Deconstructing Nagash, the Great Necromancer! Lorebeards w/ Andy Law & Loremaster of Sotek
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- Join Loremaster of Sotek and Andy Law(master) as they host a livestream focused on discussing the lore behind Nagash, the Great Necromancer! We'll be diving in to this epic villain's history, themes, development, and many other topics! Be sure to grab yourself some good food and proper drinks, as it'll be a long, fascinating chat!
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Podcast original stream date August 3rd, 2023
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I know we all know it, but these two generate so much excitement it's infection. I hope they keep these podcasts up long term.
The hopemasters of positivity
Thank you Andy for taking the time and money to get a better mic. While I wasn't the one complaining about the last one, I\m still glad. My ears and brain feel very relaxed now listening to you talking.
my jaws are hurting, ive had them open for half a minute after andy just casually dropped the entire sigmar-crown-god thing holy fuck
That’s ma job! Finding little details like that for the players in my games, then turning them into the core story of an RPG scenario!
@@LAWhammer and you're great at it
Its a brilliant bit of worldbuilding. Seriously. Thats so good. I could easily see something like that come out of Tolkien. I don't know a whole lot about the character of Sigmar before he formed his empire, but its always struck me as just slightly odd that Conan would forge an empire. It's just... brilliant. I'm so excited for the next episode.
I hope you do one on what exactly gods are and what the aether is. Its something that comes up a lot in these episodes but hasn't been given its own dedicated deep dive. And its something that I think will enhance every other episode similar to how the Winds of Magic episode makes every other episode better by laying that groundwork of knowledge. @@LAWhammer
The implication that donning the Crown of Nagash put Sigmar on the path to his own godhood is fascinating. Would love to hear this explored. Great potential discussion there
Oh dude Andy’s new mic has fixed the only issue I had with these podcasts - not a major thing but Andy would often get so excited (understandably, love the content), that he would peak out the audio.
Absolutely love these podcasts. I’d love to hear about Andy’s take on Kislev through the ages, right into the new lore - especially with Mother Ostankya about to land, and his early input into the Kislev lore.
2:43:20 - I completely agree that there could be an interesting exploration into Nagash's early world view before he gets corrupted by warpstone. It's possible he initially saw his fellow humans as something to protect and the gods as something to defeat, but eventually grew to hate humans as well as they kept getting in his way. His experimentation with dark magic could've initially been a necessary evil for him, as every other option was either exhausted or barred. And then, over time, his world begins to shift.
This new lore series with Andy Law is 10/10
Such is the power of Nagash
Such is the power of Nagash
Such is the power of Nagash
Awesome stream. That was informative and fun. Not sure where the time went.
sounds way better. Can't wait to have a listen
The whole conversation is amazing, but the comment by Andy about Sigmar at approx 2:14:00 is really genius!
I have found real enjoyment in watching Lorebeards with you and Andy over the past couple of weeks. I used to be into Warhammer from the late eighties up until about 2000 but then moved away from the setting for one reason or another, I came back to the franchise in 2017 with Total War Warhammer. It is great to listen to you both talk about moving from the old lore into the new as I have not read any literature since the mid 90's really. I was a little dismayed towards the end of the discussion though when the story of Nagash abruptly stopped when it came to the him waking up after 1666 years with a lost crown and claw and a steadfast refusal to discuss what happens next! I have no real idea about what happens with the "Endtimes" that everyone dislikes but it would have been at least nice to have some sort of summary of it for those of us who know nothing. Other than that I am still very much looking forward to your next episode.
Basic summary from what I remember from the End Times:
*Arkhan knows that Nagash is weaker every time he comes back from the dead so this time he wants to resurrect him at full power. He teams up with Mannfred von Carstein, gathers all of Nagash's artifacts (including his missing hand and Crown), and by sacrificing a bunch of people with the blood of gods in them, Nagash is brought back at the peak of his power.
*Nagash powers himself up even more by tearing the Wind of Shyish out of the Vortex of Ulthuan, thus granting him dominion over all Death magic (and fucking up magic across the world while he's at it) and finding the tomb of the Dwarf goddess Valaya, he manages to absorb her power while she's sleeping (because she was supposed to wake up to help the Dwarfs in the End Times before Nagash ruined her plans).
*Nagash gets a bunch of the most powerful undead/necromancer characters to become his generals known as the Mortarchs.
*All powered up and with his full army now, he invades Nehekhara. He manages to enter the Nehekharan underworld and devour Usirian, which causes the Tomb Kings to surrender except for Settra, who Nagash smites.
*Nagash makes the Black Pyramid fly out of its place in Nehekhara and land in Sylvania, where it can absorb all the Shyish and Dhar magic that naturally flows through that place. He spends most of the End Times from that point on meditating in the Black Pyramid and trying to power himself up even more.
*Skaven end up nuking the Black Pyramid, forcing Nagash to reluctantly ally with the Order races in order to stop Chaos since his current world domination plot was foiled. In order to get the Elves to agree to an alliance with him he basically hands Mannfred over to them, since he was responsible for the death of the Everqueen's daughter (who was one of the sacrifices for Nagash's return).
*Chaos gods resurrect Settra and empower him to kill Nagash but Settra refuses because he will never allow himself to be anybody's slave, be it Nagash or the Chaos Gods. This is where that real famous "Settra does not serve" quote comes from.
*Manfredd von Carstein, who has mannaged to escape his imprisonment, decides to join team Chaos to get his revenge (not just for selling him out but because Nagash basically treated him like shit for the entirety of the End Times) and ends up interrupting a ritual Nagash and everyone else was doing in order to prevent a third Chaos portal opening which would've consumed the entire planet. Nagash dies alongside the rest of the world, well until he returns as the God of Death in Age of Sigmar.
@@Dreadnautilus Full loredump, damn.
Absolutely favourite thing to watch lately! Thank you for what you do you magnificent bearded warhammer nerds
Much better to listen to with the new mic. Great job lads.
Loving these episodes!
I’m the war of the beard novel There are three dark elf sorcerers sent over to start the war, two girls and one male. The timeline adds up, being the same years as when Nagash had his rise. We’re they possibly the same 3 elves that taught Nagash the secrets?
In the novels they where meant to be the same group. Then in the last novel of the War of Vengence they get killed off even through they still appear in the Nagash novels.
Either GW changed their minds or the author forgot.
Note: The Nagash novels were released first.
Explicitly, they were written fine this, so that Malekith participated in the creation of Nagash. The weird but is more why Malekithbwould tolerate a male sorcerer when he is prophesied to die by one.
@@Tortle-Man Well in the novels it's sort of hinted that Malekith abandoned those sorcerers to get killed.
The author probably forgot
This was a great episode!
Could we one day get a Lorebeards about the origins of the Greenskins?
They talked about the origins of the greenskins in the lores of magic vid.
Great video and I love the collaboration! I’d like a Sigmar or Archaon video with y’all’s incredible input
Great stream. Loving the podcast!
Holy hell that theory of Andy's is amazing. I love it. That's my new headcanon.
19:00 Dark elves have a form of necromancy to, in places like Hag Graef.
22:10 When NAGASH figures out a elixir of life and and learns that he doesn't need a soul to resurrect a corpse. This was the first real necromancy.
23:37 Old living tomb Kings had no skeleton warriors but had constructs like ushapti, tomb scorpions, etc. and the mortuary cult looked like likes because they figured out imperfect immortality that keeps them alive but doesn't stop them from decaying.
25:43 Nehekharan magic/priestly rites/God worship had lots of good necromancy ideas but didn't know how to channel enough magic to make the spells work. So when he finds dark elf sorcerers, and they teach him dark magic which uses a lot of pure magical power, "Dar". He then combines this dark magic with the mortuary cults traditions and solves the power problem. After this NAGASH does a hostile takeover on Khemri. The old guard of the mortuary culy have to leave Khemri and he rules Khemri for hundreds of years and masters his magic. And eventually he learns there's not enough winds of magic around Khemri for his plans, so he creates the Black pyramid of NAgash to chanel winds of magic to him for his spells.
32:44 The taxes and other costs for the black pyramid are very unpopular amongst his populous. And his demands on the other Nehekharan kingdomds for resources causes all out war on his kingdom in Khemri.
35:27 Nagash uses corpses as puppet soldiers and this is the first war in the Warhammer Fantasy world where a necromancy has an army of puppets like this.
47:41 Nagash crawls into his own body and WILLS himself to live!
54:43 his repeated use of Warpatone in Nagashizzar mutates his skeleton over time making it larger and soon it gets out of control so he builds armor out of lead and gromril to contain his control his mutations. The darkland human tribes in that area worshipped Nagash. He introduces a ritual of cannibalism to them and combined with the corruption he caused there leads to the creation of the first ghouls.
1:01:00 Skaven vs Nagash.
1:06:40 Neferata and Nagash and the first real vampires. Also vampires need blood because blood has magic distilled through it and the vampire needs magic to keep itself functioning. All the Kingdoms of Nehekhara declare war on Lahmia because the vampires were treating people in Nehekhara badly and also killin to many people. This is why its important for vampires to not act like they are better than other people and treat them badly. Treat your fellow man like how you would want to be treated, even if you are a vampire.
1:23:00 When Nagash unleashes sll his curses on vampires and Nehekhara in his second war with Nehekhara.
1:23:00 When Nagash decides to try to kill everyone on the planet and resurrect them to remove all free will but his. This is insane, undead and living mortals need each other and we should work together! This is why vampire Empires like Sylania are so great, because they allow undead and mortal citizens to luve and prosper in their countries.
1:47:40 Fellblade facts, th fellblar us so dangerous that the skaven have to yse multiple runners to get it from skavenblight to Alcatizar in Nagashizzar.
1:49:28 Lmao, this is so funny to me.
2:05:40 Nagash fights Khorne for Krell's soul.
2:10:20 The Sigmar vs Nagash war, this is hard to understand imo.
2:20:26 What happens to Nagash after his war with Sigmar.
2:45:48 many Gods in Warhammer Fantasy (not all of them) don't like necromancy.
2:48:39 The necromancer Drakenfells... Idk who this guy is yet.
2:49:00 Nagash is not the first necromancer, he is just the most powerful necromancer. Also the nine books of Nagash contain the knowledge of everything Nagash learned about Necromancy, Vlad used only one to do a ritual to raise all the dead in Sylvania.
2:54:40 Dark Elves are not completely evil, they have morals. But still having a slave economy is pretty evil.
Love these pods!
I wish I could powder these interviews and snort them
Nagash, "I don't have a back up plan. I have back up plans for my back up plans. And even those have back up plans." He, like Captain Kirk, does not believe in the No Win Scenario.
Nagash retaking Nagashizzar probably using the old Warhammer 3rd ed. level 4 spells. Eg. Wind of Death, anything alive dies on a 4-6 anywhere in the fortress. The old spells were truly apocalyptic.
I'd be down for a discussion on whomever they reveal for shadow of change (As obvious as some of them may be). Lot of established and new stuff there.
Nagash wasn't weak!
Correct
NO I MISSED IT. well imma say it anyways. THE WINDS OF MAGIC BELONG TO NAGASHHHHHHHHH. amazing stream guys!
Love this kind of content. Helps so much and so colourful 😊
Best one yet 🎉
nagash, bringing people together since -2000 ic
WIns the first week of viewer's choice because SUCH IS THE POWER OF NAGASH!
I hope the review episodes are live and at a time I can participate. That sounds too juicy to not be a part of.
Thanks guys
You are wrong about Ushabti. The original ushabti were people, god empowered warriors, but Nagash broke the godly compact that gave them their powers. So the Lich priests found a way to put their souls into the statuary and have them fight through death.
This lore is my first memory of Warhammer and was what got me into Warhammer several decades ago. May also explain why I now have 6 AoS armies, 4 of which are DEATH Faction... 😅
In 40k and Fantasy, I really love "evil" factions that hate the Chaos gods. Such a cool vibe.
We are bad, but not *that* bad
I really want Renegades as a 40k Faction. They're the most common thing the Imperium fights and are completely absent from the wargame. Whether it be renegade Space Marines or Renegade humans, or both, because theres no reason the two can't use combined arms if they're renegade. It'd be 40k's equivalent of the border princes where they're sort of the ultimate justification behind whatever weird army you want to make.
Love this so much!🤩
what caused a young nagash to despise the gods so deeply? well that's what happens when you have the church oversee the education of young boys
Despite several notable issues, (such as the omission of Vashanesh), I thought the novels were excellent. In particular, I found the pre-undead depiction of Nehekhara, and the characterization and humanizing of the likes of Arkhan, Neferata and the first born of Lahmia to be a highlight. I much prefer the novel's version of Alcadizzar, too.
please make a livestream dissing mannfred for 2 hours straight :)
Thank you for the amazing and funny podcast but there´s a tiny piece of lore that bugs me: when Nagash cursed Nehekara and all the Tomb kings raised and went bananas killing each other only Settra didn´t wake up but there´s another that didn´t wake up...High queen Khalida, because she was purified with Ashap poison...Am I correct in this?
For the record, I would rather read the Nagash-Arkhan relationship as the closest thing either of them has to family, with Arkhan as Nagash's adopted son rather than calling Arkhan Nagash's boyfriend, which tracks with Arkhan's backstory more-or-less.
Acknowledging that Nagash has biological descendants that he never gave much of a fuck about (they were probably all duplicitous schemers he couldn't trust, just like their old man), I like the idea that Nagash does have a paternal fondness for Akhan that he never much had for any of them. Nagash still goes "We're back in Nekehara, first priority is bringing my boy back", but in a more "He's my boy, and I'm a proud dad." sense than anything messier than that.
What are relationships like between sylvania and the silver pinnacle with all the backstory between vlad and neferata?
dont care that the "who would wins" are dumb. theyre super fun, do winners under the different circumstances, make the discussion longer, we love that stuff
2:13:52 my uterus is fuckin gushing
2:17:52
Which episode was the 3hr one about Settra? I can’t find it.
You know if you take the angle that Nagash eventually came to regret not recognizing Neferata over her husband, it actually makes Lady Olynder more interesting as her appointment as Mortarch with her husband as jealous lieutenant is both Nagash making up for a previous mistake (which he would never admit was a mistake) and also an ironic mirror of the Neferata/Vlad dynamic, which is very AoS Nagash.
Love these, watch them at work. Here to properly like and comment now Im on my personnel youtube account.
I wanted to watch half an hour of this, couldn't pretty much move for the entire 3 hrs.
Love the content! Any chance these episodes will be uploaded on the Lawbeards RSS podcast feed? Haven't seen anything on there since April but there has been a few of these since then with Andy Hall.
Nagash and Arkhan- until not even death shall part you
"Runes light up that nobody had noticed before".
*IF* Sigmar becomes a god, and gods stand outside of time, could god-Sigmar have intervened in the life of human Sigmar in such a way that it guaranteed the "creation" of god Sigmar? Sort of like a soliton or maybe a standing wave in causality, by invoking the bootstrap paradox. This might account for the new runes.
HAIL NAGASH!
A good quote from good old doctor doom. “I spent some time as a god. I found it was beneath me.”
Edit: Also, the whole “eating gods” thing doesn’t sit well with me. Not sure why. I think because it makes them basically just powerful, sparkly mortals.
So if human corpses are full of Dhar, and that dark magic stored in the flesh causes mutation in ghouls if you commit cannibalism, how come that’s not what happens to ogres? Don’t they eat humans all the time?
this lore talks are realy awsome but after listening to it i kinda ask myself why setra or some else never destroyed the black pyramid
Comment for the comment gods!
Timestamps please?
Quindi i Vampiri e le loro maledizioni sono colpa di Nagash.
E Neferata E compresa nelle maledizioni?
whats the name of this magic sword that hit nagash? :O
The Fellblade?
Are the books of nagash super redundant? Because they're treated like magical artefacts that grant power, rather than repositories of knowledge. So for example, if volume 1 is all about raising the dead, why would someone in possession of book 5 be able to do something like the sylvania ritual? Thats something thats always bugged me. There's 9 books, why 9? Whats written in each one? Does Nagash have a ton of powers he never uses that are detailed in these books to justify 9 massive volumes, or has he just written down multiple ways to do the same thing so that all 9 teach the same end result, but different methods?
The sum of necromantic knowledge.
Yeah but even just one book seems to grant incredible power, which would imply you don't need the other 8 to understand it. Which would be fine, but its not like there are 9 distinct necromantic disciplines or powers that people use. When someone finds a book of nagash they gain "generic evil power" rather than some specific abilities that would be contained in that specific book.
It could just be that "generic evil necromancer stuff" is the only thing you can do with necromancy and figuring out how to do it is relatively simple, but each of the books details different ways of generating the dark power to do it. That'd explain the consistent powers people seem to get and why more books gives you more power. @@PatrickOMulligan
Warpstone = Warhammer meth
Ah Nagash. Guy is pretty much the epitome of 'as strong as the plot demands'.
Other than that all I can say is that I like is older model more than his newest one.
Nagash was weak!
An element you haven’t touched in here (for obvious reasons) is Nagash’s HUGE SEXISM. Like really, in every story he is in, Nagash is a dick, but he is ESPECIALLY a dick to the women in his life. Neferrata, his first wife, the dark elf sorceresses, it even continues into Age of Sigmar. It’s really a character trait that if he can he will take the women around him down a peg. I don’t know if this was intentional on the part of the writers, more more just a product of “puppy kicking syndrome” where they keep having him do stuff like this to make him seem more “EVAL” all caps, but they’ve ended up writing one of the most t prominent warhammer characters as basically a massive MGTOW.
Such is the power of Nagash.