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I have great results with the Jonsbo Heatsink with a 10-15 degree celsius drop. First of all, my M.2 came without any heatsink and the motherboard neither. I have a Samsung SSD that is one sided. For one sided SSDs you have to put a thick thermal pad at the bottom and a thick thermal pad at the top. Then you slightly squeeze it all together. If you can slide the heatsink easily in, there is obviously no good contact between the metal frame and the heatsink.
faced the same problem with my Evo 970 plus...finally realized its the controller that is always the hottest (not that hot! THAT hot!). But despite the high temps I am not using any heat-sync, still it works fine.
Thanks for the review. I'm trying to choose a heatsink right now and was strongly considering the Jonsbo. From the research I've done, I've gotten mixed reviews on all the heatsinks. Some people seem to have good luck with them while others notice little if any difference in temperature change. This makes me wonder if the performance of a heatsink is effected dependent on its location on the motherboard. As one commentator suggested, having an m.2 too close to a graphics card could be a problem. You might be fighting an uphill battle against heat saturation in that circumstance. Little one can do about that, though, short of either switching to a different motherboard or placing the graphics card in a different slot or mounting it vertically. I just can't see any sense in spending a ton of money on a heatsink system for my nvme's. I'm certainly not going to invest in water cooling for those, especially since I have three on my motherboard. The more I read, the more I'm convinced to just get some cheap, simple heatsinks and experiment with the thermal pads. One interesting fact I've learned is that while the heat in the controller needs to be controlled, the other chips actually need to stay warm or they may degrade. So here you have a situation where one end of your SSD needs to be cooled, while the other end... Not so much. So I was thinking about mounting thermally conductive pads on my controllers and thermally insulated pads on the NAND and DRAM chips. From what I've learned; cooling down the controller is the key. I'll make sure all the pads are level by using different thicknesses before I mount the heatsink. I doubt this will make a difference in cooling, but may help with longevity. There does seem to be a controversy at the moment over whether heatsink are even necessary on nvme's, but I feel something is better than nothing, and I intend to experiment a bit.
There is absolutely no sense in spending a ton on cooling an NVMe. It's just easier to sell the current one used if it's too hot and try your luck with a new one instead. What you have written as a solution above, I have seen a video somewhere on RUclips describing the same solution. So I understand exactly what you mean.
@@MrMuBot ordered two Archgon heatsinks. Saw a comparison test on another RUclips channel and it placed second. The first place design was like a cooling tower with pipes and fins... No thanks. The Archgon looks amazing and isn't very expensive. It is quite a chunk of aluminum, though. The comparison seemed to show that the thermal sinks with greater mass performed better, which makes sense.
You place the thermal pad wrong it should be 0.5mm thermal pad on the first 31mm of the 970 evo starting after the screw port and 1mm thermal on the second half (37mm)of the 970evo at thr front of the 970evo
The manufacturer sticker on the drive should be the culprit. That might be acting as an insulator. They should stop putting labels on the chip side for 2 reasons. 1) maybe it acts as an insulator and 2) the pad could destroy the serial number and other details on the label over time and hence void the warranty. And by the way, as pad thickness increases the thermal conductivity decreases. A 0.5mm pad conducts more heat than 2mm pad, and that's why they ask to put thinner on the heatsink. 👍
@@MrMuBot then maybe the pads are not conductive and needs something like gelid or grizzly pads. I wouldn't invest in those for budget drives but maybe in your case it might help. Actually i think i have seen some video showing the nands actually do not cross 60 deg. Its the controller chip that gets hot (like 90s sometimes) and using a heatsink with pads is actually reducing controller temperature but at the same time increases nand temperature and that's actually doing more bad for the drive. Don't remember where. All in all its just another pita for the consumer i guess.
Don't listen to this guy, i came here to figure out how to install the heatsink because mine came without instructions and everything else was in native Chinese, anyhow i used it on the evo 970 Evo Plus 1TB and it losered its temp (at least sccording to samsung magician) from mid to high 50s to mid 40s on Idle degrees Celsius, im sorry it didnt work out for you but one thing i did differently from him was i removed the plastic lable sheet of my evo plus idk if that helped with the diffrent result or not.
I was considering the Corsair or Western Digital Black M.2s just because they come with integrated heatsinks, even their speed isn't as good as Samsung's
Maybe you don't have good airflow around that area, it after all also looks like it sits right below your graphics card, and something like a 3080/ 3080 Ti is known to REALLY kick out some super heat. try shifting the M.2 slot elsewhere?
I have swapped my other M.2 SSD on that M.2 slot and it has performed as good as it does on the other slot(above the GPU and below the CPU socket). The EVO 970 plus needs a chunky heatsink with heat pipes and more stuff if that can help it.
I don't know why Samsung's M.2s doesn't have integrated heat sinks, since they normally keep temps at least 10º C below the recommended limit by Samsung of 70º C under heavy load, and I read a LOT of comments of people getting pretty high temps, like above 60º C even idle. Maybe they do that to make it cheaper, but it sucks real bad
The memory chips can run hot. It's the controller that needs to run cooler than what it is on the EVO 970 Plus. But so far the drive has run fine despite those temperatures. So there's that too.
Haha really sharp writing and narration, very good. Why thin pad UNDER the SSD? You need to consider the material stackup of the PCB and the semiconductor ICs. The PCB has copper inner layers (ground pour, voltage pours) which are connected to each chip on dozens of pads, it's a very good thermal and electrical connection, directly to the semiconductor, with the semiconductor die being is at the very bottom of the IC package. Then the semiconductor is packaged on top into a layer of carbon-black epoxy which has shit thermal conductivity. So most of the cooling is going to be happening down through the PCB. So there's actual logic to this. In fact they should probably build the SSDs backwards i feel, with the chips facing the mainboard and with all the cooling happening on the backside. Should it make a difference? For real, no, probably not. None of this. It's just all a consistently hot blob of hotness that you can just cool wherever you please.
Brother you made a big mistake. You should have removed the Samsung sticker on the nvme. If the sticker is on it, heat transfer will not be optimal hence you are not getting much difference. Try this with your stock mobo heatsink, you will see the difference.
@@MrMuBot Nope, I have tested it myself. Just try, you will see the difference. FYI never use more than 1 thermal interface between the heat source and metal, conductivity will always be poor.
i actually bought it before i even saw this video. the only result i got were some scars on my finger of when i was pushing the metal part ... temperature is still the same ..
Thanks man, got that same (about the same: X570-PRO) motherboard and the M.2 is off the motherboard and waiting to start a cooling solution. This is that lower slot. On the upper slot I have an M.2 2T with it's own heatsink. Do not know yet how that works out.
I’ve got the same board, and SSD I have mine in the slot above the GPU. It’s not running hot, unless the windows provided tempts are wrong. Also did you solve your issue? And I have two 120mm fans pulling cold air into the case
I've tested this heatsink today. I can confirm, with the ssd label removed there is an 8-10 degree difference in average temperature of the controller - which is usually the hottest component. The heatsink works just fine. Yes, you will probably void warranty removing the label but thats a risk im willing to take - these drives are so cheap these days. Samsung really is being nasty making it void your warranty by removing the label. They should be putting the label on the bottom of the drive.
Hmmmm I gotta try that then with the 970 evo plus. I tried it on my 2nd nvme and the difference wasn't there with and without sticker on. So I didn't bother to check it with the Samsung.
Lol i think its just cosmetic things to have for m2, here I'm using rgb one 😂 Mind says remove this, it's not cooling but thn eyes here wins it looks cool😎 RGB
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Was hoping one would work, but still enjoyed the video... like your humor. Hope the channel goes well.
Thanks!
Would be amazing if you have tested without any heatsink since lot of motherboards don't have it or have only 1 heatsink but 3 nvme entries.
I have great results with the Jonsbo Heatsink with a 10-15 degree celsius drop. First of all, my M.2 came without any heatsink and the motherboard neither. I have a Samsung SSD that is one sided. For one sided SSDs you have to put a thick thermal pad at the bottom and a thick thermal pad at the top. Then you slightly squeeze it all together. If you can slide the heatsink easily in, there is obviously no good contact between the metal frame and the heatsink.
faced the same problem with my Evo 970 plus...finally realized its the controller that is always the hottest (not that hot! THAT hot!). But despite the high temps I am not using any heat-sync, still it works fine.
Hahaha. Yeah I'm doing the same.
Thanks for the review. I'm trying to choose a heatsink right now and was strongly considering the Jonsbo. From the research I've done, I've gotten mixed reviews on all the heatsinks. Some people seem to have good luck with them while others notice little if any difference in temperature change. This makes me wonder if the performance of a heatsink is effected dependent on its location on the motherboard. As one commentator suggested, having an m.2 too close to a graphics card could be a problem. You might be fighting an uphill battle against heat saturation in that circumstance. Little one can do about that, though, short of either switching to a different motherboard or placing the graphics card in a different slot or mounting it vertically.
I just can't see any sense in spending a ton of money on a heatsink system for my nvme's. I'm certainly not going to invest in water cooling for those, especially since I have three on my motherboard. The more I read, the more I'm convinced to just get some cheap, simple heatsinks and experiment with the thermal pads. One interesting fact I've learned is that while the heat in the controller needs to be controlled, the other chips actually need to stay warm or they may degrade. So here you have a situation where one end of your SSD needs to be cooled, while the other end... Not so much. So I was thinking about mounting thermally conductive pads on my controllers and thermally insulated pads on the NAND and DRAM chips. From what I've learned; cooling down the controller is the key. I'll make sure all the pads are level by using different thicknesses before I mount the heatsink. I doubt this will make a difference in cooling, but may help with longevity.
There does seem to be a controversy at the moment over whether heatsink are even necessary on nvme's, but I feel something is better than nothing, and I intend to experiment a bit.
There is absolutely no sense in spending a ton on cooling an NVMe. It's just easier to sell the current one used if it's too hot and try your luck with a new one instead.
What you have written as a solution above, I have seen a video somewhere on RUclips describing the same solution. So I understand exactly what you mean.
@@MrMuBot ordered two Archgon heatsinks. Saw a comparison test on another RUclips channel and it placed second. The first place design was like a cooling tower with pipes and fins... No thanks. The Archgon looks amazing and isn't very expensive. It is quite a chunk of aluminum, though. The comparison seemed to show that the thermal sinks with greater mass performed better, which makes sense.
@@edmellogan6777 oh cool. Will check that one.
1:32 Whoa you got instructions? I got only the manufacturer packaging in Chinese, which is why I'm here.
Oh haha
You place the thermal pad wrong it should be 0.5mm thermal pad on the first 31mm of the 970 evo starting after the screw port and 1mm thermal on the second half (37mm)of the 970evo at thr front of the 970evo
Yes I read that later somewhere and tried it. It didn't help much. My drive or Evo 970 Plus in general is hot.
Pretty good explanation, thank you
The manufacturer sticker on the drive should be the culprit. That might be acting as an insulator. They should stop putting labels on the chip side for 2 reasons. 1) maybe it acts as an insulator and 2) the pad could destroy the serial number and other details on the label over time and hence void the warranty.
And by the way, as pad thickness increases the thermal conductivity decreases. A 0.5mm pad conducts more heat than 2mm pad, and that's why they ask to put thinner on the heatsink. 👍
I read at a few places that these stickers are decent conductors of heat. I just feel my drive is especially hot.
@@MrMuBot then maybe the pads are not conductive and needs something like gelid or grizzly pads. I wouldn't invest in those for budget drives but maybe in your case it might help.
Actually i think i have seen some video showing the nands actually do not cross 60 deg. Its the controller chip that gets hot (like 90s sometimes) and using a heatsink with pads is actually reducing controller temperature but at the same time increases nand temperature and that's actually doing more bad for the drive. Don't remember where. All in all its just another pita for the consumer i guess.
Yes I've read something similar too. The drive is running fine and has really shown any hiccup. So I've stopped being concerned about it.
Don't listen to this guy, i came here to figure out how to install the heatsink because mine came without instructions and everything else was in native Chinese, anyhow i used it on the evo 970 Evo Plus 1TB and it losered its temp (at least sccording to samsung magician) from mid to high 50s to mid 40s on Idle degrees Celsius, im sorry it didnt work out for you but one thing i did differently from him was i removed the plastic lable sheet of my evo plus idk if that helped with the diffrent result or not.
I hope you know every drive would've variations on them. Also mine is pretty old and if yours is newer then that might've played a major role too.
@@MrMuBot I think the key point he was making was to remove the sticker.
This is why I like the SSD with already integrated heatsink like Corsair MP600 pro. :)
A thick integrated heatsink will always help.
I was considering the Corsair or Western Digital Black M.2s just because they come with integrated heatsinks, even their speed isn't as good as Samsung's
Maybe you don't have good airflow around that area, it after all also looks like it sits right below your graphics card, and something like a 3080/ 3080 Ti is known to REALLY kick out some super heat.
try shifting the M.2 slot elsewhere?
I have swapped my other M.2 SSD on that M.2 slot and it has performed as good as it does on the other slot(above the GPU and below the CPU socket). The EVO 970 plus needs a chunky heatsink with heat pipes and more stuff if that can help it.
@@MrMuBot that's just sad then...
Nice I will definitely be sure to buy a 970 plus next time.
Hahaha
The 1mm Copper heatsinks are a lot better than the aluminum ones.
I don't know why Samsung's M.2s doesn't have integrated heat sinks, since they normally keep temps at least 10º C below the recommended limit by Samsung of 70º C under heavy load, and I read a LOT of comments of people getting pretty high temps, like above 60º C even idle. Maybe they do that to make it cheaper, but it sucks real bad
The memory chips can run hot. It's the controller that needs to run cooler than what it is on the EVO 970 Plus. But so far the drive has run fine despite those temperatures. So there's that too.
It also looks good aesthetically especially you don't have a heatsink for nvme
Haha really sharp writing and narration, very good.
Why thin pad UNDER the SSD? You need to consider the material stackup of the PCB and the semiconductor ICs. The PCB has copper inner layers (ground pour, voltage pours) which are connected to each chip on dozens of pads, it's a very good thermal and electrical connection, directly to the semiconductor, with the semiconductor die being is at the very bottom of the IC package. Then the semiconductor is packaged on top into a layer of carbon-black epoxy which has shit thermal conductivity. So most of the cooling is going to be happening down through the PCB. So there's actual logic to this. In fact they should probably build the SSDs backwards i feel, with the chips facing the mainboard and with all the cooling happening on the backside.
Should it make a difference? For real, no, probably not. None of this. It's just all a consistently hot blob of hotness that you can just cool wherever you please.
Great analysis but the last liner sums this SSD in particular haha.
Brother you made a big mistake. You should have removed the Samsung sticker on the nvme. If the sticker is on it, heat transfer will not be optimal hence you are not getting much difference. Try this with your stock mobo heatsink, you will see the difference.
These stickers are good conductors of heat so they weren't the problem here
@@MrMuBot Nope, I have tested it myself. Just try, you will see the difference. FYI never use more than 1 thermal interface between the heat source and metal, conductivity will always be poor.
The thing is, in most cases, removing the label will void the warranty on your drive.
Thank you for this video going to keep my 970 evo plus without one and just not use it as a server should be fine!
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i actually bought it before i even saw this video. the only result i got were some scars on my finger of when i was pushing the metal part ... temperature is still the same ..
That's a true sad story.
Thanks man, got that same (about the same: X570-PRO) motherboard and the M.2 is off the motherboard and waiting to start a cooling solution.
This is that lower slot. On the upper slot I have an M.2 2T with it's own heatsink. Do not know yet how that works out.
How to remove the heatsink in future
Worked on Crucial P3 its not almost 10°c cooler
Lol I have the same motherboard with a crucial p5 under that heatsink, generally hover around 40 degrees. That 970 must be insanely hot.
IT IS!
I’ve got the same board, and SSD I have mine in the slot above the GPU. It’s not running hot, unless the windows provided tempts are wrong. Also did you solve your issue?
And I have two 120mm fans pulling cold air into the case
No this just runs hot.
Ambient temperature 31 degrees. As a brazilian I feel you, bro.
Haha yeah it gets pretty pathetic.
Would this be enough for a PS5? I assume the PS5 doesn't heat these like a PC would.
Yes but get a nvme which isn't infamous for being too hot.
I have a 2 TBM.2 gen 3 installed in a gen 2 slot and it gets very hot as in Yikes that hurt is this type of heat normal.
Which drive is it?
@@MrMuBot It is the WD Black SN750
I've tested this heatsink today. I can confirm, with the ssd label removed there is an 8-10 degree difference in average temperature of the controller - which is usually the hottest component.
The heatsink works just fine. Yes, you will probably void warranty removing the label but thats a risk im willing to take - these drives are so cheap these days.
Samsung really is being nasty making it void your warranty by removing the label. They should be putting the label on the bottom of the drive.
Hmmmm I gotta try that then with the 970 evo plus. I tried it on my 2nd nvme and the difference wasn't there with and without sticker on. So I didn't bother to check it with the Samsung.
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Hey bud.
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Ambient temp 31? So hot there!
Yes haha.
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Ohhhh heatsink.
Please review Asiahorse m.2 Heatsink
Will check if I can.
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Lol i think its just cosmetic things to have for m2, here I'm using rgb one 😂 Mind says remove this, it's not cooling but thn eyes here wins it looks cool😎 RGB
A few ssds do benefit greatly. Evo 970 plus is stubborn against getting cooled down.
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