Wilbur Soot - Mammalian Sighing Reflex (BEST AUDIO)
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- RELEASED: 30/11/23
0:00 - Amazon Standing Lamp
3:16 - Mine/Yours
6:25 - Around the Pomegranate
9:05 - I don't think it will ever end
10:32 - Glass Chalet
14:08 - Melatonin 130 (bpm)
17:57 - Oh, Distant You
22:30 - Eulogy
25:13 - Dropshipped Cat Shirt
27:56 - The Median
29:00 - Trying Not to Think About It
33:00 - 10 Week Rule
This is an upload to counteract the way I messed up mastering it for Spotify, apple music etc. This is the raw audio with an image on the top. Should be the highest quality possible without downloading a raw WAV file. 
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Hello, gangsters and gangsterettes, I am uploading this because most music platforms, due to my own lack of music production knowledge, have a bastardised, quiet and distorted version of this album. As much as it would be apt of me to just ignore it and move on, I would love that MSR fans have the raw files somewhere, youtube felt like the best place (I am very conscious that youtube will still compress the fuck out of this but shhhh, let me live in blissful ignorance)
I've been gone for a lil while, I know, but I thought I would let you know I am doing well and will eventually return!
You tend to always hear of artists and performers stepping away from the “world at large” and even today some of my favourite artists and bands have an almost viscerally restricted private life. I sympathise with them but was always very thankful that, thanks to my online background, that would not be the case for me and I could easily step on and off the stage in a state of zen like so many other performers I admire.
Unfortunately, upon finishing my second run of shows in 2023, I realised that was not the case and that the effects of performing would be something I must learn how to reckon with each time. I am an introvert pretending to be an extrovert, which is something that is a lot easier when your stage is a computer screen. Less so when it's a room of over 10k people. This ended up doing quite a big number on my mental health.
It's a weird one, because I am so aware of the privilege and honour to get to travel the world singing silly songs for crowds as magnificent and dedicated as Lovejoy fans, and yet also aware of how little I know myself and how little I know about actually DOING the whole stage thing without my brain evaporating.
Thanks to advice (from lots of people far smarter than me) I have decided to take a little break. I will come back with a big ol bunch of streams in the future I’m sure but, until then, I have rented a lil place in new york solo and have been wearing knit-caps, shopping at Whole Foods and saying things are sooooo last season while taking photos of coffee cups. Many of you know I’ve always wanted to live in America for a brief stint and I am so excited to be living my dream. I have many friends lined up to come visit me and I’m sure they’ll roll their eyes as I recount the anachronistic history of every US monument we see.
I'm so lucky to be able to take leave like this and, I also should do it without the whole sob story, but I really want to thank you guys for sticking around with me and being earnestly fascinated (I hope) by my art and what I do. I cannot thank you enough, but I can certainly try!
THANK YOU (even if you get my lyrics painfully wrong😚)
Until then, there are so many things coming very soon I am excited to show you. I am currently knee deep in writing the Lovejoy debut album and I am thrilled to work on a big, cohesive story in music form (something I haven’t been able to do with EPs) with some of my best, most talented friends. There's a single on the near horizon and a bunch of different #content for you to eat like little internet silkworms!
At the end of this year I will be donating every penny this video earns x10 to a selection of mental health charities. I will update this comment with how much it was and which charities by 2025.
I hope you're all doing well, and if you're not, I know it gets better. You just gotta trust me. Stay comfy, don't let the bed-bugs bite and remember that mauve is soooo mid-century.
Love, Will :)
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we love u sm wilbur :(
Thank you so much I’ll now listen to this version of the album
live your dreams man🫶
thank you will :) we love you sm !!
im so proud of you for doing this man! we all love you sm
i hate it here but oh how i miss it
The amount of absolutely shattered people in this comment section is just heart breaking.
Yeah…
Honestly their fault for falling for the "soft boy, who respects women and cares about all the other important world issues" trap. He poked fun at this blind admiration of an internet celeb in almost all of the music he released.
@@user-jd6do2ls2j you're not completely wrong. But the thing is that his music and persona got a lot of people out of some pretty dark times. And the way the human minds are programmed, the people immediately just fell in love with this "relatable" character
@user-jd6do2ls2j creating idols is just a thing humans do I'm afraid
man, whatever you did was bad, it was fucking bad, but that doesnt mean you cannot prevent it from happening again. Get the help that you need and we trust you to see you emerge as a new man. Stay strong and aware
this is the correct reaction to the whole shubble situation. ty kind internet person
@@mrcrouton43 no problem, I felt like this situation quickly escalated as it should have. However most responses felt like "hey will, you should go do bad things to yourself because you did this." I dont feel that way, as a kid who might've never gotten the attention to this problem it grew into a habit thats hard to get rid of; like nail bitting, smoking etc. I'm not saying its good but its still changeable.
now i can cry again
lets cry together
@@pebbleyahoyea :(
@@pebbleyahocan i join you guys?
guys wait me too
gotta have my 4 pm cry
@@pebbleyaho we should cry and hold hands
every week i come back here just to read a new wave of heartbroken and betrayed comments. it feels like one of those drug rehabilitation centres, where everyone sits together to share their stories and struggle.
its insane how much this one person has affected us all. i used to laugh at people obsessed with celebrities' lives, but i get it now. its crushing to see your idols fall.
I'll try not to come back here next week, but i dunno if i could resist. i guess its just my cope.
take care everyone, and try to get away from this.
Glad to know I’m not the only one doing this
This whole album makes so much more sense now we have the context. I am so disapointed, always thought this was just a character or exadurated version/ manifestation of his deeper emotions, not what he really was like. I am heartbroken and angry.
I had to stop and review every lyric over again today as soon as he dropped his statement
'please don't ask what these words mean, just please don't misinterpret me 💀'
I've never have been so disappointed with an artist as I am now
Everyone has flaws, we found willburs. You don't have to hate him you just have to acknowledge that he's no idol and someone who just needs to work on self improvement. The world doesn't get better from hate, I personally still respect him greatly and am looking forward to his growth in the future.
@@bcw1nc865 I'm sorry, but they aren't "flaws", they are harmfull traits of abuse, of a CRIME.
It's hard to distance myself from him after all this time, i suppose It's the same for you, but keep supporting and respecting him after all of this is not the right thing to do.
And after his response (where he didn't acknowledge his behavior, and doesn't even say "I'm sorry" once), I just can't believe he want to change. It feels like he is not sorry for what he did, but because we found out. Shelby isn't the only one, and she made it very clear that he could and would do it again, and i don't know for you, but that doesn't sound like someone worthy of your or anyone's respect.
Hope you're doing okay
I just want to feel normal again :(
If you've tied your identity to someone else (someone who doesn't even know you) so much, that you can't "feel normal" when it turns out there a bad person, then you need help
@@aniotakuYT not at all what I’m saying bud, go project somewhere else
Love this new era of Wilbur’s solo music, the beeps and radio filters are crazy good and create a mellow tone
I absolutely adore it with the bottom of my heart
Just saying, this isn't a new era, if you haven't i recomend listening to the other sad soft wilbur music "Your city gave me asthma" (an album) and "Maybe I was boring" (I believe that's the name of the second album i'm thinking of, if not it's the name of one of the songs anyways and it'll be easy to find the album searching it.
Whoever read all of this have a good day, you are loved
Adding to the comment about his other music, he also has a trilogy of joke songs in his gaming channel and some other older joke music in this channel I believe
Definitely I still like you city have me asthma though
@@vlinderXXI I’ve been listening to his music since the nice guy anthem, I know he has other music that sounds like this album. Admittedly a “new era” is a stretch but the post editing and mastering effects and sounds seem like a new thing.
Your City Gave Me Asthma and Mammalian Sighing Reflex are so comforting. i remember listening to the former 24/7 during covid when everything in my life was so bleak. MSR feels like a hug from an old friend i haven't seen in a while.
edit: well fuck me :/
yeah it’s kinda wild how hard this album hit when i first heard it; i couldn’t listen to the whole thing because it felt too nostalgic/bitter lmao (i can’t find the right word).
@@helighast bittersweet!
you just described it perfectly
I mean the first lyric from the album is literally "Hi, it's been a while."
There’s really nothing quite like mourning someone who isn’t even dead. A good part of me is still in denial. What were you thinking?
Of all things you said in that apology of yours, I hope you were telling the truth about seeking help. That’s all I want from you now. I want you to get help. These poor people.. I pity even myself for putting so much faith and love into someone who doesn’t even know all of the faces of those he left feeling betrayed.
If I ever hear from you again, (and frankly, I hope you don’t decide to end all of this on such a despicable note) I really hope it’s something good. Please, for the love of god, if you’re going to surprise us again, be it for something good.
Everyone has flaws, we found willburs. You don't have to hate him you just have to acknowledge that he's no idol and someone who just needs to work on self improvement. The world doesn't get better from hate, I personally still respect him greatly and am looking forward to his growth in the future.
@@bcw1nc865 i don’t hate him at all, i only hate that he’d do such a thing. At the end of the day, I only want everyone to continue moving forward and just become better instead. I want NOBODY to be miserable! As i said, I really just want him to take a step back from everything and really truly get help. I would hate for anyone involved to stay miserable, including wil.
@@bcw1nc865 i agree completely that the world doesnt get better from hate, my comment wasnt meant to spread hate either, just expressing my sheer disappointment and displeasure for the recent news. I have been a fan of Wilbur since the Soothouse days, and I don’t know what Wilbur could possibly be thinking right now. I think the best thing he can do is take a step back from everything, stay out of the lives of those who dont want him in their lives, and really truly work on those strides of great improvement he claims he’s been making. If even a sliver of the person I saw behind that screen that I grew so fond of over the years was real, I really only hope he chooses not to stay miserable, I hope that he actually recognizes the damage he’s done and ends up doing the right thing.
@@crispber that's good
@@crispber yeah me and my friends have just been hoping he works on himself while he continues to write Lovejoys first album and comes back maybe this fall
I really hate what im feeling right now. YCGMA, saline solution and jubilee line honestly saved me and everything after just gave me more life, it got me into guitar and music. Saline solution was 1 of the first songs i played on the guitar But knowing now that there may have been diffrent meanings to your songs some horrible conotations. And knowing what i know now. It kills me man. It hurts so bad i hate it. I have no idea what to do with it. No idea on anything anymore.
nah dude, ur assuming so much he did a shitty thing... but youre digging into the person now... and sometimes it just aint that deep... he hurt people yes, he hurt us the fans too, he probably lost a lot, he deserved to, but his songs are still about something completely different, this album probably has some stuff that actually relate to the situation but if his music spoke to you and you interpreted it in a way, you shouldnt lose what it meant to you cuz the guy who made it did one bad thing.
I read through lyrics...
Isn't it also reminiscence about last relationship? There's enough of abuse talking (a lot of line that paints narrator as a victim or a partner of a narrator as a victim), a lot of self-hatred ("Mammalian..." has at least three tracks with self-hatred tone), thinking about partner (and there's no indication that it is not an ex).
Keep in mind their is not evidence to these accusations other than the response
I felt the same way at first, but I believe Wilbur has grown and changed as a person and there is still good in him.
tbh their relationship was a while ago and its a mistake, yes, but i really don't think we should let it define him.. i doubt his whole life revolves around that so he's probably not singing about that most of the time, haha.
I hope you're alright.
Why am I crying I don't don't know I just miss him come back please
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels betrayed. I hate him for getting me so attached to his online persona, to the point of almost wanting to forgive him, where I'm worrying about how he's doing. He is the main reason I decided I wanted to go on testosterone after years of debating, just because of the shear amount of gender envy he gave me. Why did you have to make me like you so much? I know so many are going through so much more, and while my pain is but a fraction, it still hurts... So much. Never have a person be your special interest, especially if that special interest was the one thing that kept you from suicide
this is so true.
I absolutely understand how you feel. I haven't stopped thinking about this for the past day and last night. It's heartbreaking, since he was one of the people who kept me going. Even if I know that it's not that big of a deal, and that I sound parasocial. It's horrible, since I realized I was aromantic through his songs... Hope you'll feel better soon
@@ThatOneKaiPersonThanks :] Happy to see a fellow Aro
i feel exacrtly like this, thankyou for validating how i felt
Please stay strong! Know that these feelings of betrayal are completely justified even if our connection to him is purely of fan to content creator. The fact that you’re conscious enough to recognise these emotions and understand morally what is correct is incredibly respectable. Sending much love and just know that these feelings will pass!
You've been my idol since 2018. Since I was a kid. I'd fall asleep to YCGMA, crying because I related. Your music helped me so much. I did the same with this album, I cried when it came out. I fell asleep crying that night because this album meant so much to me. I played it all day at school for the next week. I taught myself all your songs. You were the reason I bought a guitar at 11. You've inspired me so, so much. You've not only hurt Shelby and your friends; you've hurt us. Your fans. The teens that really looked up to you. You failed us so hard. I know this isn't over; we all mess up. You just messed up worse. I believe that you can get better and redeem yourself, even if not everyone can forgive you-rightfully so. Please try to get better and really show that you're trying. You've been so important to me and it really hurts that you've turned out this way. Or that you've been this way. Please prove that you're not a completely bad person. Just a person who us flawed.
Your city gave me asthma was the only thing that comforted me in a really bad time. I was dealing with abuse which i thankfully got away from but that album was the only thing that made me feel understood. I could relate every line of jubilee line to my life at the time. I’m so disappointed that the person who unknowingly helped me through my abuse would abuse another. I’m proud that he went to therapy and he’s trying to get better but I can’t in good faith still actively support him in the same capacity that I used to. I suppose all this is to say that ycgma and msr are my two favorite albums and they will always have a special place in me, but i will no longer support a man that so clearly disregards the good of his loved ones for personal gain. As always support the victims and support shubble. His response between his apology and treatment of his mods have been horrible. Although Wilbur’s friends should still support him as well, it is clear that he was sick and I sincerely hoped he gets better. His friends need to make sure that he gets better. As for me I plan to cover all of his songs because they meant so much to me but I don’t necessarily want to listen to wilbur at the moment.
I flopped my very important tests in school because all these tings going in through my head. I sleep every night knowing that the hurt the community. I really hope u get well Wilbur. I wish to meet u one day. We will give u the time u need.
Same here Wilbur. Thank you for everything. Your songs help me feel alive in times where I feel so dead. Redeem yourself man, you deserve it.
A WILBUR MUSIC POST???
My exact thoughts
I'm lwkey shocked lmao
IN 2024444
THATS WHAT I SAID
I LIKE
JUMPED
AND SQUEALED LMAO
this album was released in late november of last year
i just want to say, wilbur, i don't like what you did, but i truly hope you become a better person. you helped me through my darkest moments, and i always come back to your music when im at my lowest. ik you are able to change, and i believe in you. i hope both you and shelby are doing well.
People like you are what we need more of rather than people just sending hate and stuff
Same
Shelby was faking it because she did about another one of her exes before wilbur then deleted all evidence
@A5h3rtheth3ri4n i've heard a lot of different views on this situation, and both Shelby and wilbur have been blamed. I'm not too sure who to believe, but if Shelby did lie, that is messed up bc she just DESTROYED wilburs' reputation, which is just messed up in so many different ways. im trying to stay as neutral as possible. I just hope both are doing ok, and if wilbur did abuse Shelby, I hope he is getting the help he needs, and i hope Shelby is OK too. I just know messed up things have happened from both wilbur and Shelby's side, and it's just sad :(
@A5h3rtheth3ri4n honestly though, that is decent evidence to prove that she is lying and i have heard it before, but we could never be too sure that she's lying and it's not the best to immediately assume she's lying. If she is, im going to cry of happiness because i still love wilburs music, and i feel guilty even listening to it, but it's helped so much through these last couple of years. his music saved me, and i pray shelby was lying.
After everything, I still love Will/Lovejoy's music!
These comments are actually so well thought. Unlike on the other platforms or social medias, where they don’t think and effortlessly send hate nor death threats. I hope both Wilbur and Shelby gets the needed support and help without receiving such horrible feedbacks and comments. The world is cruel already, there’s no need to make it more cruel :).
my thoughts exactly! I hate the pain that he has caused shelby and my whole heart goes out to her situation. No one deserves to be abused like that and I can see that she is such a strong and beautiful person. As for wilbur, I hope he has reached out to her privately to apologize, and I hope he is also seeking serious treatment if he hasn't already. I hope both creators can heal and grow from this :)
such raw talent, such a great character, but such an unfortunate trait. imagine how successful he might've been had things gone different
My method of coping has started out as wild bursts of intense emotions, depressive states that left my head heavy, anxiety so bad my chest burned, anger so hot my body shook. While for some here that may seem like way too much of a reaction, for me it was expected. The man was someone who made me laugh out loud instead of just a squeeze of my eyes and an exhale. He made me feel human as someone who struggles showing emotions outwardly. I'd go from "it's over" to "how Dare he?" to "but did he?" to "He did it. It hurts. And that's okay." to "it's not okay, he's a monster" to "but maybe he's getting better now".
Then the statement was released and without thinking harder on it, trying to form an actual opinion outside of what I was seeing other people say, I raged. I ranted to myself how I wanted horrible things to happen to him, which was out of character for me and what I normally stand for. But then I stopped looking at the sites and thought of MY opinion. How I felt. Looked over the wording myself. Processed things at my own pace rather than the pace I was forcing upon myself. Talked with friends who aren't part of the community but could empathize with what I was feeling. And I made my conclusion.
The statement was released way too early for anyone to take it any other way, most likely pushed by PR. Was that a shitty decision? Yes. And while I will support the possibility of growth and getting better in the future, and will probably not cut all content with him out because of that, I cannot and will NEVER support his actions. What he did is abhorrent and will never be what I support. I can choose to neither forgive, or forget, but I can move forward. What he did and how his initial statement sounded was shitty. But change can take months, even years. Learning to truly recognize behavior as bad can take time on it's own. Even if things keep coming out that make my stance hard to keep, I'm nothing if not needlessly stubborn and in the end, this is more about me sticking to what my beliefs are no matter how difficult it gets.
I am allowed to hope he gets help and eventually return improved just as much as others are allowed to leave the era of their lives he was a part of behind. I am allowed to support the possibility of healing for everyone without condoning his actions. I am allowed to hope that everyone, I mean EVERYONE, involved in the situation to come out okay. Maybe not good, but at least okay. And just because I'm remaining open to a second chance does not mean you have to. If you want to watch things from the good times to cope, then don't feel bad for needing to approach the situation differently. If you are not sure yet and want to pretend things are fine until it all calms down, then that is just as valid as cutting everything related to him off immediately. You want to burn your merch in some symbolic bonfire as you play 80's rock music, all the power to you. Humans are complicated and there is never a Correct emotional response to something like this. The only response that is never okay is hurting yourself or threatening hurt upon others.
My endless support to Shelby because she is literally so brave and I don't think I'll ever have anywhere close to the strength she has shown by coming forward. There are things that messed me up from over a decade ago that I still haven't opened up about and the people they involve are just everyday people. For her to have come forward, especially after he had been touring and exposed to millions of people is so powerful, she's like a superhero to me. Send her all your support and love. She fucking deserves it and more. She should not be blamed by ANYONE for what happened and is happening. Let her heal, let her keep being strong and amazing in everything she does, both in terms of healing and her content. Just because I'm focusing on my feelings about things does not mean that she doesn't mean so much more here.
And to you, Wilbur, if you even bother looking at the comments here, especially now, know this: Just because I'm supporting the possibility of growth and improvement does not mean I don't think the you right now is pathetic. You hurt so many people who you called friend just to feel more control of your own life. You may never get those people back, and need to understand that you'll probably never have what you had again. You were so afraid of trying to get better that you doubled down and made yourself and others worse off for it. Donate every single penny from this album to charities that help and support abuse survivors, take a few years away from the internet. If you have any close friends left after this in private, good. If you don't, find a public support group. And while I said second chance, I never will give you anything further. You knew it was abuse because you were scared of being accused of it. And again, my rage towards your actions is immense and your prior lack of self betterment to be pathetic. However, I'm still going to hold firm in my belief that improvement is always possible, and you needed this push, unfortunately.
My takeaway is always going to be to support the victims first. But focus on yourself as well. Just because you are not directly involved does not mean your hurt and shock is not as valid. Just because it's not 'big and life-altering' does not mean it's not sort of traumatic for some people. Have a good cry, drink some water. If you have a pet, give them so much love and kisses until your brain melts from the oxytocin. Go to a friend's house and watch movies with them while eating shitty junk food as you make fun of the cheesiest of special effects. Go outside. Not in a 'you need to touch grass' way, but in a 'sit on the steps of where you live and feel the sun on your face', or maybe 'look at the stars in the sky', or 'listen to the sound of rain from the porch'.
This hurts. But that's okay. It's okay. You're okay
no, no and no I dont care whats going on. I dont care how much he impacted you cause your not alone. But dont whatsover support this man
@bruh I can support the possibility of growth without supporting what he did or who he is now. It is entirely possible for me to think that without giving support in any way that would benefit him in any other way, especially not monetarily. I do not have to follow him or subscribe to him to do so. The only reason I came to this video was for the sole purpose of giving the wider community it not only my stance, but the knowledge that just because they aren't having what people are considering a normal way about going about this, does not make them invalid, and to give whatever small kind of comfort I can. I literally said that it goes against the nature of who I am to not acknowledge the possibility of improvement, even if it can seem unlikely. And that is why I am choosing to have this response. This is what I choose to believe I would do for a stranger if given the same information that I have. It is what I have always done and always will do.
I noticed that you are leaving comments similar to this in multiple people's comments. You are going out of your way to by all means shame people for their method of coping instead of ignoring and not engaging at all, which by all means would not only have been the more mature option but also the easier option. I will not shame you for what I know is something you are doing out of what I can only assume is anger at the situation and anger at people who blindly still give him full support in everything and choose ignorance over reflection. However, the method you are using for doing so is questionable at best, and just causing more damage at worst. The community is divided enough about this issue, we do not need more infighting on top of that. I hope you realize that.
I will not argue with anyone further about this. I do not care if you or anyone else replies to this, because I will not be feeding into this. :)
I hope you and anyone reading this still has a nice day/night regardless. Remember to eat/drink water/take your meds if you have them and haven't done so already.
This.. honestly gave me some clearance in my head as I listen to this album through a speaker, litteraly in a bathrobe. Just not knowing what to think of about everything anymore of this man.
But thank you for sharing. If it helped you then it helped me.
Take time, let time pass, let deep and shallow wounds heal.
It'll all heal eventually with forgiveness or forget
- kyrin
(If I miscomprehended your message, then I apologize. You already know his small portion of his fanbase is still just clueless on what to do now, I am a part of that portion and is just crying to comprehend everything like a child faced with their parent doing something wrong and does not know how to act)
Keep in mind their is not evidence to these accusations other than the response
thanks for saying this in ways I never could.
i made a reddit post about this but ill copy and paste it here
guys i really think it's true and it's genuinely heartbreaking
i bought this guys merch, i love his music to fucking death, every single one of them, you're city gave me asthma, are you alright, pebble brain, your new boyfriend, soft boy, internet ruined me, im in love with a e-girl, wake & its over, and mammalian sighing reflex, i cried to this mans music for months, i waited, excited for new music, a pinterest board with 173 pins, both, had aya wallpapers and ycgma, I have a comment that will made on the video of ycgma as a widget on my phone, i laughed at this dude and found comfort, he was such a big fucking inspiration to me, i started playing fucking guitar because i was so inspired by ycgma, the first song i ever learned was Jubilee Line, i know almost every Lovejoy song on guitar now and make my own stuff(trying at least) covering his stuff, i waited for his streams and then rewatch the vods, ive been getting so excited for the new fucking lovejoy single, this mans face is a fucking widget on my phone im genuinely crying over this because i genuinely love his work i find so much inspiration and comfort in it, i found comfort in him but genuinely its so heartbreaking if its true, like the fucking line "he had a ant infestation" "he said insects are normal in British homes" THATS SO SPECIFIC LIKE I CANT
im just kinda ranting im so fucking heartbroken, im listen to mammalian sighing reflex for what might be the last time if its true. so fucking sad
like i remember when will comment on my reddit post i was so fucking happy
sorry if this is coming off as parasocial because honestly it is, im just so hurt because this dude is literally my fucking idol (was my idol)
support shubble
edit: it's confirmed not surprised but damn
im at 10 week rule, i hope its not true but this is going to be the last music from will that im going to listen from will its so damn heartbreaking
it really sucks to think i supported this guy because i loved his content so much, for so long, and it's a harsh reminder that you can never really know someone from what they present online. I hope only the best for Shelby for her future, and that she can heal. Seems daft to ignore the signs that connect the abuse to him unless she comes out and says something against him. I'm sorry for all the time you invested into someone who turns out to not be worth it. Don't worry about it being "parasocial", you lost time and money to someone believing in what they sold to you, and it turned out to be a lie. Your feelings are valid. My best to you, hope we can both move on from this
i totally understand man. wilbur was such a big comfort of mine and he was one of the ppl who inspired me to start writing songs. to find out he could do something like this is so disappointing. i know people aren't always what they act like online but i really thought wilbur was better than this...
As unreal as this feels. The biting thing is too specific. I feel broken cuz him and his music are genuinely such a place of comfort.
Same I’m so ashamed to have contributed to giving an abuser a platform.
It's sad to see how people still paint him like he's the most evil person on Earth even though Wilbur said he's going through therapy, and he's been talking about it way before, so I really doubt it's untrue. I think that's a good indicator of that he realizes his wrongdoings and actually seeks to be a better person, so maybe he's not as bad. Sure, the damage is done, people are still hurt and nothing is going to change that, the only thing that can be done is try and prevent the same thing from happening in the future, and that's what's therapy's for in this case. Sure, he should be held accountable, but he absolutely doesn't deserve all the hate and everything else that's been put out. He doesn't deserves to get worse. I think he does have redeemable qualities, he wants to improve and that's what matters. It should be appreciated, and how the situation was handled by everyone, from community to other content creators, is just ridiculous and outrageous. I just hope Wilbur knows that there are still people who believe in him, who cherished his art and still do, and who are willing to welcome him back when he's better
When my card declines at therapy so they start playing msr
when the card declines at therapy so they tell me my favourite cc of 4 years is an abuser
@@OakLeaf_ when my card declines at therapy so they show the statement he made
@@lillyplaysguitarwhat did he say?
i physically cant listen to this without feeling nauseous. "teeth before tongue" in mine/yours makes me want to rip my hair out. shelby unfollowed him shortly after this came out and i honestly believe that song, or maybe even several songs on this album, are about her.
the ending for Oh Distant You hits different now huh.
According to these songs, it seems that he regrets the things he did to those people, and we forgive you, wilbur, you need to come back, we will be waiting, no matter if you think that people won't come to your streams, your wrong, we will be here for you, i swear.
its not your place to forgive him, its his victims place. not yours.
whos we lmao
the lyrics "never thought that i'd get married, never been the kind to give a shared life a second glance" make so much sense now that i've listened to shubble's story. wilbur what you did was so fucked up, you've not only hurt shubble but you've hurt your fans. i've turned to you, your streams, and your music since 2021. you've been the rock thru all my hardships in life, but now i can't listen to you the same anymore.
Bro, please chill down. All of you got to stop analyzing his music and hate commenting on every single Wilbur related video. The situation is NOWHERE near resolved. We've really heard from one side, Shelby had like months of therapy and thinking, he had time to structure and word her response. Wilbur wasn't the victim and as he said he misunderstood Shelby, thinking it was playful. And Shelby said she had been stupid and too deep on love to realise she was uncomfortable so it makes sense she also didn't express her enough at the time. And Wilbur cannot read her mind. His response was bad, but it was hastily made, so we wouldn't think he was going silent. Give it time. It took time for Dream too to finally make a response that cleared shit up.
as an autistic wilbur fan here since smplive. i do not know what to do. i dont want to believe anything but, its innevitable! everything must come to an end, including my insanely heartfelt special interests. i honestly hope wilbur gets all the help he needs (shelby aswell too of course, but i have never once induldged in shelbys content im speaking off my own connection) and deserves in my eyes. which, i hope is the right vision to see, obviously all you can see is whats portrayed online. i can't let go of this music, no matter how hard i try in complete honesty. i saw whenever i would see lovejoy live as a finale, as 10/10 completion and a large event in my life of some sort but i guess thatll never happen. i dont know. stand with the victims always.
I’m in a similar situation as you and I think this is a very healthy way to go about this news. There is no way for us to avoid the hurt, the only way out is through. You don’t need to know what to do right now. Just feel your feelings and try to come to terms with any possibility. You don’t need to let go of anything. Even in the worst case scenario, these memories and entertainment and art mean a lot to you, and you have the right to hold onto them. Hope you’re holding up alright 💛
In an absolutely same situation. Hope everyone gets the help they need. It's still hard for me to perceive these news as real.
im in the same situation here man except the allegations were true.
Like what you like, you should not feel a morally obligation to stop following music you hold dear, because the artist can't function in their life. I have been following wilbur for years around the time of the smplive as well, and I will not throw away the feelings and memories I have with him away. That is a bond special to me, that no one will interfere with.
Whatever you chose, just know you should not feel ashamed or guilty for listening to music, and viewing art. Ever. It's apart of culture and what makes us human, and people who try and twist it any other way, have lost the essence of humanity.
Everyone has flaws, we found willburs. You don't have to hate him you just have to acknowledge that he's no idol and someone who just needs to work on self improvement. The world doesn't get better from hate, I personally still respect him greatly and am looking forward to his growth in the future.
The first time I remember crying to music was the first time I heard your song "For Memories" on
Maybe I Was Boring. In that moment I imagined you were my older brother sitting by a fire strumming away at your guitar and that image made me break down crying.
I've spent so much time listening to your music, watching your videos and streams, and buying your merch. We said "hey" to each other as you passed by to get to the venue when I went to watch you and your band perform last year.
What you did doesn't truly surprise me (your music has always been about how you are bad at relationships) but the worst part is you made an album all about how sad hurting someone made you. I'm not saying you can't become a better person and find forgiveness but very few people do.
To know that if I told you that story about crying to For Memories you probably would've laughed in my face hurts my soul more than you could possibly imagine.
The only solace I find in this situation is the fact it seems you burned every bridge with basically every creator imaginable and a good portion of your fans will never let you move on from this and will mention it at every turn.
man for memories inspired so many songs ive written alone, i cried too man.
Sharing my thoughts here, kinda rambling, I just need to get this out somewhere and this looks like the most safe place to do so.
I do wanna say that I, in no way, support abuse.
It's just that this mans content and music really helps me getting through rough times and that since years. I know that that isn't a excuse for anything really but I'm really bad with change and actually had to avoid social media for a week because I was feeling so horrible for not being able to distance myself from his content in the way people wanted it. People saying to just move on and find a different artist are not wrong and all but trust me, I've tried. And everytime it just feels like something is missing.
I'm still waiting for Wilbur to hopefully say more about all this but if he doesn't that's also okay (with me. I'm not asking for other oppinions here.). I know I'll still be here no matter what.
But I think what we all want and deeply hope is that you, Wilbur, come back with a sincere apology. Not to us but to Shubble.
Personally I belive that as long as you're trying your best and try to be better after doing something wrong you will get better. It may take time but it will. I think it's hella unfair to say that a person can't change because that's just not true. I, from personal experience, can say that people can change for the better even if it isn't that easy and sometimes takes a long time. The fact that he said that he already goes to therapy only shows to me that he truly wants to be a better person. After re-reading what he posted on twt I also noticed him saying "I have taken my time sharing this statement [...]". STATEMENT. It isn't an apology and it was never meant to be one. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding things but it feels like no one really payed attention to that.
People saying that he admitted it actually start to piss me off because he didn't admit to anything if my english isn't letting me down. The only thing he admitted to was consensual biting and that he became slobbish, disrespectful and selfish to the end. ≠ admitting to abuse.
Also remind me in what context she said that depression is an excuse if I'm talking shit here but ??? I have seen multiple friends of mine change almost completely because of deperssion but they did it subconsciously in a way of non-verbally asking for help. Their entire lifestyle was changed during that, the way they behaved. It's not something that you do on purpose and is most definitly not an excuse. In the times that I've seen those things (even with myself) you're either not aware of doing something wrong, or you simply don't have the needed energy or knowledge to do better. It's not something you can control that easily.
Idk that's all for now and again, I just needed to get my thoughts out somewhere.
I hope things get better for all of us, content creator or not.
For now though I hope that you're doing okay. Take your time. We'll be waiting. There are still people that support you and the thing we care about most is that you're okay. We're very much aware of all the stuff comming your way from different partys inside the different communities and please, take care. You might have messed up big time but we, as your community, still care for your well-being.
(I know for a fact that I've completely butchered some parts of this please forgive me english is not my first language...)
To anyone reading this now: I have found where I stand in all this now and I choose to stay with Wilbur. This is unrelated to the fact that I can't let his and Lovejoys music go btw. I have plenty of reason for my decision (one of them being Shubble handing this situation pretty weirdly). I don't care how you see all this or who you believe but I can honestly just repeat my words. I've spent these past few days mostly on educating myself through multiple sources, talked to friends about this ,who are also pretty caught up with the stuff that's been going on, and am now pretty confident in my decision. (I get that this sounds para social okay T-T I just really needed that for myself I promise I'm not some weird stan)
Anyway...
I have changed my mind about an apology to Shubble for now, at least for what he's being accused of. If I'm actually understanding the lyrics of these songs now, which I was trying to do since he said that we get them horribly wrong, I can see that Shubble is not so innocent and that she has contributed to the outcome as well. Even if it isn't written in the songs it's still pretty obvious that she's not telling us everything we should know before pointing finger's, accusing someone of being a bad person.
This is getting long again so I'll stop now...
Remember to take care of yourself fellow person reading this :)
so real of wilbur to not openly talk about his new solo music released but yet still makes sure it can't be listened to with the best possible audio
I know you're probably not reading the comments anymore, but i hope you're doing okay right now. Don't listen to any haters and don't do anything stupid. Take care of yourself and take the break you need because you really deserve it. -leo #wilbursupportsquad
“I hope you’re doing well and if you’re not, I know it gets better. You just gotta trust me.” AND NOW I’M SOBBING.
You have any updates for present day? 😭
AND I STILL FUCKING GET EMOTIONAL AT THAT LIKE MY GOD
You still have people here for you Wilbur
Cmon, will. You can change everything. Several years is what you need, you surely reconciled your misstakes enough at this point that you are not repeating them. I believe in you
He and his songs still save me. They will always save me, no matter what happens. Forgiveness is the key to everything, friends
facts
facts
It's not your place to forgive him, he didn't abuse you, he abused shelby
@@CharaDreemurrfan So this is not your place to protect someone. (if that's what you mean) The community will soon cool down, someone will forget, someone will be angry like a dog to the last. I don't care. A lot of people behave abominably, but they are still people. Everyone just needs to calm down and stay out of someone else's personal life. I'm not saying it out of spite, I'm just tired of conflicts, sorry
@@jwfl Shelby made what happened public because she wanted other women to not get hurt by Wilbur. She said this herself. I'm simply doing what the abused asked for us to do for her sake(and so other women won't be hurt by him as well.)
i cant help but come back to this album and maybe i was boring and ycgma despite everything that happened, i looked up to you for probably 4 or 5 years of my life ever since the arg. i will be back here again someday i know so. my favorite song is trying not to think about it. i've played it at live shows of my own even if people see me as a different person for slightly interacting with you, lovejoy and dsmp, revivebur, everything you've done has influenced me so much as a person and who i am now i cant help but miss how i felt about a year ago when i met you for the first time in nashville. you didnt even come and talk to anyone until like 4 or 5 in the morning i was tired as hell but it didnt matter because i got to talk to you even if it was simply a "hi wilbur can you sign this also thank you for everything" i know this will get lost in comments to the internet and will probably never see the light of day and it probably will never matter. but throughout my life. there will always be a corner that is yours. and for every song i write there will be signs of you in it. will I hate what you may have done but i have one last parting gift.
"I cant say that I wasted my time because I'm built by you" - Wilbur soot, for memories
all I can say, is thank you. thank you will for all that you did while it wasnt all hated
I really miss him, I wish I got to meet him before this❤
Don't die Will
Hey Will im Sky i highly doubt your reading this but i just wanna say that i hope you're doing ok and stay safe and you are always welcome to take a break if you want to
- Sky (aka a silly goat)
Ok i can tell this comment is going to get alot of hate but idc y'all can read this but I don't wanna be attacked
I feel you man
im actually so proud of everyone that came here to comment and talk about how much they grow up since they have been listening to you, wilbur, and to be honest it’s the same for me! I’ve been listening to every single song from lovejoy to your solo songs because i love them and they mean a lot to me because it reminded me of my past self to someone I want to be in the future.. like a reminder to not be like my old self (? Its kind hard for me to explain but i hope you can understand) But i guess what i wanted to say is that Thank you Wilbur and Thank you guys for being here! Because of you I grew up understanding a little better who i am :)
sorry if is hard to understand what i said, my English isn’t the best but i try sometimes without the translate:’)
Your English is great, dont worry about it !! /pos@@mrskini
I understand. This community is such a positive and supportive one ❤ for the better part of the past 4-5 years or so, I've been listening to his music, and I think it effected me a lot & helped me a bunch. It's nice to see it helped so many others, too
@@catgirlleahyah i totally agree 🤍! And for sure it helped me alot
uh oh, what now?
We miss you Wilbur! I hope you are doing well and taking care of yourself. 💓
I hope your doing well I still miss the creativity you bring
thank you for releasing this on youtube too king, we're all so proud of you, this is such a beautiful album 🫶
i hope he has reached out to shelby privately to apologize. No one deserves to be abused like shelby was and wilbur needs to seek treatment if he isnt already. I hope both of them heal and grow from this experience. #shelbysupportsquad #wilbursupportsquad
he did say in his apology that he would offer Shubble the same therapy/help he was receiving
just spent the past 35 minutes sitting outside and listening to this whole thing again with good headphones and holy shit. there’s so many little things you don’t totally get on spotify, so many layers and little details that just go to show how much care and love was put into this. time to go back to the real world.
There are people who still love you no matter what... we just hope that the truth comes out one day and we can step over this. Keep improving on yourself and please don't listen to these horrible people out there. We're here. We hear you. We support you. We love you.
the fact that parts of this album may be about his abuse is sickening
(Big edit.) Im disappointed. So FUCKING DISAPPOINTED IN THIS. I WROTE THIS MESSAGE BEFORE THE ALLEGATIONS. I honestly cant listen to this anymore.
Wilbur, you'll probably never see this. I just want to say thanks for making this album. It's really helped me to have some comfort. Thankyou. Again. (Edit. I can't bear to hear this anymore.)
didnt expect to see a wcue fan here, hey!! -a former wcue fan
@@siaontoast oh nice to see fandoms coming together :D
I though you were one of the best lyricist, song writer, writer, producer and musician. You inspired me to play the guitar with music you made, I supported your band and even became my favorite band. I had a dream of going to one of your concerts and even dreamed of making music like you. I slept listening to your music because It gave me comfort. Now every time I listen to the music that used to give me comfort I just keep thinking about all the horrible things you did to her. How could you? Some part of me wanted to believe that you’re not the person she described but after your statement I can't be more disappointed and I can't help but hate you so much for hurting such an incredible and nice person, she didn’t deserve all the things you made her go through, I’m so proud of her for speaking out about what happened to her and I think that makes her so strong. I’m very disappointed in you and also disappointed at myself for admiring your work. I don’t know what happened to you in the past that made you this way but I wish in another life you would’ve been different and a better person.
I miss you
i hate how i love it, how i miss it. why must it comfort me so?
I Know you're not reading comments anymore but just don't do anything stupid, ok? This whole experience must be incredibly draining but on the other side of it you'll have the strength to keep growing as a person. Your mistakes aren't to be written in stone and follow you forever, you can grow past and around them like you can with this. Yes I am aware that this comment is cringe just. keep going, man. you got this 👍
Wil, we love you..
please live and don't leave us, Will. People on the Internet are cruel, don't listen to anyone. Just please don't kill yourself
I truely hate him but people wishing for him to kill himself is so terrible I just hope he's getting the help he needs
@@jasmineedwards5954 I agree with you
@@jasmineedwards5954 mistakes, we all commit them. small and big, sometimes going too far. only if there's a solution to end all problems once and forever. sure i hate the things he has done, but i still want a solution to fix it all. only hope all his victims, including himself, will get a help that all of them need.
Please
Wilbur I just wanted to say that I still love your music and listen to it.
Your music saved me from killing myself I always felt so happy whenever you realised a new song. I’ve always wanted to meet you in person and tell you so much about how I’ve gotten my own music taste from Lovejoy.
But after seeing what has happened with you and Shelby I actually started crying my 2024 was not going so great but don’t worry it’s better now. All I want to say is that you saved me.. now we hope to save you :)
YCGMA was an album that saved my life and helped to guide me through a horribly dark time. Its creator was similar, bringing comfort and genuine hope to me in the advice he would give and preach. MSR was similar, too. It felt like a victory after a storm and although it wasn't my own, it felt so deeply personal.
I'm a strong believer that genuine art cannot be faked. I find it hard to believe any of this is fake- but I'm also finding it very hard to comprehend the devastation so many people have now been put through. The news of it made me cry myself sick; something I've never done before. I hope I never do it again, because this is not a feeling anyone should have to deal with- and that only makes me wonder how disgustingly horrid a direct victim of these actions would have felt. As a lifelong atheist, my immediate reaction was genuinely to pray for them.
I feel so ashamed of myself and so much guilt, now knowing what I loved and supported for so many years. So beyond disappointed. I don't think there's a word other than distraught that I can even begin to use- and I don't know if it'll matter. I don't know if you'll care. If this album was something real, then I believe you could maybe care a little bit, but I don't know how caring about it now will fix the problem. However, if you do care, then you must still have some shred of the person that we were taught to believe existed- and in that case, as furious as this all makes me, I hope you find some help and that this never happens again. It shouldn't have happened even once. I want to believe you at least know that now.
Closure is such a privilege in these situations and I hope the person and people who need it most may find it. To anyone else, please take care of yourself. You're not wrong for being fooled. It's not your fault and I know you will be okay. Otherwise, take people's serious claims at face value and take time to process your emotions. Failing to do so can result in a lot of damage that cannot be undone.
Much love to those who need it, and even if you don't think it's deserved. Especially those who think they're undeserving. I'm sorry to everyone who lost something integral to themselves because of this. Music is personal as anything and I hope you find something to fill that space.
well said, thank you so much
goddamn. yeah I’m still trying to process how to feel about all of this. I believe shelby completely, but I just don’t know how to take this sort of news. I’ve been supporting wil since smplive, 4-5 years ago and I guess I got trapped in something parasocial, because I felt heard by his music, trying to drop his music feels so wrong to me. I’ve been recommending friends his music, family, and now what can I saw to them about this? I hope both wilbur and all the people he’s hurt get the help they need.
I Still dont understand why people dont understand this. None of it has been confirmed by Shelby. There isn't even enough proof it is specifically him and nobody else in the world who matches her description. He's a very sweet man, and this hasnt been confirmed to be him yet, so dont assume@axowelp
@@Firdaus-Mwell said,
@@Firdaus-M I don't want to be combative or start any argument here, but I would like to suggest that you look more into what victims have been saying. As said by them- there are a lot of reasons why an abuse victim may not want to name their abuser, or may not even be able to. Between legal reasons and their own safety- from the abuser going after them to anyone who wants to defend him as well- or even being accused of defamation just for speaking out.
I totally understand where you're coming from and I felt similarly for a while. After taking some time however, I realized that not only does it seem that all the details point to a specific person, but I can't feasibly think of anyone else who fits the descriptions.
There is always a possibility of being wrong in any situation like this, but I would highly suggest you take these things into account, for your own peace of mind and for the sake of others. If the wrong person was being so heavily accused, I truly do believe a victim would clear that up, instead of clarifying that victims sometimes don't have full control of their own voices. I can't imagine any victim would want someone innocent to be wrongly accused while their true abuser moves on without awareness.
I truely hate him but people wishing for him to kill himself is so terrible I just hope he's getting the help he needs..
many of us love, and miss you wilbur. we see you as a person, and we understand you arent perfect. please, come back
wilbur antis gtfo this shit slaps🔥🔥
preach 🗣️
this album is so incredible. i always thought nothing could beat ycgma but this is just so so good. the lyrics as well as songs themselves are just absolute masterpieces. this music is the type you want to just engrave in your soul. i can’t put into words how well wil did creating this, absolutely amazing
I know what he did was messed up, but i am willing to give him a second chance. Everyone deserves one. Miss you will !
why does he need a second chance from YOU? did he abuse you? did he do anything to you?
@@ashleigh9690 I mean, the community was hurt by the news too, that someone they looked up to turned out to be done bad things. if he comes back he has to gain the trust of his fans again as well, not only those who were hurt directly🤷♀
there's proof shelby hit him, i will listen to what i wan.
I used to cry to songs like these because it was a weird mix of comfort and light of emotions but now I cry to them realizing and overanalyzing everything because of recent events. Victims need support and help, but the “problem” people need different help. I wish recent events were not true (for both parties sake) and for everyone who feels, maybe it’s anger, sadness, regret, disappointment whatever it may be just know every feeling is fine and sharing options is as well as long as your respectful (duh). As I sit here reading comments I feel really sad because we can all look at old comments by others or even ourselves and we remember that admiration we had and maybe some feel silly but again a story is a story, you have your opinion based on what chapters you read. To everyone… I hope you are well, I hope you will be well if you aren’t, and I really hope to see everyone here again once we migrate to some other community or whatever may happen. See yall eventually. 🪿👍🏻
This
This entire album is put into a whole different perspective now
The two lines of “the median” broke me.
“Please dont ask what these words mean”
He didnt want anyone to know what he had done
I thought of that too, this whole album seems like its about the situation.
@@J0rdy. this was his way of admitting what he did...
I am so digusted I just cant. Gut wrenching human being. I wish I could go back and never know this. He sucks assx
Keep in mind their is not evidence to these accusations other than the response
@ImTorryTF2 he basily confirmed it though
WHAT A BLESSING TODAY. THIS WILL BE MY MOST PLAYED VIDEO ON RUclips. THANK YOU. (regretting very deeply.)
I'm still gonna listen to this album, at least til the end of this year. If you are gonna keep your word about the charity. Its comforting to me, I hope you can get better.
i understand, its very sad. seperate the art from the artist. this music is very comforting for me too.
Your and Lovejoy's music saved me from suicide and so many future attempts. What is happening now is hard, but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.. Right? Take care of yourself and don't do anything stupid, we love you and wait for your re-arrival. See you in the future Legend
Wilbur, we all miss you and are on your side. Please come back. We love you ❤
YCGMA was an album/ep that got me through the darkest parts of my life; it's pretty much guaranteed that Will is an abuser. I've been watching since the late Soothouse/JackSAL editor series era. I really hope that one percent chance of this all being misconstrued is the truth, but it isn’t. This guy has been an idol and an inspiration to me. It sucks.
I remember first hearing ycgma a few years ago and fell in love, its crazy how well someone can capture such an emotion. Take care of yourself with everything going on man
Uh-the only thing I can listen to right now... The only thing that stops me from my anxiety...
throughout the entire time this album was released, I don't remember a single day that I didn't listen to some song from the album. I walk down the street with this music every day or sit at home with this music.
Despite the language barrier, I still love listening to these songs and watching their translations into Russian...(Greetings from Russia! I write through a translator
The disappointment transcends description. Five years I've followed along on the journey. Heart crushing. There's always that unknown, the risk that comes with putting any trust in an internet figure without knowing their character, I can say for certain you've disappointed and betrayed our trust. Where I once turned to your music and humor to aid me in getting through my days I now feel stretched thin for the way your stuff helped me get through things I won't voice, but now feels contaminated.
Sorry to myself that I'm now saying goodbye to what * was * one of the best things that happened to me.
this is really pretty except for the last thing kinda dramatic but I still get you
hey, will
idk if you'll ever see that message, but i hope that you do eventually.
it may be not appropriate for me to say such things, it may be perceived as parasocial but given the situation you're in right now, i still want to speak up to help you with an advice if i can. i do not come with ill intentions or aggression. i will be bold but not hateful.
i was in shelby's place. i was emotionally abused by a man with mental health issues, who didn't know better. it was a result of his poor, flawed characteristics of his personality that emerged from multiple traumas he went through. i was not the first who he'd hurt. my abuser was an abuser not because he was a psychopath or narcissist, he was an abuser because of his own traumas. it may be inacceptable for some, it does not excuse his actions as some may say, and it's perfectly understandable. if a man hurts you, you'd most likely run away not caring about why is he like that, you have to think about yourself not about his feelings. it's perfectly, absolutely normal. that's what shelby did.
i did not. it may be a personality trait that once will come back to hit me like a train and i will regret that i am like this, but it did not yet. i am capable of understanding anyone's reasons and troubles. i'm capable of forgiving anyone if i know that they had their reasons to be like that. and that's why i understand you and my abuser, and cannot be rationally mad at you and my abuser. that's what i am like. and i am also not a good person, i am also a mentally ill person, i have wronged multiple people and i was dangerous and hurtful once.
the thing i wanted to say to you is, well. you fucked up. you seriously fucked up, and it's about time to accept that. you ignored her safe word multiple times, you hurt her multiple times, you ignored her pleads to stop and traumatised her. YOU DID. no need to try and redeem yourself by claiming shit that is not sincere. however, it is not the end and it should not be the end even if some people say otherwise. if you want to keep your career and reputation, you have to go all-in. you have to be honest, to be genuine with your community, to reveal all the little details even if it means giving up on some of your privacy and personal stuff. you literally HAVE TO, because that is not a type of situation you can come out clean of. you'll need to do what dream did if not more, because he was proving the allegations wrong and you'll need to prove that you've changed.
and, to be clear, to this day you've probably not. and it will take a long time, maybe months, maybe years. when you're forced to live without the support from your friends, without the support from your community, after losing everything you had. well, that's what you get for seriously fucking up. the thing is, you'll genuinely need to change. whatever you'll do will be on your conscience, you may theoretically just lie to everyone and it may work, but it probably won't. you need to get a few years off to work on yourself. if you want to have meaningful and healthy relationships, you'll HAVE to change, and only then it will be acceptable to return into the social media and content/music creating circles. go to therapy, think about what you've done, accept that you're wrong, take the responsibility. apologize to all the people who you've wronged in person, without revealing it to social media. tell your closest friends that you know you fucked up, but you're willing to change for them. and, let me say it clear....
do it for THEM, not for yourself. and after that YOU will get better, but the people should come first, and you should come next. not never, just next.
everyone deserves redemption, but you will have to work hard for it. i wish you good luck.
hi im obviously not wilbur but um i just want to say you really brave for confessing your flaws and that you were abused and i really do hope you doing okay/alright have a good day, afternoon, or night whatever you are ❤
this comment is amazing
Thank you for being reasonable :) (I’m not the best with words, so hopefully this came out the way I wanted)
Do NOT wish him Luck. He is an abuser, say it louder not differently
@@viex- I feel like you didn't quite catch my message
Will I miss you come back I won't leave you ever A big hug
Never thought the guy who saved my life would be like this
womp womp
fr..
you saved your own life, don't give him credit for what you did
@@feathertailshe saved my life as well. You dont know what is going on in other people’s life’s.
Real, he made me wanna live and now I want to throw up whenever I see his face, barf. I just wish Shelby the best, I hope she can get through this nightmare she went through.
Wilbur,
I hope you find therapy and better yourself before you do something drastic and irreversible. But no amount of therapy will fix what you’ve done to shubble and countless others. You messed up. You have messed up for the past five years. You may have been hurting and you had every right to hurt, but you did not have a right to hurt others. We do not need an apology. Shubble does. And until your honest words form an apology, you do not have a right to those words.
Prove that you can be better. And prove that you can change. You’re life is not over. You can still change for the better. Don’t ever give up. Get the therapy you need and you and everyone around you will be happier.
Suicide will only make people hurt more, and you’ve already hurt people enough.
this is the best comment I have ever read
I completely agree, I think some people have gone too far. Will has done some awful things but I worry every day about him, I've lost enough RUclipsrs due to death, one was a suicide and I'm scared we are going to loose Will as well. But with time he can change maybe make a less rushed apology and overall better himself.
Good statement but only if he was guilty. However the ppl in the situation are neutral. No ones guilty yet and it isnt final. Plus he hasnt made a full response yet but he said he would at the end of the tweet
I absolutely despise the people sending Will death threats. I hope he takes the time to heal himself and his behaviour and give a real apology to those he's hurt.
@@hammywoods None of this shouldve been brought up to the internet. If anything it shouldve been brought up to the police. Shubble shouldve known that internet would know its Wilbur since they r crazy. Ppl on the internet without professional law experience have no say whos guilty in the situation and it brings unnecssary amount of guilt and ruins their career.
Hey Wilbur, i know i commented once before but i feel more content with speaking on this.
You are my comfort guy, listening to your solo ablums always brought me the littlest peace i had for four years. The past four years were hell for me, and a lot had happened in them. Getting more comfortable in my own skin, realizing that im aroace and figuring out that im a system. The one thing that stayed the same though, was that fact i had music to fall back onto and your music was there. I listened to YCGMA so many times that i had most of the songs memorized by heart in 2022. And then the whole situation that has happened gave me a gut punch. I took Shubble's side at the beginning as i try to support victims if i can but now.... now, i dont know what to truly think. I support you more as everything has been thrown at you at high speeds which isnt good. Everything is so sh1tty currently and i truly hope that you are doing at least a bit better. Please, take care of yourself and go eat and talk with your family members or your friends. People truly care about you, even though it may seem that it doesnt look like that. People still want you around and want to know youre doing alright. Its gonna be okay, Wilbur.
From, Alex (a small fan since 2020 or so)
I want, so badly, to trust you right now, but I can't help but feel betrayed. I cannot hate you. I can try all I want to hate you, but I cannot hate Wilbur Soot. It might be parasocial, but what you have given me in your online personality will never go away. I fucking love you, and I fucking hate you.
I'm so betrayed and disappointed.
I am so f’ing tired of mcyt drama. btw I don’t mean to say the victims are being dramatic, I mean none of these should have happened in the first place. Everything is falling apart and I think this might be my last straw with mcyt. Forever, wil, dream. Who next? Every single f’ing one. Don’t f’ing meet your hero’s. And I feel similar. Like this is horrific and I hate Wil for this but I love the memories and how he made me feel.
@@BoTeal exactly. also, cause, it was 6 years ago to be fair? Idk. it's really difficult
Do not say you love him. This is heartbreaking for all. But in no way should you be condoning a domestic abuser. Its digusting and This whole crime is gut wrenching
@@BoTeal GeorgeNotFound now, sadly.
why the fuck do i still self sabotage when im finally happy???
I forget wilburs stuff has always meant so much to me i got such a crazy fuzzy feeling seeing this album first come out cos it came out of nowhere and I can't lie I maniacally chuckled as I rolled around in my bed and fell asleep with it on loop
All I can say is that I hope you are still alive and that things get better. In general. You said it always get better, so I hope you still believe that..
I honestly can't help but relate this situation to something I went through. I won't go too much into detail, but I understand. I can understand so much more now. I really hope you know that you are loved, that you can love yourself. It's hard. It's hard being surrounded with negativity constantly. But it's okay to be positive. It's okay to have hope. It's okay to admit to mistakes. It's okay to go through change. Personally, I am neutral on this current situation because it's words against words right now. I don't know anybody involved in this situation personally, so I can't pick a side. But like I said earlier, I relate my past situation to yours and I can't help but feel compassion. I don't believe it is all black and white, not until proven so and that is not the case right now. I hope you are getting proper rest. I know you need it.
Thank you for all you have done. I hope you continue to do good things in the future.
I still have those expectations of you. Please maintain them. Or better yet, try to exceed them. ;P
Love, Ella :)
Trusted you
I don't know what now
This album became a little bit of a anger/sadness management therapy for me. I know you told us YCGMA was a gift for us as you didnt relate to it anymore, its what I feel about this album. My sadness, my anger, the buzz on my ears comes out whenever I give it a listen, so when "Trying not to think about it" comes by, I can think of who I am and not who I was.
Just wanted to share a bit of what youve left in me. Dont be too hard on yourself, with regret and acceotance of our mistakes a better version of ouraelves can shine through. You don't own us anything. If usa is kind to you, live your dream. If you don't want to come back, its fair too. Thank you for everything and hope you get a bit of what you gave us in the future. Be kind.
It's silly how the album is so sad but it still manages to comfort me, the sound is just really beautiful. It came out just at the right time, when I couldn't really express all the emotions I had building up and it was like a burden, but every time I listened to the album it was like the music was expressing everything for me, it really did make life a little easier for me. and it still does, even though those emotions aren't there anymore, not as much at least. It still feels like home, its really beautiful
♫ Mammalian Sighing Reflex ♫
0:00 ───ㅇ───── 35:50
[TRACKLIST]:
• 0:00 - Amazon Standing Lamp
• 3:16 - Mine/Yours
• 6:25 - Around the Pomegranate
• 9:05 - I don't think it will ever end
• 10:32 - Glass Chalet
• 14:08 - Melatonin 130 (bpm)
• 17:57 - Oh, Distant You
• 22:30 - Eulogy
• 25:13 - Dropshipped Cat Shirt
• 27:56 - The Median
• 29:00 - Trying Not to Think About It
• 33:00 - 10 Week Rule
[LYRICS]:
Amazon Standing Lamp =
Hi, it's been a while
Oh, I can stop on by
I wonder if you'll hear this when I'm done
It's gonna be a lot more till I'm gone
Waste inside my mind
Bloodshot eyes and empty sheets
It's all downhill, 2013
Ostentatious, Austin, Texas
I get so drunk I can barely see
Hit me now before this gets too cute
Don't make me beg in this hotel room
You'd think it'd get a lot easier without you
But you were right
There's so much shit inside my mind
I must confess the second time
A lot of friends have left my life
Escaping my tractor beam of woe
One small kiss and off they go
Crying in deep vibrato
Midday missionary
Midnight loathing
Midnight cowgirl
Morning smoking
Me and my girl could go on high
My girl's the world, she fucks my life
A top-heavy Amazon Standing Lamp's
The only light left in my life
A top-heavy Amazon Basics Standing Lamp's
The only light left in my life
Mine/Yours =
Why must I feel numb, done what I've done
I've taken my cues, what I'm supposed to do
Now heave the issue, the narrative's doomed
When I hold the pen, it's throttling you
You never liked me when drunk
I start to believe you never liked me at all
And so I agree, and I'll say "Fuck you"
'Cause I know if I don't, I'll probably say
Something stupid and true
I stand just out of reach of your fists
And take myself away again, pretty slim
And dance around the subject, a figure of eight
Describe all the parts of me I'm yet to break
Count all the parts of me I'm yet to break
I count all the parts of me I'm yet to break
You kiss me like it was your job
So tender and carefully, teeth before tongue
Not in the way that the romantics do
But with the grace of a workplace HR dispute
You know, I don't need much more
But wanna be mine, wanna be yours
You know, I don't need much more
I wanna be mine, wanna be yours
I take you for granted
Because the alternative's far more alarming
Around the pomegranate =
Welcome me to spruce-bound Californian communes
These altruistic metaphors my brain force me to misconstrue
In my mind, I'm standing there sunkissed in June
In rapid eye moves, I fall right back to you
I don't want to go
You don't want to game
No one else can save me
There's someone in your walls
Where do you run
When there's nowhere else to turn to?
Hope you were good and watch you-
I haven't touched a bike since last year
I haven't felt the sea
It's pointless point projection
I used to paint these pictures of me
In my mind, I'm everything you said was true
In rapid eye moves, I fall right back to you
Every night I marry a different crowd
Canals of fire, when every voice sounds so loud
I just want to feel normal again
I just want to have meals with my friends
I just can't go through this again
Find my comfort in envisioning the end
I Don't Think It Will Ever End =
I don't think it will ever end
Hey guys
Do you wanna, do you wanna hear something funny? (Yeah)
So uh, I find myself in these cycles like a figure of eight
And it goes like this
I get sad (he gets sad)
And uh, I hide myself away for a bit which is, which is fine
But then in hiding myself I feel silly (he feels silly)
And um, responsively I start forcing myself to go out and interact with people again
Then in doing so, uh, I feel sad (he feels sad)
Which is not a good feeling when you're supposedly in a 'good phase'
So as almost a self-sabotage, if you will, uh
I get silly (he gets silly)
And then uh, um, I don't know
I'll write something else
Glass Chalet =
There's another one that I wrote to the tune of...
Let me see how it goes
I've lost my way
And when this is done
I'm running away
And when I have gone
I'll know where I'll stay
Like a bicycle
And bright blue waves
And I'll shave my head
And forget my name
'Cause I'll kill it dead
Yes, I'll kill it dead
I'm sorry for what I was saying about you
Believe me, well, I'm being really serious here
I'm digging up old bones
Use a trebuchet
I'm throwing stones
From a glass chalet
Hope it comes back home
Like a boomerang
Hit my frontal lobe
See it set free, I, free, I, free, I
I still have hope
But I kill it dead
Yes, I kill it dead
I hope
Between you and me
It sounds horrible
melatonin 130 =
The melatonin doesn't work anymore
The Valium just stops the hurt
But not the cortisol
If I can teleport from here
I'll choose the Midway Atoll
Or just the space in between your neck
Where it meets your shoulder
But just this once (but just this once)
I'd like to see the world in three-dimensions
Keep wasting 'til you're shed, we keep it simple
The breathing exercises hurt and don't do fuck-all
He said, "The beta-blockers work, but there's a system
The anxiety's not the cause, it's just a symptom"
But I know you
I'll live with you until our bones grow old
I'll still pick you like a scab or a mole
And I'll pull you into a dive or a stall
Ain't that miserable?
Ain't that miserable?
Ain't that miserable?
Help, why the fuck do I still self-sabotage
When I'm finally happy
Oh, oh
Woo, wa, wa, wa
Oh, hey, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah
So it turns out everyone just hopes to God you're failing
And if you claim that you eat my words
Then take this as a warning
Nothing around here fucking works
We're just flat-out boring
We're all apes with a diary book
And corporate reads your pages
I've just been doing, like, music and stuff
oh distant you =
I remember it well
Smoked the last of the weed beside your armchair
Said you were tired
You said you need something, need something to hold
So I gave you my coat
You chose to lean on me, lean on me instead
I hate the way that I talk
When the words won't give off
The kind of praise esteemed of you
And what the hell could I say
When you're two stars from grace
And the world turns for you?
I'm just saying, man
If the Lord worked oh so kindly
He could whip me up a clone of you
But I still wouldn't glance
'Cause the thought of someone further
'Cause I'd have to take a month off work
To sit down in the kitchen
And explain all our in-jokes
And teach her all our fiction
And cry with her to Wall-E
And still, I'd fuckin' miss ya
And finally, it hit me
That I was not the fix-all
I was just the villain
And every single modicum of energy
I gave to all the little things
Compounded my placidity
And drove out all the good things
And made life, oh, so heavy
And now I can't wake up and talk to you
Oh, distant you
Oh, gorgeous you
Oh, you
eulogy =
You linger in doorways
Uncomfortably
It seems to me that always
You're about to leave
Roll corner bedsheets off my bed
Press eyeballs up against eyelids
The problem with being fucked like you're hated
Is it's hard not to be convinced
The diary, a eulogy of a world famous satire
Oh please, just let me live
Your fingers dig into my lap
And baptize your anger, then fall back to back
If I could rewind the time
I'd stay there in England
We'll have a glass of wine
And watch fatal car crash compilations
All I can see
Is a wasted opportunity
All I can be
Is a diagram for desperation
Want to enjoy sad music
But it's all with the same context
Words they weave and how they choose to use it
Someone else wronged the subject
I wish I'd be
The one who's hurt indignantly
But I can see
The only one who's hurt someone is me
dropshipped cat shirt =
Skinny jeans on the bench press
You burn the candle at both ends
If anyone ask why
Then they're not worth your time
Why am I so out of breath?
Club sandwich pressed in north end
Grittled shank on rye
A gunshot at half-time
Adoration of the mystic land
That idea of me, who was that man?
A wooly picket line
Intestinal red wine
Now it's hard not to suspect
Your lying tell is bated breath
I inhale for suspense
You triggered my mammalian sighing reflex
So I take everything as a lesson
Something I trained out of myself
With mindless self-indulging confidence
Indulge me in whatever quick release I could muster
Social media, carbohydrates and cannabis
The world was my oyster
And I was the knife by which they'd shuck
But now he's dead, he's gone
I fucking start anew
I'm a developmental beast, wrong version of myself
16 bathrooms, 16 bedrooms, 16 fridges
64-bit computers, 15 of them
Oh, how nice it must be
To feel so bored
I just need to find someone to tell me
I'm just tired
the median =
Please don't ask what these words mean
Just please don't misinterpret me
trying not to think about it =
You said it's over now
Not tomorrow, not the next day, not any day
You said you'd figured out what can move me
Darling, I figured that out too late
No time for Tylenol, Salbutamol
Fuck my life, you cared when I was sick
No one ever gave a shit
You said you gave the world, I took it all
You fought this war one-sided, asked me
"What am I doing this for?"
It should've been you
Well now it's you
Never been the one for romance
Never thought that I'd get married
Never been the kind to give a shared life a second glance
Sеlfish prose, a lifestyle of a stainеd-glass window
Wonder what colours and shapes I'll throw
I look to the horizon, and all I ever saw was
A background for my phone
It should've been you
The constant and the undiscovered you
Well now it's you
What a perfect time for realisation
I'll wake up early
I'll watch the sunrise
I never liked the rain but sunshine
Hasn't worked its charms of late
Call my mother, tell her I love her
You know I never had the guts to say
"I'll dream of summer, I'll dream of you and me
And that coyote, lying out in the shade"
Just tell me one thing
When your heart finds its place
Just take a step back and smile
When you're sat in a better place
We could've kicked my ass together
We could've slapped my face together
We could've stitched my mind together
If only I knew what to say
We could've kicked my ass together
We could've slapped my face together
We could've stitched my mind together
So this is how I lose you
10 week rule =
Tell me what happened
Did the love lust leave your life?
Did you start thinking ways to fill the void
Replaced with endless scrolling spite
And if you look out the window
Do you see the big wider world?
Or is it just another tissue paper
Fragile painting of the Earth?
I'm gonna get an abortion
I'm gonna lose my mind
In about ten weeks from now
You'll forget me
Tell me, how you're doing?
Was it a casual oversight?
That led you to the point, do you figure
You were put here just to die?
Waiting for the firing squad
You're quaking at the knees
Praying to any God who'll listen
You get your vitamin D, oh
I'm gonna get an abortion
I'm gonna lose my mind
In about ten weeks from now
It will all be fine
i’m still here wilbur. there’s loads of people still here for you. truly do hope you are getting better. #wilbursupportsquad
I'm still grieving
hope you’re looking after yourself.
Miss you will x
As someone who looked up to wilbur and lovejoy (no longer do) I can say that i'm beyond hurt and disappointed
I know I'm a random stranger whom's feelings don't matter too much but I really thought that i could look up to you . turns out that everyone i look up to proves me to not.
I support the victim always, I hope that you properly apologize to shelby. and those whom were hurt by you
I don't know how to feel about this or deal with this but if anyone else is feeling the way i do, remember that you will be fine, We had no way of knowing.
i bought a lovejoy hoodie this summer it costed me 80 usd now i dont know what to do with it. there is a part of me who want to believe that maybe lovejoy can survive without wilbur or even continue with wilbur but i truly know that it will not.
@@layton2341 I believe you should just keep it as something from your past or sell it if someone would even buy it
I want to believe that lovejoy would survive but the truth is- only joe from lovejoy is non problematic. I really hope you feel better now; if you need someone to talk to, I'm here!
Keep in mind their is not evidence to these accusations other than the response
@@ImTorryTF2 im sorry but they literally admitted .
please come back. We miss you dearly and hope your doing good. It will all be over soon, you still have people that support you. We all know you’re trying to get better. You saved me and many others. ❤Please take care of yourself and Godspeed 🔥
Sorry will, hope you take care of yourself man.
i can’t help but feel disappointed in myself.
i used to find so much comfort in what you created, you were there in times when i felt at the edge. now i just feel disgusting.
why did you make me like you so much for all these years? i can’t even begin to imagine the number of people who feel betrayed by you. vulnerable people who looked up to you and trusted you.
i was one of them.
now it feels like i’ve lost something dear to me, which makes me so angry because this situation isn’t about me - but why did you have to ruin everything? deceive so many good hearts. it sickens me, and terrifies me that i didn’t even have any suspicions over the 5 years i’ve spent watching your streams, videos.. and listening to your music.
stand with the victims. send all of your love, energy and support towards them. abuse is never tolerated. i’m so proud of Shelby for being so brave.
You put just what I was feeling into words, thank you. This is such a huge disappointment. All my support goes to Shelby.
Hes so gut wretching, I am just utterly digusted
i’ve been through the ringer these past two months. mine/yours is the biggest punch in the gut and biggest comfort in the world to me. MSR is a masterpiece. it has helped me through more than you’ll ever know. thank you, Will.
We miss you. We're still here. Please come back, we're waiting, I promise.
VOUCH
We all left. None of us are here. Some sick sick people may still be here.
@@James_pookieottwhy are you still here,6hours ago,listening to him then…
@@James_pookieottwhy are you still in his comment section then?
@@Lynnissilly to look at comments
I really hope you’re becoming a better person, I’m not defending what you did, because we all know it wasn’t okay but I truly believe you are, considering the fact all of this happened a while ago and you are getting help. I know that you know that everything is going to change for you now, but I hope everything turns out okay for you and everyone else involved.
Every single song is so good man, the amount of emotion is crazy, stay safe wilbur
This album is more than a 10/10, it's also experimental. When other artists do experimental projects, there's almost always a "but", do you know what I mean? And these "but"s bring the experience down just a bit. However mammalian sighing reflex has none of that. The unconventional way it's presented evokes raw feelings from me, from their core, before they're processed by my own brain. I have no idea how Wilbur did this all by himself. A team of "peak professionals" could never accomplish this, this is something only a passionate individual could create. Utterly beautiful.
imma be real, when i knew about the whole dramma thing (dont have twitter) i thought:
"damn... wilbur's mind was still kinda fucked after all these years... that's so sad, i thougth he was on the right tracks after all this time.
ON THE OTHER HAAAAND
Think about all the sad songs like YCGMA we about to get"
and then find out it was already uploaded. we cannot force justice upon actions of others we think are right or wrong. We can, however, enjoy this songs
Hey wilbur, i'd say i'm currently at the lowest point of my life, who i thought was the love of my life randomly dumped me, i hate the city i live in and i have no idea where to go in life, but your music helps me so so so much more than you could ever think, thanks
Hi, its me the pixels on a screen trying my best to help. I know that you can probably feel isolated like there’s no where to go in life. But trust me, no wait, don’t even trust me, I’m not gonna try to act like I know what I’m saying, I know nothing about the real world outside of my small sheltered society. I do know that there’s opportunity out there though. The issue I’ve dealt with though is the motivation to work toward those goals. But if you find that motivation, if you find your “why”, then you’ll be able to conquer any sort of “how” Let those that leave go and find those who will go with you to where you have to be. We’re here for you 🫶
@@lapisthedragon671 thanks, really means a lot
@@romrom83
Hey ik I'm a random person on a screen but look I really hope it gets better. I know it will it happend with me last year. But leaving people or try someone is worth it sometimes. But if not we as a community is always here for us. I hope you feel better have a good day, month, year Valentine's day 🫶🫶--random person
with what happened recently, i hope you are doing well right now. his music helped me back in my lowest points too, i wouldn't wish those times on my worst enemy, and the betrayal i and most likely you feel too is immense. just know that if you're in your lowest point, the only way is up. things will get better. life moves on. we will find other artists, other people to look up to, other comfort music.
I'm sorry if this is comment is poorly put together. i don't interact with strangers on line, let alone other fans of things i like, but none of my friends looked up to him like me, so i need someone to talk to about this.
regardless, ill be thinking about you, stranger :]