An Introduction to Competitive SSBM or Why Melee is the greatest game ever made
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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Iwata saw the competitive potential in Melee, but sakurai didnt.
I wish Iwata had more influence in Brawl and Smash 4, maybe we would have a better sequel to Melee
His name is Iwata.
***** Indeed.
rip
Who else is knows pretty much all about the competitive scene, but is watching just as a reminder of what it really means to us
+Jellifisticz
I usually watch stuff like this to circlejerk on smash and the watch how the worlds opinion on smash changed over the years by skimming the comment section.
Just me being honest.
I just rewatched in 2020
Me
Pending nintendo copyright strikes...
I watched this video about a year and a half ago randomly, then watched the documentary, and started playing melee immediately after that. I'm still not great yet, still haven't been PRed in my region, but Melee is a huge part of my life now and I am so glad I found it. Thanks for making this video and leading me, and probably others too, to this insanely amazing game.
how far off are you from pr? im trying to get on my regions pr too
In my country I'll get to the PR even if I lose 2-0 in both winners and losers in te first rounds lmao what a great place to live :(
We have like 30 people PRed, even less
Michael Crawshaw I’m curious about an update since this comment was from 4 years ago. Where are you now?
We need answers!!!!!!
Edit: exclamation points added for dramatic effect
@@papijr408 We need answers!
Melee is really the best.
Yoninja12
ayyyyyye
20XX
Alpharad has said that he likes melee more though.
+Rogue Lord Kaz Sm4sh isn't bad. Just not a fan of the speed of the game and such but it's ok. Melee will always be better. Never played Brawl in its true form before(or atleast not much). My friend always played Project M and he had a Wii(I didn't)so when ever I went to his pad I always played Project M.
Oh crap it's ya boi
Not gonna lie, I went "AWWW" when Baumi announced he would be going to his first tournament the next day. Really brought a smile to my face
Baumi should major in advertising lol this was extremely well done
God All Mighty ikr, i would like him to do reviews on various games and promoting them too
Why would he need to major in advertising if he's already good at it?
God bless you Baumi. God bless you. May your tech chases always be on point, your edgeguards always be crispy, and your movement slick and stylish. Also, 20XX has smiled upon you for creating your area's smash scene. We are alike in that aspect. Good luck sir, and happy smashing!
This video. This game. My life. The only thing I wish, is that my friends were as competitive as me when I was young. I would always beat them and they wouldn't want to push the limits. Never found out about a scene until a couple years ago. I only wish I'd have known sooner.
"it's impossible to be perfect at this game" M2K exists tho.
Chronoloco He has never won a major with all five gods in one place he isnt close to perfect
iam Malala Frankly, none of them are perfect. M2K is hypothetically and absolutely correct.
iam Malala dumb shit lol
viggokan Does being perfect even matter?
+Skeeter Mania to make it easier to understand he is by far the worst of the gods and shouldn't even be considered a god a this point. He doesent win against any of the other gods and he is just not the way he was in the past.
Wow Baumi this was an amazing video i dont know why but i think it was just really well put together also i think you have a glitch or something at 23:36
awful weird anime screamo in the middle. other than that cringy music that might turn people off if this is their first look at melee, it was a super amazing video
It's from another video called if melee was a hype anime intro.
song is still ass
That song and video is so fucking awesome!
sounds very similar to the electro heavy intro to parasyte
Cuz its the same artist
Overall a pretty good video, but the whole segment around 20 minutes in, talking about opinions on what the game is ''supposed'' to be was just poor strawmanning. Representing the opposite opinions with a silly voice is just really low. Also, the counter argument to ''Smash is a casual party game'' shouldn't be ''That's wrong, because StarCraft is a popular esport''. At this point, you could have gone back to the mechanics of the game and pointed out how Smash has a duality of both being a great casual party friendly game, while at the same time featuring unique mechanics that give it enough depth to be satisfying at a competitive level.
Melee mechanics are by far some of the most in depth in gaming history, probably the most in fighting games due to the incredible amount of advanced movement techniques in the game and some stuff being 1 frame dependant (timings of 1/60th of a second) and many more not much lower. Because of all these movement techniques and general "freedom" compared to other fighting games makes for an art form in itself. You can literally identify players through videos without even knowing who it is, just by looking at the flow of the character! I have personally been playing since release and competitively since 2009 and rank top 10 in the UK. Personally for me, melee is the greatest game and even the deepest concept I've experienced in general. Just watch the TAS section of this video, with the fox, that will show you melee is limitless and the speed can go quicker than people can comprehend.
I mean, melee is pretty dope ( my fav player is aMSa and lucky), I feel that mvc2 is better. Melee lacks a projectile zoning character in it (fox 's laser ain't good enough for it and Falco can't just shoot all day with power shields present). Characters like cable, sentinel, storm, blackheart, and more really have a "feel the screen with garbage" type of playstyle that is super fun. If. zelda had her din's fire reworked, by consuming more space and less endlag with other changes, I think she would had made the game way more "complete".
Keith Wayne I don't know mvc2 at all at high level, although I loved it casually back in the day. I know mvc2 has depth but nothing is like melee for the simple reason melee is not a traditional fighting game. It has so many more aspects to it than standard fighters. And the mental game here is crazy due to techs, missed techs giving you rolls, all that has to be reacted to extremely quickly in order to punish. As I said I don't know much about mvc2 at high level but I seriously doubt its got more depth than melee simply because it's a traditional fighter. Melee hitboxes are also 3D oh man there's just so much in this amazing game (mental sport rather).
Melee isn't a mental sport (it's rather just a sport because of the execution requirement). Just sayin
Also, mvc2 is a team-based fighting game with assists and stuff and those assists vary not only from character to character, but within the character ITSELF. Ex. Sentinel has 3 completely different assists of his own and changing one up opens up doors to much different game plans. Then, when you factor in team layouts (MSP "magneto storm psyloke in that order), the game is stupidly full of freedom that is on par with melee. But, I prefer mvc2 tho. Melee IS dope (played fox, so much fun), I just prefer "marfvel baby".
Yeah man fully entitled to your opinion bro! I guess it's both a mental and physical sport then really...mvc2 is definitely an EPIC fighting game but it'll never surpass melee for me, the assists definitely have crazy depth though! Melee just is pure freedom and I would say mvc2 is more developed optinally than melee. Also I can't stand infinites they ruin fighters for me. (fuck ice climbers tho) lool.
The thing about infinites though is that they show "hey, this game is a little loose on rules and restrictions! You may find some cool and expressive things in here!" Example: EVERY marvel game, melee (u kno; fox vs link with infinite wave shine), brawl (hey, it still has some freedom with the chars. ICs did some crazy stuff, diddys at the highest level is insane MetaKnight is MetaKnight. If it didn't have tripping, and a balanced MK, along with a fixed D3 and G&W so they didn't invalidate half of the cast along with other fixes; it would of Been pretty good), HnK, some KOF games, CvS2, the list goes on.
LOL hungrybox went crazy after that comeback against Sfat
I know you made this comment 5 years ago but I want to make sure you saw hbox almost pass out after popping off lol
Armada was talking to Obi Wan in his head. He doesn't need the targeting device.
Literally got goosebumps.. Geez, man!
***** Dolphin + Melee ISO
***** Dolphin Netplay + Melee ISO + Controller Adapter = Online Melee
Louis Colangelo Ello :3
Why does the fighting competitive community refuse to accept Smash as part of it?
and why nintendo dont help it?
***** I'm not sure that's really the reason. I have many FGC friends and the typical excuse they give me is that it's a "party fighter" and not a real fighting game. Also, it's a game published by Nintendo, which there's a stigma that Nintendo games are for kids.
As for why Nintendo hasn't supported it: For one, it's Nintendo. And Nintendo does what Nintendo does (which doesn't always make sense). Secondly, the creator Sakurai isn't all that thrilled with how far Melee players have taken the game. That's why Brawl and Smash 4 lack nearly all of the advanced techniques that existed in Melee. Nintendo has started somewhat supporting the competitive scene, but mainly for Smash 4 because they want to sell more copies of the game. Nintendo doesn't make any money off of sold copies of Melee, after all.
***** There is no combo system
Crow I think ur second question answers the first pretty well. Its funny because playing street fighter actually helped me a lot with melee. Many of the same concepts apply.
Chris Rosenorn Yeah, but everyone knows that's ridiculous, because how something is used is what defines it. In other words, it is a party fighter, but a competitive fighting game as well, much like a bat can be both a sports object or a weapon.
I couldn't take anyone who refuses to see that seriously.
Crow The fgc has started to accept the smash community more, but mostly it's that the smash community wants to be separate. People have SUPER elitist attitudes like Jund Arbiter here, and most smash players don't want to play other fighting games. It's much less of the fgc not accepting smash as smash wanting to be separate and special lol.
Im not saying that Smash or Melee isn't a great game or that it doesn't have a great competitive scene or even that is hasn't lasted the test of time. But you cant give a game the title of "Greatest game ever made" cause there is no definitive "best" or "greatest" for rating a game. People have different preferences.
Just sayin xD
Daniel Jackson its the only game i bother playing anymore after over 25 years and hundreds of games. IMO its the best game ever made and fully deserves that title.
Brent Kramm and you are entitled to yours :) we can all be wrong together!
You can call it best, but wont be true...
Daniel Jackson You can say it isn't true all you want, but that does not make you right...
I'm so confused now
11:21 "WHO IZ YOU?! WHO ISSSZZ YOU!" Lol got me laughing so hard
I wouldn't say melee is deeper than most other competitive games out there. But its simplicity allows players to focus on what should be the focus, a deeper understanding of the game engine, its mechanics, and the almost unlimited potential stacking it onto other players (psychology play).
Every competitive game I play requires reading, forcing, positioning, and high tech skill mechanic play. (World of warcraft, sc2, Counter-Strike 1.6/Source, l4d2). I'm glad melee exists because sometimes words exist (like DI) that should really be used in other games, but almost never are.
"Cancelling" exists in most games accidentally as well, (like edge cancelling) so I hope more players notice and utilize these advantages in other games, cause melee has made me a better player in other games as well.
8:44
"MAN-go"
I'm gonna pronounce his name like that from now on :P
great use of soooo many videos. so well put together. great commentary. and holy fuck i was so surprised when i looked in the description and saw all the links to everything. WELL DONE DUDE.
Great video! Glad you put this together. =)
KREYGASM
Great video, man. I've been interested in Melee for a while but didn't understand exactly what made it so technical until I picked up Rivals of Aether yesterday and the tutorial told me about teching, wave dashing, forms of cancelling, etc.
Really cool stuff.
RoA isn't even close to as technical as Melee
Well yeah, they're not the same game, and Rivals was built with the intent to be easier to get into and play technically.
I really love melee and I have installed in Dolphin on my PC. However, my computer is not fast enough to run it on full speed. I still play against bots occasionally, but I really really want to get a new PC so I can play this amazing game. But until then at least I can watch tournaments
When you upgrade your PC make sure you download the 20XX training hackpack. You can run it right off dolphin and it adds an insane amount of amazing features to help you improve. Like CPUs that randomly DI and Tech.
DAYProduction Thanks for the tip! I will definitely look into it!
You know you could always buy a GameCube and melee
Mushmak Where? I have no idea what stores sell gamecubes...
online bro
Bruh how many times are u gonna say u can't play online? It's called netplay bruh - and find players on smash ladder dude!
It's not the same in some cases, especially the small nuances in lag.
Remy Xu but you can still play online with a massive community. And it's very easy to do
Remy Xu For a second I thought your Avatar for Jonny Joestar.
Bruh look at when the was uploaded. Netplay was very underdeveloped and smashladder was also growing. It's not the same back then as it is now.
this was released in 2015 before net pay was released
hxh music is dope!
Amen
You could do ASMR with that voice and accent dude. But awesome video. I played Melee casually for years, and this is the first real introduction I've seen to the competitive scene for it. Appreciate the video!
I love Melee and always will but you're definitely wrong about Melee being built as a competitive game from the start. It was never intended to be but it just happened.
Proof?
+Süleyman Inc. Sakurai said it in an interview I'm pretty sure
I also said "My father's Jesus Christ" last year. I really don't want to offend you but it's possible that Sakurai lied in the interview.
+Slay Inc. you do know that one of brawls main purposes was to be as casual as it can be due to what happened to melee (that being heavily used for competitive play, which is opposite of what he wanted melee to be)
I think what it means is that Sakurai considered 1v1s when making the game and in a way tailored to the then nonexistent competitive scene. So there was probably some competitive design to it, just not to the point it has gotten.
So glad you made this video, hopefully it'll introduce so many more people to the game like you did for me a few months back just on streams !
Greatest Game ever made?
What an overstatement.
Only games better would be third strike(opinion) or starcraft 2(fact)
This was a beautiful video. Since I really badly want to become both a sm4sh player and a melee player, this helped me learn more about the game I want to get into more. I've never even played melee, but I want to beat Hungrybox and Leffen and Mang0. Looking at them play, I say to myself, "I wanna be him". Now, I may be overthinking this, but I would flip my sh!t one night if I beat one of them. Same goes for sm4sh. I look at ZeRo and Nairo and say the same thing. I can't stop thinking about it. Good luck in your first tournament. I honestly, a couple of times, wanted to cry during the video. I've always HATED real sports, but this is something I can take pride in. I can say I am/ want to be a competitive smash player. No one can take that from me. I've never played a game series as much as smash. I've never been welcomed with warm arms as much as the smash community. I'm into CSGO. The community throws sh!t at each other for no good reason other than to be sh!tty people. This community, I take pride in and will defend it. May both sm4sh and melee have a long run, or in melee's case, keep the life going for a long time.
were they playing lelle in a fucking church damn XD
Poetically symbolic
The players are called "Gods" for a reason you know.
Jeeze Baumi, this was great. I can't tell you how much this helps the scene, really. And it's cool you're a dota channel as well, dota players now know about melee, which is great :) thanks for doing this!
it's sad you don't make smash content anymore.
Yep, just DOTA 2 stuff with disabled comments.
I'm so glad this is what comes up when parents look up "what is melee"
14:20 is that Cop?
***** dude holy fuck I was thinking the same thing, so I went to the comments to see if anyone else thought so too xD good shit
+MexicanGuppy Yeah, CLG was there for a LoL event that was going on
+MexicanGuppy i think I saw Piglet there
i was about to comment it lol
i believe he used to play melee too before league, im not sure if it was him but im pretty sure some of league pros used to compete on melee
i have hax $ added on league :)
20:06 this argument is false e sports has been around since the 1980's
Now I wanna play it, well done :,)
I think the coolest thing about melee (and smash in general) is how there's such a grassroots feel to it still. I really like Dota 2 but it's pretty amazing to be able to play melee and go and actually compete in local tournaments. It makes the "path" to becoming a competitive player feel way more obtainable. Pretty incredible.
Lmao salty smash 4 kids complaining in the comments
I love how when they were showing the axe clip d1 goes "PI KA CHU ... PIKA PIKA"
Just want to clarify, would it be a good idea to become an advanced Link player? I know he is #16 tier, but he is my fav character. Marth is my #2 btw.
Whatsyournumber1404 depends on how far you want to go with the game, my friend loves Link and mains him and trashes my small group of friends (6 of us) but he goes to a weekly tournament at his college with super good players and gets rekt when he plays Link but places top 4 consistently when he plays Falco which is his pocket character (plays Link way more than Falco)
Watch SAUS. Nothing's impossible. Go for it.
MRDCbeats SAUS or Sixx they show how good you can be with charackters likes this when u have the right training
Whatsyournumber1404
MONTREAL HYPE/REP!
We've got the most beast Link out there! ;) SAUS all the way!
What's cool about choosing a "lower-tier" character as a main is that your opponent has to work harder for the win. With less saturation means they're not prepared for the options that you can bring as innovation!
If you really really want to win tournaments and be known as "the guy who wins", then pick another character. But if you really love that character and you are okay with needing to significantly outplay your opponents to win, then go for it. That was me with Dr Mario for a while and I loved it. Do what you want with Melee.
Great video!
Also I like your dialect/accent thing you got :D
I never would realize that you were a dota player lol
WHO IS YOU. WHO IS YOU. Wow. I know, or rather knew, nothing about this game but seeing the clip had me so excited. The amount of reaction time for those inputs and to get a flawless. Wow.
Interesting concept, but while I liked some of the reasons for this stance, I find that it was way too heavy-handed in trying to downplay Brawl/4 making assumptions that they need to play similar to Melee. I'd rather you stayed away from any comparisons to the sequels since they are all different games and play competitively in their own way. Sure the other games are not as fast, or miss out on specific mechanics in Melee; but trying to say they are not as good because they are different is attempting to say LoL is better than Dota2 or HotS. Its all opinion and the only reason you compare them is to bait others into a pointless argument and generate chatter.
Video was great when you discussed Melee objectively on its own merit and not as a comparison point. Hope you keep focusing on that point of view instead of comparing the games, way more interesting.
I suppose. I guess it just felt the video had those way to obvious moments that he was letting his opinion of Melee control what he was saying more than sticking with less bias facts, but I suppose its bound to happen.
Eh, pretty sure I'm not well known as a Smash player actually. Dabbled a good deal with Mr.Escalator moreso in Brawl and only doing fringe things in 4. Might be mistaken identity.
Ian Smith HE even says that Melee has no true sequel. Did you even watch the video? He compares it for the sake of showing people unfamiliar to the series.
I did watch the video, and thats a decent statement, except he keeps returning to comparisons every chance he gets instead of sticking to that point. Besides, you will find it very hard to find anyone who watches his videos to NOT understand these games honestly. Still way too suspect for my taste.
Ian Smith brawl and 4 are like checkers to the chess that is melee. Melee is clearly a much better game
That's opinion easily, I actually find 4 to be more tactical and strategic because it is slower than Melee, giving you more time for planning and reads. Melee comes down to a lot more muscle memory and execution than 4, but you have less time for strategy in the moment. Ultimately these will always be opinions of course, but I find the analogy to Chess/Checkers to be very off point. You'd be better off saying that Timed Chess would be more like Melee and extending the time period in a competitive match of Chess would be 4. Since the vast number of options and choices exist (technically more in 4 though with customs now).
I've been into competitive melee for more than a year and this video is really nice. Upload more melee stuff man!
Long Live Melee
You know, I've always thought of you as a great and entertaining dota player but the fact that you know about the melee competitive scene too, now thats good stuff
Greetings Meowfolks. I know this video is different, and yes, I do watch all these videos for who asks! :)
[MNI]Emil Cat meowoof
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr uhhhhhhhhhh
[MNI]Emil Cat What is going on...?
Great video baumi and now I'm going to start play melee again and good luck at the tournament
Smash 4 has gotten much better as a competitive game as time has gone on. Post Diddy patch and post shield stun patch, the game has grown exponentially in its speed and competitive viability.
The Apex footage was during the reign of Hoo Ha, when the only real option at that point was learning how to beat Diddy Kong's stupidly simple death combos. This often resulted in very campy playstyle as a result. Now the metagame has Sheik at number 1, requiring everyone to be at a level of speed and efficiency beyond anything necessary during the Diddy Kong Era.
The past few majors' Top 8 are plenty of examples of how far that game has come in under a year of metagame development.
+Tselel I agree. Smash 4 is getting better to both watch and play. I have been enjoying it more and more as I get better, but Melee as a community is just so much more enticing, and the games are different enough to make me want to play both. I don't have the same drive to improve at smash 4 as I do at Melee, because the skill ceiling is only so high, and the community togetherness and grassroots feel just isn't there, especially with the introduction to semi-decent online capabilities.
That being said, I look forward to where both games are headed.
+Pabmyster You know, that's like a complete 180 of what I noticed you felt about the game earlier. Really does show how a scene can change drastically when the community gets its head out of its ass.
Ultimate is almost out. Turns out Smash 4 is the worst in the series by now.
@@ori.g4mi Well, this comment just didn't age well as Smash 4 aged.
Amazing video, never even knew about how awesome the community was. To think I've been smashing since the release of the first one on N64, and could have started on SSBM at age 7, but just never realized how much of a big deal it would become and didn't care for it. I'm 21 now and have played casual Brawl and Sm4sh, only recently wanting to play competitive Melee. Planning on buying the game and seeing how far I can go, although of course it's gonna take a long time to find out. I'm honestly saddened at what I may have missed out on by just ignoring Melee for no real reason all those years ago, but I don't know. Maybe I can make up for lost time somehow.
Dude, it's soooo worth it. Develop a group of friends to play with and become better at the game cooperatively. Learning about and applying techniques in this game is incredibly satisfying
leffen is my favorite, plz don't hate me
I never heard of you before, and I don't mean that in a bad way. I don't play DOTA2, SC2, or LoL. But I came across this video recently and loved it. I also watched the one you put out a few days ago about EVO 2015. I just recently got into the melee scene not too long ago, I never played melee until around 2013. I didn't even know there was a second smash game after the amazing Smash 64. But when MLG picked it up in 05-06 I was amazed, I never played the game before but I loved watching it and couldn't believe how fast the game was (even though at the time the game was played slow compared to now). Of course since I never was into the scene, all I have is my PC, but luckily, because of Dolphin, they made a new version of it that is an exact replica of the original melee. Also, you can play with people all around flawlessly, because of this I have been playing a lot recently and really thinking about going to tournaments just for fun. It's crazy how big a 15 year old game can get...
I cringe every time I see hungrybox.
Sounds like a personal problem.
That " im about to fall in love with a game " that a had in your Dark Souls videos is here again ... Those videos that you put your love in are just awesome ...
no comments on Project M? the real sequel of smash bros melee? really good video but project m needs more love and attention!
Mauricio Gallego PM is one of those games thats a dream come true. Its pretty easy to say its much better than Melee because it essentially has everything that makes melee great AND more. But when a lot of Melee players don't like about it is that there are so many damn matchups. For competitive players, learning 40 matchups fucking sucks. Heck, mastering just the top tier matchups in Melee takes a LOTTTT of time.
I love PM but its just too much of an investment. Melee meta is so developed that its offers a lot more for a lot less.
+Mauricio Gallego Project M makes melee fanboys shut up about brawl.
Pm sux bcause of 3.6 if you bring it back to 3.02 i agree, but now pm punishes you for using shine
cavestory77 toxic melee fan what's shine? i haven't played project m yet.
+Arthur Bernardes in case you're being serious; shine is fox, falco's down B. And its in all smash games lmao
Amazing video Baumi, good luck in the tournament
Best game ever made? I love this game but u wot m8?
I would definitely agree more if more characters were viable, just seems silly to have so many characters and a bunch of them be totally obsolete.
a Balanced doesn't equal a better game. A game with an advancing meta makes a better game competitively. I dont usually say any game is the greatest game ever, and even though melee is my favorite game, I won't go out of my way to say it's the best ever
***** Yea but its just my opinion, my favorite characters that I played on the N64 or whatever weren't very good on melee. So whenever I was playing against my friends who would do tournies and stuff it just felt so stale. Same characters always and you would struggle to win with Link vs Fox, (against a good player you would basically never win that lol).
Most of the bad characters in 64 also weren't good in melee (Link, DK, Ness etc)...
But I understand. For someone who doesn't play the game seriously, character loyalty is one of the biggest factors when playing a 1 on 1 match. You want to play with the character you like outside of smash or the character you played as a kid, but fighting game balance is almost impossible, especially without patching afterwards. I play marth and go to tourneys, and while all the the same characters have the same moves as they always do, different people playing them always results in different matches, and one player might play differently from the other, even with the same character. That's what makes the game so dynamic and so free-flowing. While it is true that fox wins the link matchup, it doesn't mean he can't win ever, and any good player who knows how to properly play their character could win against any player at any time. Tier lists only apply to players of equal skill levels
***** Yea, it is kind of a shame they didn't go in the same direction with the next smash bros games after it. They obviously are slowed down and not as twitch based, I would have preferred them to keep the same 'high speed' fighting and simply make more characters viable. But I don't think that was ever their motive, and the fact that they went the opposite way kinda proved that any serious competitive aspects of the game were basically found, constructed and manipulated/abused by really dedicated players instead of being purposely put in there.
***** There are games with far more advanced meta, and better balance to boot.
I am a bigger fan of Brawl and 4 myself, but this video gave me a very good overview on the community behind Melee. Great video, made me blow the dust off my Gamecube!
The cool thing about the meta, is it seemingly decided completely by player skill. Most of the tier list have evolved from the pros abilities in games. That's why it grows and evolves with no patches
wow, thats a great video baumi :) i can nearly feel how much melee means to you, mybe i'm even gonna try it myself, just because i can see how much feelings you and other people put in that game ^^
Hey Baumi thank you for this video, i have watched the smash rothers documentary and i bust eanted to play SSBM after that and you made me feel te same way with this video of yours. But i really dont have anything i can start of to play melee so that sucks but i really enjoy watching it. So im very hyped to watch your stream and have fun in rhat tourney!!!
I come back to this video everytime just so i can listen to just awake by fear and loathing in las vagas with those sick moves mixed in. Better than any amv imo. Great job Baumi :)
For people who don't have a regular scene around that and still want to play melee for fun/ train for tournaments you can go on Anthers Ladder, it's a Netplay website were you can play all the Smash games online
dude...great video. never seen your stuff before and i play competitive smash and loved it. ill check out your other DOTA stuff now.
Wow, good stuff Baumi! I've previously looked at you as solely DotA, glad you are following two of my favorite games.
This is the best content I've seen from you so far. Well done!
I immediately recognized the "IF SMASH WERE ANIME HYPE INTRO 2015" :P
Great video Baumi! very informative and funny aswell, I'm looking forward to more :D
Pretty sure this was my introduction to Melee, a huge thanks Baumi for showing me what is literally one of the greatest game and eSports ever @baumi
Awesome movie Baumie, I love how you are so passionate! And even if people don't like the way you see Smash, they can't deny that this is a great video. Keep up the good work!
[MNI] I don't really smash but I think this is one of your best videos yet!
Basically Melee : the anime, the live action special.
Even while I'm not at all into fighting games and feats of reflexes, I was welded to my chair by the passionate editing. I wish slow games could be that exiting.
melee is so much more complex than actual "fighting games" and the FGC is salty as hell about it. does your fighting game include:
- any notion of physics beyond just having gravity
- knockback and directional influence
- physical momentum as a game mechanic
- multiple ways to move the character (walk, run, dash, moonwalk, wavedash, etc)
- multiple jump heights
- fastfalling
- air dodging
- many ways to cancel lag, some of which are dependent on the level geometry (l-cancel, jump-cancel, double-jump-cancel, shield drop, edge-cancel, pivot, etc, etc)
- hitstun, which changes on the fly
- an actual 2d level instead of a plain old floor and all the gameplay this creates (wall-jump, waveland, edge-cancel, shield-drop, randall, etc)
- differing weights of characters, which is actually reflected in the game physics, and influences how you have to execute vs different characters
- combos based on hitting inputs in small frame windows that constantly change due to the weight of the character you're hitting, where your hitbox hit them, how much hitstun they'll have at their current percentage, your momentum and direction of movement, their momentum and direction of movement, whether they shielded your attack, and if so, whether they're baiting a grab or shine out of shield, whether they can crouch-cancel, etc, etc, etc, etc...vs: executing inputs in small frame windows where those frame windows never change.
- wombo combo
it's a deeper game. get mad about it.
then why the smash community is the one looking for attention? (from the FGC and the creators) at the end of the day they are on their own, other FG communities had their own troubles to give a fuck about other communities. and nintendo doesnt live from smash alone.
Great video Baumi! I'd love to see more smash videos
Falco/Marth won APEX 2015 though, not Marth. In fact, it was more Falco than Marth more than anything. PPMD only stuck with Marth for the Grand Finals because if he used his Falco to counter Armada's Fox, he feared Armada would pull out his Peach to counterpick, thus eventually losing.
Just saying. :) Minor nitpickings aside, this was one of the greatest videos I have ever seen. Phenomenal work, great job!!
This is a beautiful summary of smash. Its like a 25 minute version of the smash documentary
I think this is one of my FAVOURITE RUclips Videos so far...
It is soooo good that I want to play Smash...NOW. And it is so epic...
And now I want to watch SSBM so...
DANKE Baumi for this AWESOME Video ^-^
should have also added that fox/falco require the highest amount of skill and can be punished very hard if they fail technically. this balances out the meta a lot
you could also add that melee has a lot more comeback potential which makes it more exciting than brawl and sm4sh
Josiah P. that's subjective
Josiah P. melee fans
Is the band at 6:50 fear and loathing in las vegas?
The Smash bros documentary got me into watching competitive smash and playing smash online, definitely worth a look to anybody. It's very interesting.
hopefully you will put some of the smash stuff on the channel just in case any of us can't make it to the stream or see it all?
"Yes you play Melee on CRT's, don't question it."
You could make a sequel to the documentary.
Very nice video. Subbed, and Favorited.
IMO melee is the second best smash game...
Why?
It has the second most imbalanced roster in the Smash series only second to Brawl
There is around
2 gods Fox/Falco
7 "viable" characters
Marth Shiek Jigglypuff Ice Climbers Pikachu Peach Captain Falcon
And these are pretty much the only characters your gonna see in tournaments apart from the rare other character.
Either Fox or Falco appear in every match and Melee Fox is the most broken character in the game and would be the most broken character in the entire series if it weren't for Brawls Meta Knight. Melee even has incomplete characters like Game and Watch. Melee has a pretty amazing competitive scene but I'm going to have to give first place to Smash 4.
This comment sucks ^^^
pokemastermat amazing, every word of what you said was wrong
Melee Fox is nothing compared to Brawl Icies and MK, and Sm4sh pre-patch Diddy and ZSS, Cloud, Pre-patch Bayo and Bayo, stop whining
sébastien garrigues retrospective here this comment is ignorant and misinformed. Melee is still my 2nd favorite smash game but this time it’s second to ultimate. Melee is actually very fun and when I made this comment I have never actually played the game. I actually have a lot more respect for the roster as well. Fox and Falco do obviously dominate but it’s not an obvious win like Bayonetta or Meta Knight even if your using a character like Yoshi you still have a chance. Anyways just wanted to clear up what I think of melee now.
@@MatMart nice to hear dude ! have a good time playing Ultimate and Melee
This was a very good video that I both enjoyed and was intrigued by. Just one question, haven't there been 3 sequels it seems to me that you are not aware of the N64 version o the game
Shadow Flux N64 isn't a sequel because it came first.
+ Dave Z O did not know that I just remember playing n64 smash as a kid
9:00 Armada is not meditating, he was forcing the door of the chosen ones to get enter into the zone
Let me just congratulate you Baumi for this is a great video, and i agree with everything you just said, although i play smash very casually with my friends once in a while i admire this game for what it has become.
Awesome Video for an Awesome game.
i need the name of the music used @ 15:20 the video in the discription does not show the name of the song used in this video pls help D:
Please, somebody know the name of the song in the SSBM Perfect Fox clip ? I really dug it. (Pretty Sure is not durade sandstorm btw)
What's the music at 7:00? Sounds like Loathing and fear in Las Vegas
*fear and loathing
+GreatBomb126 I think it is. I just can't pin the song to a name
+GreatBomb126 The song is called Just awake
I have never, ever played in a Melee tournament before. I fucking love this game and it's competitive scene, and I love watching the pros play just as much as I like watching it. Hell, I think I like watching the gods play more than I like actually playing!
This was better than I first thought it would be, I might consider having a go at melee now, it looks pretty good.
What's the song at about 6:30? It's a real banger.
it's called just awake. it's from an anime called hunterxhunter which is a very good anime if you are into that type of ordeal
HELL YEAH! Baumi what are your thoughts on Sm4sh? Ofc Melee is better, but Sm4sh isn't that bad and is flourishing as well. Also Who's your Melee main?
Runner-Up Scout He used to main Falco, but he recently found out in a tourment he has an actually great Fox.
Melee wasnt made to be play like this. Nintendo themselves said it. But like its said in the ''smash brother documentary'', it was nice accident.
After viewing you comparing the both different generations of the series I saw something rather unique in the play style that yes melee gameplays is a more of a style of combos and speed, while Smash 4 seems like a style of reading your opponent out and punish them for mistakes.I do like seeing some team battles there for shits and giggles. I do love to see them at least try something new in the new smash that could be more of a spiritual successor to melee than Brawl was