oranges. Gun size - 6 pounders (57mm) were heavier than almost anything on torpedo boats - if destroyers took on cruisers or battlewagons, they used their torpedoes. Speed - this was a time when a battleship strained to reach 18 knots (Illinois class - 17 knots, Maine class - 18 knots) cruisers to reach 20 (Columbia class - designed to chase down fast ocean liners could do 23, most of the USN could do 18 or so, the Denver class, a few years after the Bainbridge class, was good for 17). And wouldn't one expect some progress two decades later
@@colbeausabre8842 The apples to oranges metaphor is false. Of course you can compare apples and oranges. They are both fruits. One has edible skin. They have different nutritional value. You can compare taste and smell. How well they keep in storage, etc.
Request: for a history of the flush-deck destroyers converted to fast troop carriers (APD), especially those that served in the Guadalcanal campaign (the "Green Dragons").
My uncle Samuel Davis served on the Little (APD-4, ex-DD-79) and the Colhoun (APD-2, ex-DD-85), and was declared MIA and assumed dead when the Colhoun was sunk by Betty bombers on 30 Aug 1942 off Lunga Point. He was 23 years old.
I have a pretty full history of the Calhoun and even a photograph of the ship sinking which I can send if it will help producing such a video.
Your videos are very informative and appreciated.
Would you consider doing a guide to the ship my father served on in WWII, the USS Frost (DE-144)? While a small warship, she served well and was involved in sinking five German U-boats, an enviable record that earned her a Presidential Unit Citation.
*USS Bainbridge:* Starts as warship, becomes fruit hauller.
*HMS Audacity and HMS Palomares:* "Wait, you're doing that backwards!"
Like the RN, the USN just specified a set of characteristics and let each yard build destroyers to their own design, This explains the differences between ships nominally of the same class
The giant gunboat ('cruiser') USS Chicago slipped into the background in one pic (💜); another surprised me w/ a can dressed in proto-Measure 32 paint, very pretty 💜💜.
A 'Fruit' Freighter? That is what we called SWCC Boats back in the late 1980s when the ?DEA?(Yea right) had the US navy deploy them off the coast of a certain Central American set of nations. Fun time those were.
Edit: That was around the time of the 'Banana Wars' [1898 - 1934] and well the Marines would have needed something with the firepower to get them onshore at night.
As both a naval enthusiast and someone who has played 40k since 2ed I feel it is my solemn duty to declare:
*It's the Baaaaainbridge!*
Also, while she didn't _quite_ manage 11 barrels of hell, she did lay the groundwork for basically every class of US DD until Fubuki turned up and the navies of the world collectively "shat their pants" (actual historically accurate terminology)
Have you ever thought of doing the story of HMS Mimi And HMS Toutou, two specialised craft of WW1. Almost humorous but goes to show how important Imperial power was to Britain.
If you know bananas, you know that a single bruised banana causes all of the others to go bad rapidly. Bananas were a regional fruit in the U.S. because New Orleans was the only major port (and population center) that the bananas could reach before going bad. From there they went on rail cars to destinations within one day's journey (some went up the Mississippi by boat). Overripe bananas were just thrown into the waters of the port, where poor people often fished them out. Sam Zemurray ("Sam the Banana Man"), the eventual head of United Fruit, got his start collecting overripe bananas from the water and selling them in towns around New Orleans at cut rate prices. There's a fascinating biography of him that's well worth reading. I believe it's "The Fish That Ate the Whale."
Very informative about a relatively unknown class of ship.
Do you have a guide or documentary on DE-708 USS Parle? I know she's obscure but looking for any info
Love the dedication to documenting the history of classes of combat ships and the individual pedigree of ships... kinda poignant in current flux of mission, hull size and load out of Western Navies.
There was also the USS Bainbridge (DLGN-25/CGN-25) was a nuclear-powered guided missile cruiser in the United States Navy, the only ship of her class. Named in honor of Commodore William Bainbridge, she was the fourth US Navy ship to bear the name. Thank you Drach for another well done Naval history episode. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bainbridge_(CGN-25)
William Bainbridge (May 7, 1774 - July 27, 1833) was a Commodore in the United States Navy. During his long career in the young American Navy he served under six presidents beginning with John Adams and is notable for his many victories at sea. He commanded several famous naval ships, including USS Constitution, and saw service in the Barbary Wars and the War of 1812. Bainbridge was also in command of USS Philadelphia when she grounded off the shores of Tripoli in North Africa, resulting in his capture and imprisonment for many months. In the latter part of his career he became the U.S. Naval Commissioner.
3:14 What!?!?! The US Navy added more guns and weight of throw than their peers? Unbelievable!
Been a long time fan of many years. And I know your channel specializes in pre ww1 to ww2, any ideas to expand to cold War era ships? Think some of them could be nice editions to the channel.
Had to be crazy, roaring up Hampton Roads in that, while the majority of sea-going types were still climbing rigging.
I've never taken you up on your request, so here it goes.
I would like you to review ALL the ships.
Thanks for the fantastic info and history all wrapped together.
It's frightening to think that the US Navy went from a total joke, to the cream of the crop in something around 50 years.
Did someone say "torpedo boats?" Is the Kamchatka nearby? Where is a used pair of binoculars when you need one?
All these little ships that came and went. Men ate on them, tried to stay awake at watch on them, slept on them and shit on them, all wrapped up in their metal bodies.
On a routine basis, those on watch saw the sun come up and go down, it's light stretching out over or receding from the oceans surface and coloring the clouds. They did their jobs on them in the heat of the day and the cold of the night, sweating or shivering in their bunks depending on if their compartment was an ice box or an oven.
Men stood watch on them them with the rain pelting down and the sea in an agitated state. They pitched about inside these tiny ships as the ocean pitched their ship about. They threw up in her and on her and over the side.
They missed their wives and girl friends, their friends and their families and they waited out the days until they could come home again and get off that damned little ship.
Then ... on occasion ... they tried to kill the men on other ships and risked being killed on theirs. Ships broke up, men burned, men drowned and men were taken to the bottom of the sea trapped in little compartments as their ship sank.
All these men on all these little ships ... that came ... and went ...
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I wonder if she lead an even more interesting life after becoming a “fruit freighter”. This era saw the expansion of the United Fruit Company and others who sought to dominate fruit production through state capture of Central American countries. I wouldn’t be surprised if this ship was actually used for some gunboat diplomacy.
Following your video on the Barbary pirates it should be noted that these destroyers were named after some of the captains in that conflict. Bainbridge is considered the father of the modern US navy for his insistence on schooling and training of naval officers. While a prisoner of the Sultan he was allowed to bring his books with him and he drilled his junior officers in tactics. A lot of historians however give Teddy Roosevelt credit for the transformation of the navy into a professional and ocean going navy.
If they were going to name the class after US Navy hero from the early 1800s why not name her Decatur?
Does anyone know the accuracy rate of torpedo launches in WW2? Like how many were fired and how many hit?
Or is this an impossible question?
So Kamchatka may merely have misidentified the American destroyers for Japanese torpedo boats?
Early destroyers were funny looking little craft.
Excellent show as always. Here’s a suggestion for a ship to look into how about the Bushnell Turtle an attempt at the 1st use of submarine in combat. Would like to see your take on it
The Bainbridge dropping off the face of the earth (seemingly) and after becoming a fruit freighter is immensely funny to me
2:54 ..is that USS Chicago in the background (1885)?
they SCREAM speed!!!! a fast ship meant to go into harms way!
I could have enjoyed an hour long story on this topic. Perhaps another time.
D'awww, cute little ship! What is she gonna be when she's grown up? :)
I honestly thought she was a captured Tenryū-Class.
Inspiring the name of CGN-25 might've been this ship's biggest achievement.
My name is Adam Bainbridge. And I approve this ship.
Have you done anything on the escort carriers, jeep carriers, etc...
This class includes most of the great names of the US Navy to this point in history.
And, as always, I'd like to point out that Perry, Preble, and Paul Jones were all built at Union Iron Works in San Francisco.
I was surprised to see that Decatur was built in Richmond Virginia, of all places.
She was tested as a fruit frieghter but proved to be a bit of a lemon.
I live less than an hour from the town of Bainbridge here in Indiana, USA.
it would be great if someone could find the final fate of the Bainbridge, wiki says she was sold to the Henry A. Hitner's Sons Company out of Philadelphia who converted her, but the trail goes dead there as far as i can see, maybe someone with access to the records in philadelphia could learn more.
Saw somewhere that it was wrecked in the early 30s, I'll edit my comment if I can find the source
@@zacknowles9711 that would be great, a location, if she was broken up etc, it doesn't appear to be common knowledge
Early destroyers are avery fascinating subject. Nice video
There is a Navy base close to a town in Washington called Bainbridge.
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Ahh a video on the early years of these vessels development was such an odd sight.
Good Day Drachinifel.
Ahh that's a sad fate for any warship being converted to a cargo ship be it after service or on the slips (looks at the second Svetlana class cruiser poor thing made an oil tanker while on the slip) yet I wonder what it's silhouette would of looked like apon conversion to fruit hauler hmm.
Anywho as a person who loaths over early vessels like TB/CTB, TBD, DD (it seems the Bainbridge was classed as all three/four types by different sources) & so on I wonder if you'd ever did a video on the Bagley class Torpedo Boat?
While it matches other early designs in looks the USS Bagley TB-24 apparently an this is just going off Wikipedia carried an aircraft.
Such a strange thought naval aviation in 1910, It might be an interesting video.
My father served on a destroyer in WW2 . The USS Wilson DD408. Would love to see a video about it. All of your videos are fantastic and enjoy watching them.
Who's buried in Grant's tomb?
My dad taught Chmmystery at the Naval Academy Prep School, Bainbridge, Maryland after he got back from the Pacific after WW2.
"In early 1943, NAPS moved to the United States Naval Training Center Bainbridge, a facility of several hundred acres located above the Susquehanna River in Port Deposit, Maryland at the former Tome School campus, some 40 miles (64 km) northeast of Baltimore, Maryland. NAPS returned to Newport while the Bainbridge Center was temporarily inactive during 15 months around 1950. When Bainbridge was reactivated in 1951 because of the Korean War, the preparatory school returned to Maryland. In August 1974, NAPS returned to its permanent home in Newport and in 2006, named their newly built dormitory in honor of alumnus Colonel John Ripley["
Bainbridge and Truxton were state of the art CGN's in my day.
Considering the way the price of fuel oil is going, we might be well advised, to start building nuclear powered Cruisers again.
The Bainbridge was built as a Frigate - which was the USN 's and French Navy's term for a ship larger than a destroyer and smaller than a cruiser, designed as a fleet escort. Rated a DLGN, she was the world's first nuclear powered destroyer type. The DLG's were re-rated as CG's when Congress got concerned over a "cruiser gap" with the Russians. So the USN just rerated all its DLG's and DLGN's (and some of it's larger DDG's) as CG's or CGN's. Hey, presto! Problem solved Mr Congressman.
Will you ever do German destroyers
Please name the yard were it was built
Were these named after Bainbridge island in Puget Sound or something else.
They’re both named after the same person:
William Bainbridge (May 7, 1774 - July 27, 1833) Commodore, United States Navy.
@@AndrewTBP So kinda. Cool, works for me.
Great video again Drach.Any chance on seeing more videos from late 19th century?1880 thru 1910s.Love the start of the modern navy.
The bridge was my bane.
Not as scary and fearsome as the Japanese torpedo boats though. Those can instantly teleport to different continents
And at the end of the mission use their communicator to tell their base base to "beam us back home Hiro"
The Kaiser aproves of this Collision 👍
Congratulations! Have you found any portuguese ships?
The Alfonso Afonso de Albuquerque class colonial sloops were fine ships and worthy of consideration en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRP_Afonso_de_Albuquerque_(1934)
Thank you, Drachinifel.
US Naval designs concensus... GUNS! GUNS! GUNS! o~0 Question: Why is there an open space on your deck?? Fill it with a gun you Nob!... ^~^
I wonder what the turtle deck was used for?? Unless it was there for sea keeping??
Yes, sea keeping, to disperse water shipped over the fore deck. And also as a place for the ship's turtles to go during general quarters.
"I wonder what the turtle deck was used for?" For the turtles, of course.
Tin can indeed. They look aweful to ride in anything other than flat calm seas.
In the RN, you got Hard Lying Money for serving in their contemporaries "Hard Lying or Hard Lying Money, is a term applied to a special allowance granted by the Royal Navy, to men serving in small craft, such as destroyers, torpedo-boats, trawlers etc, to compensate for the relative discomforts of small-ship service."
@@colbeausabre8842 Looks like sea sick Machine just looking at them.🤢
FYI Just googled Beryl Bainbridge. No relation, apparently.
Damn thats a rough choice. Be scrapped or become a fruit transport. Ummm...
How long before they had a functioning torpedos?
Is the term, Fruit Freighter, an indirect way of saying they went on to serve in the service of a banana republic?
I used to explore Bainbridge Naval Training Center after it was closed down and used as a Job Corp facility.
My dad taught Chemistry (He had a BS in Chemical Engineering) after WW2 at the Naval Academy Prep School when it was located at Bainbridge while awaiting his discharge from the Navy
Thanks for another interesting video