He is! He just came out with a video stating why he stopped and that he is going to start them up again. Sounds like he had some big medical issues, brother your in my prayers, thank you for your videos. You steered me to the HST 124 gr. +P in my carry S&W shield.
Indeed. I feel RUclips demonization of firearm videos had a lot to do with it. None of the components for these videos are cheap, plus the creators time. If they could at least break even, I think one or both may have continued. And so far, there is no one who has stepped up produces the same quality of video.
I've shot the 124 and 147 back to back out of a shield. The 147 is a much softer shooting round and is pretty much identical to the feel of a typical 115gr range ammo load. They also shoot dead on. Doesn't get any better than this.
Excellent! Been carrying this load for a couple of years in my Nano, so I'm happy to see that it performed as I have always expected it to. I previously carried the 124 grain +P HST but switched to standard pressure 147 because I find it easier to shoot accurately and I believe it penetrates more consistently. I do tend to like heavy-for-caliber as well.
I've been a 45 acp man for most of my adult life. But with the evolution of the 9mm self defense round especially the HST's. Im thoroughly convinced that this 147 gr. round will be more than adequate to give me the knock down power that I desire. Thanks for the video and the professionalism of the testing.
Same here. However, I still like the slower .45 for home defense as we live close to other houses & I think the .45 can do as much or more damage at a slower speed with less probability of over penetration.
@@Woowoo88yes the knock down power thing is not true at all. Just think of all the deer that get shoot with 270 330 even 30-06 and still take of running even with good bullet placement. Which is why police are trained to fire until the suspect drops the gun or falls down incapacitated.
I picked up a Walther PPS M2 in 9mm recently for primary CCW. This video (along with the others) made the choice easy for my EDC. I'll be sticking with 9mm Federal HST 147gr standard pressure! Thanks for doing these test for the shooting community!
Thank you very much for your videos. After watching videos for hours, reading tons of reviews, and lots of antagonizing, I settled on the Fed. 147 HST Standard Pressure for my Glock 26. Might not penetrate as deep as some, but still plenty sufficient, and I never saw the 147 HST SP; under-penetrate, over-penetrate, separate, or fail to give that huge, sharp, well defined expansion. Thanks Again!
Have watched all your videos several times you are the most reliable in my opinion on ammo choices for a short barrel, I carry a glock 26 and have the HST 147 standard pressure, was carrying Lehigh defense maximum expansion till I saw how shallow an inconsistent it was. A lot of people try to mimic your videos but can't come close thanks for your help
I absolutely agree. I still use my 45 for home defense. Simply because for home defense your encounter with perpetrators will be very close. That's when the cannonball round of the 45 will be most effective. I also use the HST in my 45.
The HST 147gr was what made me switch from the 45acp and 40S&W to the 9mm. I mean, when you can get this sort of performance with less recoil and less cost, why on earth would you use anything else? The jericho sitting here on my desk is loaded up with 147gr HST.
Why? Because it won't feed reliably. In some guns it does but like ALL SD ammo you have to go with what feeds reliably as close to 100% of the time as you can find. A few mags worth is not going to tell you. Shoot several hundred at least. I run HST's in my 45, Speer GD's in my .40 and Golden Saber's in my 9. All are good loads and all feed differently.
Outstanding work Sir. You are now my go to guy for Sage ammunition advice. Outstanding presentation and a comprehensive review of the capabilities of the round. Nicely done Sir, nicely done.
Great video! Amongst the most valuable and meaningful videos for carry ammo in shorter barrels. Really glad you do these and how you do these. Mostly to the point and I love how all your shots are done in a rapid series and not making us sit through each shot individually; same with the results. This makes for shorter and to the point videos. Keep up the great job!
From Bone Frog Gun Club? I got 3 50 round boxes from them that just arrived by UPS today. Some guy was saying the recoil on them through a short barrel is snappy but I hit a pie plate just fine with my LC9s at 15ish yards.
Thank you for doing these videos. You have, by far, done the best job of consistent testing of these 9mm ammos I have ever seen. Your tests have been quite eye opening and have changed my thoughts on some 9mm ammo that I have carried in the past. After watching your tests I will be doing some more research but it seems likely that I may be switching to the Federal HST in either 124 or 147 grain. Thank you again.
Any chance you can do this again with the new version of this cartridge? They changed a few things with the bullet . Without pulling the cartridge apart you can tell the new from the old by the blue lacquer around the primer , the old version has no lacquer. If you do pull it apart then you can see some other changes they made
I am on board. Can't wait to get my shipment and try it out. Not just yours (although your review is great, too), but several other reviews on the 147 HST are just great. Keep up the good work! (has to be fun!)
The .45acp and .40s&w hst's are pretty famous. The 147gr 9mm hst's are why officers are opting for the .40s&w option despite the increased personal cost. I won't accept anything less than 15" of penetration in bare gel as a standard. Having shot enough hogs in my life the 9mm is just ok and nothing more despite them selling all the new bullet technology stuff. It's not going .357 fast, and it's not .40s&w heavy.
@@slimjim7411I used the 115 fort Scott 9mm copper spun bullets on a hog. Was using a 4 inch gun. It blew a very large hole in the brain cavity. I run that round out on the ranch in my handgun. Will be buying a 10 mm which has the best ballistics of a semi auto.
Great vid. After first seeing the perfect performance of these rounds, I bought a few 50 packs and haven't looked back since. Every time I hear someone at the gun shop ask for Hydra-Shoks or Critical Defense, I have to hold my tongue.
Great job sir. I love how you do the vids, with no "waiting" time between each shots and cutting it out of the gel. Just the facts in a fast manner. Please keep up the great work.
This is what I carry in my G19. I am totally confident in it. Your test just reassures my confidence. Thanks for the great video. I loved the multiple shots in multiple succession.
I thanked you on your 380 reviews as it helped me determine which round to outfit my wife with and her Sig P238. Your video reviews have now solidified which rounds best serve my needs in my M&P Shield in 9mm. Now, if I could only find some in stock somewhere. Keep up the amazing work and THANK YOU for the impartial and scientific reviews.
Thank god people sell pulled hst bullets for reloading! Just bought 500 bullets for $57. Thanks for the video. Can't wait to train with these. They seem like the only 9mm bullet worth carrying IMO.
According to your testing 147 grain standard pressure get better result than 147 +p.This will be in my glock 26 after watching a lot of video and review.Thanks for the video.Great job!
Can’t go wrong with any HST ammo. Whether it’s +p or standard pressure they are extremely consistent. Great performance out of this ammo. Federal is definitely at the top of their game. Stay safe and God bless
Personally I would choose the 124gr over this because of a little better penetration. Both are excellent however, this is simply my preference. Great job on these! Thanks for the information!
In the FBI testing the 124gr failed the auto glass test. It's performance was abyssmal Jacket separation and only penetrated 9" afterwards. The 147gr also failed the auto glass test but performed better due to it's extra weight (more momentum) It was able to penetrate 11" into ballistics gel after the glass. This may not hold much weight for us civilians who probably will never shoot anyone in our lives, but just thought I'd throw that information out there. If you ever have to shoot through glass to protect yourself or your loved ones and you carry HST just know that through glass they perform no better than the infamous Winchester Silver Tip. The FBI favors penetration over expansion which is why Hornady won the most recent FBI service ammo contract.
What a great service you are doing for us who are looking to make an intelligent decision, on a serious subject and intent. If your choosing to defend yourself, it better work. I don't know where else I could have gotten this kind of info in such a clear and easy to understand format. The average person does not match the ammo to the specific gun/barrel length, let alone look at ballistic data if it is available.
@ShootingTheBull410 do you have any plans to review the new federal micro 150gr? Partculary in comparison to the 147gr from a 3" barrel. Thank you for all the dedicated work, time and money you have already indulged in this project!
I have a Ruger American full size, too, and I also load it with these (147 HST standard pressure). I do most of my practicing with American Eagle 147 FMJ flat points (AE9FP), which shoot identical to the HSTs, as far as I can tell, so it's a great combo.
I have been practicing with Freedom's 147 HP... which do fine, too. I really enjoy the Ruger American full and "compact".... lol compact, .... right.... lol. Glad to have both guns though. Terrific job by Ruger. Overall, my favorite round is the 124 HST... they DO "feel" smooth... Had to explain.
ooppps... also, the 124 HST runs GREAT in the Taurus Millinium G2.... which I found to be a darn good carry gun. I like the 12+1 rounds. LOL... the Ruger Americans are just too large to carry.(OWB for Winter) I keep the Smith Shield in case the Taurus takes a dump... which doesn't really seem likely.
Have you had a chance to test the new 150 gr hst "micro" that's supposed to be designed specifically for short barrel pocket pistols yet? Would love to see more! Great reviews! Very in depth and thorough.
I have been using these rounds in a Kahr CM9, they function quite well and feel very nice. the only thing that I have noticed is an unfamiliar smell when the powder is burned. I would love to see a review as well. I have put 10 of the 20rd 150Gr Micro boxes from walmart through mine without issue. I had no issues at all when the gun was new and unpolished. my CM9 is now hand polished and as expected still gives me no issue at all. very low flash and it just feels smooth and predictable.
Thanks again for providing a nice review. I just bought 100 rounds of the 147 HST. Hello everyone Tactical Defense Solutions have the standard pressure 124 & 147 in stock as I just bought some. They have the 9BPLE too so look them up.
Thank you for your efforts. As a result of your testing, I will carry these mainly due to being subsonic and standard pressure (hopefully less muzzle flash from a 3" bbl.) and the consistent performance. All subject to reliable feeding in my firearms.
How do you like that Kahr? I'm thinking about getting one. I have a CW45, but the spent casings are known to eject back toward the shooter's head. Does the 9mm do that??
I cannot deny the superlative performance of Federal's HST. My G43 is loaded with 147 grain HSTs now, and I am no longer worried the barrel length is too short to allow expansion. Done.
these are now my ccw ammo, I get my best groups out of my shield with nowhere near the recoil of both +P’s . I now have a new home defense pistol, a ruger american pro in 9mm. I will be looking for which one of the 4 (Federal LE HST 124, 147 regular and +P as my home defense round. I have not seen any rests anywhere near as comprehensive and scientifically accurate as yours, so the decision will be difficult.
I appreciate your hard work in getting this data for us! But i am dissappointed that we get to see the detailed early wound track. I have found significant variation from maker to maker in the early, most important wound cavity for the same expansion and penetratration numbers. Please include a look at the zero to 8 inch wound track. Thanks again! Dave
The early wound track is something that other testers focus heavily on, but in general, with most handgun rounds, it's largely irrelevant. In Duncan MacPherson's seminal work "Bullet Penetration", he created a formula for assessing how much tissue is destroyed by a bullet, in designing his "MacPherson Wound Trauma Indicator". In that formula, he totally discards all penetration below 8", and gradually progressively weighted higher up to 13", finally giving full credit for penetration from 13 to 15". In FBI testing or in Gary Roberts' professional testing, no mention of the early wound cavity is made at all. Prior to the introduction of modern bullet testing standards, there was a lot of focus placed on the temporary cavity and on the first 8 inches -- in fact, the old Relative Incapacitation Index formula, to which earlier bullets were designed to perform, focused entirely on the first 8 inches. And ammo that complied with that standard was found to be inadequate for acceptable terminal performance. The new standards (to which modern ammo is designed to perform) don't place any emphasis on early damage track performance. I generally don't bother with the early wound cavity damage, because it isn't what's important and most handgun bullets end up doing largely the same or very similar damage. Sometimes one type of ammo will do much more damage than another, and when that happens, I do break down the wound track and show what has happened in the block for those exceptions. The sustained damage done by the Lehigh Extreme Penetrator was such a substantial departure from the typical handgun bullet that I did a whole different type of review to show what was happening. I also will show detailed damage cavity examinations for highly powerful rounds such as shotgun slugs or rifle rounds. Some types of ammo do spectacularly large amounts of damage in the first few inches (such as fragmenting or frangible rounds) but those have been largely discredited in actual terminal performance. Large initial damage tracks in the first four or five inches of gel may translate into nasty shallow wounds, but are not sufficient to contribute to terminal performance.
Great test as always. I really appriciate your contribution to our CCW community. I know your testing has had a great influence on my choices for carry ammo in my small single stack pocket 9mm pistols. I was curious though as to why you never tested Federals 9mm micro load? It seems it would be an obvious contender for testing such as yours. Ive had great interest in this offering since it is far more available in my area than any of the other HST offerrings. Thank you once again for all of your hard work on all of these tests!
Lucky gunner did this exact load with only a half inch longer barrel and got +2 inches of average penetration from this test. Barrel length really makes a difference...
I just bought a lot of this specific round based on these videos but had a very disconcerting trip to the range. I fired them through my Ruger LC9s and experienced many failures, like 6 or more in 25 shots. The rounds were hanging up in the magazines and failing to cycle, and one round jammed into the top of the chamber instead of sliding into battery. The failures occurred with 3 different mags. All the mags were the Ruger brand 9round extended mags which is what I carry and have never had other failures. It was cold and I'd fired my gun some without cleaning it prior, but I would never consider these excuses for such failures in a CC load, especially considering that I fired both cheap 115gr Blazer aluminum and some 124gr Speer Gold dot flawlessly before and after the 147 HST. My theory is that the 147gr rounds are slightly longer and caused them to jam in the mags, front to back. I'm going to try some in my Ruger SR9c and perhaps my XD9 and CZ P01 and CZ SP01. Maybe the double stack mags have a little more tolerance, or just the different models. I'm also going to purchase some 124 gr HST and give them a try (I'm pretty optimistic that this will work). I might also try some of the 147gr HST through the 7 round mags and see if for some reason that works better, maybe the 9 rounders have tighter tolerances (I find this unlikely). Let me know if anyone has any ideas.
In the FBI testing the 124gr failed the auto glass test. It's performance was abyssmal Jacket separation and only penetrated 9" afterwards. The 147gr also failed the auto glass test but performed better due to it's extra weight (more momentum) It was able to penetrate 11" into ballistics gel after the glass. This may not hold much weight for us civilians who probably will never shoot anyone in our lives, but just thought I'd throw that information out there. If you ever have to shoot through glass to protect yourself or your loved ones and you carry HST just know that through glass they perform no better than the infamous Winchester Silver Tip. The FBI favors penetration over expansion which is why Hornady won the most recent FBI service ammo contract. The FBI actually prefer ammo that penetrates 14-15" in their testing. People need to remember that Gel is homogenous and that 12" in gel does not equal 12" into a human torso especially if it's a fat person.
I can't find these anywhere I was able to find the 150 grain micro HST's specifically design for 3 inch barrel guns I would love to see that one tested and shown in comparison with the 147 grain 124 grain and plus P respectively
Thanks for your clear, concise testing. I've been looking for quality, up-to-date testing of various types of ammo currently available. It's just silly for people to generalize "the 9mm" or "the .45" round when technology among various manufacturers, and their individual products, is so clearly different. I'm looking forward to more reviews on the other types of Federal HST ammo in both 9mm and .45. I know you are reviewing ammo specifically for 3-inch barreled firearms, but will you eventually move on to larger pistols? As well, I think you could be instrumental in clearing up the debate over the effectiveness of the FN 5.7 round. I would like to see you test the FiveseveN pistol with the various types ammo available including the defense ammo from Elite Ammunition. I understand that this could be way down the road, but if you could secure the pistol, I would be happy to provide the ammo. Thanks again for the quality videos.
Any plans to test Team Never Quit 9mm ammo? Would be interested to see some high quality ballistic gel test with both their 100 gr frangible hollow point & 115 solid copper hollow point. Would really like their ammo to work as a piece of each sale benefits the Lone Survivor Foundation. However, before I carry it, I would like to see a decent ballistics test on it. Thanks for all the work that you do.
Excellent and very educational videos! Subscribed! I have a M&P Shield .40S&W on hold for a CCW handgun and have been considering buying the 9mm version instead (1 extra round & reduced muzzle flip). Most of my handguns are in .40 and I'm used to the recoil on a full size/compact handgun including my M&P40. That being said, I realize the recoil on a subcompact will be more noticeable, yet have not had the opportunity nor necessity to shoot a subcompact .40. I am wondering what the differences of muzzle energy, expansion, and penetration will be out of a Shield (3" barrel) in 9mm vs. .40S&W with a quality ammo like HST. Since I've put the Shield on hold, I wanted to do as much info gathering as possible, which is how I came upon your channel, before choosing the .40 over the 9mm (currently leaning towards 9mm). What are your thoughts? Thank you, Dave
If you are referring to the temporary cavity, you are correct, but there is a significant difference in the volume of the earyly permanent cavity for the same penetration and final expanded size. And the important variable that controls this if the rate that the petals are folded back. There is a period od tifn time when the petals are folding back that the expanded area is larger, sometimes much larger, and the time that this occupies is a very important parameter in the effectiveness of the round, all else being equal. The only feasible nmeasurement of this is the permanent wound cavity volunme
Hello, And again thank you for all these test. We decided on the Lehigh XP for the Glock 42. How would you rate the recoil of thr Federal HST 124 to the 147 grain without the plus P. I'm an old hoot and not as strong as I use to be in my younger days😃
I like the performance of both the 124 and 147 standard pressure HST in your short barrel test. Which would you think would perform best from a 4" Glock 19? I assume the increased velocity would decrease penetration and I would hope to stay in the 12 to 18 range. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
Fortunately there are lots of published test reports on the HSTs from the G19. Doctor Roberts got 14.6" thru bare, and 15.6" thru denim, with the 147gr standard pressure HST. I can't seem to find where he's tested the 124gr.
Thanks for your quick response! I enjoy your tests very much. I just got a Glock 42 and the tests with Precision One coming out on top was great. Now for them to get it back in stock! I am looking forward to 40 short barrel tests someday as I have a Glock 27 as well. Thans again!
I think we all split hairs over which ammo is best, but the HST's performance in any weight is not to be denied. The HST makes a great "Carry" round.
hst or gold dots. no brainer.
1000% HST
Agreed
Critical defense is next best
I keep finding myself coming back to check this vid out. It makes me so happy to know this is whats in my CCW.
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me too.
So do I! I think the HST 147s are the best.
Same.
What are you rockin
I wish this guy was still making videos.
So do I!
LoneWanderer360 Me too man. And TNOutdoors
Yes they were my 2 favorites!
He is! He just came out with a video stating why he stopped and that he is going to start them up again. Sounds like he had some big medical issues, brother your in my prayers, thank you for your videos. You steered me to the HST 124 gr. +P in my carry S&W shield.
Indeed. I feel RUclips demonization of firearm videos had a lot to do with it. None of the components for these videos are cheap, plus the creators time. If they could at least break even, I think one or both may have continued.
And so far, there is no one who has stepped up produces the same quality of video.
I've shot the 124 and 147 back to back out of a shield. The 147 is a much softer shooting round and is pretty much identical to the feel of a typical 115gr range ammo load. They also shoot dead on. Doesn't get any better than this.
You are performing an invaluable service. Please keep'em coming.
Excellent! Been carrying this load for a couple of years in my Nano, so I'm happy to see that it performed as I have always expected it to. I previously carried the 124 grain +P HST but switched to standard pressure 147 because I find it easier to shoot accurately and I believe it penetrates more consistently. I do tend to like heavy-for-caliber as well.
I've been a 45 acp man for most of my adult life. But with the evolution of the 9mm self defense round especially the HST's. Im thoroughly convinced that this 147 gr. round will be more than adequate to give me the knock down power that I desire. Thanks for the video and the professionalism of the testing.
Same here. However, I still like the slower .45 for home defense as we live close to other houses & I think the .45 can do as much or more damage at a slower speed with less probability of over penetration.
115 and 124 both have more "knockdown power" than the 147 grain bullet. Good thing knockdown power isn't really a thing in semi auto pistol.
@@Woowoo88yes the knock down power thing is not true at all. Just think of all the deer that get shoot with 270 330 even 30-06 and still take of running even with good bullet placement. Which is why police are trained to fire until the suspect drops the gun or falls down incapacitated.
I have the 124gr HST's and finally found some of the 147gr HST's. Really appreciate your outstanding reviews. Thank you.
I picked up a Walther PPS M2 in 9mm recently for primary CCW. This video (along with the others) made the choice easy for my EDC. I'll be sticking with 9mm Federal HST 147gr standard pressure! Thanks for doing these test for the shooting community!
How do you like it?? I own a G43 and want to get another single stack 9mm.
My PPS M2 is my carry and I shoot it one handed with a laser and it is the best I have shot with great accuracy.
just watched again as a refresher! You do great work, thanks!!
I watched every one of the 9mm videos on this channel. This is now the ammo I carry every day. Thanks for all your amazing work!
Thank you very much for your videos. After watching videos for hours, reading tons of reviews, and lots of antagonizing, I settled on the Fed. 147 HST Standard Pressure for my Glock 26. Might not penetrate as deep as some, but still plenty sufficient, and I never saw the 147 HST SP; under-penetrate, over-penetrate, separate, or fail to give that huge, sharp, well defined expansion.
Thanks Again!
Fantastic!! Federal HST yet again sets the bar. Thank you for this test and I wait in anticipation for more.
Have watched all your videos several times you are the most reliable in my opinion on ammo choices for a short barrel, I carry a glock 26 and have the HST 147 standard pressure, was carrying Lehigh defense maximum expansion till I saw how shallow an inconsistent it was. A lot of people try to mimic your videos but can't come close thanks for your help
I absolutely agree. I still use my 45 for home defense. Simply because for home defense your encounter with perpetrators will be very close. That's when the cannonball round of the 45 will be most effective. I also use the HST in my 45.
For home defense, I just use a shotgun. No need to settle for a pistol when you're in your home.
Great review. I was a little hesitant to use the 147 grain in my Hellcat, but this review really opened my eyes.
These tests are outstanding. I have these in 124 and 147.
The HST 147gr was what made me switch from the 45acp and 40S&W to the 9mm. I mean, when you can get this sort of performance with less recoil and less cost, why on earth would you use anything else? The jericho sitting here on my desk is loaded up with 147gr HST.
^this
Not to mention more rounds in the mag and a smaller lighter pistol.
thekissrule I don't know about lighter. I like my steel frame 9mms. The jericho is roughly 3 pounds loaded!
my m&p is steel where it needs to be, and full of 147gr golddot. Will have to try hst too if I can ever find some.
Why? Because it won't feed reliably. In some guns it does but like ALL SD ammo you have to go with what feeds reliably as close to 100% of the time as you can find. A few mags worth is not going to tell you. Shoot several hundred at least. I run HST's in my 45, Speer GD's in my .40 and Golden Saber's in my 9. All are good loads and all feed differently.
Outstanding work Sir. You are now my go to guy for Sage ammunition advice. Outstanding presentation and a comprehensive review of the capabilities of the round. Nicely done Sir, nicely done.
I love these 147 gr HST's! They expand beautifully!
Great video! Amongst the most valuable and meaningful videos for carry ammo in shorter barrels. Really glad you do these and how you do these. Mostly to the point and I love how all your shots are done in a rapid series and not making us sit through each shot individually; same with the results. This makes for shorter and to the point videos. Keep up the great job!
I followed the entire 9mm Quest along with much of other calibers. I reference this testing regularly when questioned about my ammo recommendations.
Just bought these. Switched from critical defense. Love the heavier grain and better expansion. Thank you
From Bone Frog Gun Club? I got 3 50 round boxes from them that just arrived by UPS today. Some guy was saying the recoil on them through a short barrel is snappy but I hit a pie plate just fine with my LC9s at 15ish yards.
Thank you for doing these videos. You have, by far, done the best job of consistent testing of these 9mm ammos I have ever seen. Your tests have been quite eye opening and have changed my thoughts on some 9mm ammo that I have carried in the past. After watching your tests I will be doing some more research but it seems likely that I may be switching to the Federal HST in either 124 or 147 grain. Thank you again.
Agree. With concealed carry and short barrels it's a double reason for us to better understand our ammo.
Any chance you can do this again with the new version of this cartridge? They changed a few things with the bullet .
Without pulling the cartridge apart you can tell the new from the old by the blue lacquer around the primer , the old version has no lacquer.
If you do pull it apart then you can see some other changes they made
This is what I carry. Thanks for all the hard work!!
I am on board. Can't wait to get my shipment and try it out. Not just yours (although your review is great, too), but several other reviews on the 147 HST are just great. Keep up the good work! (has to be fun!)
The best ammo test channel on RUclips. Why aren't more people subbing? Anyways awesome video, thanks for posting.
Thanks!
This ammunition saved my life. I had a split second to decide to fire. Granted, it was the .45 ACP, but the threat was INSTANTLY neutralized.
how about the courts day after the incident ? any charge ?
The .45acp and .40s&w hst's are pretty famous. The 147gr 9mm hst's are why officers are opting for the .40s&w option despite the increased personal cost. I won't accept anything less than 15" of penetration in bare gel as a standard. Having shot enough hogs in my life the 9mm is just ok and nothing more despite them selling all the new bullet technology stuff. It's not going .357 fast, and it's not .40s&w heavy.
@@slimjim7411I used the 115 fort Scott 9mm copper spun bullets on a hog. Was using a 4 inch gun. It blew a very large hole in the brain cavity. I run that round out on the ranch in my handgun. Will be buying a 10 mm which has the best ballistics of a semi auto.
Another great video! Thanks to you and to the person who donated the bullets.
Great vid. After first seeing the perfect performance of these rounds, I bought a few 50 packs and haven't looked back since. Every time I hear someone at the gun shop ask for Hydra-Shoks or Critical Defense, I have to hold my tongue.
Me and you both haha😉
Great job sir. I love how you do the vids, with no "waiting" time between each shots and cutting it out of the gel. Just the facts in a fast manner. Please keep up the great work.
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This is what I carry in my G19. I am totally confident in it. Your test just reassures my confidence. Thanks for the great video. I loved the multiple shots in multiple succession.
Beautiful performance, awesome consistent expansion...thanks for the review I think i found my new carry ammo for my millennium G2
Great test thank you. I have three primary carry loads and HST's are now my favorites
I thanked you on your 380 reviews as it helped me determine which round to outfit my wife with and her Sig P238. Your video reviews have now solidified which rounds best serve my needs in my M&P Shield in 9mm. Now, if I could only find some in stock somewhere. Keep up the amazing work and THANK YOU for the impartial and scientific reviews.
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful!
Thanks for a great video. Confirmed my decision to use this as my EDC round.
Thank god people sell pulled hst bullets for reloading! Just bought 500 bullets for $57. Thanks for the video. Can't wait to train with these. They seem like the only 9mm bullet worth carrying IMO.
According to your testing 147 grain standard pressure get better result than 147 +p.This will be in my glock 26 after watching a lot of video and review.Thanks for the video.Great job!
Can’t go wrong with any HST ammo. Whether it’s +p or standard pressure they are extremely consistent. Great performance out of this ammo. Federal is definitely at the top of their game. Stay safe and God bless
Going to get some of this rounds for my G19, thank you for the review like always excellent work!
I'm glad Mr. Lahey finally found his calling.
Really enjoyed the no nonsense test and review. Clear and concise...well done. Definitely got me as a new subscriber.
These work great in my 43X and Springfield XDS 3.3!!!
these work great in everything.
BTW as always thank you for a great test, your 5 shot test (instead of 1 shot test) are a better perspective of what to expect
This is the best ballistics channel that I have ever seen and each day gets better. Thank you for explaining how the projects work.
Personally I would choose the 124gr over this because of a little better penetration. Both are excellent however, this is simply my preference.
Great job on these! Thanks for the information!
In the FBI testing the 124gr failed the auto glass test. It's performance was abyssmal Jacket separation and only penetrated 9" afterwards.
The 147gr also failed the auto glass test but performed better due to it's extra weight (more momentum) It was able to penetrate 11" into ballistics gel after the glass.
This may not hold much weight for us civilians who probably will never shoot anyone in our lives, but just thought I'd throw that information out there. If you ever have to shoot through glass to protect yourself or your loved ones and you carry HST just know that through glass they perform no better than the infamous Winchester Silver Tip.
The FBI favors penetration over expansion which is why Hornady won the most recent FBI service ammo contract.
This video is why I chose This ammo in all my carry guns
What a great service you are doing for us who are looking to make an intelligent decision, on a serious subject and intent. If your choosing to defend yourself, it better work. I don't know where else I could have gotten this kind of info in such a clear and easy to understand format. The average person does not match the ammo to the specific gun/barrel length, let alone look at ballistic data if it is available.
Excellent work. Happiness is a beautifully expanded HST.
I should have said I am disappointed we don't get to see the early wound track.
Thanks again!
Dave
Awesome round right there. Been carrying it for years now. Looking forward to more 9mm ammo quest vids!
@ShootingTheBull410 do you have any plans to review the new federal micro 150gr? Partculary in comparison to the 147gr from a 3" barrel. Thank you for all the dedicated work, time and money you have already indulged in this project!
Thank you for such amazing, informative videos. Very well done and greatly appreciated.
You can buy this ammo in bulk. Target sports usa has a case of 1000 for $399.80.
Keep it a secret
That is a beautiful expanded bullet
I use 124 HST in my shorter M&P Shield, and 147 HST in my Ruger American Pistol (duty version). Amazing stuff.
Thanks for the terrific video!
I have a Ruger American full size, too, and I also load it with these (147 HST standard pressure). I do most of my practicing with American Eagle 147 FMJ flat points (AE9FP), which shoot identical to the HSTs, as far as I can tell, so it's a great combo.
I have been practicing with Freedom's 147 HP... which do fine, too. I really enjoy the Ruger American full and "compact".... lol compact, .... right.... lol. Glad to have both guns though. Terrific job by Ruger. Overall,
my favorite round is the 124 HST... they DO "feel" smooth... Had to explain.
ooppps... also, the 124 HST runs GREAT in the Taurus Millinium G2.... which I found to be a darn good carry gun. I like the 12+1 rounds. LOL... the Ruger Americans are just too large to carry.(OWB for Winter) I keep the Smith Shield in case the Taurus takes a dump... which doesn't really seem likely.
HST is such a beautiful round.
Have you had a chance to test the new 150 gr hst "micro" that's supposed to be designed specifically for short barrel pocket pistols yet? Would love to see more! Great reviews! Very in depth and thorough.
I have been using these rounds in a Kahr CM9, they function quite well and feel very nice. the only thing that I have noticed is an unfamiliar smell when the powder is burned. I would love to see a review as well. I have put 10 of the 20rd 150Gr Micro boxes from walmart through mine without issue. I had no issues at all when the gun was new and unpolished. my CM9 is now hand polished and as expected still gives me no issue at all. very low flash and it just feels smooth and predictable.
what a great test. you are major helpful.
Thanks again for providing a nice review. I just bought 100 rounds of the 147 HST.
Hello everyone Tactical Defense Solutions have the standard pressure 124 & 147 in stock as I just bought some. They have the 9BPLE too so look them up.
Such beautiful little flowers!!!!
Awesome video. Can't wait to see the 147 grain +P video!
I really appreciate all of your reviews, great job!
Thank you for all your reviews. Very informative and helpful.
Thank you for your efforts. As a result of your testing, I will carry these mainly due to being subsonic and standard pressure (hopefully less muzzle flash from a 3" bbl.) and the consistent performance. All subject to reliable feeding in my firearms.
Your tests are fantastic. I hope you are doing well!
it is just so great looking & preforming. I post a picture of expanded rounds over other loads to make them jealous .
I just bought a Kahr CW9 and have some of these laying around from a couple years ago. Now I know what to feed my new pistol. Thanks!
How do you like that Kahr? I'm thinking about getting one. I have a CW45, but the spent casings are known to eject back toward the shooter's head. Does the 9mm do that??
filoIII I have only shot it once but it didn't do that. My Glock 19 has a nasty habit of doing it though.
I assume the 147 has a bit less recoil in the small pistols vs the 124? This round is a winner! All HSTs perform fantastically.
I cannot deny the superlative performance of Federal's HST. My G43 is loaded with 147 grain HSTs now, and I am no longer worried the barrel length is too short to allow expansion. Done.
Thanks for these videos been looking for the best grain for my shield for awhile now.
these are now my ccw ammo, I get my best groups out of my shield with nowhere near the recoil of both +P’s . I now have a new home defense pistol, a ruger american pro in 9mm. I will be looking for which one of the 4 (Federal LE HST 124, 147 regular and +P as my home defense round. I have not seen any rests anywhere near as comprehensive and scientifically accurate as yours, so the decision will be difficult.
This round is a mic drop round for me. I can shoot it out of all of my 9mm guns very effectively. Great videos, thank you!
I appreciate your hard work in getting this data for us! But i am dissappointed that we get to see the detailed early wound track. I have found significant variation from maker to maker in the early, most important wound cavity for the same expansion and penetratration numbers. Please include a look at the zero to 8 inch wound track.
Thanks again!
Dave
The early wound track is something that other testers focus heavily on, but in general, with most handgun rounds, it's largely irrelevant. In Duncan MacPherson's seminal work "Bullet Penetration", he created a formula for assessing how much tissue is destroyed by a bullet, in designing his "MacPherson Wound Trauma Indicator". In that formula, he totally discards all penetration below 8", and gradually progressively weighted higher up to 13", finally giving full credit for penetration from 13 to 15". In FBI testing or in Gary Roberts' professional testing, no mention of the early wound cavity is made at all.
Prior to the introduction of modern bullet testing standards, there was a lot of focus placed on the temporary cavity and on the first 8 inches -- in fact, the old Relative Incapacitation Index formula, to which earlier bullets were designed to perform, focused entirely on the first 8 inches. And ammo that complied with that standard was found to be inadequate for acceptable terminal performance. The new standards (to which modern ammo is designed to perform) don't place any emphasis on early damage track performance.
I generally don't bother with the early wound cavity damage, because it isn't what's important and most handgun bullets end up doing largely the same or very similar damage. Sometimes one type of ammo will do much more damage than another, and when that happens, I do break down the wound track and show what has happened in the block for those exceptions. The sustained damage done by the Lehigh Extreme Penetrator was such a substantial departure from the typical handgun bullet that I did a whole different type of review to show what was happening. I also will show detailed damage cavity examinations for highly powerful rounds such as shotgun slugs or rifle rounds.
Some types of ammo do spectacularly large amounts of damage in the first few inches (such as fragmenting or frangible rounds) but those have been largely discredited in actual terminal performance. Large initial damage tracks in the first four or five inches of gel may translate into nasty shallow wounds, but are not sufficient to contribute to terminal performance.
seriously, that was impressive. Great review!
Great test as always. I really appriciate your contribution to our CCW community. I know your testing has had a great influence on my choices for carry ammo in my small single stack pocket 9mm pistols. I was curious though as to why you never tested Federals 9mm micro load? It seems it would be an obvious contender for testing such as yours. Ive had great interest in this offering since it is far more available in my area than any of the other HST offerrings. Thank you once again for all of your hard work on all of these tests!
How about testing the HST 150gr micro?
mediocre round. use only for recoil sensitive.
Lucky gunner did this exact load with only a half inch longer barrel and got +2 inches of average penetration from this test. Barrel length really makes a difference...
I just bought a lot of this specific round based on these videos but had a very disconcerting trip to the range. I fired them through my Ruger LC9s and experienced many failures, like 6 or more in 25 shots. The rounds were hanging up in the magazines and failing to cycle, and one round jammed into the top of the chamber instead of sliding into battery. The failures occurred with 3 different mags. All the mags were the Ruger brand 9round extended mags which is what I carry and have never had other failures. It was cold and I'd fired my gun some without cleaning it prior, but I would never consider these excuses for such failures in a CC load, especially considering that I fired both cheap 115gr Blazer aluminum and some 124gr Speer Gold dot flawlessly before and after the 147 HST. My theory is that the 147gr rounds are slightly longer and caused them to jam in the mags, front to back. I'm going to try some in my Ruger SR9c and perhaps my XD9 and CZ P01 and CZ SP01. Maybe the double stack mags have a little more tolerance, or just the different models. I'm also going to purchase some 124 gr HST and give them a try (I'm pretty optimistic that this will work). I might also try some of the 147gr HST through the 7 round mags and see if for some reason that works better, maybe the 9 rounders have tighter tolerances (I find this unlikely). Let me know if anyone has any ideas.
David Lesan what did you learn with 7 round mag.
In the FBI testing the 124gr failed the auto glass test. It's performance was abyssmal Jacket separation and only penetrated 9" afterwards.
The 147gr also failed the auto glass test but performed better due to it's extra weight (more momentum) It was able to penetrate 11" into ballistics gel after the glass.
This may not hold much weight for us civilians who probably will never shoot anyone in our lives, but just thought I'd throw that information out there. If you ever have to shoot through glass to protect yourself or your loved ones and you carry HST just know that through glass they perform no better than the infamous Winchester Silver Tip.
The FBI favors penetration over expansion which is why Hornady won the most recent FBI service ammo contract. The FBI actually prefer ammo that penetrates 14-15" in their testing. People need to remember that Gel is homogenous and that 12" in gel does not equal 12" into a human torso especially if it's a fat person.
Great comparison job. Thank you.
These little babies are on my shopping list for the gun show Friday....
Just subscribed. Great testing format, very informative and an awesome RUclips channel for gun lovers. Thanks a lot for the work!!
I can't find these anywhere I was able to find the 150 grain micro HST's specifically design for 3 inch barrel guns I would love to see that one tested and shown in comparison with the 147 grain 124 grain and plus P respectively
Excellent results! Just bought two boxes of the 150 gr HSTs. Can you give them a try?
Great video. I just got a Walther PPS M2 and Im still trying out different types of ammo. theres alot to consider.
Very good video !!! Thanks and Hello from Houston Tx
Federal HST is the winner in my opinion. Hard to decide between 124 and 147 though.
Any chance we can get you to review Federal HST 150 Grain? It's a defensive round for civilians. It just came out 5 months ago.
Thanks for your clear, concise testing. I've been looking for quality, up-to-date testing of various types of ammo currently available. It's just silly for people to generalize "the 9mm" or "the .45" round when technology among various manufacturers, and their individual products, is so clearly different.
I'm looking forward to more reviews on the other types of Federal HST ammo in both 9mm and .45. I know you are reviewing ammo specifically for 3-inch barreled firearms, but will you eventually move on to larger pistols? As well, I think you could be instrumental in clearing up the debate over the effectiveness of the FN 5.7 round. I would like to see you test the FiveseveN pistol with the various types ammo available including the defense ammo from Elite Ammunition. I understand that this could be way down the road, but if you could secure the pistol, I would be happy to provide the ammo. Thanks again for the quality videos.
Any plans to test Team Never Quit 9mm ammo? Would be interested to see some high quality ballistic gel test with both their 100 gr frangible hollow point & 115 solid copper hollow point. Would really like their ammo to work as a piece of each sale benefits the Lone Survivor Foundation. However, before I carry it, I would like to see a decent ballistics test on it. Thanks for all the work that you do.
Perfect win. thanks for the video.
Excellent and very educational videos!
Subscribed!
I have a M&P Shield .40S&W on hold for a CCW handgun and have been considering buying the 9mm version instead (1 extra round & reduced muzzle flip). Most of my handguns are in .40 and I'm used to the recoil on a full size/compact handgun including my M&P40. That being said, I realize the recoil on a subcompact will be more noticeable, yet have not had the opportunity nor necessity to shoot a subcompact .40.
I am wondering what the differences of muzzle energy, expansion, and penetration will be out of a Shield (3" barrel) in 9mm vs. .40S&W with a quality ammo like HST.
Since I've put the Shield on hold, I wanted to do as much info gathering as possible, which is how I came upon your channel, before choosing the .40 over the 9mm (currently leaning towards 9mm).
What are your thoughts?
Thank you,
Dave
These are my favorite in this size handgun.
Great video. I think I may switch to this round.
If you are referring to the temporary cavity, you are correct, but there is a significant difference in the volume of the earyly permanent cavity for the same penetration and final expanded size. And the important variable that controls this if the rate that the petals are folded back. There is a period od tifn time when the petals are folding back that the expanded area is larger, sometimes much larger, and the time that this occupies is a very important parameter in the effectiveness of the round, all else being equal. The only feasible nmeasurement of this is the permanent wound cavity volunme
I use 147 gr standard pressure in a XDM 4.5" barrel, and a PPS M2 with it's 3.1" barrel. Accurate, no failures to feed or eject.
Hello, And again thank you for all these test. We decided on the Lehigh XP for the Glock 42. How would you rate the recoil of thr Federal HST 124 to the 147 grain without the plus P. I'm an old hoot and not as strong as I use to be in my younger days😃
I like the performance of both the 124 and 147 standard pressure HST in your short barrel test. Which would you think would perform best from a 4" Glock 19? I assume the increased velocity would decrease penetration and I would hope to stay in the 12 to 18 range. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
Fortunately there are lots of published test reports on the HSTs from the G19. Doctor Roberts got 14.6" thru bare, and 15.6" thru denim, with the 147gr standard pressure HST. I can't seem to find where he's tested the 124gr.
Thanks for your quick response! I enjoy your tests very much. I just got a Glock 42 and the tests with Precision One coming out on top was great. Now for them to get it back in stock! I am looking forward to 40 short barrel tests someday as I have a Glock 27 as well. Thans again!