RDNA 5 - The RTX 50 KILLER? RTX 60 To Fight AMD Chiplet GPUs
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RDNA 5 - The RTX 50 KILLER? RTX 60 To Fight AMD Chiplet GPUs
In this exclusive, we dive into AMD's RDNA 5, and the upcoming fight between RDNA 5 and RTX 50. Could RDNA 5 FINALLY be the Nvidia killer? In this video, we discuss not only RTX 50 vs RDNA 5, but also touch on the hardware specs of both AMD and Nvidia next gen GPUs, but also what we've been hearing regarding the architecture improvements for both RTX 50 Blackwell and AMD RDNA 5. And of course, as important as the question of specifications is, the questions on most PC gamers' minds will be on the gaming and ray tracing performance, but also on the MSRP pricing.
As crucial as competing in specs and performance is, the affordability of the prices is going to be a crucial factor in who WINS in the battle of RDNA 5 vs RTX 50. Plus, we also have a little but on RTX 60 Ruben, and how Nvidia are allegedly positioning this graphics card to FIGHT AMD chiplet GPUs.
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0:00 Start
0:02 Today's topic
0:47 WhoKeys
1:37 RDNA 4 recap
4:11 RNDA 4 Vs RTX 50 - Nvidia
8:30 RDNA 4 Vs RTX 50 - AMD
13:34 RTX 60 Ruben
15:36 Wrap up
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Hearrd it before with Polaris, Vega, RDNA, RDNA 2, RDNA 3. Although to be fair, expectations have been managed with RDNA 4.
Yeah I have been on the AMD hype train for several rounds now but are starting to learn to manage my expectations for them...
Don't expect too much on RDNA 4 it's just a refresh of RDNA3. RDNA 5 is a different machine, this is what I am waiting on.
I will believe it when I see it
Amd can never win
Prepare to be waiting for a long time....lol
@@xlr8r2010 been 10 years I gave up waiting
@@doomslayerforever2858Well, you missed Radeon HD 7950.
@@ek2who I was using my used 1080ti for the longest time now sticking with the 3070 till I can afford a 5080 and wait another 5 to 10 years
At the end of the day, most people still play with 5-6 years old midrange cards.
7 😢
I still play with my decade old igpu.
7 years old Vega 56 still serve well
This has been the narrative for 15 years.
And it was true for a long time too, people just don't like AMD for some reason? HD 3000 series was as good but loads cheaper, HD 4000 and 5000 series were better, 6000 was on par, 7000 was a bit slower but still damn good. RX 6000 was great, RX 400 and 200 series were great.
If we go further back, we could get even better results. x1000/x800 were great, Radeon 9000 were kicking nVidia's ass. That's 2 and a bit decades of GPUs covered.
AMD still never went past 50% of the market. AMD gave up on GPUs.
I could swear I have heard this before, "This time AMD will be on top guys, seriously, for real.."
They are 7900 GRE has been amazing. Also fsr 3. ;) my 3090 doubles its fps thanks to amd.
Also ps5 pro will raw dog 4080
Meanwhile Nvidia speculation is just over exactly how expensive they are going to make their GPU that beats everything, when its going to launch, and speculation over precisely how much its going to smoke everything else by.
They can't even kill 4090 yet let alone 5000 series
if amd graphics division had a brain, they wouldnt touch the 4090 and instead sell good cards like the 6700xt for $300 or lower and they would 100% win the market
edit: to explain further because some dumbass don't understand, i meant 6700xt performance wise or better for $300 or lower would be the best gpu for everyones gaming needs
Can they even match the 3090 ti?
@@curie1420 you mean like they used to be back when the HD 5870 eyefinity released?
you know the HD 5870 beat Nvidia in everything & no one bought it so doesn't matter when AMD does win.
@@baunax the 7900 XTX matches or slightly exceeds the 3090 ti in ray tracing already.
@@curie1420 unless you play at 1440P or 4K or play any VR games. If they could compete at the 80 class level then it would be amazing. also its cheaper to but high end (not the top) than to buy mid tier and upgrading constantly
"We know we gaslit you the last 10 times, but it'll be different this time guys"
Every gen we say the same crap “this year is the year amd win”, and they always find a way to screw it up or disappoint.
This is even more pathetic though because it's next next Gen. They're saying in 2026 they'll match or beat the 5090 while falling short of the 6090 that'll be out at the same time. But you know, RDNA15 will compete with the 9090 in 10 years so it's all good man
This historically incorrect. Ask intel about how to underestimate AMD.
You are correct, I'm pretty sure they can't win. It is what it is. They are still behind with upscaling technologies. You could argue it doesn't even matter if one of their cards is slightly faster.
It sounds like you're happy about it. The tears will come when you want to buy your next overpriced green GPU and see the price. Even if RDNA4 only appears in the middle class because there is no high-end offshoot. These cards aren't bad products.
it is an uphill battle for radeon, they are going vs company that's bigger than whole AMD, rather than just small division, have way more funds, and are way more ahead in lots of techs, for me, them keeping up like that is almost a miracle, and looking at Ghost of Tsushima with FSR that looks like 3.1 beta build, it even has less shimmering in foliage than dlss (talking about grass) from what i've seen in videos, blooming of fire sparks is worse
so first they need to get on equal footing, then we can talk about passing by, because pure raster can be achieved most probably, worse thing is technologies like reflex, DLSS, RT
AMD fanbois are exactly the same as Call of Duty fanbois: "This time its going to be the one!" (is never the one).
And as Nvida Fanbois are the same as Escape from Tarkov Player. Real True Belivers. xD
We already talking about RTX 60... HUH...
I HAVE SOME EXCLUSIVE NEWS AS WELL!
RTX 70 WILL BE FASTER THAN RTX 60 AND 50! OMGGGGGGGGGG
RTX 80 will be faster then RTX 70. RDNA 6 will be faster then RDNA 5.... bah bah bah
@@datukseng8825 NO WAAAAY!!1!1!!!! 😯😯😯
I am calling it now, after rtx70 or 80 series we will move to ptx or aix series, and rumor is it will be way faster than the rtx80 series
Man you crack me up everytime you say nvidia killer , you been saying this since last 10 years , your prediction hasnt come true, lol
Remember Betteridge's Law Of headlines
@malcaniscsm5184 He becoming like "The boy who cried Wolf" in the Aesop's fable. My guess is that it's another false alarm and they'll be no wolf, yet again!!
If you keep raising a false alarm over what turns out to nothing, all it does is damages you reliability and credance. To a point where people simply won't believe what you say anymore. Even if for once, you do actually tell the truth.
AMD admited that the initial RDNA3 plan was supposed to have 144 CUs but reduced it to 96 CUs only because they fear of their flagship GPU costing over 1600 dollars and they think no one will buy an AMD GPU over 1100 dollars because Nvidia has more mindshare. but they are wrong. anyone who wants to buy a flagship GPU looks through youtube and the web to see which one is faster and they will buy the fastest and having the fastest flagship GPU will increase the sales of lower end and mid range GPUs by a lot because people say wow RX 7000 has a flagship that beats RTX 4090 / TI by 35 percent. why shouldn't I buy a 7600 XT or 7700XT or 7800 XT ? AMD COULD WIN EASILY BUT THEY DECIDED TO LOSE.
@CyrusGameWorlds I completely agree. I've had similar conversations in regards to Intel's GPUs not being taken seriously until they produce a top of the market GPU. Same concept though, someone needs to produce a card that legitimately competes with Nvidia's 90s model if they want to make a serious impact on the remainder of the market.
If Nvidia wants to go even higher in power draw, they may want to use a connector that can actually handle the power first.
The connection is rated to handle up to 600w. The connector could be tweaked to be totally reliable.
It can handle the power, The problem is user error (made worse by the design) and no good locking mechanism
Ya'll said this about the 7900xtx and look how that turned out! One thing I know is AMD will screw it up!
If they're really that good, why don't they make RDNA 4 the capable RTX50 killer?
there's really no reason for wasting 2 years budget just to refresh your current architecture when you can make a champion product that's gonna sell well..
Well there is, by allowing the prices to swell with Blackwell, AMD can conveniently price around it with rdna5. This unfortunately triggers the brand loyalists.
The rumor from past leaks here and elsewhere is that AMD ran into technical hurdles with trying to do larger RDNA4 in chiplets, and they see overcoming those hurdles to not be worth as much as investing more heavily in making RDNA5 better and available earlier.
Did you even watch the video or are you just a nvidiot making nonsensical comments? RDNA3 missed its targets and RDNA4 is more of a fix. RDNA5 is a bigger architectural change with MCM design, that's how they think they are going to leapfrog in performance.
In case you didn't know, this isn't the first time AMD skipped high end cards. They did so with RDNA1 and they came back extremely strong and competitive with RDNA2. There isn't just 1 design team and they don't design a GPU one after another. RDNA5 has started its design and development even before RDNA3 was released.
As for being a Nvidia killer, in fact most if not all AMD cards are the better price/performance cards. But most consumers are unsavvy and would buy nVidia anyway because Nvidia has the budget to create a 4090 class card with a $2000 price tag and 450w tdp that doesn't make much revenue selling to less than 1% of the consumers just so they can gain mind shares from nvidiots.
@@kenshirogenjuro873 wait a minute... so if that's the case then, what are they gonna do with RDNA 4?
@@WOTM8 it seems just what most of these leaks have been suggesting for many months at this point. AMD scrapped their original Navi designs (N41, N42, N43) in favor of a couple of small improvised single-die chips (N44 and N48) that presumably/hopefully weren’t too much time and money to draw up that they can sell in large volume for an abbreviated generation.
There could be other explanations too, though. These are just leaks after all.
At this point, RDNA5 will barely ven be out before RTX 60. Also I have yet to trust AMD will ever be even close to raytracing performance compared to nvidia.
I don't know how far AMD will go with architectural changes, but it's not like NVIDIA will just wait around for them to play catch-up.
This could very well be another RDNA3 situation, so I'm not too hopeful for AMD here.
Nvidia made so much money since 2020. Their research and development will be so far ahead of Radeon, it's going to be ridiculous. I think the gap between Nvidia and AMD in performance and features will INCREASE in the coming years, not get smaller.
@@Violet-ui Nvidia is rich now, its so fanboy to say AMD will Catch Up.
@@venusprinzj8094 Unfortunately yes, it looks like we're heading towards total Nvidia domination
Soon budget GPUs will be 500 bucks. Oh wait, the 4060 Ti already did that. Soon budget GPUs will be 1000 bucks
@@venusprinzj8094 but nvidia is going to pump most of that R&D into Ai designs, they don’t need to worry about anything else. Gaming is going to be more of a software/driver development cost and they will simply advance what they have designed for Ai into what scraps they sell as gaming GPUs, kind of like what they have done since Titan Volta. Cause we are getting scraps. And that’s not really an argument, that’s just an observation.
Monolithic dies are the past, folks. It's why, along with competition from AI market, that nVidia are so damn expensive. nVidia (actually TSMC) simply cannot continue creating dies 700mm sq. It's approaching the physical limits of EUV litho. Blackwell is underscoring nVidia's diminishing returns on transistor density.
Chiplet architecture was always a long game for AMD and now its finally paying off. And > 380 CU RDNA is just the brute force approach to rendering we need to stop paying $3000 for a GPU and the 2000W PSU to power it.
Reporting that a new RDNA Generation will be an 'Nvidia Killer' has literally become a meme over the past 5+ years. AMD just can't seem to help themselves and completely miss the mark each and every time. It starts out with hype that results in nothing but copium in the end. With AMD's consistent practice of underdelivering in terms of their relative performance in the GPU segment, the only other thing that AMD seems to do well is never missing an opportunity to completely miss an opportunity. They need to STOP trying to compete in the market like they are #2, as even THAT will not last long with Intel ready to take that spot in the hierarchy. They have to understand that it's NOT ENOUGH to simply be 'almost as good' at a slight savings. They need to use the upcoming RDNA 4 release(s) to aggressively attack the midrange a-la RDNA 1...... BETTER FOR CHEAPER. The business model of undercutting Nvidia by $50 on a $400 Video Card and not able to match it's performance 100% will see them continue to fall further and further down. AMD need to be $100 less in the $500 range and MATCH or EXCEED all performance and features (including Ray Tracing, Path Tracing and Media Encode/Acceleration Features). The days of AMD's $350 'Raster' competitor to Nvidia's $400 'Ray Tracing' offering are OVER. It's not enough to match raster performance, loosing in nearly every other way.....then offering a $50 discount to lure potential buyers. At this point, AMD has lost so much ground that as I said above, they not only need to be cheaper, but also superior in EVERY way, not just 1 or 2, while losing in every other.
Intel is at minimum 3 generations away from having enough goodwill in graphics to have a strong enough launch to take #2. Assuming everything goes perfectly for them
@mmhoss imagine Battlemage rt performance is superior the rdna 4 😂.
@@aberkaeive been wondering about this. I tried Xess in Hellblade2 on an A770 and it looks amazing when compared to the Fsr 3 implementation. There were graphic glitches and dithering in Fsr and this is version 3!. Xess is looking very promising at 1.x versions
7700xt is perfect card. 4060ti is rt, 4070 in raster at 4060ti price. Thats the wining strategy. 25-30% faster in raster and same rt perf and price.
It's a meme for rumor channels and the websites that feed them.
More reputable sources are more balanced than that.
This generation was going to be the generation I went back to AMD. All they had to do was not raise prices as much as Nvidia did, and they couldn't handle that (well, not at the high end anyway, prices of other cards eventually came down). So disappointed.
Sadly the main decider in all this is who has the most money. Nvidia will always be ahead of AMD in that area and therefore can always afford to produce a better flagship than anything AMD can come up with.
Thank you Jaromir Jagr for the great information as always
The 7900xt is a good card ... Looking forward to the 5090 in Aug .. Sept .. Upgrading to DDR5 .. Intel this time
Intel lol
7900XTX is a beast
@@ProtectusCZi know I loled
Since there is concern on how Nvidia will price RTX 50, care to give price estimates soon in another video? I can see the 5090 way up there with the recent stories on vram, housing design and it is the halo card, but the 5080 and below is probably what most people are interested in.
5080 - 1200..1500$, 5090 - $2000..3000 until rdna5 is released. Remember 7800xt, only 7800 pushed nvidia to release 4070 super and drop (on paper) the price of 4080 supper to 1000 msrp. No matter how amd fans try to underestimate the importance of RT and AI upskelers, it is obvious that they matter and cost money$
@@Aleksey-vd9ocTerrible estimate
If the 5080 is inferior to the 4090 then I see many buying a used 4090 if the prices are similar or competitive. Especially with the 16 gig vram rumor.
$999... it's rumoured to be closer to the 4090, so it's only a 40% increase which is less then we usually get and its ONLY 16gb which is an even tougher sell in 2024. Anymore then that price and its a massive joke like the 4080 was, maybe even more so since the performance increase is even less. I don't think Nvidia would be dumb enough to make the same mistake twice in a row hence why we're getting a more gimped version then usual. even at $999 it doesn't sound all that attractive, almost be better off buying a second hand 4090 when they start dropping in price
Huang's mistakes)))You make conclusions based on your habits and desires. The facts are that the 4080, 4090, 5080, 5090 are top devices that have to compete with each other because AMD is out of the game today, which means Huang will set the price at his discretion. Moreover, the 4090 and 5090 are video cards that are now actively used to work with AI and they are already competing with professional cards for 5000...$ 6000 As for sales of 4080, they sell no worse than 3080 or 2080, tops have always sold little. And there is also inflation, stagnation in the game industry, modern politics (between China and the United States), and so on.
I’m sure that Nvidia can release RDNA 5 competitor this year if they want, just something like GB200 but with two GB102 would do great job
Basically an RTX 50 is a RDNA 4 killer,the RDNA 5 is a RTX 50 killer. Generally speaking the RTX 60 would be the RDNA 6 killler. Quite frankly it would be interesting to see with rumors the RDNA 7 will be the RTX 60 killler but take it with a big grain of salt.
Wishful thinking is not reporting.
Any competition is good competition but for now AMD is headed for 2 years+ of losses, hope they make it
From the same gen killer to the last gen killer? Sure bro
I'm tired of AMD/RADEOn dropping the ball. You can only get burned so many times.
The New Nvidia Killer, this doesnt get old😂👍
Not just the tech industry. lol
Amd still looking for the black pearl after all these years.
Im just happy I finally spotted a 4090 new actually selling under MSRP in America
Good purchase, pretty much the only gpu worth buying rn
@@goochipoochie yeah but who need kidneys these days , am i right? .
5090: WOW!!!
Blackwell: Hold my beer...
What happened to the rumors that there could be a high-end RDNA3(.5) refresh/RDNA4 hybrid for the desktop. Similar to what the PS5 Pro gets?
If AMD could, AMD would.
why are there no leaks on Intel 15 gen (or whatever they'll be called)?
There is, its lunar lake , 15th gen is only going to be for laptops
@@chomomma7403 wait no there is also arrow lake which should release Q4 this year, same as the 5090 but I hear a ton about the nvidia GPU but nothing about the CPU (besides the fact that it won't have HT)
@@noyz2828 so arrrow lake and lunar lake are both 15th gen?
@@chomomma7403 no clue, it might be.. there is so little info going around despite not being too far away from release.. Its weird...
Technically I thought Meteor Lake would qualify as 15th gen, but really it’s more like the disowned 14th gen that went to laptops
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I've said this before and will state it again for those who have no eyes to see. B200 is x2 die and GB 100 x1 BW die at around 800 mm^2. There is no way a 5090 will incorporate 1600 mm^2 of silicon that cost Nvidia $18K to build with 192 GB of HBM. Look at a single die and you can see 4 arrays. These arrays might possibly represent 4 SKUs at 800, 600, 400, 200 mm^2. The 600 mm or 3 arrays is a problem because of the 5090 is 3 of the arrays you can see at 600 mm^2 it needs to be laid out again not to waste the silicon of the full die UNLESS there are yield and sort considerations which are possible. Seeing 4 arrays the shader count is no mystery at 18432 full die, 13824 at 600 mm^2, 9216 at 400 mm^2, 4608 at 200 mm^2. In terms of SM Count which shows slightly less than ADA; 132 at full die, 99 at 600 mm^2, 66 at 400 mm^2 and 33 at 200 mm^2. AND if any leaker takes that from me without attribution, I will chase them down. Open your eyes Paul, look at a GB100 verse GB200 and GB100 and make the call. Why do we as intelligent people need to be exposed to leaker's continuous speculation pressing a false narrative when 1 die shot says it all! mb
I also was the first to identify on factual channel supply and AMD financial data that Radeon went broke behind the books in q3 2023. Has essentially been in internal Chapter 11 where RDNA lll is currently solely an exchange value to move Ryzen CPUs as was Polaris. In q4 I attributed Radeon 'gaming revenue' to Sony console dev (NRE), the same in q1 I speculate ON DATA paid for 12 M RDNA lV now in a die bank for production distribution but still as sales close, mb
5090 is based on GB202.
x00 GPUs are exclusively used for HPC accelerators nowadays.
I agree on the speculation part.
@@Rubed0_o Thank you. mb
~700mm2 for the 5090, versus ~600mm2 of the 4090... The die physically costs more, needs three PCBS, HBM3 memory(?) ... Is 1.7-2x faster, and will be priced higher to sell old stock first. $20,000 each?
I've been trying to warn those salivating over a RTX 5080: You probably can't afford one. Worse still, if yield is low nVidia will certainly reallocate dies for GPUs to go straight to AI market. Low supply and hyper demand won't change this anytime soon.
Dont forget the 512 bit bus and 32GB VRAM, $30000?
I suspect that virtually all the HBM manufacturing capacity is being consumed by AI accelerators.
I was only wishing for a Radeon to have a 130CU and it's good enough to be on par with 4090. For Facts sake XTX only has 96cu that's why it's always been inferior to 4090, and it's peformance difference is usually around 25-30%, and adding 20%cu of 96 from XTX would be around 120-130cu. But to have a 384cu is a monster GPU definitely it can compete Nvidia this time around. Hot danged that is already a variant of MI300X Instinct GPU.
jiggery pokery? 🤔 I've never heard that saying before, but for some reason it made perfect sense to me.
Lmao like clockwork the new amd cycle begins. Will end in disappointment like always
Why AMD always gets so hyped when they backtrack has been pretty mid before RDNA we had VEGA which so many people tought would destroy the 1080ti just because the die size and HBM memory.. then we got RDNA which were good mid tier cards and RDNA 2 with competitive in raw performance but where not good high end cards due to lack of dlss and lackluster rt performance If AMD really wanted to compete would put their gpus a solid 250 dollars bellow nvidia and that would surelly shake everything and don't get me started with RDNA3 and their launch marketing and pricing and now we need to wait two amd generations for it to finally be good man we really need competition but I don't think radeon will be it maybe intel or even Qualcomm and their Socs get powerfull enough
Are we sure it's not named after Paul Rubens?
Oh here we go, another year of wishful thinking that AMD will crush Nvidia🤣
Well im here with my time machine from 2040 , and AMD still doesnt have a GPU that crushes Nvidia. Keep dreaming
I hadn’t previously noticed the leak reference to Navi “50”.
If that’s the basis for why we think RDNA5 will be so amazing, it’s really nothing to even pay attention to.
AMD never releases their Navi X0 chips into the gamer market. Navi 20, Navi 30 never released and Navi 40 never would have either. All these generations would likely have captured the performance crown in raster were they made, but AMD knows they don’t have enough “fanboy following” who will buy $1500+ cards in large enough numbers to make it worth manufacturing.
This is the real reason they can’t “win” against Nvidia. There’s nothing magical about drawing up bigger chips on paper, which is all these higher-tier cards ever actually are. You need to have enough customer base to buy them in volumes to make it profitable.
That being the case, Navi 51, 52, and 53 will be the more useful chips to get info on. I really doubt AMD will even aim to topple the 5090, and if they look like they may get to close I’m sure Nvidia already has a 5090ti penned as their counterpunch if needed. Just like the 4090ti that won’t be releasing because it ended up not being needed.
I think you should look up how AMD names their chips. You are using nvidia nomenclature.
@@Ferdinand208 I think you should look up how AMD names their chips
- Lack of features (RT/DLSS)
- Horrible "video playback" 40+W power consumption (RUclips/Netflix/VLC etc.)
- Useless "chiplet" architecture (unstable UV/OC)
- OverPriced (need real discounts, URGENT!)
So, that's why No One is buying the AMD RX 7000 (RDNA3) series anymore!
Fanboy Babbleing
just out of curiousity, on my rtx 4070
i pressed ALT+R to see my power consumption while my screen render is 3840x2160, and the video renders at 1080p
3W power consumption XDDD
iGPU is completely disabled
its pretty funny that the rumors and speculation for AMD GPUs are always about how "they are going to compete with Nvidia this time frfr" and for the new Nvidia GPUs its generally just assumed its going to kick ass at the high end, and cost too much money.
I'm not following, we are getting RDNA4 and RDNA5 back to back within a year of each other?
4 then 5
It's a blower card fe.
Think a asus rtx 4090 strix sized version of the Evga GTX 295
ALL i NEEDED WAS hdmi 2.1...so I got a new AMD RX 6800XT for $370...and NO FUKKIN TAX!
Just try and make it a bit better than we have now and affordable
Nope. NV will never allow it even if AMD was anywhere close, which is not. They'll push the power or bring some new tech, NV always does that.
NVIDIA will make a GPU the size of a motherboard before they allow AMD to beat them.
"RDNA 5 - The RTX 50 KILLER? RTX 60 To Fight AMD Chiplet GPU" - still they think can fool us with this click bait. Stop luring the RUclips with this cringe title. People are mature enough to skip video like this. And I skipping this video.
Pricing comes from the market, consumers, not companies.
I am so sick of this "killer this, killer that" hype pushing. You're just setting yourself up for disappointment if things won't work out for any number of reasons. Judge the products when they come out on perf/cost/features
My guess 5080 1399USD, 5090 1899USD. Even last gen pricing went up.
But I am currious about both performance and real pricing.
Because of how GPU's are being priced well beyond their worth in performance my next GPU might be my last. The next PC I buy way down the road will be whatever newest Steam deck (or competitor) is out at the time, I've had enough.
is the sound out of sync?
It's cuz he uses an AMD card lol
dear lord how many killers came and went ? vega ...rdna 1 ....rdna2 ...rdna3 ...... rdna 4 is not even released yet and we already forgot about it .....
I’m pretty sure you said RDNA 3 would be 2.5 times more powerful than RDNA 2 up until about a month before it was announced. It ended up being about 30% more powerful!
Price to performance wise AMD already has superb products. They just need to get more competitive in upscaling, latency reduction tech & other digital features.
Its every year the same, "AMD will beat Nvidia".And AMD then is getting demolished by the high end GPU from Nvidia.
Six months tops, thats all rdna 5 will have on top if at all. Without question nvidia will come back with something that beats it no matter the cost or power requirement. Then we have the whole cult of cuda to deal with. Until AMD gets rendering software to actually use rocm, it doesn't matter what they deliver for anything aside from gaming. Without that, they have no justification charging over $800 for whatever high end card they release. With that all said, I exclusively use AMD and Radeon (except in laptops because mobile 7000 cards are on few overpriced models). Bottom line, there is no hype for Radeon. It will however remain, the best bang for the buck, and that is why I stick with it for gaming.
Is RTX 80 the RDNA 7 killer though?
The constant changing of leaks and rumors and holding off on releasing GPUs/CPUs is unprecedented this generation in order to hype up anticipation and get a lot of sales.
I still remember when RDNA 2 was a big deal for Xbox Series X
Keep your hand still.
If AMD goes multi-chiplet and dramatically increases their CU counts as RGT suggests, that could lend credence to Xbox's next console being a huge leap forward as claimed. As the leaks showed they were already targeting RDNA 5, and now they're just moving up the timeline. And if AMD ever wants to catch up with Nvidia they need to jump a couple generations ahead, especially in the ray tracing department.
who wouldn't take a rx 580 type of card that can have parity in performance with all of the features? A 4070/ti level of performance and RT with hardware upscaling that hits the $400-$450 range would maybe put AMD a few points higher on Steam hardware.
how long ago did he cut his hair?
All of you leakers were swearing that AMD was going to destroy the Nvidia with RDNA3 with a card better than the 4090 for half the price.
Obviously that didn't happen, so it would be wise of everyone to treat any Radeon leaks as fake until proven otherwise.
11:00 Funny everyone missed that part when someone claimed that AMD will sacrifice production of RX 8000 for FPGA and other specialized hardware.
Be ready for high GPU prices again for the upcoming generation lol
512 bit G7. So 2x the bandwidth of the 4090 and 50% more cores.
Despite staying on a similar node, this will be a beast. Probably going to actually draw >500W though. It will probably still be a smaller improvement than the 4090 was, but it will still be insane. $2k for sure.
50% more cores? more like 33% from rumors, add 30% IPC gains from TSMC'S 4N node performance figures and we might see 50% performance delta gain.
@@aberkae no, 50%
it's 33% over full ad102 ("4090 Ti")
@@Violet-ui yep.
Yeah... yeah... JustWait TM
Besides it doesn't matter because AMD blindly follows Nvidia's more and more crazy prices so hard to call it competition any longer.
The best example would be the xx80 where the price jumped from $700 to $1200 what AMD did do? Oh yes, released a counterpart for $1000.
It doesn't matter if AMD is present and the only difference would be to not be able to buy ~10% cheaper AMD cards (still 30% overpriced).
I hope but im realist guys...
I wonder if Navi 44 was always Navi 44 or if its a replacement RDNA4 product, because if it was always meant to be Navi 44 that means AMD was putting 8gb on the low end which is where it belongs.
Yet, AMD charges a lot for the 7800XTX so if they want to punch higher, will they be grossly over priced?
The trend, based on history, is AMD won't deliver. They have stated they will aim for mid range cards. The RX 7900 XTX should have been the 7800 XT. They had nothing to compete with 4090.
But why would they need to? How many people are honestly purchasing and using the 4090's?
It's extremely expensive for what it is and there isn't really anything worth playing that requires it. Midrange is the highest market so logically that is where you want to invest the most.
I'm not saying that AMD is better than Nvidia but I have had and used both and like both. I'm just contending that it's pointless for a company to brag about a flagship card that a very small percentage of players even use.
@@105rogue
You'd be surprised, but 4090 sells exceptionally well, in greater numbers than 4080 did.
I'd say 4K HDR at 90+ fps or Path Tracing with decent fps at 4K are a great experience, and evidently there are enough people with such setups.
Not to mention many prosumers, who had previously been buying Titan cards, that are buying 4090 nowadays.
@@Rubed0_o Don't misunderstand me, I am sure that it's a very nice experience. I just find it difficult to believe many are purchasing such an expensive setup. Though, I am honestly basing this on the Steam hardware surveys to be transparent.
@@105rogue
And it's not pointless for a company to brag about it's flagship product, it's a marketing strategy after all.
Well, maybe it's pointless for AMD as I remember dual GPU Titan Z selling a lot better (not like 4090 or 3090, but it was $3K) than R9 295x2 simply because CUDA is the industry's standard.
@@105rogue
Not many people are purchasing such a setup, yes, but there are enough of them.
Then there are those who use their PCs to both play and work.
And last but not least - those who are using GPUs for professional workloads exclusively, due to CUDA.
All three combined make a pretty high number of customers who are buying 4090s.
If our DNA five is actually better than Nvidia, that will be great however, I have heard this rumor every single time new graphics cards are about to come out for at least the last two generations maybe three of releases and how many times has it been true and always seems to have the top card Now, yes it is not a value proposition. The AMD value is better for what you’re getting. Will never argue that end of it but I’m quite frankly getting sick and tired of all the damn rumors of how much better it’s gonna be the Nvidia yet it has to come true, I’ll believe it when I see it
Ruben is not a gaming architecture.
2025 is going to be Blackwell Super and maybe a 5090Ti if Navi50 is close to the 5090.
I think 5090 will be 2 grand usd
wont believe it till amd gets its butt in gear and start working on better software and efficiency.
5090 will be $2000 minimum
I dont think nvidia is doing anything to counter AMD. They dont have to. AMD only follows.
It's like purchasing generic brand pharmaceuticals. We do it but don't question it. I will purchase from whoever offers a better price.
I was thinking of moving of Intel Nvidia to AMD AMD. Having seen the gain, pricing and stability I am not going to. AMD just dropped the ball again by going up against Intel NVIDIA by over pricing their products. So I will not be upgrading to AMD
It's hard to imagine how much more expensive the 5080 and 50/90 could be compared to the current 4080 and 4090. Nvidia has become so greedy
LOL! Greedy? They are fueling the future of computing. They make more money to invest it into creating better products. This is how we got here, and it will only continue.
Just give me a reason to switch from Nvidia. Because I like RT and the nvidia features.
even without seeing this video, just because of the title, I wanna start by saying I prefer AMD over Nvidia, and I'm currently running 6800xt. BUT. since next AMD cards are RDNA 4 and Nvidia's next gen cards are RTX 50, if RDNA 5 doesn't beat RTX 50 series cards, AMD should just give up at that point.
They should start right now then. Because that will never happen. It's been the narrative of these past 10/12 years (it started with the Polaris/Vega). "AMD is going to crush Nvidia" only for then never happening. 7950 aside (but that was ATI not amd and Nvidia was in it's infancy), the closer they got was with the 6000 series (and even then the 3090 was still the best performer overall between a more mature upscaling tech and RT). Too bad it came out in possibly the worst GPU launch we've ever seen (COVID+mining scalping). Then we got the 7000 and we all saw how that shit went. Now we already know the 8000 series won't offer much performance improvement over the previous gen (it's not leakers saying it, it's actually amd themselves) and it will be just sort of a bug fix of the 7000 series.
So yeah, do like me and many others have. Stop wishful thinking and get the best GPU you can get for your wallet and stop falling for these hype yellers like this dude is. AMD will never beat Nvidia. Simple as that. Nvidia owns almost 80% of GPU marketshare. EIGHTY %. And this comes from someone who only owned a single Nvidia card in over 25 years of PC gaming (1070) because I always liked the fact AMD never overpriced their products. But that stopped with this extremely lackluster rdna 3 with their name scheming bullshit (having a 7900xt masked as a x800xt card and so forth going down the line of cards) and their ridiculous pricing point when again, you own 15% of the market share on a good day. The 7900xtx should've launched at 800 USD tops. Then it would have been an easy W for them. But no, let's try to be Nvidia without actually having the faculty Nvidia has. And don't worry, just like any other launches in the past decade, AMD will find a way to fuck things up with rdna 5 too.
@@davidepannone6021 for fuck sake, read what I said. next gen AMD is rdna 4, next gen nvidia is 50, if rdna 5, notice rdna 5, doesn't beat 50 series, amd should give up.
@@Repsikka and read mine. It will never happen. I said it like two sentences in. AMD will never beat Nvidia. End of story. Not this, not rdna 5, 6, 7, 3629286. AMD will always be behind in the GPU market. So they might as well just stop now and make actually good price/performances cards like they started doing with rdna 2 (6900xt aside, as that was a stupid card that should have not costed 1k USD MSRP) instead of trying to "beat" Nvidia at the top end and fall flat on their faces each and every time since the Vega/Polaris days.
@@davidepannone6021 side note, had to stop after first quarter because your shit had too many mistakes, first of all, hd 7950 was released 2012, AMD bought ATI in 2006, so yeah, it was AMD's ATI, also again 2012, Nvidia was founded in 1993, what infancy are you talking about in 2012???
@@davidepannone6021 bruh, rdna 5 is next next gen, and yes it will beat at the time old gen from nvidia, the same way 7900xtx is faster than 3090 ti, it's not an achievement, and the red gaming tech's title calls rdna 5 an rtx 50 killer, again, not an achievement, if you still don't get it and spew more about "it will never happen" stop doing drugs and start thinking.
It wont happen... if it was the case they would be showing progress already... they cant do it... especially with their bad commercial ways ... at least theur ai wont turn rogue on us which nvidia i doubt
AMD only managed to MATCH the 30 series with their 6000 series that was only the competivive high end AMD did in decades
all these rumors turn out to be false or underwhelming
AMD might just even give up with high end and just make midrange stuff
Yup and that was because Nvidia went with Samsung dies instead of TSMC which backfired. So it was kind of easy mode for AMD.
@SeriousBoot going with samsung didn't hinder nvidia from getting their performance targets it only affected the efficiency like the rx6000 was more efficient than the 30 series like since when has AMD been more efficient than nvidia
rx7000 AMD missed their performance target the 7900xtx was supposed to be equal to the 4090 the 24gb vram 512bit bus says it all yet they only barely managed to beat the 4080
and the rx5000 didn't even have a high end they only made a 70 class gpu
RDNA5 will come 2 years late and it will pit with RTX 6000
Isnt RDNA 4 the one coming out VS. 50? Isnt this like saying “RTX 60 is an RTX 50 killer”?
Nvidia killer this, nvidia killer that.
I remember when every other game coming out was a “halo killer”. In the end the only thing that killed halo was itself (cough343cough).
Only thing that can kill nvidia is nvidia.
here we go again…
Shouldn't it be rtx 60 killer?
rtx killer .... i have heard that for at least 3 generations 🤣
They will just can these top designs again, since nobody wants to buy very expensive AMD cards.
Then the next video is going to be about how the 5090 is killing amd
How many fucking Nvidia killers actually killed Nvidia?
got some crazy leaks bro
seriously my roof can you fix it
Nothing cool about the prices of graphics cards there dude. They’re rigoddamndiculous. On another note…….do we really need this?