I really appreciate these reactions. I'm schizotypal and I've recently had people draw comparisons with Dahmer and it's a little hurtful seeing as the condition doesn't make a person commit crimes, and so many people with the illness, including myself, would never even dream of hurting people like that.
If your condition stands true, I doubt you dream at all. And if you have ASDP then you probably (most likely) dont care at all... Thats the whole point.
@@tristan4175 I don't have aspd, but I know the feeling of being demonized, and I can only imagine what it's like with aspd. I'm sorry if had to go through that, best wishes
Which is one of the main reasons why people should watch the show. It makes that a focal point because of how much it is never talked about and hardley known about Jeffery dahmer. This and telling a lot of the story from the victim/victims families view points to me, are the main points of the series as a whole. It never makes you feel sympathy for Jeffery while also not making him seem supernatural. It clearly makes you understand why he chose the people he chose and that was very intentional and not just like random. Also that he was a very horrible person and nothing in his childhood justifies what he did to other humans. It makes sure to never glorify him. It may be the only dramatized show/movie about a serial killer that handles the subject matter very carefully and intentionally so that it's not sensationalized or glorified.
@@Crimson11100 Its not as simple as you think, yes they should have done more but plenty of cops, of any race, would have been just as equally duped. Firemen showed up and multiple neighbors were there and watched the scene go down and none of them thought this was anything other than strange and just some weird drunken, gay lovers quarrel. Jeff was very convincing, and the cops had probably seen a million different instances of drunk lovers causing a scene but had never seen a serial killer's victim with acid in his brain before. It was Friday, in the last few minutes of their shift and they had so much working against them from the start. The entire world hates them and I honestly feel bad for them. I'm not saying they shouldn't have been fired for not investigating enough but I don't think they should be hated forever because of this mistake. Plus the poor boy had acid and boiling water put into his head... He would have either fallen into a vegetative state or died even if they brought him to the hospital that night
@@goldenlass9488 We don't have to take it as gospel but rather as a gateway to experience some of the loss and grief felt by the families, and a motivator to get us look into the reality. The truth is the police failed signally in several respects. Dahmer was on parole during several of his murders. His parole officer never made a home check, not a scheduled one and not a surprise one. Come on.
I saw an interview with a psychologist that was familiar with Dahmer and knew his brother, that said about the debate of nurture vs nature something like "there is a loaded gun that is nature and nurture is essentially what pulled the trigger" in Dahmer's case. And I believe that. There was something there already but the way he was raised was what in fact lead him to commit the crimes. Had he had someone to talk to or to get him help, maybe his path could have been different.
But that’s just like saying I have a normal brain but had a bad home life or I had a bad brain but a loving normal family but what if you have a bad home life and a bad brain neither of those things are your fault so what does that mean your saying then.
@@danhentschelfan that's the question of nature vs nurture. Trying to understand why people like Dahmer or Bundy or Gein did the things that they did and had they had different circumstances could their paths be better or would it have been the same.
The scenes with Tony, his friends and family were beautiful. If the real person was anything like the Tony in the series, he was a lovely person. Also, I think this particular case upsets me the most because it probably could've been prevented if Jeffrey received help early in life, all those people might be alive and all those families including Jeffrey's wouldn't have to go through all that.
@@Herr.P I have doubts too but if he had talked to someone about his urges, like he said he tried with his Dad then he might've been institutionalised and would've recieved some help.
For multiple personal reasons, I can’t bring myself to watch this show and certainly not this episode. But even the first few minutes of your commentary shows you to be a super empathetic and emotionally intelligent person, I can see why you went into psychiatry! I’m subscribing for sure!
My wife and I had our first child back in April and for the most part I haven’t experienced a lot of the heightened sensitivity that I was always told accompanies parenthood, but the dynamic of Lionel and Jeff really blindsided me. Despite everything Jeff had done all I could see was my own son. Luckily society hasn’t insulated me from developing emotional intelligence and parenting skills as much as it did for men of Lionel’s generation, but I still feel the weight of being so responsible for a human beings development.
I think you should watch and react to the interview with Dahmer, I feel like it would be more realistic and interesting than a show (which is a good show, but only a show)
I would have liked if Lionel had allowed the scientists to study Jeffrey's brain even though it's very difficult to predict and prevent a person to become violent and murderous.
I was in my early 20s, indian, small and gay in the 90s and I hated gays from the bottom of my heart because of how I got treated back then. I got depressed and anxious and violent... Luckily I found the right people and professional treatment to help my cope with the outside world... I'm kinda happy now and self conscious and aware in a good way. And I don't despise the gays anymore... I even got some gays BBF's. :)
Thank you for giving me clarity on the looming question I had about a Jury deeming someone insane vs an expert. Makes total sense now, thank you! I was only a few towns away from the news of Dahmer and this series brought up feelings I forgot I had and never knew I had. My dad even worked at the same chocolate factory, Ambrosia, but he worked there after Dahmer was fired. Then I realized the victim, Tony, was my neighbors student and all of the sudden things make sense about her personality shift back when the news broke. Thank you for this breakdown.
Oh wow. I'm not on episode 6 yet. I'm blown away by Evan Peters' performance and the show in general, but I'm not sure I'll be able to handle episode 6. I've already started crying, just from the excerpts. Merci & Cheers from Canada.
Ooo I'm happy to catch the second half so soon. It's wonderful that the two videos roll into each other so well. The personification of intersectionality. Oof I felt that 💔💙
"I mean, Risperidone is usually more effective." That one gave me a full throated belly laugh, right there. So glad you pointed out that ending up in hospital over prison is not like vacationing in Cabo. The actress that you commented on how great she is, that's Nicey Nash-Betts (first name in phonetics because I never learned IPA is niece E). I was SHOOK when I first started seeing clips of her in this, because while I know she's done non-comedic work she is an absolutely brilliant comedian. But this? This is next level. And I haven't even watched the thing yet. I've just seen snippets. It feels unbelievable how much our lexicon has changed since the 90s. I hadn't realized that I hadn't heard "gay-bashing" in forever until you mentioned it. Incredibly glad to have found your channel! Going to see what I've missed so far.
This dramatisation of Dahmer's life is currently the best (while some key details and people involved have been changed to give it more of a Hollywood heroes journey) outside of the actual interviews, testimonials and the court case the most accurate.
I've really enjoyed your analyses of this series, so, thank you! I wanted to ask if you'd ever thought about doing a "Day in the Life of a Forensic Psychiatrist" type video? I'd be really intrigued to hear about a "typical" day at work for you.
Appreciate your honesty on some of the shortcomings in psychiatry and the lack of research. Would love your opinion on the DSM5 scandal involving NDA's signed by the authors who had financial conflict of interst as well as a the body of research that compares DSM 3 4 and 5 which consistantly keeps finding that the DSM 5 keeps over diagnosing people and how that playsout with the background of financial COI!
I personally would like to avoid a Heath Ledger repeat, so EVERYBODY who watched this series needs to show Evan Peters lots of love right now. Roles like this are taxing to play, and he was in a very dark world.
I agree with the sentiment about dark roles being taxing, but I’m not a fan of the myth that Heath died because of his role in the dark knight. He said it was the most fun he’s ever had playing a character, thoroughly enjoyed filming and he was so proud of it. His death was related to his ongoing insomnia and I think back problems. Utterly tragic. (Sorry for singling you out, this is just something that I hear from a lot of people and it bothers me.) Having said that, I really do hope Evan is taking care of himself after this series.
I mean the season of AHS where he played em all was crazy and I think I saw an interview where he took a break from the next season because how they registered
There is an interview with Jeffrey Dahmer and his father when Dahmer was in prison on RUclips. Would be great to see an analysis of this too. Thankyou.
Out of serial killers out there, I feel the most for Jeffrey because I assume if he had received the right help, everything could've been prevented. There would be no murder, hence saving all the victims. There would be no tragedy. The part about how he was different from John Wayne Gacy (and other killers) is heartbreaking, like he wasn't a lost cause if only there was a chance, but it was too late.
well he's certainly self-aware, and has been scolded and ostracized enough to realize that he has to hide it. but the thing with lust-motivated killers is that their compulsions are more uncontrollable and more persistent than any other type, satisfy those urges even once with a small animal, and you're already 80% fricked. he was on a downward spiral from the moment he got off on killing small animals, no amount of friends or loving adults could reverse that, unfortunately.
@@opiuchi864 He didn't get off on killing or torturing animals- he was attracted to organs and stuff. He never tortured or killed an animal for sadistic reasons, he didn't even enjoy killing his victims, in fact, he did everything to not make them suffer through the process.
Thanks for explaining from a psychiatric point of view. Please make more of these type of videos and it would be nice if you could do a review sometime on the older Netflix series called "Mindhunter".
You addressed one thing that many people don't realize, and it's even misrepresented in fiction: Being found "not guilty by reason of insanity" isn't a get out of jail free card. In some cases a person will spend more time in a mental facility than they could have been sentenced to in a correctional facility. While that obviously wouldn't have been the case for Dahmer, it's worth repeating.
Watching this series left me in a deep, emotional funk, a dank brown sinkhole of ickiness. (which I think is an entirely appropriate reaction to the show.) Then I saw that you had a reaction video to an episode of "Ratched", which gave me the idea to rewatch a few episodes of that show right after. It turns out that the gaudy, campy ridiculousness of "Ratched" is the perfect antidote to the ugliness of "Dahmer". Thanks for the recco, Doc!
Funnily enough I also watched Ratched after finishing Dahmer! I had never actually finished the show so I restarted it and it definitely did help relieve that icky feeling.
When I was in my early 20's, I remember going to Wildwood, NJ for a holiday weekend. I got water in both of my ears at the very beginning of the trip. Back then, there were no "urgent care" facilities, and I my pride wasn't about to allow me to go to an emergency room. Hence, I dealt with the lack of hearing for the entire weekend. It was absolutely one of the worst experiences of my life. The inability to listen to conversations and communicate with people left me feeling like a loner, and because I couldn't contribute to the "party," I avoided interaction with anyone. It was hellish. Now, I am in no way saying I experienced what it's like to be deaf. On the contrary, I know that I only experienced a sliver of what deafness can do to a person.. The episode "Silenced" was beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time.
Yea my Dad is deaf, it was slow and he still has some hearing but he also has constant tinnitus. Anytime I had tinnitus or couldn’t hear it just hit hard how he must feel all of the time. I watched a very social person just slowly fade out of conversations and family events. You have an experience that makes you even more sympathetic, empathetic and compassionate towards people who suffer what you did on a larger scale and that’s a beautiful thing.
As someone with diagnosed mental illness - CPTSD, Anxiety, Depression, and what I like to call 'selective anti-sociality', meaning that, while I have not been diagnosed with ASPD, I do not have any particular desire for human connection and no trouble whatsoever turning my conscience on and off as the situation requires, owing to the social isolation, abuse, and neglect that came as a result of being born with major birth defects - spina bifida - and the sexual abuse (rape) that I suffered from the ages of 6 to 12 - I sympathize with those who get upset when people draw a connection between their illness and violence. Demonization can be frustrating. On the other hand, as someone who has committed my share of violence, in part because of my inability to "appropriately" cope with my childhood circumstances, traumas, and subsequent mental illnesses, I cringe at their cringe and their demonization of those whose traumas and illness do lead them to commit violence. I am not promoting violence at all. Nor am I renouncing accountability. I have certainly been punished, taken accountability, and made amends for my past violence. I am saying that, while mental illness does not predict violence, it does not preclude it either. I am saying that the roads to extreme violence are many and the combination of isolation, abuse, and mental illness can be one of them. I am saying that even 'the worst' among us are not monsters, but human beings and even they deserve a measure of compassion - not to be confused with collusion or condoning - that they seem incapable of showing others. Note: I am not here to argue. I am here to share my experiences and will not abide bullshit. Thank you.
It took me a hot minute to get through that show, especially the episode with Tony. I thought those moments with him (the character) were really really good, but equally absolutely heartbreaking. I loved hearing your thoughts especially on a show like this that can be very exploitative on the victims. The English court fascinates me, especially as it is so different to how it is done here in the USA. Thank you for breaking how the hospitals vs prisons work. I would love to see a video on the different programs that are offered in the UK or how that all works. I also just have to say Evan Peters & Niecy Nash-Betts both did an incredibly hard job and did it very well.
i appreciate you doing another response video! idk if it’s possible to fix these things after you’ve posted the video but the audio levels make this kind of hard to listen to (at least for me) b/c the shows clips require me to turn the volume all the way up to hear, your commentary is much louder, & then the adds are much louder than your commentary. my speakers nearly blew out when i got an ad cause it came in the middle of a clip 😂
Just found your channel and really loving your analysis of popular depictions of mental health matters and LGBTQ+ issues. Just wondering if you have got in to Ozark and, in particular, Season 3 which features a running story involving "Ben" a lead character's brother who has bipolar disorder and the challenges he (and all around him) face as he chooses to come off his meds and the resulting deterioration in his mental health. Addresses a huge number of challenges these scenarios can result in albeit in the somewhat heightened setting of the world of organised crime 😊A brilliant and very insightful performance by Tom Pelphrey as "Ben" in my opinion.
*SPOILER ALERT* At the end, after Jeffery's death it seemed oddly uncharacteristic that it was the analytical, scientist father (who was always searching for the "why") that was the one parent who did not want Jeff's brain studied vs the mother who was more... Erm.. "woo woo" however it was she, who wanted their sons brain studied. Seemed more like SHE would have sought answers from a medium or tarot reading. I really didn't understand why, in the end Mom had sought science for an explanation and Dad had unequivocally refused. Just an observation 💜
True. Lionel was a Scientist and chemist in his own right. I guess the answer I arrive at, is that, her just this quiet, seemingly hard working (likely distant) father. Regardless of what happened it was still he's son....And I guess he just couldn't allow it to happen. Couldn't bare he's son being experimented on. (Whether deserved or not) Just a fucked situation. There were Zero winners here. All round.
I like your responses to toxic REACTIONS to trauma rather than antagonizing people experiencing trauma. It's really sick how we're taught in this world NOT TO FEEL our emotions and to think we're broken if we struggle after trauma, rather than realizing that negative emotions are a natural response to trauma.
You might find it interesting that in the US, not every state allows for an insanity defense. Most do and follow very similar guidelines to the ones you mentioned in the UK. For those states that don't accept an insanity defense, you are held in a psychiatric hospital until you are declared competent enough to stand trial. Which may be in a few years, a decade, or you may spend the rest of your life in the psychiatric hospital. There's usually a competency hearing that takes place to determine if you qualify or not.
I'd like to mention the series is very evenly shot, gripping till the end, and did not spare any of those accountable in one way or another. For me the show went above and beyond all expectations. There were so many set-ups, actors, and different years portrayed that it would have been a very expensive series to produce. I have enjoyed hearing Dr. Elliot discuss many of the important clinical mental health aspects presented in the show.
I really like the insights you bring to shows like Dahmer. It's too scary for me to watch and yet I need to know what happens throughout all of this series. Also interesting to learn that insanity is a legal term. And glad they didn't study Jeff's brain because humans can end up seeking patterns that're never there
it's not scary, highly insightful for the family and just how bad the police were/ failed at the time ( racist, homeopathic, etc.. John Wayne Gacy the police did the same thing... said missing boyd were runaway)
The gentamicin thing messed with me. When my son was born they gave him gentamicin because they thought he was septic. They told me that hearing loss was a possible side effect, so I spent about 3 months trying to get his attention through sound.
Interesting what you said about deafness at the beginning, specially considering the topics of nerodiveristy that have been brought up in this video series - my parents thought i might be deaf, as i didnt make eye contact when they called out to me, but luckily a doctor who specialized in autism in children walked my hospital room (i was a very sick kid lol) in and was like 'yeah, i would get them tested for autism instead.' and that's how I got diagnosed at two with autism, if that bloke hadnt said something it probably would have taken much longer.
I'm autistic and I would like to point out how little the knowledge our brains are shaped differently has affected our treatment. I probably have a shorter brain stem or whatever, maybe that's why I have screaming panic attacks from loud noises. But that knowledge doesn't help me not have panic attacks. So sure, study brains, but don't expect it to have much effect on treating mental illness or psychological conditions.
This was a comment I was working on for the last video, I didn’t think you’d get back to it this quickly! If you could, could you please make a follow up on this? Or comment please: I find it interesting how you label him a psychopath… can you please explain why in your next video on this? I’ve heard him referenced as a sociopath. I think one of the reasons was due to the emotional nature of his crimes, and how he wasn’t the best at hiding evidence (he was just able to take advantage of the culture at the time and people’s homophobia/racism). *I was also REALLY hoping you’d react to this episode! Yay! It’s so deep “Silenced”
Wanted to comment on the hearing loss thing before I finish watching the video. Lack of hearing isn't the problem. Lack of LANGUAGE is. Signed languages do the exact same thing in the brain as spoken ones, no hearing required.
I remember there being a lot of backlash about this as some complained and were concerned that too many were glorifying serial killers and sort of this morbid attachment to these depictions. I agree that it's VERY important to have these conversations about mental illnesses, especially when they lead to such extremes and why they may be happening but one does not necessarily need to watch a movie/series about it to understand it. Although, some do learn better by visuals. I also remember the actor who played Dahmer saying how daunting, stressful and terrible it was for him to portray this character and seemed like he maybe regretted it.
She was a great actress in the show I'm glad you said something about that the PTSD in the trauma bonding the bonding because of the trauma the entire building went through that neighborhood went through, then she feels guilty that's all part of the process of trying to heal I have PTSD and people just don't understand they think get over it get on with life you can't just get over it especially whenever you have night terrors that go with it. I did like this episode very much humanized the victims very much so thank you for your Insight
By the way, speaking of the question of whether those with ASPD and high psychopathy benefit from talk psychotherapy or if it can be harmful in simply empowering them further to hurt others was a really, really core theme in The Sopranos, particularly in the first and final seasons. I’d really love to see you do a reaction video for that show someday. It also has a lot of episodes dealing with various other psychiatric topics- panic attacks, the effects of parental abuse, transference, psychiatrists who do talk therapy having their own therapists, sexual assault, trauma, etc. It is, however, a show that centres on a very rigid, very violent, very exploitative, very homophobic, very racist, very transphobic, and very sexist sub-culture with a *lot* of stuff going on with toxic masculinity, enforcement of normative gender roles, enforcement of racial and ethnic segregation, etc, which can make it a tough watch sometimes. The characters are not very good people.
Come to think of it, given your specific specialization in forensic psychiatry, you should DEEEEEEFINITELY do some Sopranos videos, since psychiatric treatment of criminals and the kinds of psychological issues involved in criminal and anti-social behaviour and faced by the kinds of people who habitually break the law is absolutely central to the entire show’s premise.
Hi, do you think its possible for me to develop PTSD from abuse of my father? I mean Ive been living away for years now but sometimes Im haunted by nightmares Im back in our house. And whenever my mom invites me to visit back home, I have this avoidant feeling that Id rather not go but will force myself to see them. And when Im in the house I keep thinking of leaving as soon as possible despite he does not hurt me anymore, verbally or physically. And when he drinks, I think hes alcoholic, though he distant himself from me Im on edge and my nerves are all alert. 🤧 sometimes I just want to go home and feel at home but honestly I cannot. I am guilty of even thinking of leaving even before I arrive at home. I think I have father issues. Im easily intimidated and avoidant of male and fatherly figures. I dont know how to overcome this
@@SjofnBM1989 thanks :( I think it has affected my life negatively. Im socially avoidant and I have low self esteem. I want to try new things but I know Ill will never make it happen. I dont want to blame them for what I have become. Im an adult now. But I dont know where to get even just a confidence.
This was great and extremely insightful. Have you heard of the show, The Patient, it would be a GREAT one to react to. I would love to hear your thoughts on it!
as always, I really like your rewiews. The legal aspects you explained here were very interesting. And make one realize how complex the matter is. I wonder what would be the criteria to allow your legal majority to be delayed due to mental illness? (of course it would be different from country to country) The thing is I was in that situation when I was 17 (maturity 18 in my country), where with (mostly) eating disorders my mother tricked me into a closed unit (I understand it today. My weight loss was out of control). Of course I was not happy about it and was adamant I would have to endure the horror of being there until I got mature and would dismiss myself. My psychiatrist threatened me then to delay may maturity for some years. I still don't know if they could really have done this to me, or how easily, but (from their perspecitive) it worked, weightwise. But therapy-wise, made it only worse, since I knew I could not trust anyone, always fearing they would use it against me. It was too risky to speak out potentially self-incriminating thoughts, so I kept a lot for myself. I was absolutely horrified and "behaved" the absolute necessary, only to be more depressed and alone after my release (which my mother was fine with after a certain time because holidays were over and she did not want me to miss to much of shool), anxiously watching not to loose to much wight again and with constant threats. Anyway, I was allowed my legal majority at 18 years old, but until today (and your video just completely reminded me of it) I really wonder if my case would have justified such a harsh decision.
So when you talk about the link between aggression and the MAO gene, is there a similarity between that and using MAOI drugs to treat depression (and irritability/anger being a symptom of depression)?
If one cannot become a formidable force, then by virtue, he is weak. And weakness is not a virtue. With that being said, one must know what he can do, and control his actions...
People who don’t understand emotional dysregulation and think you’re just being a tantrum baby are so frustrating. Especially when using strategies to calm yourself, avoidance, child like behaviours etc. and they mock you or will come into your ‘safe space’ to confront you.
I don't think Jeff had ASP, he drugged his victims to feel no pain, and he drank to cope with what he was doing, and he didn't try very hard not to get caught and when he was he said he should be dead for what he did, I believe he had remorse but his compulsion was too strong.
I don't think having the understanding that what he was doing was wrong equates to him feeling guilt. I don't think he felt bad at all I think he just knew that the death penalty is what happened to serial killers.
It was still a *criminal* compulsion and he didn’t have enough remorse or guilt to ask to be put in a mental hospital (they were still doing that back in those days) or to be watched or kept away from public. If you are trying to insinuate (and I am not 100% claiming that you are) he was simply a good guy with a compulsion, you are so wrong. Regardless of whatever guilt he may have felt or “attempts” he may have made to lessen pain, he made the decision that fulfilling his sick compulsion was more important than the value of another human being’s life.
I hope you can answer my question..I wonder if Dahmer wanting to die is caused by some sort of guilt? Or do you think it's caused by the knowledge of losing his freedom and not being able to carry out his urges?? I hope I discribed it well, English is kot my first language.
There are times in the US that criminals will stay in a psychiatric hospital until they are well enough to go to prison. The insanity plea gets way over used here.
Thank you for analyzing. There is a self aware Narcisstic Psychopath with a RUclips channel. His name is HG Tudor The Ultra. He explaines about Narcissm and ASPD on his channel. Very interessting. You get a lot of answers there.
The daughter of the BTK says she has PTSD but how when she didn't think he did it and said she had a great childhood? How does she suddenly have PTSD as a 35 year old woman have a non traumatic PTSD? It makes me not believe this spectrum of PTSD
@@Nish1988 Thank God someone else understands this because no one else I've spoken to does. Just like, if she has PTSD, everyone over 16 has PTSD. Every single person has PTSD.
@@Metonymy1979Kerri's PTSD came from the police investigation, which uncovered among other things that her dad used to practice bondage on her when she was a toddler. She didn't have a great childhood, BTK's family said he wasn't abusive at first, but the investigation eventually found that he was. It's sad that the myth that BTK was not a POS in his personal life still persists.
My friend and I watched all the court case footage and the interview where he (and the dad!?) are in green outfits. I empathised with the Borderline Personality Disorder aspects of the case. I have it plus empathy is not a crime. My friend noticed his stiff gait and potential Aspergers. He seemed very childlike too. A tragic complex case all round.
I did read the interview with Jeffrey Dahmer's mum, in which she was claiming that he never intended to hurt anyone. I don't know how I'm feeling about that statement, even if I can understand why she would be the one holding onto that image of her son.
I dont agree at all with the narcissistic diagnosis in jeffrey. I saw the whole serie and never saw any sign in him enjoying and seeking attention from people. His reaction in the last episodes to the magazine and the fan letters are actually genuine curiosity of him to someone *finally* giving attention to him, but not because he has an exaggerated unhealthy need for attention and cant live without it, but because since he was a kid, no one ever given him attention, and Im talking about normal human attention that you normally give to someone, not even his parents gave him the attention and care that children need, they always left him by himself to take care of things and this contributed to his feeling of loneliness and abandonment, so you cant help but blame him when someone, anyone, for once shows attention and care for him and he wants to keep the magazine or when he is genuinely happy that someone is writing to him, that is not a narcissistic trait, it's the simple human need to feel seen and appreciate and loved by someone, and not just ignored and put aside by everyone. For the wrong reasons, sure, but still enough for jeffrey that never had any of that in his whole life.
The slightly chubby policeman in dahmer monster would be ideal to play bobby Joe long he's a dead ringer for the guy couldn't think who he reminded me of until I thought oh yh that other serial killer..
I find this all interesting info as i find it so intriguing for a human to exist like that. It also makes me think- i should get a diagnosis done on me to understand my behaviour and why i liked a guy who has narcissistic traits and mental instability too. I wonder! 🧐🧐
I am really enjoying your videos. I found them by accident. I like the way you break things down. However I am curious, what is your opinion on if Dahmer brain should have been studied? I kinda wished they had, just to see what they would discovered. If anything. Also what is your opinion if he possibly inherited this from his dad?
It's less about individual cases and more about how do we change the culture of facilitating research into prison health and forensic medicine. An n=1 of any state of mind or health condition is unlikely to change the world but high profile cases can be an impetus for cultural change
@@DoctorElliottCarthy true. I guess I'm just curious to see what they would.have found if they had the chance to study his brain, to see why he was the way he was. I hope its a healthy curiosity.
I wouldn't say medications are the last resort. Surely physical restraint is the last resort? A weak sedative like diazepam surely is kinder than physically restraining someone.
I'm sorry but the intensive isolating means any interactive experience is rewarding. This is the thing don't distance you're selves from this. You do this just not in a socially responsible manner but because the destruction makes him feel good
@@Creepystalker102 We definitely can't know for sure, but I believe that part was only added in the series and didn't actually happen in real life. I read somewhere that the one who claimed Jeffrey did all that stuff in prison was Christopher Scarver, the man who eventually murdered him, and that psychologists who actually studied Jeffrey refused to believe it because it seemed so out of character for what they knew of him. It could have been one of Scarver's delusions, since we know he was also quite mentally unstable and had a hard time differentiating fantasy from reality. Judging from all the footage I've seen of Jeffrey himself, I too find it hard to believe he would behave in such a way. But again, can't know for sure.
Unrelated but I study English Language and Literature and yours is a - phonetically speaking - perfect Received Pronunciation accent, hahaha. My phonetics and phonology professor would love you hahahahaha
My sister has ASPD and I went no contact 5 years ago. I tried reading The Sociopath Next Door to get more insight and after I read the whole book it literally just says avoid them if you can 🤦🏻♀️ I've found several doctor's channels on narcissism and those have been very helpful. I really wish I had known about these traits sooner and not wasted years of my energy, resources, and peace of mind on someone who wasn't just selfish but incapable of empathy and remorse. The frustration and the anger directed at myself for allowing the mistreatment has taken a long time to process and I've struggled to contruct healthy boundaries and to be aware of my codependent tendencies. The resources and knowledge available to younger people is invaluable. I wish I'd known this stuff decades ago. It would've saved me a lot of time and heartache.
I think that Dahmer is more of a sociopath. I’ve been studying his case since last October because I’m really interested in psychology as well. I’ve seen every interview that I could, and tried to analyse his body language and everything. I’m rly interested in it bc I’m mentally ill myself. I think that he’s a really interesting person, and I want to suggest you a video of Dr Eric Hickey. He basically explains everything that I’m thinking. (since I have trouble with my wording and with explaining stuff) He knew the Dahmer family as well and I would love to hear your reaction to this video. So i guess this is a video suggestion lol. I would appreciate it if you would make a reaction video to Dr Hickeys video. I really love your content and I really hope you’ll see this :)
Because the legal definition of insanity is NOT "is the person mentally unwell," it's "could they understand that what they did was wrong when they did it?" Jeff tried to hide his crimes, he knew it was wrong, so he is not LEGALLY insane
Can lobotomizing or insulin shock or electric shocking or force drugging people make u a psycopath. Psychiatry has always been and still is a crime against humanity.
What exactly is voyeuristic? Doesn't most who watch videos such as these find them exciting? Learning about the subject of serial killers isn't often associated with wanting to be part of law enforcement, nor any other vocation. It's usually simple interest in horrible subject matter. Now I'm starting to wonder if movies like Silence of the Lambs are horror and not just thriller, as I always argue. I'm a horror fanatic. I love horror movies. But I don't consider Silence of the Lambs as horror because it has different content and context to the horror genre. Or does it? I'm starting to wonder my own motivations towards this.
I really appreciate these reactions. I'm schizotypal and I've recently had people draw comparisons with Dahmer and it's a little hurtful seeing as the condition doesn't make a person commit crimes, and so many people with the illness, including myself, would never even dream of hurting people like that.
I'm so sorry people would think that of you, let alone have the gall to say it.
If your condition stands true, I doubt you dream at all. And if you have ASDP then you probably (most likely) dont care at all... Thats the whole point.
@@thefifthaceassociation I dream plenty bro lmao wth????
@@tristan4175 I don't have aspd, but I know the feeling of being demonized, and I can only imagine what it's like with aspd. I'm sorry if had to go through that, best wishes
@@omegafilming It's alright haha, just a bit jarring sometimes. Thank you
I remember hearing about Jeffrey Dahmer I was 22 then, had no idea how bad the police failed to protect these young men. It’s a disgrace
Which is one of the main reasons why people should watch the show. It makes that a focal point because of how much it is never talked about and hardley known about Jeffery dahmer. This and telling a lot of the story from the victim/victims families view points to me, are the main points of the series as a whole. It never makes you feel sympathy for Jeffery while also not making him seem supernatural. It clearly makes you understand why he chose the people he chose and that was very intentional and not just like random. Also that he was a very horrible person and nothing in his childhood justifies what he did to other humans. It makes sure to never glorify him. It may be the only dramatized show/movie about a serial killer that handles the subject matter very carefully and intentionally so that it's not sensationalized or glorified.
and nothing happened to those officers. They got fired, but then reinstated with backpay. 😠
@@Crimson11100 Its not as simple as you think, yes they should have done more but plenty of cops, of any race, would have been just as equally duped. Firemen showed up and multiple neighbors were there and watched the scene go down and none of them thought this was anything other than strange and just some weird drunken, gay lovers quarrel. Jeff was very convincing, and the cops had probably seen a million different instances of drunk lovers causing a scene but had never seen a serial killer's victim with acid in his brain before. It was Friday, in the last few minutes of their shift and they had so much working against them from the start. The entire world hates them and I honestly feel bad for them. I'm not saying they shouldn't have been fired for not investigating enough but I don't think they should be hated forever because of this mistake. Plus the poor boy had acid and boiling water put into his head... He would have either fallen into a vegetative state or died even if they brought him to the hospital that night
@@OAwesomeO Hindsight is 20:20! And people should not be taking the Netflix drama-which contains fictional elements-as gospel!🙄
@@goldenlass9488 We don't have to take it as gospel but rather as a gateway to experience some of the loss and grief felt by the families, and a motivator to get us look into the reality. The truth is the police failed signally in several respects. Dahmer was on parole during several of his murders. His parole officer never made a home check, not a scheduled one and not a surprise one. Come on.
I saw an interview with a psychologist that was familiar with Dahmer and knew his brother, that said about the debate of nurture vs nature something like "there is a loaded gun that is nature and nurture is essentially what pulled the trigger" in Dahmer's case. And I believe that. There was something there already but the way he was raised was what in fact lead him to commit the crimes. Had he had someone to talk to or to get him help, maybe his path could have been different.
But that’s just like saying I have a normal brain but had a bad home life or I had a bad brain but a loving normal family but what if you have a bad home life and a bad brain neither of those things are your fault so what does that mean your saying then.
@@danhentschelfan that's the question of nature vs nurture. Trying to understand why people like Dahmer or Bundy or Gein did the things that they did and had they had different circumstances could their paths be better or would it have been the same.
that quote is so good though, i personally believe it can explain almost every crime
i completely agree. most people think it’s either nature or nurture, but i think sometimes it’s both.
The scenes with Tony, his friends and family were beautiful. If the real person was anything like the Tony in the series, he was a lovely person.
Also, I think this particular case upsets me the most because it probably could've been prevented if Jeffrey received help early in life, all those people might be alive and all those families including Jeffrey's wouldn't have to go through all that.
I'm sorry to break it to you but there is no help for people like Dahmer.
@@Herr.P you can’t know that
@@Herr.P I have doubts too but if he had talked to someone about his urges, like he said he tried with his Dad then he might've been institutionalised and would've recieved some help.
@@Herr.P that's just what you want to think.
I agree, maybe if he would’ve gotten it when he was younger before it evolved into all of the horrific things he did
For multiple personal reasons, I can’t bring myself to watch this show and certainly not this episode. But even the first few minutes of your commentary shows you to be a super empathetic and emotionally intelligent person, I can see why you went into psychiatry! I’m subscribing for sure!
The documentaries are actually better but they are more gruesome.
This episode was definitely a hard watch. I have a lot of deaf and gay friends so this one hit really close to home for me
Well fyi it’s not that scary but ik you have proper reasons besides that for not watching
My wife and I had our first child back in April and for the most part I haven’t experienced a lot of the heightened sensitivity that I was always told accompanies parenthood, but the dynamic of Lionel and Jeff really blindsided me. Despite everything Jeff had done all I could see was my own son. Luckily society hasn’t insulated me from developing emotional intelligence and parenting skills as much as it did for men of Lionel’s generation, but I still feel the weight of being so responsible for a human beings development.
The world needs more men like you.
I think you should watch and react to the interview with Dahmer, I feel like it would be more realistic and interesting than a show (which is a good show, but only a show)
I would have liked if Lionel had allowed the scientists to study Jeffrey's brain even though it's very difficult to predict and prevent a person to become violent and murderous.
Lionel pretty much did whatever would suit his needs. It got to the point where he made himself a victim on every turn. He was a narcissist too.
I was in my early 20s, indian, small and gay in the 90s and I hated gays from the bottom of my heart because of how I got treated back then. I got depressed and anxious and violent... Luckily I found the right people and professional treatment to help my cope with the outside world... I'm kinda happy now and self conscious and aware in a good way. And I don't despise the gays anymore... I even got some gays BBF's. :)
I am happy for you! ❤
A story to give us all hope! I'm glad.
Thank you for giving me clarity on the looming question I had about a Jury deeming someone insane vs an expert. Makes total sense now, thank you! I was only a few towns away from the news of Dahmer and this series brought up feelings I forgot I had and never knew I had. My dad even worked at the same chocolate factory, Ambrosia, but he worked there after Dahmer was fired. Then I realized the victim, Tony, was my neighbors student and all of the sudden things make sense about her personality shift back when the news broke. Thank you for this breakdown.
Oh wow. I'm not on episode 6 yet. I'm blown away by Evan Peters' performance and the show in general, but I'm not sure I'll be able to handle episode 6. I've already started crying, just from the excerpts. Merci & Cheers from Canada.
Ooo I'm happy to catch the second half so soon. It's wonderful that the two videos roll into each other so well.
The personification of intersectionality. Oof I felt that 💔💙
I appreciated this reaction/review very much. Informative and compassionate, but not letting Dahmer off the hook.
"I mean, Risperidone is usually more effective."
That one gave me a full throated belly laugh, right there.
So glad you pointed out that ending up in hospital over prison is not like vacationing in Cabo.
The actress that you commented on how great she is, that's Nicey Nash-Betts (first name in phonetics because I never learned IPA is niece E). I was SHOOK when I first started seeing clips of her in this, because while I know she's done non-comedic work she is an absolutely brilliant comedian.
But this? This is next level. And I haven't even watched the thing yet. I've just seen snippets.
It feels unbelievable how much our lexicon has changed since the 90s. I hadn't realized that I hadn't heard "gay-bashing" in forever until you mentioned it.
Incredibly glad to have found your channel! Going to see what I've missed so far.
This dramatisation of Dahmer's life is currently the best (while some key details and people involved have been changed to give it more of a Hollywood heroes journey) outside of the actual interviews, testimonials and the court case the most accurate.
I've really enjoyed your analyses of this series, so, thank you! I wanted to ask if you'd ever thought about doing a "Day in the Life of a Forensic Psychiatrist" type video? I'd be really intrigued to hear about a "typical" day at work for you.
Appreciate your honesty on some of the shortcomings in psychiatry and the lack of research. Would love your opinion on the DSM5 scandal involving NDA's signed by the authors who had financial conflict of interst as well as a the body of research that compares DSM 3 4 and 5 which consistantly keeps finding that the DSM 5 keeps over diagnosing people and how that playsout with the background of financial COI!
I personally would like to avoid a Heath Ledger repeat, so EVERYBODY who watched this series needs to show Evan Peters lots of love right now. Roles like this are taxing to play, and he was in a very dark world.
I agree with the sentiment about dark roles being taxing, but I’m not a fan of the myth that Heath died because of his role in the dark knight. He said it was the most fun he’s ever had playing a character, thoroughly enjoyed filming and he was so proud of it. His death was related to his ongoing insomnia and I think back problems. Utterly tragic. (Sorry for singling you out, this is just something that I hear from a lot of people and it bothers me.) Having said that, I really do hope Evan is taking care of himself after this series.
@@CharlieMasonFilms not at all, thank you for clarifying.
I mean the season of AHS where he played em all was crazy and I think I saw an interview where he took a break from the next season because how they registered
It was a show stop being so sensitive he’s only pretending to be bad
@@Celestialnighthawk we got a real analytical mind over here
Just goes to show that the performances and writing in this show are above the charts for this episode of your show to exist.
As someone who has both autism and STPD, I really appreciate you standing up for us!
There is an interview with Jeffrey Dahmer and his father when Dahmer was in prison on RUclips. Would be great to see an analysis of this too. Thankyou.
Out of serial killers out there, I feel the most for Jeffrey because I assume if he had received the right help, everything could've been prevented. There would be no murder, hence saving all the victims. There would be no tragedy. The part about how he was different from John Wayne Gacy (and other killers) is heartbreaking, like he wasn't a lost cause if only there was a chance, but it was too late.
Right! He was capable of empathy and remorse. He was very troubled by his compulsions, which he fought on his own for years.
well he's certainly self-aware, and has been scolded and ostracized enough to realize that he has to hide it. but the thing with lust-motivated killers is that their compulsions are more uncontrollable and more persistent than any other type, satisfy those urges even once with a small animal, and you're already 80% fricked. he was on a downward spiral from the moment he got off on killing small animals, no amount of friends or loving adults could reverse that, unfortunately.
@@opiuchi864 He didn't get off on killing or torturing animals- he was attracted to organs and stuff. He never tortured or killed an animal for sadistic reasons, he didn't even enjoy killing his victims, in fact, he did everything to not make them suffer through the process.
I agree with you 🙏🏻
Glad that you explained the definition of legal insanity and that it's different from medical diagnosis
Thanks for explaining from a psychiatric point of view. Please make more of these type of videos and it would be nice if you could do a review sometime on the older Netflix series called "Mindhunter".
Yeah that one was fucking phenomenal. Mindhunter was a crazy watch.
Yes I love David Fincher!
You addressed one thing that many people don't realize, and it's even misrepresented in fiction:
Being found "not guilty by reason of insanity" isn't a get out of jail free card. In some cases a person will spend more time in a mental facility than they could have been sentenced to in a correctional facility. While that obviously wouldn't have been the case for Dahmer, it's worth repeating.
Watching this series left me in a deep, emotional funk, a dank brown sinkhole of ickiness. (which I think is an entirely appropriate reaction to the show.) Then I saw that you had a reaction video to an episode of "Ratched", which gave me the idea to rewatch a few episodes of that show right after. It turns out that the gaudy, campy ridiculousness of "Ratched" is the perfect antidote to the ugliness of "Dahmer". Thanks for the recco, Doc!
Funnily enough I also watched Ratched after finishing Dahmer! I had never actually finished the show so I restarted it and it definitely did help relieve that icky feeling.
When I was in my early 20's, I remember going to Wildwood, NJ for a holiday weekend. I got water in both of my ears at the very beginning of the trip. Back then, there were no "urgent care" facilities, and I my pride wasn't about to allow me to go to an emergency room. Hence, I dealt with the lack of hearing for the entire weekend. It was absolutely one of the worst experiences of my life. The inability to listen to conversations and communicate with people left me feeling like a loner, and because I couldn't contribute to the "party," I avoided interaction with anyone. It was hellish.
Now, I am in no way saying I experienced what it's like to be deaf. On the contrary, I know that I only experienced a sliver of what deafness can do to a person..
The episode "Silenced" was beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time.
Yea my Dad is deaf, it was slow and he still has some hearing but he also has constant tinnitus. Anytime I had tinnitus or couldn’t hear it just hit hard how he must feel all of the time. I watched a very social person just slowly fade out of conversations and family events. You have an experience that makes you even more sympathetic, empathetic and compassionate towards people who suffer what you did on a larger scale and that’s a beautiful thing.
The acting was just phenomenal.
As someone with diagnosed mental illness - CPTSD, Anxiety, Depression, and what I like to call 'selective anti-sociality', meaning that, while I have not been diagnosed with ASPD, I do not have any particular desire for human connection and no trouble whatsoever turning my conscience on and off as the situation requires, owing to the social isolation, abuse, and neglect that came as a result of being born with major birth defects - spina bifida - and the sexual abuse (rape) that I suffered from the ages of 6 to 12 - I sympathize with those who get upset when people draw a connection between their illness and violence. Demonization can be frustrating.
On the other hand, as someone who has committed my share of violence, in part because of my inability to "appropriately" cope with my childhood circumstances, traumas, and subsequent mental illnesses, I cringe at their cringe and their demonization of those whose traumas and illness do lead them to commit violence.
I am not promoting violence at all. Nor am I renouncing accountability. I have certainly been punished, taken accountability, and made amends for my past violence.
I am saying that, while mental illness does not predict violence, it does not preclude it either. I am saying that the roads to extreme violence are many and the combination of isolation, abuse, and mental illness can be one of them. I am saying that even 'the worst' among us are not monsters, but human beings and even they deserve a measure of compassion - not to be confused with collusion or condoning - that they seem incapable of showing others.
Note: I am not here to argue. I am here to share my experiences and will not abide bullshit.
Thank you.
It took me a hot minute to get through that show, especially the episode with Tony. I thought those moments with him (the character) were really really good, but equally absolutely heartbreaking. I loved hearing your thoughts especially on a show like this that can be very exploitative on the victims. The English court fascinates me, especially as it is so different to how it is done here in the USA. Thank you for breaking how the hospitals vs prisons work. I would love to see a video on the different programs that are offered in the UK or how that all works.
I also just have to say Evan Peters & Niecy Nash-Betts both did an incredibly hard job and did it very well.
i appreciate you doing another response video! idk if it’s possible to fix these things after you’ve posted the video but the audio levels make this kind of hard to listen to (at least for me) b/c the shows clips require me to turn the volume all the way up to hear, your commentary is much louder, & then the adds are much louder than your commentary. my speakers nearly blew out when i got an ad cause it came in the middle of a clip 😂
Just found your channel and really loving your analysis of popular depictions of mental health matters and LGBTQ+ issues. Just wondering if you have got in to Ozark and, in particular, Season 3 which features a running story involving "Ben" a lead character's brother who has bipolar disorder and the challenges he (and all around him) face as he chooses to come off his meds and the resulting deterioration in his mental health. Addresses a huge number of challenges these scenarios can result in albeit in the somewhat heightened setting of the world of organised crime 😊A brilliant and very insightful performance by Tom Pelphrey as "Ben" in my opinion.
*SPOILER ALERT*
At the end, after Jeffery's death it seemed oddly uncharacteristic that it was the analytical, scientist father (who was always searching for the "why") that was the one parent who did not want Jeff's brain studied vs the mother who was more... Erm.. "woo woo" however it was she, who wanted their sons brain studied. Seemed more like SHE would have sought answers from a medium or tarot reading. I really didn't understand why, in the end Mom had sought science for an explanation and Dad had unequivocally refused. Just an observation 💜
True. Lionel was a Scientist and chemist in his own right. I guess the answer I arrive at, is that, her just this quiet, seemingly hard working (likely distant) father. Regardless of what happened it was still he's son....And I guess he just couldn't allow it to happen. Couldn't bare he's son being experimented on. (Whether deserved or not)
Just a fucked situation. There were Zero winners here. All round.
I like your responses to toxic REACTIONS to trauma rather than antagonizing people experiencing trauma. It's really sick how we're taught in this world NOT TO FEEL our emotions and to think we're broken if we struggle after trauma, rather than realizing that negative emotions are a natural response to trauma.
26:38 It just occurred to me that Jeffery's head wound up in a fridge too!! 😆Can't believe I missed that the first time around.
this was great watching your take...I loved this series Evan Peter's KILLED it.
I'm back here for part two. Great content man! Keep up the good work ☝️☝️👍💯
You might find it interesting that in the US, not every state allows for an insanity defense. Most do and follow very similar guidelines to the ones you mentioned in the UK. For those states that don't accept an insanity defense, you are held in a psychiatric hospital until you are declared competent enough to stand trial. Which may be in a few years, a decade, or you may spend the rest of your life in the psychiatric hospital. There's usually a competency hearing that takes place to determine if you qualify or not.
I'd like to mention the series is very evenly shot, gripping till the end, and did not spare any of those accountable in one way or another. For me the show went above and beyond all expectations. There were so many set-ups, actors, and different years portrayed that it would have been a very expensive series to produce. I have enjoyed hearing Dr. Elliot discuss many of the important clinical mental health aspects presented in the show.
I really like the insights you bring to shows like Dahmer. It's too scary for me to watch and yet I need to know what happens throughout all of this series. Also interesting to learn that insanity is a legal term. And glad they didn't study Jeff's brain because humans can end up seeking patterns that're never there
it's not scary, highly insightful for the family and just how bad the police were/ failed at the time ( racist, homeopathic, etc.. John Wayne Gacy the police did the same thing... said missing boyd were runaway)
Gentamicin, Amikasin....both BRUTAL... Actually, anything in the floriquinolone family 😬😬
Thanks for this! I'm glad I found you, new sub!! ❤️
The gentamicin thing messed with me. When my son was born they gave him gentamicin because they thought he was septic. They told me that hearing loss was a possible side effect, so I spent about 3 months trying to get his attention through sound.
Its clear that jeffey didn't want to hurt Tony. He just didnt want him to leave...
Interesting what you said about deafness at the beginning, specially considering the topics of nerodiveristy that have been brought up in this video series - my parents thought i might be deaf, as i didnt make eye contact when they called out to me, but luckily a doctor who specialized in autism in children walked my hospital room (i was a very sick kid lol) in and was like 'yeah, i would get them tested for autism instead.' and that's how I got diagnosed at two with autism, if that bloke hadnt said something it probably would have taken much longer.
I'm autistic and I would like to point out how little the knowledge our brains are shaped differently has affected our treatment. I probably have a shorter brain stem or whatever, maybe that's why I have screaming panic attacks from loud noises. But that knowledge doesn't help me not have panic attacks.
So sure, study brains, but don't expect it to have much effect on treating mental illness or psychological conditions.
This was a comment I was working on for the last video, I didn’t think you’d get back to it this quickly! If you could, could you please make a follow up on this? Or comment please: I find it interesting how you label him a psychopath… can you please explain why in your next video on this? I’ve heard him referenced as a sociopath. I think one of the reasons was due to the emotional nature of his crimes, and how he wasn’t the best at hiding evidence (he was just able to take advantage of the culture at the time and people’s homophobia/racism). *I was also REALLY hoping you’d react to this episode! Yay! It’s so deep “Silenced”
Wanted to comment on the hearing loss thing before I finish watching the video. Lack of hearing isn't the problem. Lack of LANGUAGE is. Signed languages do the exact same thing in the brain as spoken ones, no hearing required.
I still would love to see you take a look at Barry on HBO.
Oh my God yes, seconded
I remember there being a lot of backlash about this as some complained and were concerned that too many were glorifying serial killers and sort of this morbid attachment to these depictions. I agree that it's VERY important to have these conversations about mental illnesses, especially when they lead to such extremes and why they may be happening but one does not necessarily need to watch a movie/series about it to understand it. Although, some do learn better by visuals. I also remember the actor who played Dahmer saying how daunting, stressful and terrible it was for him to portray this character and seemed like he maybe regretted it.
She was a great actress in the show I'm glad you said something about that the PTSD in the trauma bonding the bonding because of the trauma the entire building went through that neighborhood went through, then she feels guilty that's all part of the process of trying to heal I have PTSD and people just don't understand they think get over it get on with life you can't just get over it especially whenever you have night terrors that go with it. I did like this episode very much humanized the victims very much so thank you for your Insight
It’s interesting that she started as a comedic actress, she’s so great at drama
By the way, speaking of the question of whether those with ASPD and high psychopathy benefit from talk psychotherapy or if it can be harmful in simply empowering them further to hurt others was a really, really core theme in The Sopranos, particularly in the first and final seasons. I’d really love to see you do a reaction video for that show someday. It also has a lot of episodes dealing with various other psychiatric topics- panic attacks, the effects of parental abuse, transference, psychiatrists who do talk therapy having their own therapists, sexual assault, trauma, etc. It is, however, a show that centres on a very rigid, very violent, very exploitative, very homophobic, very racist, very transphobic, and very sexist sub-culture with a *lot* of stuff going on with toxic masculinity, enforcement of normative gender roles, enforcement of racial and ethnic segregation, etc, which can make it a tough watch sometimes. The characters are not very good people.
Come to think of it, given your specific specialization in forensic psychiatry, you should DEEEEEEFINITELY do some Sopranos videos, since psychiatric treatment of criminals and the kinds of psychological issues involved in criminal and anti-social behaviour and faced by the kinds of people who habitually break the law is absolutely central to the entire show’s premise.
I was watching the news when it broke about him and everything unfolded. And also when he got killed.
I was 11. It was 93 right?
It’s crazy and scary
Hi, do you think its possible for me to develop PTSD from abuse of my father? I mean Ive been living away for years now but sometimes Im haunted by nightmares Im back in our house. And whenever my mom invites me to visit back home, I have this avoidant feeling that Id rather not go but will force myself to see them. And when Im in the house I keep thinking of leaving as soon as possible despite he does not hurt me anymore, verbally or physically. And when he drinks, I think hes alcoholic, though he distant himself from me Im on edge and my nerves are all alert. 🤧 sometimes I just want to go home and feel at home but honestly I cannot. I am guilty of even thinking of leaving even before I arrive at home. I think I have father issues. Im easily intimidated and avoidant of male and fatherly figures. I dont know how to overcome this
it's called complex PTSD and it's absolutely a thing that can and is caused by abuse
@@SjofnBM1989 thanks :( I think it has affected my life negatively. Im socially avoidant and I have low self esteem. I want to try new things but I know Ill will never make it happen. I dont want to blame them for what I have become. Im an adult now. But I dont know where to get even just a confidence.
@@arminarlert1953 A professional therapist would be able to help you with your struggles.
Yes, absolutely
Super random, but I love the freeze frame of Drag Race UK season 4 behind you.
I wondered what that was.
This was great and extremely insightful.
Have you heard of the show, The Patient, it would be a GREAT one to react to. I would love to hear your thoughts on it!
Thank you, thank you I loved your explenation. Big hug
as always, I really like your rewiews.
The legal aspects you explained here were very interesting. And make one realize how complex the matter is.
I wonder what would be the criteria to allow your legal majority to be delayed due to mental illness? (of course it would be different from country to country) The thing is I was in that situation when I was 17 (maturity 18 in my country), where with (mostly) eating disorders my mother tricked me into a closed unit (I understand it today. My weight loss was out of control). Of course I was not happy about it and was adamant I would have to endure the horror of being there until I got mature and would dismiss myself. My psychiatrist threatened me then to delay may maturity for some years. I still don't know if they could really have done this to me, or how easily, but (from their perspecitive) it worked, weightwise. But therapy-wise, made it only worse, since I knew I could not trust anyone, always fearing they would use it against me. It was too risky to speak out potentially self-incriminating thoughts, so I kept a lot for myself. I was absolutely horrified and "behaved" the absolute necessary, only to be more depressed and alone after my release (which my mother was fine with after a certain time because holidays were over and she did not want me to miss to much of shool), anxiously watching not to loose to much wight again and with constant threats. Anyway, I was allowed my legal majority at 18 years old, but until today (and your video just completely reminded me of it) I really wonder if my case would have justified such a harsh decision.
not me noticing starlet in the background
Elliott you really should a video on Paul Spector from the fall so much to analyse with that character
So when you talk about the link between aggression and the MAO gene, is there a similarity between that and using MAOI drugs to treat depression (and irritability/anger being a symptom of depression)?
Dr can you tell me the side effects are for ritalin?
Can they contribute towards any type of psychosis or mania?
If one cannot become a formidable force, then by virtue, he is weak. And weakness is not a virtue. With that being said, one must know what he can do, and control his actions...
Can you do one on deperaonalization derealizartion disorder, I have it, but it's hard for me to understand
People who don’t understand emotional dysregulation and think you’re just being a tantrum baby are so frustrating. Especially when using strategies to calm yourself, avoidance, child like behaviours etc. and they mock you or will come into your ‘safe space’ to confront you.
Love the drag race in the background
I don't think Jeff had ASP, he drugged his victims to feel no pain, and he drank to cope with what he was doing, and he didn't try very hard not to get caught and when he was he said he should be dead for what he did, I believe he had remorse but his compulsion was too strong.
I don't think having the understanding that what he was doing was wrong equates to him feeling guilt.
I don't think he felt bad at all I think he just knew that the death penalty is what happened to serial killers.
and he drugged his victims so they wouldn't be able fight back not so they didn't feel any pain.
It was still a *criminal* compulsion and he didn’t have enough remorse or guilt to ask to be put in a mental hospital (they were still doing that back in those days) or to be watched or kept away from public.
If you are trying to insinuate (and I am not 100% claiming that you are) he was simply a good guy with a compulsion, you are so wrong. Regardless of whatever guilt he may have felt or “attempts” he may have made to lessen pain, he made the decision that fulfilling his sick compulsion was more important than the value of another human being’s life.
Meh
@@SmartStart24 I wouldn't insinuate he was a good guy by any means, I just don't necessarily think he had ASPD.
Dahmer didn’t let himself off the hook either, which is why he is such a compelling mystery. 🤔
I hope you can answer my question..I wonder if Dahmer wanting to die is caused by some sort of guilt? Or do you think it's caused by the knowledge of losing his freedom and not being able to carry out his urges?? I hope I discribed it well, English is kot my first language.
There are times in the US that criminals will stay in a psychiatric hospital until they are well enough to go to prison. The insanity plea gets way over used here.
So a glass of wine acts like a temporary serotonin reuptake inhibitor?
Probably not but that's what I heard.
Enjoying your contents a lot!
Subbing now. I wish you knew my ex-husband. He had every marriage counselor fooled.
Thank you for analyzing. There is a self aware Narcisstic Psychopath with a RUclips channel. His name is HG Tudor The Ultra. He explaines about Narcissm and ASPD on his channel. Very interessting. You get a lot of answers there.
The daughter of the BTK says she has PTSD but how when she didn't think he did it and said she had a great childhood? How does she suddenly have PTSD as a 35 year old woman have a non traumatic PTSD? It makes me not believe this spectrum of PTSD
right i thought that too.
@@Nish1988 Thank God someone else understands this because no one else I've spoken to does. Just like, if she has PTSD, everyone over 16 has PTSD. Every single person has PTSD.
@@Metonymy1979Kerri's PTSD came from the police investigation, which uncovered among other things that her dad used to practice bondage on her when she was a toddler. She didn't have a great childhood, BTK's family said he wasn't abusive at first, but the investigation eventually found that he was. It's sad that the myth that BTK was not a POS in his personal life still persists.
Can you do the real JD interview with Stone Phillips?
I was diagnosed with toxic psychosis so the part of intoxication confuses me
So interesting ..thanks for your post
My friend and I watched all the court case footage and the interview where he (and the dad!?) are in green outfits. I empathised with the Borderline Personality Disorder aspects of the case. I have it plus empathy is not a crime. My friend noticed his stiff gait and potential Aspergers. He seemed very childlike too. A tragic complex case all round.
Im pretty sure it was pretty much clear that he was not a psychopath though
I did read the interview with Jeffrey Dahmer's mum, in which she was claiming that he never intended to hurt anyone.
I don't know how I'm feeling about that statement, even if I can understand why she would be the one holding onto that image of her son.
I’m a white Bi, Jew, Deaf, and chronically ill.., it’s not easy
I dont agree at all with the narcissistic diagnosis in jeffrey. I saw the whole serie and never saw any sign in him enjoying and seeking attention from people. His reaction in the last episodes to the magazine and the fan letters are actually genuine curiosity of him to someone *finally* giving attention to him, but not because he has an exaggerated unhealthy need for attention and cant live without it, but because since he was a kid, no one ever given him attention, and Im talking about normal human attention that you normally give to someone, not even his parents gave him the attention and care that children need, they always left him by himself to take care of things and this contributed to his feeling of loneliness and abandonment, so you cant help but blame him when someone, anyone, for once shows attention and care for him and he wants to keep the magazine or when he is genuinely happy that someone is writing to him, that is not a narcissistic trait, it's the simple human need to feel seen and appreciate and loved by someone, and not just ignored and put aside by everyone. For the wrong reasons, sure, but still enough for jeffrey that never had any of that in his whole life.
The slightly chubby policeman in dahmer monster would be ideal to play bobby Joe long he's a dead ringer for the guy couldn't think who he reminded me of until I thought oh yh that other serial killer..
Hey I’ve heard of the m’naughton rule because of A Time To Kill
I find this all interesting info as i find it so intriguing for a human to exist like that. It also makes me think- i should get a diagnosis done on me to understand my behaviour and why i liked a guy who has narcissistic traits and mental instability too. I wonder! 🧐🧐
I am really enjoying your videos. I found them by accident. I like the way you break things down. However I am curious, what is your opinion on if Dahmer brain should have been studied? I kinda wished they had, just to see what they would discovered. If anything. Also what is your opinion if he possibly inherited this from his dad?
It's less about individual cases and more about how do we change the culture of facilitating research into prison health and forensic medicine. An n=1 of any state of mind or health condition is unlikely to change the world but high profile cases can be an impetus for cultural change
@@DoctorElliottCarthy true. I guess I'm just curious to see what they would.have found if they had the chance to study his brain, to see why he was the way he was. I hope its a healthy curiosity.
I wouldn't say medications are the last resort. Surely physical restraint is the last resort? A weak sedative like diazepam surely is kinder than physically restraining someone.
I'm sorry but the intensive isolating means any interactive experience is rewarding. This is the thing don't distance you're selves from this. You do this just not in a socially responsible manner but because the destruction makes him feel good
Idk, but I personally believe he felt immense remorse for all he did.
me too
Is that why he was making his prison food look like body parts? Because he was so sorry for what he did?
@@Creepystalker102 We definitely can't know for sure, but I believe that part was only added in the series and didn't actually happen in real life. I read somewhere that the one who claimed Jeffrey did all that stuff in prison was Christopher Scarver, the man who eventually murdered him, and that psychologists who actually studied Jeffrey refused to believe it because it seemed so out of character for what they knew of him. It could have been one of Scarver's delusions, since we know he was also quite mentally unstable and had a hard time differentiating fantasy from reality. Judging from all the footage I've seen of Jeffrey himself, I too find it hard to believe he would behave in such a way. But again, can't know for sure.
Idk why but your top button is bothering the hell out of me. I can’t stop staring at it 😭😭😭
Its Starlet!
Unrelated but I study English Language and Literature and yours is a - phonetically speaking - perfect Received Pronunciation accent, hahaha. My phonetics and phonology professor would love you hahahahaha
My sister has ASPD and I went no contact 5 years ago. I tried reading The Sociopath Next Door to get more insight and after I read the whole book it literally just says avoid them if you can 🤦🏻♀️
I've found several doctor's channels on narcissism and those have been very helpful.
I really wish I had known about these traits sooner and not wasted years of my energy, resources, and peace of mind on someone who wasn't just selfish but incapable of empathy and remorse. The frustration and the anger directed at myself for allowing the mistreatment has taken a long time to process and I've struggled to contruct healthy boundaries and to be aware of my codependent tendencies.
The resources and knowledge available to younger people is invaluable. I wish I'd known this stuff decades ago. It would've saved me a lot of time and heartache.
I think that Dahmer is more of a sociopath. I’ve been studying his case since last October because I’m really interested in psychology as well. I’ve seen every interview that I could, and tried to analyse his body language and everything. I’m rly interested in it bc I’m mentally ill myself. I think that he’s a really interesting person, and I want to suggest you a video of Dr Eric Hickey. He basically explains everything that I’m thinking. (since I have trouble with my wording and with explaining stuff) He knew the Dahmer family as well and I would love to hear your reaction to this video. So i guess this is a video suggestion lol. I would appreciate it if you would make a reaction video to Dr Hickeys video. I really love your content and I really hope you’ll see this :)
DRAG RACE UK IN THE BACKGROUND DONT THINK I DIDNT NOTICE
"How to treat ASPD..."? I thought it was untreatable. Has that changed?
This is why i prefer hannibal cause it's fictional
After all that Jeff did, how can anyone possibly believe he wasn’t insane??
Because the legal definition of insanity is NOT "is the person mentally unwell," it's "could they understand that what they did was wrong when they did it?" Jeff tried to hide his crimes, he knew it was wrong, so he is not LEGALLY insane
He knew what he was doing
Niecy Nash was the best part of the whole show. She is so talented.
Can lobotomizing or insulin shock or electric shocking or force drugging people make u a psycopath. Psychiatry has always been and still is a crime against humanity.
What exactly is voyeuristic? Doesn't most who watch videos such as these find them exciting? Learning about the subject of serial killers isn't often associated with wanting to be part of law enforcement, nor any other vocation. It's usually simple interest in horrible subject matter. Now I'm starting to wonder if movies like Silence of the Lambs are horror and not just thriller, as I always argue. I'm a horror fanatic. I love horror movies. But I don't consider Silence of the Lambs as horror because it has different content and context to the horror genre. Or does it? I'm starting to wonder my own motivations towards this.