Gran Turismo 4's Weird Playable Beta
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2023
- Gran Turismo 4 Prologue was an attempt at delivering a demo of the then upcoming GT4, featuring many significant differences. Let's take a look!
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Fun fact: the narration (e.g. at 3:45) was done by Vicki Butler-Henderson, who was a presenter on Top Gear in the '90s and Fifth Gear, a racing instructor at Silverstone, and worked in a number of other car-related fields.
From America and I did not know that... Kind of wish it was released here at that time.
Came to read this.
Was going to say I'm surprised to hear her voice in this
Was literally checking to see if anyone said that. Very surprised.
I never knew this. Loved classic Fifth Gear.
Also a slight fun fact: The Japanese version of GT4 Prologue uses the same file formats as Gran Turismo 3 and Concept, and as such, it's possible to backport GT4P tracks and cars to GT3 with a bit of effort (GT4P cars do not have nighttime models, however).
Not just a voice actor! That's Vicky Butler-Henderson, previous host of Top Gear and Fifth Gear. alongside Tiff Needell and Quentin Wilson. Bit of a blast from the past!
The only thing I remember about GT4: Prologue is being disappointed that it wasn't the full game!
i remember the disappointment but also how cool is the video that you unlock once you finish all the main tests
"Or was it Vicky in her Toyota Pickup Truck"
Vicki Butler-Henderson was the perfect choice for the voice-over in this game. A hell of a driver and years of being on TV for motoring shows means she can really sell what she's saying. Most people in their teens and twenties around the release of this game would have immediately recognised her from then Fifth Gear and previously Top Gear so again, perfect choice.
As an American I didn't recognize it tbh :/ I legit thought she sounded like Diana from the Hitman games. I was waiting on her to tell me who to kill LMFAO
7:40
Alto Works was, and still is a solid, legendary grass roots Rally Car.
In Japan, obviously.
R A L L Y C A R
My brother played this and found it 16 years later, still gives me memories.
Actually there's a lot of Gran Turismo 4 "beta" or prototype like 'Prius Trial Version', Test Drive disc and more.
PS. Love the HUD of GT4 Prologue.
I posted this in my comment earlier but there was also a BMW 1-Series demo
I instantly remembered Vickies voice. So strange while the rest of the GT series has basically no voice acting at all.
I play GT5 prologue ( because normal GT5 doesnt run right on emulator) and its a nice demo that just cuts alot of unnecessary stuff and just keeps the good basics...
Poor GT4 devs, got a year left, decided to overhaul the physics and now get roasted for it :)
GTPSP also had voice acting, having Jay Leno as the announcer.
@@uubrmanx Also GT5 having Jeff Gordon from NASCAR to teach you a bit about pack racing, and I think one of the boys from Top Gear had a spotlight in it, too, since you could drive on the test track.
I think it may have been a very conscious decision because Gran Turismo has a very unique artistic quality based around cars as kinda "personalities" and also the music. Adding a big human element may have taken away from this.
narration**** people lol.. narration no action
@@xxczerxx Precisely. Glad someone sees this.
Polyphony Digital did something special GT4. If you had saved data from GT3 and GT4 Prologue on the same memory card. You could transfer 100,000 credits from GT3 and all driving school rewards from GT4 Prologue into the B License from the start.
On the US version you transferred credits and licenses from GT3, because there was not a US GT4 Prologue lol!
The final set of licenses you missed out on, after the 10 laps of Fuji are as follows:
1 lap time trial of Tsukuba in a Prius, but you must not use more than a gallon of fuel
Autocross course Coffee Break
1 lap time trials on each course (S License style)
And yes, the one with the Prius is as boring and somehow stupidly hard to do as it sounds.
I love the fuel challenges, especially on BeamNG so that'd be right up my alley.
The Gran Turismo prologue are strangely familiar yet so oddly different.
14:35 I was disappointed for a moment that we didn't get the fun and silly acting...
But James to the rescue! Thanks for a funny moment of laughter with that one :D
6:27 as a forza player, im very glad for this epic shout out!
I may heard of Top Gear, but now I know also about the existence of Vicki Butler-Henderson and she's not just a notable former host but she's also a race driver according to Wikipedia as I visited an article about her last time. Also I am quite loving her voice also btw 💖💖
1:19 When the camera man realized it was Samir driving the car lmao
SAMIR, YOU'RE GOING TO BREAK THE CAR
I was so eager for GT4 I bought the JP version and the PAL versions of Prologue when they both came out. At the time waiting for GT4 to come out made it felt like it was never coming out.
I remember posting footage I captured of JP Prologue onto one of the old gran turismo forums because like there wasn't much about the game on the internet at the time and a bunch of Americans loosing their shit when they saw it. This was before youtube existed so the site owner let me ftp stuff to the site so they could post it.
I did also get a hold of a dodgy copy of the GT4 BMW 1 Series demo which was the first ever look at the Nordschleife, it was time limited but someone found a way to get rid of it so you could actually do a whole lap.
The Intro song
Bullet - "Antidote"
14:45 Who were both of them? Dustin's friends or his family? Lol I didn't realize my boi Dustin had siblings but idk if it's really his siblings or actually just his production team...
So kind of lika a physical early access version of gt4... Neat
I actually bought this game last summer, along with all of the other GT games that I hadn't played before. I have basically all of the GT games, and I got GT concept about a month later.
Nice 👍 which one is your favourite?
@@Louganda it's hard to say. Playing them on the original hardware, it's quite hard to get used to the older graphics, after all, I am only 15. Gran turismo 3 and 4 are amazing, I have a lot of nostalgia for 5, 1 and 2 are fun novelties that you can enjoy sometimes, 6 is the one I bought and never played back in like 2015 (my dad got me a ps4 on the same day I bought it), sport I have fond memories of, and 7 is the one I've put the most hours in. Gt5 prologue is an interesting experience, but GT4 prologue has a lot more personality. Actually, gran turismo in general I feel has more personality than any other racing series I've ever played...
Been binge watching your videos since I discovered your channel recently. As a racing game casual, your vids have been a really cool gateway and insight about stuff I would normally miss or never know otherwise so thanks for all the vids. Keep it up man
You can fix the triggers by changing the sensitivity in the PCSX2 controller settings.
At least for me these values work well in GT4. LT 0.402 RT 0.206
Better yet, just bind your controller onto a non pro USB wheel (Controller tab > USB port 1 > Wheel device > Driving Force). You can ignore binding the wheel's R2 and L2 buttons as I don't think games use them and you can rebind in most cases anyway should you need to. Feels different at first (steering wise) but a lot better in the long run compared to standard pad. Just make sure you set a deadzone if the analogs don't zero when they are neutral. Also you will lose vibration, which is the only major downside.
Colin McCrea did actaully race a 659cc kei car
It was a subaru vivio rxr
Wow
Well, Wreckfast has a "Prologue" like this, only it's a Demo and it's very cool even as a Demo
The prologue really does feel like a fever dream, it's like Gran Turismo 3 being mishmashed with 4, you hear 2/3 sounds combined with 4 in different areas, sound effects are mostly 2/3, music is mixed kind of.
I mean, obviously since it's like a beta but still.
This sequence of James in the Miata feels so close to me driving for the first time and my mom cheering at my first actual gear shift in the 206 that i inherited, this is mysteriously so nostalgic for me 😂
DustinEden return with another GT Analysis featuring his Voiceover, let's go!
20:27 I don't think it's an emulator problem, I think it's because the actual game utilities the PS2 pressure sensitive triggers, which aren't on a linear scale, so it feels weird when using modern triggers. They probably made 100% halfway so you didn't have to squeeze the triggers so hard all the time.
You can fix that by using the analog stick, and remaping that to the triggers in the emulator
Afaik the triggers werent pressure sensitive on PS2 controllers, only the face buttons (but only in 3 states: 0%, 50% and 100% pressed)
Edit: nvm triggers, bumpers, face buttons and dpad were analog, according to wikipedia on a scale of 256 levels. Maybe my controller slowly dies or the games I played did the "3 step pressure" thing
@@vetrixfx9264 I think Dustin mapped the face buttons to the triggers, since some newer games use the triggers for accel/brake, and most controllers now don't have analog face buttons
@@vetrixfx9264 Nope, all the buttons are pressure sensitive on the DualShock 2. So even the "triggers" (L2 and R2).
The face buttons are also more sensitive than only 3 states. It doesn't just jump between 0-50-100, that would be dumb.
What controller did you use? Third party one? Why make stuff up? :D Thanks for the edit though...
@@Mandarin9900 i thought it was only 3 step sensitive as one game i played only reacted to 3 steps (or atleast i only could tell those 3 steps apart). I think that was on NFS Underground 1 on an original controller. Could also be all made up by my memories lol
I love the reaction when he saw the rally car 7:39
Fr 😂
Man, the 2000s were good. Still good to this day
I really hope that this game will be added to the ps plus catalogue, the school lessons are so much immersive and getting gold in all lessons it’s actually pretty difficult (I remember the struggle to make the 2 laps of New York with the Takata NSX, when I got the gold I literally cried for an hour)
7:53
You just reminded me of when Colin McRae was forced to drive a 555 liveried Subaru Vivo (which is a small city car) in the 1993 Safari Rally.
Nowadays everything is a playable beta, they were really ahead of the times
the moment I hear your accent I smile because I know I am in for a fun experience! Thanks!
6:34 GT knew it since 20(!) Years!
I used to play it at my cousin’s home with a wheel when I was like 6 years old, so many good memories
Very interesting driving school idea here, those two lap sessions though are insane.
I definitely like their idea though of having these small Mid-Point games to showcase progress before the full release of the next title. Nowadays most games don't have Demo's even so if a few companies brought this idea back it would be super nice provided they were priced fairly.
3:45 Not only was that a cool feature, it also got translated to other languages unlike descriptions of cars in GT4 and GT5 (papas con mojo experience).
Vicki Butler Henderson is a wonderful commentator and a serious petrol head! 💯
A wonderful inclusion especially considering her time on old Top Gear and of course, Fifth Gear. 😄
Played this in the U.S. when it came. I actually got it a local GameStop. Not sure how it was limited to Europe and Asia if I acquired it at GameStop.
Maybe someone traded in a pal or Japanese copy
I’ve had the same issue with overly sensitive triggers but thankfully you can change the trigger sensitivity in PCSX2
There's another playable demo that I've recently played and never knew existed was Gran Turismo 4 BMW 1 series virtual drive. Not much to do other than drive a petrol or diesel 1 series.
I remember having this game when i was a kid. I remember when i did eventually get Gt4, you could skip all the license tests if you did them all in GT4 Prologue.
Does anyone remember GT Academy 2013 ? It was a gran turismo recruitment beta I believe? I tried it at the time and it had some graphical improvement over GT6
Do you think you'd ever consider doing a Gran Turismo marathon similar to how Kuru does NFS games. If you include all the small regional and promotional games there's a good bit to go through.
The Real Roasting Simulator
This is probably a very early version of gt4 since they changed the driving mechanics and graphics quite a lot. Hard to believe they would do all of that in only a year.
I actually bought this game a half year ago at flea market and never played it.
Love your videos Eden!
I remember getting a PS3 for Uncharted and GT5 Prologue. These prologue games were awesome.
I saw gran turismo prologue at local game store back In the days here in Italy but I never bought it cause I was waiting for the real deal, gran turismo 4, and I didn’t want any spoiler 😅 from there it became a tradition , never played a gt “demo” ever since, not even gran turismo sport on ps4 cause I knew it was some kind gran turismo 7 prologue, I waited from 2015 to 2022 to play a new gran turismo
Yeah, the Mitsubishi Colt sounds like a vacccum cleaner because it uses a CVT transmission.
5:35, Geniuene question, We can see a toyota prius mark 2 in that image, which was released in 2004 as I recall, is that an image of a concept car or am I just incorrect?
racing games that also use the right stick for gas/brake you can map the +/- of the axis to the right and left triggers. makes a lot of ps2 games easier like tokyo cyrene racer drift 2
I pretty much remember getting excited to play GT4 PROLOGUE for ps2
And later on, as soon as i got ps3 i bought the GT5 PROLOGUE
These versions were so different from the original product
But i still can say i had lots of fun with them
I really loved the prologue,, they released another game including only Prius and Tsukuba circuit before the GT4 prologue
Cutscenes in nfs 2015 are crazy good
This feels like that Minecraft ARG where some Mojang devs make a branch of Minecraft alpha that is completely different yes familiar as alpha Minecraft
i remember playing it like, 1 or 2 years ago? really interesting piece of GT history
aww, he was 1 race away from the Fuel Economy challenge
great video once again !
Weird,i remember hearing the orchestra Moon Over the Castle intro while playing Prologue
I’m always fascinated by Gran Turismo lost media
GT4 Prologue even in 2023 still better than GT7.
Wish gt4 had THIS HUD and camera. Not the horrible "locked" chase cam.
24:23 just look at the speedometer
This is hilarious. I wish this was in the final game. The one and only entry to get voice-overs!!
Iconic Tyre squeal sound too!
Vicki Butler-Henderson has such a calming voice i really enjoy listetning to her relaxing voice best part of this game ❤
if my car fails to steer i just let off the throttle and get back on when im out of the corner
Kinda unrelated but does anyone know what controller is Dustin using? (The one at 20:25)
Been looking for an aftermarket one and so far all options I've found seem disappointing cheap knock offs
Wait...gt4 originally had Vicki Butler narrate??? that would have been great!
The voice reminds me on Vicki Butler from Fifth Gear. 🧐
I remember getting gt5 prologue when we got a ps3 back in the heydays but remembering i hated the games physics. Tho now my experiences have led me to believe that child me just sucked
memory unlocked, i forgot what this was called. I saw this intro years ago as a child :O
Was that Vicki Butler Henderson?!
Yes 😉
5:25 “Ohh! _Need for Speed_ Reboot action camera, that's so cool!” Bitch, _Midnight Club II_ in 2002 already did that.
How does this look so good? Does this have a high res texture mod too?
Roughly the same time between them. Four and a half years for sport to 7
WOW 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 this brings me back childhood nostalgia
What emulator are you using?
The king has returned with another video to go together with lunch
A bit late for me to say this, but the suzuki alto works was used as a rally car for some time, so the narrator was right again
Vicki roasting all of us
I just bought GT4 prologue today what a coincidence
Wow a beta that's playable? Crazy
17:58 I get what you're saying. But It's not entirely reasonable to fault GT7 from borrowing so much from Sport when it had 5 years between Sport and GT7 while GT4 had 3 years between GT3 and GT4.
Keep in mind that developing a game in 2022 is more expensive and demanding than a game in 2004. Just as it was more expensive and demanding to develop a game in 2004 compared to 1998.
A single car in GT7 is significantly more detailed than likely several, if not all of the cars in GT4 in terms of pure polygons. Said car has way more graphical effects as well. As a result, if a good chunk of the work is done in GTSport and is of a high enough quality, it's not wrong to use that going forward.
The example I always use is "It's always faster to both make and render a 360p video in Movie Maker with no effects than a 4k Video with heavy use of After Effects in Premiere Pro. But in 2023, I doubt many people would be impressed by the former . Because people's standards for quality have gone up, more time needs to be spent making a passable video. Even if our technology gets better, we can't make high quality 4k videos with After Effects faster than 360p videos with no effects".
Bro I own it
And I loved lesson 35
Also coffee breaks were mandatory for all of the cars
I wish they kept the GT3 car camera in GT4 so the camera followed the car instead of the camera being stuck on the back of the car
Is that Vikki Butler Henderson doing the voiceover???
the cut scenes people pixelated because theyre japanese
I remember this, it was basically R35: The Game
The voice from a presentator of fifth gear
Suzuki Alto Works , the most famous rally car ever 💀
Yes fr 💀
Regardless of the content, I think that, admitted the GT3 success, which I didn't share having grown up with GT2 in particular, I think Kazunori should have used this policy as early as the third title since overall I certainly think the latter is a nice but incomplete idea for the content, and no, I'm not talking only about the cars number, but also about the quick menu system as well as the obnoxious rubber banding, much more visible in GT3 than in GT2. What was GTA in the days of the first Drivers, despite the content offer compared to the latter? And what would GT3 A-spec have been without THAT graphics?
Hey I have always wanted to get into PS2 emulation. What emulator would you recommend?
pcsx2 on pc, aethersx2 on mobile
and make sure ur device can handle it, otherwise games will run in literal slow motion
@@dalelumina3 Pretty sure pc should handle it, I can emulate PS3 no problem, but thank you!
@@Dark47Killer 👍
I used to always do the Grand Canyon race in the Plymouth Cuda and for whatever reason I always destroyed everyone lol 😂
Does anyone know how to mod credits into gt4 on pcsx2? I’ve already beaten it before I don’t need fulfillment. Just help plz
so cool!
14:30 that was very unexpected