FOR EXTRA NOTES CLICK EXPAND This video is sponsored by Buyee. Sign up for Buyee and get 2,000 yen off your first purchase! (affiliate link): bit.ly/buyee-tokaku Notes: - I am not editing like this ever again, it took a month to get this video done. Unless if I get a million views per video each time or $1000 pledged on my patreon, no way. Sorry about that! - Korean screenshots were translated with DeepL in the video - I'm not sure if the update that recracked the song decryptions in O2Mania was by the original creators (the original website stopped at a beta 1.3.0 version that was not released publicly. I also don't know who is behind the current O2Mania website. They're two different domains. - O2Jam China, in an ironic twist of events, had some illegal things going on too. They plagarised a number of copyrighted songs from other rhythm games. egloos.zum.com/blue0284/v/5133571 blue0284.egloos.com/5133571 - Music & Beats was developed by Mobirix (yes, yet another company, I didn't say it in the video though) - It is unclear what happened to O2Jam Company. Since Music & Games is under VALOFE now, I can only guess that they were either bought over by VALOFE or VALOFE bought the O2Jam IP - A bunch of other things were fixed in the 1.2GB update, like the keybinds not saving if you quit the game
This was an extremely well edited video and you deserve to get a milion views under it. I hope you'll continue over-editing videos like this at least from time to time, cause they're very enjoyable to watch.
I genuinely thought you hired an editor for this video, you did a really good job! I'm sure you got a ton of experience from this, maybe if you decide to do this style of editing again for a big project you'll get it done much quicker, or... maybe just go insane from overworking yourself too hard. Hopefully it's not the latter.
oh man, it's so sad that O2jam's legacy is this. I used to play the shit out of O2jam in the early 2000s. My avatar had so much bling because I spent my allowance on the stupid cash currency comestics while the noobs had no hair (default avatar was bald), I had glorious long blonde hair. I remember the first 'paid' song I had was Gargoyle. Mastering that song felt so good. And even better was playing that song to full combo in a LAN shop with people standing behind you going all "WOW PRO" And now O2jam is like this. This is the worst timeline.
That is literal Bad Future from Sonic CD, what the hell happened to this franchise. Although I wasn't a super fan of the original O2Jam (Because I was too young to even know what it was, the game is literally older than me), I remember playing a lot of O2Jam U and having a blast despite the predatory monetization that's somehow worse than gacha games
What a sad event to what happened to this game. Back in 2005-2009 here in the Philippines this game was at its peak and there were so many pro players around and I could just play the game all day long with someone always there to play among the main servers (Kalliope, Euta, Kleo). I ranked 2nd in one of the regional tournaments and that defined my teenage years. The main downfall of the game was literally the company that ran it and failed to understand the needs of its users. They implemented subscriptions (O2KR) and micro transactions before they were a thing which turned off most, but that really didn't matter back in the day even if I spent all my lunch money on it because buying the in game items was really nice as well the songs. In the later stages of running the game they failed to give direction to the game by failing to give what the users want relative to what the prices they were charging the in-game transactions for, along with the random hacking occurring in-game, Korean exclusivity, as well as different companies holding the IP until it went down to the ground in 2012. What a mess. They should have released the ORIGINAL default 7 key game as a steam release and it might have thrived because the PC gaming platform is what it is now. And now DJMRV has stole that crown of the rhythm game with the best 'feeling' on the notes, having several battle passes which O2JAM would have ultimately had, as well as new songs and skins released at every cycle. Osu mania, although having the same concept also doesn't have that rhythmic feel of the original game and the feel of the notes are somewhat bland, probably due to the way it was programmed. I now rank 30k in the game and it gets really boring easily. Its really sad because the original gameplay was really unlike any other rhythm game; the notes were well timed to the beat and the songs were really fantastic to play on, also being made by actual artists dedicated to the game like SHK, KAZE, Beautiful Day, etc. The other VSRG's at the time could not even compare to the feel of the original O2jam game that was why it was so popular. My only loving memory of the game is that I keep an old offline Windows PC running windows vista wherein I run the much better and more accurate emulator called O2china and have all my songs loaded and play the game to my hearts content on some days. IF they ever want people to play the game, they should release the ORIGINAL 7KEY DESIGN of the game, ALONG WITH THE EXACT PLAYABILITY it had back in the day no more no less. Because people from back then will ultimately remember what a great game it was, that was why O2Int thrived, and not the crap we are seeing that was released just now. They can charge for all the micro transactions they want, but if it is unlike the original game, it will never click. BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL O2JAM!
This is so sad. The original O2Jam (the one from the 2000's that ran in a 640x480 resolution on windows XP) was the game that got me into rhythm games and probably the only rhythm game I actually took relatively seriously (as in, wrist injuring level).
Interesting to note that even though the official game died more than a decade ago, private servers are still going strong (or they were before the C&D stuff). So many of the insane top 7k vsrg players come from o2jam!
Damn, O2Jam. What a throwback. My now dead uncle played that a lot when it was very famous. Kinda suprised why it disappeared but this explains it properly. Well done.
I haven't seen your channel before because I'm not the biggest on rhythm games (aka: I suck at all of them except Hi-Fi Rush haha), but I really loved this video, the way you presented the history of these games was super interested and well scripted and edited!! All the stuff that happened to O2Jam jumping publishers and getting greedier rereleases over time rings familiar for me as someone who used to play tons of Korean MMOs back in the day, it seems to be quite a common thing in the Korean games industry.
I'ved played o2jam since the beginning and there's one thing you might've missed there was a very big exploit back then, you can buy the egames shirt cosmetic for 20 game currency sell it back for 20,000 and you can have infinite amount of in game currency which you can buy songs and very expensive cosmetics that are on par with cash ones iirc that caused the cash items worthless and it was never fixed for a long time. After that the game shut down. It happened in the philippines idk about the other servers.
I've never seen so many references to yuri manga characters in one video. Also I love the new style of editing in this video, certainly entertaining to watch.
This is gold, there was a time where videos on RUclips use this kind of editing format. Nowadays it's mostly reaction thingy video that rarely brings any value to the original content.
I've only just now watched through the video, but I remember this game was announced and saw the publisher be VALOFE, I feared the worst since I've already had my fair share of bad experiences with the company. They bought up one of my childhood games Combat Arms from Nexon, and promised they would make a classic version of the game since the playerbase wanted the older version back, since the new version of the game was riddled with power creep on weapons and armor, and just wanted the classic experience back. They brought the game back, sort of.. they made it a hot pile of garbage, making it even more pay to win than it was when Nexon owned it, who were already notorious for introducing power creep on guns, and worst of all, they brought a 2015 backup of the servers back, while the playerbase of the game was peaking in 2010-2012, players were anticipating a remake of that era, maybe even older. A bunch of freelance coders that had nostalgia of the game, a huge backlog of the older game engine, lots and LOTS of effort put in to it by a huge community of older players, they had put together an actual 2009 classic version of the game, instead of the "classic" version they released on steam because the older playerbase wants the 2009 version back, it wasn't available to the public, all files were hosted locally through some download links in discord, the discord invites were hard to come by as their blog post about updating the game that contained the discord invite link wasn't easily found on google, and mostly spread through RUclips videos from older content creators that were happy their old game was actually being brought back by a set of motivated developers that played the game in that same era. At first they opened up a public beta on discord, all was fine, players were flowing into the discord once word got spread around, there weren't even any public servers up yet, just some people hosting local servers on their PC's at home, some people making some videos, and people just stunned that their childhood game was brought back. Then one night, I wake up, the discord is gone, ALL traces of RUclips videos have been removed, their whole backlog and backups of their engine reworks, modelling and all the hard work put in by all of the developers was just straight up removed, even stuff they remodelled themselves because the old models were lost to time. Their domain is now expired, and there is a few backups of the website that remain in the wayback machine, the last one has the following message about the shutdown: Thanks to all those who enjoyed the game for the week we all had it publicly. The discord server has been shutdown (not by us), and all shared public servers and download links have been removed until further notice from this website. A few suggestions while I'm here: Don't create Reddit pages to share servers Don't create discords to share servers Don't host your own download links Don't make videos Don't attack any company involved with the official game RUclips videos are being DMCA'd for any sort of modding, hacking, or anything pertaining to this project or any modification/hacking of the original game. Private your videos if you have this kind of content. Doing anything above will cause more harm than good. Let the staff handle it. Thank you. VALOFE just silenced a bunch of freelance developers taking their time to build a classic version from the ground up, only for it to be completely wiped from existence just a week later, including some mixed files from other projects they were working on too that had nothing to do with the reworked version of the game. I knew this game was headed this way, but hearing another O2Jam private server was also shut down just hit home a little too close lmao There is still 1 before and after video up from one of the oldest Combat Arms content creators, it wasn't striked down since it did not contain any footage of the remade game, just talking about the topic. If you're curious, look up "Combat Arms Reborn" on RUclips, and it's the 2 videos made by StiffTheNinja, and the shutdown was talked about "What happened to Combat Arms: R" As much as I'd like to see both games get fixed up, I know that it won't happen when VALOFE is in charge..
Clearly they released a completely unfinished product, and their solution was to “”bug fix”” the features in later. Also I wouldn’t be surprised if the secret to their businesses’s success was “crime” (fraud).
Woah is this the first mention of DJMAX on this channel? At least the first time we've heard your views on it I think. It's such a good game! DJMAX Portable for the PSP is what got me into rhythm games, and I've played every single one, minus the Technika ones for the arcade. While DJMAX Respect for the PS4 is now neglected, DJMAX Respect V for PC is so damn good! It's the culmination of over a decade of work, and even their new songs are bangers! But goddamn is it expensive... So much DLC... Still worth it for the base game, IMO!
I'm sorry, they paid for a weekly subscription and were being billed EVERY DAY? *EVERY DAY?* *7 TIMES THE PRICE THAT WAS STATED?* I would literally crash the moon into earth if I ever discovered I was being billed 7 times more than what I was intending to pay for. Scratch that, the entire solar system gets to have one big hug pile of absolute AGONY for someone attempting to screw with me on such an absurd level.
Huh, I always figured that O2jam just died like djmax online because the company no longer supported it. Or they got sued by Konami. Either way, at least there's EZ2On. Personally I've always been a DJMAX player but can't hurt to have more music games to play.
I'm a korean rhythm gamer live in korea, have been playing almost all of rhythm games released in korea since 2000s like Canmusic PUMP O2JAM DJMAX etc, but somehow you showed us amazing amount of knowledge about the industry that a native KR gamer has no idea.... I'm pretty impressed
Difference is you are playing games like a normal person, while us autistic idiots make a life and our entire personality out of it. Gg, i hope to be like you
Really obscure story in China about O2Jam Online's 'worst game on steam' status: Prior to O2Jam Online's existence, the worst game on steam has always been a Chinese tabletop multiplayer game 'War of the Three Kingdom' based on a real and massively popular Chinese tabletop game, which has the quality of like 'Monopoly Plus', the multiplayer experience balanced by a toddler, and the level of cashgrab and pay-to-win that is unthinkable even to Genshin gamers. I'm not going in depth on how bad the cashgrab is, but it is bad enough where players can spend up to millions and still have things payable, and hence the Chinese gamer community attempts to 'gatekeep' the game away from kids who played the irl version of the tabletop game or foreign gamers who don't know better, which results in the negative review bomb on that game (usually with different languages, outlining the crimes the game has committed) which serves as a warning, also as a Chinese-only meme. After O2Jam Online has been released, it has dethroned the Chinese game from being the worst rated game on steam. Being the certified Chinese memesters, some tried to protect the sovereignty of 'War of the Three Kingdom' being the worst game, whom attempted to bombard O2Jam Online with positive reviews while creating alt accounts and re-enabling their thumbs-down streak on that Chinese game to maintain the ratio. If you scroll down the comments on O2Jam Online and find a Chinese comment, 9 out of 10 would be talking about that condemned Chinese tabletop game. O2Jam Online showing 'Mixed' in recent Steam reviews, has been also somewhat influenced by such action from these Chinese gamers. Now let us send our congratulations to these devoted Chinese memesters. 'War of the Three Kingdom' is back on top (or bottom, depends on how you look at it), for once and hopefully forever.
as an (ex-)genshin player, genshin is not even the worst of its kind, so it for sure would be unthinkable its still pretty bad to be fair (gacha is bad by principle), just slightly better than majority
@@arcueid3352 it's mentioned on the pinned comment, but it took her too long to finish the video due to the style of editing. a shame, IMO the effort was paid off but yeah if every video she did would take months to do I can see why she'd rather a simpler editing style
Seems oddly common for these half dead korean games to get juggled around between publishers as they roll away from their original intention and playerbase. This really feels like the logical conclusion to that. A game that has moved so far away from the original that it's just become an unrecognizable corpse of the original game
12:35 There is a similar bug in Bandori, it has to do with languages that use . as a thousands separator and , as a decimal separator and vice versa. If so, on JP, your score gets inflated and the game kicks you out for getting an impossible score. On EN, there is one particular song, Nevereverland, that changes BPM to 206.5 at one point, causing all notes to approach at 10x speed.
you would think that they would keep all the internal calculations in one language and just apply the translator at the end to the text that gets shown to the player
12:32 Yeah, that's me. The reason I have that score is the same bug that someone commented. I live in Argentina, many spanish speaking countries use the Comma as a decimal mark, except some in North and Central America, like Mexico, that use the Point instead.
@@buttsaggington6379 they do -- the issue is with standard library functions for e.g. parsing a string to a floating-point number are locale-sensitive -- on EN the string "206.5" becomes the number 206.5, but on a locale that uses , for decimal separation it becomes the number 2065. normally you're supposed to also give those functions a fixed locale if you're parsing something other than user input, but sometimes people forget or don't know you have to do that.
The KSSN thing wasn't just an O2Jam thing, it was a thing back then for Korea Maplestory (which was already IP blocked) and when people found a way to bypass it, you now must have a Korean phone number to register which is tied to your license and personal identification. Basically they just wanted the servers exclusively for their own people, and I guess games without enough an audience just died out
Sucks when games region lock to go this hard from regions from interacting with each other. Fighting games know this far too common with no crossplay & rollback = dead game in months. Unsure china is like this but wouldn't pass it by them, but i can just feel the pain from the players having game after game die out.
@@M4TTYN Region locking is the scourge of media everywhere. It’s like the ghost of xenophobia casting a curse on your game consoles or DVDs. There’s quite literally no good reason for region locking, it’s always a polite “fuck you” to foreign audiences.
I've never heard of this game in my life but the video is so entertaining I basically got force fed information about a korean rythm game while I was occupied laughing with the edits.
I wanted to see how bad it was but when I ran the game it tried to install what I think is an anticheat, failed, crashed and then watermarked my screen until I uninstalled the game. Complete quality.
I noticed that. i kept recognizing the series and was like are they all yuri? heck there are some pretty obscure series there (i think the most obscure i recognized was Please Bully Me Miss Villainess)
2:01 Futaba from Persona 5 5:07 voice font of Sans from Undertale 15:57 Hope’s Peak Academy from Danganronpa Almost all my favorite series in one video followuped lol
This is the most impressive video edit you have ever done - well done, seriously. I don't even want to think about the amount of edits this went through. O2 Jam has some bangers, not gonna lie...
my uncle actually used to play o2jam, back in the philippines a few years before i was born (im only 13, almost 14), he used to go to a computer store, and while there he got made fun of by some people for not playing o2jam (presumably they were playing on the stores computers), so he went ahead and downloaded the game, and began playing, ended up becoming one of the best in that area, of course it has been like 16 years for him so some parts might seem fuzzy, i let him play again after i went ahead and downloaded o2mania and all the songs, and due to the extremely long period of not playing, he obviously wasn't all too skilled, but could still play a bit higher than me, for a bit he did play on my computer to play o2mania, with permission of course and i went upstairs and he was playing, and i watched, i remember he also asked if he could play after i was done doing something, and he also played at night like once, after he got back from like the casino, i remember i made a full notepad guiding him to the file. this was only in like 2022 when he started playing for a bit. edit: edited to be more clear.
The editing and comedy you had on telling us the story of this what I can so generously call "A corpse so defiled even god dosent know what they originally were" travesty of a game series was so much fun ^^ thanks for suffering the horrors of O2Jam for our amusement
I mean this is O2Jam from mobile that revived in PC. (But not same with O2Jam U version) Even I remember the UI was same with the latest mobile version and has 8 APKs (Yes, I remember they have 8 APKs because the devs didn't know how to update song in 1 APK) And I need 8 SUBSCRIPTION to play ALL LOCKED SONG for 8 APKs before Valofe handle 8 volume song in 1 APK If they revived the old PC one maybe it still get mixed review ======///===== The most baffles until mobile version (correct me If I'm wrong), the old song like Gargoyle 2004 by Sanxion7 (PIU Pro 2 and Fiesta EX got 2009 version) or Go by DM Ashura (got mix by EK for PIU Pro 2) or even Euphorium by DM Ashura (The song only got attention to PIU Infinity) I mean if you compare the crossover O2Jam song to another rhytm Steam game like Groove Coaster or EZ2ON the song you could purchase AS A DLC and not subscription
It's kinda sad how bad the so called "O2Jam Online" by VALOFE. Even further how badly it is treated toward people's who actually love the old O2Jam who try to maintain those private server for years now by making them shutdown the server. How in the world even they get a hold O2Jam in first place just plain suck but I guess business is business after all. Wish there will be one day when there's an actual remake of O2Jam Online on PC version that actually inspired well as how it was while using modern game engine by standard nowadays or even better a game that actually not o2jam but much better while holding those elements make o2jam what it was in past which actually do better job making such game. Oh well. Good video btw. Very well constructed information so far. I enjoyed it so far :)
I used to play O2Jam for a long time ever since it came here in Malaysia. I loved the soundtrack and the community I was part of, both online and offline. It's sad to see how its full history turned out to be till now. I've already said my piece in my Steam review but I'll say it again: Please pack your bags and move to other rhythm games that do a much better job as this; such as DJMAX, SDVX, Arcaea, etc. On a side note, I think when the original developers (O2Media) sold out the game, they went on to make Krazy Rain. Needless to say; that game, too, is long gone in a similar fashion. I have no idea what happened to it or its history.
Fuck watching this video broke my heart. O2Jam is one of the first online game i played back in 2000s here in Indonesia. It is my beloved childhood game that i still played last year via O2Mania. Knowing their situation really makes me sad. I still remember back then there's no Guild system on the game itself but people making their own Guild on O2Jam forum and from there friendships and rivalries formed. I remember 1 times playing on O2Jam competition and just get demolished because i brought wrong keyboard that i can't press 7 buttons at the same time lol. I really got so many good memories from this game. I'm sure hope someday we'll got a good official O2Jam server running. Not some cash grabs like it now. Cheers, Luxoria from Indonesian server back then.
I think this video is proof that any topic no matter how obscure or niche can be extremely entertaining to watch with enough ADHD editing for satisfying the most Adderall deficient children. Jokes aside, absolutely amazing video and the editing is superb. I'm definitely looking forward to more videos from you.
Recommendation works well today because it gifted me this gem. Editing is fun, voice is nice to hear, video isn't boring at all. Overall I am glad that I found this channel and this video. Looking forward to seeing more content from you :D
This is one hell of a history to a game. I dunno if it's the craziest story out there but my goodness. I especially lost it at O2Mania's update just a year later. The dev of that program trolled that game's devs hard.
Music game veteran here. I got this game during early access on Steam and it was my fastest refund I've ever made. And on another note: These subscription models are absolutely toxic. I prefer DLC packs. Even worse if you have to buy songs AND sub. What kinda BS is that (I'm looking at you Konami)
i was so excited for this to hit steam but as soon as it released i was like NOPE. there's just better options now. though i do wish some company would release a rhythm game with fun avatars to collect clothes and stuff for, i just LOVE that shit and miss it.
Feels bad when a game lost their original player base Nonetheless, great vid, there’s quite the abundant amount of yuri mangas in this vid that I enjoyed reading
Jesus christ...how did you even get so much footage from so long ago to make this video? That's amazing...as an old o2jam player much respect to you, I can't even get my head around how you were able to gather so much footage from that far back to make this video. Amazing job, this is like an o2jam documentary the way you shared so much information about the history of o2jam and you help bring things like o2 mania and dj max to a much bigger audience.
Who could’ve guessed that big companies keep releasing piss poor products because they keep being paid to do so… at least we have small/indie studios releasing quality games for us to play
as a seo taiji fan who played o2jam, he didn't got actually paid anymore because the servers closed back in 2009 and the revenue he was about to get was pretty big and it's a shame considering the fact that if it wasn't him kpop wouldn't be as he is the godfather of kpop
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Notes:
- I am not editing like this ever again, it took a month to get this video done. Unless if I get a million views per video each time or $1000 pledged on my patreon, no way. Sorry about that!
- Korean screenshots were translated with DeepL in the video
- I'm not sure if the update that recracked the song decryptions in O2Mania was by the original creators (the original website stopped at a beta 1.3.0 version that was not released publicly. I also don't know who is behind the current O2Mania website. They're two different domains.
- O2Jam China, in an ironic twist of events, had some illegal things going on too. They plagarised a number of copyrighted songs from other rhythm games.
egloos.zum.com/blue0284/v/5133571
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- Music & Beats was developed by Mobirix (yes, yet another company, I didn't say it in the video though)
- It is unclear what happened to O2Jam Company. Since Music & Games is under VALOFE now, I can only guess that they were either bought over by VALOFE or VALOFE bought the O2Jam IP
- A bunch of other things were fixed in the 1.2GB update, like the keybinds not saving if you quit the game
you rlly over edited this 😊/pos
This was an extremely well edited video and you deserve to get a milion views under it. I hope you'll continue over-editing videos like this at least from time to time, cause they're very enjoyable to watch.
I genuinely thought you hired an editor for this video, you did a really good job! I'm sure you got a ton of experience from this, maybe if you decide to do this style of editing again for a big project you'll get it done much quicker, or... maybe just go insane from overworking yourself too hard. Hopefully it's not the latter.
i barely watch youtube and actually sat through a video for once good job
I respect the effort put into this hyper edit. Have you watched max0r and his incorrect summary series? They are so much chaos and fun.
oh man, it's so sad that O2jam's legacy is this. I used to play the shit out of O2jam in the early 2000s. My avatar had so much bling because I spent my allowance on the stupid cash currency comestics while the noobs had no hair (default avatar was bald), I had glorious long blonde hair.
I remember the first 'paid' song I had was Gargoyle. Mastering that song felt so good. And even better was playing that song to full combo in a LAN shop with people standing behind you going all "WOW PRO"
And now O2jam is like this. This is the worst timeline.
That is literal Bad Future from Sonic CD, what the hell happened to this franchise.
Although I wasn't a super fan of the original O2Jam (Because I was too young to even know what it was, the game is literally older than me), I remember playing a lot of O2Jam U and having a blast despite the predatory monetization that's somehow worse than gacha games
It could be worse, a lot worse
@Ricardobr14 but it could also be *a lot* better.
o2jam isnt really dead though there are still private servers going on, no one actually care about the steam release we all on the real o2
@@clamati1436 I'd love to play it but god do I suck at anything more than 5 keys
What a sad event to what happened to this game. Back in 2005-2009 here in the Philippines this game was at its peak and there were so many pro players around and I could just play the game all day long with someone always there to play among the main servers (Kalliope, Euta, Kleo). I ranked 2nd in one of the regional tournaments and that defined my teenage years. The main downfall of the game was literally the company that ran it and failed to understand the needs of its users. They implemented subscriptions (O2KR) and micro transactions before they were a thing which turned off most, but that really didn't matter back in the day even if I spent all my lunch money on it because buying the in game items was really nice as well the songs. In the later stages of running the game they failed to give direction to the game by failing to give what the users want relative to what the prices they were charging the in-game transactions for, along with the random hacking occurring in-game, Korean exclusivity, as well as different companies holding the IP until it went down to the ground in 2012. What a mess. They should have released the ORIGINAL default 7 key game as a steam release and it might have thrived because the PC gaming platform is what it is now. And now DJMRV has stole that crown of the rhythm game with the best 'feeling' on the notes, having several battle passes which O2JAM would have ultimately had, as well as new songs and skins released at every cycle. Osu mania, although having the same concept also doesn't have that rhythmic feel of the original game and the feel of the notes are somewhat bland, probably due to the way it was programmed. I now rank 30k in the game and it gets really boring easily. Its really sad because the original gameplay was really unlike any other rhythm game; the notes were well timed to the beat and the songs were really fantastic to play on, also being made by actual artists dedicated to the game like SHK, KAZE, Beautiful Day, etc. The other VSRG's at the time could not even compare to the feel of the original O2jam game that was why it was so popular. My only loving memory of the game is that I keep an old offline Windows PC running windows vista wherein I run the much better and more accurate emulator called O2china and have all my songs loaded and play the game to my hearts content on some days.
IF they ever want people to play the game, they should release the ORIGINAL 7KEY DESIGN of the game, ALONG WITH THE EXACT PLAYABILITY it had back in the day no more no less. Because people from back then will ultimately remember what a great game it was, that was why O2Int thrived, and not the crap we are seeing that was released just now. They can charge for all the micro transactions they want, but if it is unlike the original game, it will never click.
BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL O2JAM!
As a person who hasn't even heard of this franchise until this vid, BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL O2JAM!
Yeah BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL O2JAM 😠 i want see notes falling not coming at my face
This is so sad. The original O2Jam (the one from the 2000's that ran in a 640x480 resolution on windows XP) was the game that got me into rhythm games and probably the only rhythm game I actually took relatively seriously (as in, wrist injuring level).
Interesting to note that even though the official game died more than a decade ago, private servers are still going strong (or they were before the C&D stuff). So many of the insane top 7k vsrg players come from o2jam!
Damn, O2Jam. What a throwback. My now dead uncle played that a lot when it was very famous. Kinda suprised why it disappeared but this explains it properly. Well done.
I haven't seen your channel before because I'm not the biggest on rhythm games (aka: I suck at all of them except Hi-Fi Rush haha), but I really loved this video, the way you presented the history of these games was super interested and well scripted and edited!!
All the stuff that happened to O2Jam jumping publishers and getting greedier rereleases over time rings familiar for me as someone who used to play tons of Korean MMOs back in the day, it seems to be quite a common thing in the Korean games industry.
lol wtf that pic of please bully me villainess made me do a double take like three times
I'ved played o2jam since the beginning and there's one thing you might've missed there was a very big exploit back then, you can buy the egames shirt cosmetic for 20 game currency sell it back for 20,000 and you can have infinite amount of in game currency which you can buy songs and very expensive cosmetics that are on par with cash ones iirc that caused the cash items worthless and it was never fixed for a long time. After that the game shut down. It happened in the philippines idk about the other servers.
Aaaaand Overwatch 2 has taken that position LMFAO
I've never seen so many references to yuri manga characters in one video. Also I love the new style of editing in this video, certainly entertaining to watch.
This is gold, there was a time where videos on RUclips use this kind of editing format. Nowadays it's mostly reaction thingy video that rarely brings any value to the original content.
I've only just now watched through the video, but I remember this game was announced and saw the publisher be VALOFE, I feared the worst since I've already had my fair share of bad experiences with the company.
They bought up one of my childhood games Combat Arms from Nexon, and promised they would make a classic version of the game since the playerbase wanted the older version back, since the new version of the game was riddled with power creep on weapons and armor, and just wanted the classic experience back.
They brought the game back, sort of.. they made it a hot pile of garbage, making it even more pay to win than it was when Nexon owned it, who were already notorious for introducing power creep on guns, and worst of all, they brought a 2015 backup of the servers back, while the playerbase of the game was peaking in 2010-2012, players were anticipating a remake of that era, maybe even older.
A bunch of freelance coders that had nostalgia of the game, a huge backlog of the older game engine, lots and LOTS of effort put in to it by a huge community of older players, they had put together an actual 2009 classic version of the game, instead of the "classic" version they released on steam because the older playerbase wants the 2009 version back, it wasn't available to the public, all files were hosted locally through some download links in discord, the discord invites were hard to come by as their blog post about updating the game that contained the discord invite link wasn't easily found on google, and mostly spread through RUclips videos from older content creators that were happy their old game was actually being brought back by a set of motivated developers that played the game in that same era.
At first they opened up a public beta on discord, all was fine, players were flowing into the discord once word got spread around, there weren't even any public servers up yet, just some people hosting local servers on their PC's at home, some people making some videos, and people just stunned that their childhood game was brought back.
Then one night, I wake up, the discord is gone, ALL traces of RUclips videos have been removed, their whole backlog and backups of their engine reworks, modelling and all the hard work put in by all of the developers was just straight up removed, even stuff they remodelled themselves because the old models were lost to time.
Their domain is now expired, and there is a few backups of the website that remain in the wayback machine, the last one has the following message about the shutdown:
Thanks to all those who enjoyed the game for the week we all had it publicly. The discord server has been shutdown (not by us), and all shared public servers and download links have been removed until further notice from this website.
A few suggestions while I'm here:
Don't create Reddit pages to share servers
Don't create discords to share servers
Don't host your own download links
Don't make videos
Don't attack any company involved with the official game
RUclips videos are being DMCA'd for any sort of modding, hacking, or anything pertaining to this project or any modification/hacking of the original game. Private your videos if you have this kind of content.
Doing anything above will cause more harm than good. Let the staff handle it. Thank you.
VALOFE just silenced a bunch of freelance developers taking their time to build a classic version from the ground up, only for it to be completely wiped from existence just a week later, including some mixed files from other projects they were working on too that had nothing to do with the reworked version of the game.
I knew this game was headed this way, but hearing another O2Jam private server was also shut down just hit home a little too close lmao
There is still 1 before and after video up from one of the oldest Combat Arms content creators, it wasn't striked down since it did not contain any footage of the remade game, just talking about the topic. If you're curious, look up "Combat Arms Reborn" on RUclips, and it's the 2 videos made by StiffTheNinja, and the shutdown was talked about "What happened to Combat Arms: R"
As much as I'd like to see both games get fixed up, I know that it won't happen when VALOFE is in charge..
The real gem of this video was "the ceo likes his own posts on LinkedIn"
Clearly they released a completely unfinished product, and their solution was to “”bug fix”” the features in later.
Also I wouldn’t be surprised if the secret to their businesses’s success was “crime” (fraud).
I've literally never heard of this game, but that Air Rally edit was incredible.
valofe is acting of taking the W but is actually taking the L
I saw your tweet about this game so I'm looking forward to the clown town that it is
4:16 touhou hijack lol
Woah is this the first mention of DJMAX on this channel? At least the first time we've heard your views on it I think.
It's such a good game! DJMAX Portable for the PSP is what got me into rhythm games, and I've played every single one, minus the Technika ones for the arcade.
While DJMAX Respect for the PS4 is now neglected, DJMAX Respect V for PC is so damn good! It's the culmination of over a decade of work, and even their new songs are bangers!
But goddamn is it expensive... So much DLC... Still worth it for the base game, IMO!
Imagine a game once ranked as bad on Steam as Overwatch 2.
I'm sorry, they paid for a weekly subscription and were being billed EVERY DAY? *EVERY DAY?*
*7 TIMES THE PRICE THAT WAS STATED?*
I would literally crash the moon into earth if I ever discovered I was being billed 7 times more than what I was intending to pay for. Scratch that, the entire solar system gets to have one big hug pile of absolute AGONY for someone attempting to screw with me on such an absurd level.
As someone who plays 5k with SD JKL I felt attacked at 13:10
Random fact: a song in o2jam was called “Death Moon” by SHK which later on gained a lot of popularity in geometry dash
The algorithm blessed me with this video and your pleasant accent. Interesting video. Love watching videos about old and obscure games.
Overwatch 2 : Hold my beer.
Your accent is so charming❤️
Huh, I always figured that O2jam just died like djmax online because the company no longer supported it. Or they got sued by Konami.
Either way, at least there's EZ2On. Personally I've always been a DJMAX player but can't hurt to have more music games to play.
I didn't expect EK to be involved in the realization of this video, that caught me off guard
i think people hate it because its a direct import of the portable mobile version where a lot of fans expected the great mmo back then
I'm a korean rhythm gamer live in korea, have been playing almost all of rhythm games released in korea since 2000s like Canmusic PUMP O2JAM DJMAX etc, but somehow you showed us amazing amount of knowledge about the industry that a native KR gamer has no idea.... I'm pretty impressed
Can only imagine the pain y'all went through with shut downs but mainly all these greedy monetization of a game before the model got more common.
South korea has so many talented artist and developers, it hurts that korean games industry today is all over the place
@@erzajumeidi blame korea for the entire gaming industry monetization practices of today it stems from shitty korean mmos from mid 2000s
Difference is you are playing games like a normal person, while us autistic idiots make a life and our entire personality out of it. Gg, i hope to be like you
@@erzajumeidi l
Really obscure story in China about O2Jam Online's 'worst game on steam' status:
Prior to O2Jam Online's existence, the worst game on steam has always been a Chinese tabletop multiplayer game 'War of the Three Kingdom' based on a real and massively popular Chinese tabletop game, which has the quality of like 'Monopoly Plus', the multiplayer experience balanced by a toddler, and the level of cashgrab and pay-to-win that is unthinkable even to Genshin gamers. I'm not going in depth on how bad the cashgrab is, but it is bad enough where players can spend up to millions and still have things payable, and hence the Chinese gamer community attempts to 'gatekeep' the game away from kids who played the irl version of the tabletop game or foreign gamers who don't know better, which results in the negative review bomb on that game (usually with different languages, outlining the crimes the game has committed) which serves as a warning, also as a Chinese-only meme.
After O2Jam Online has been released, it has dethroned the Chinese game from being the worst rated game on steam. Being the certified Chinese memesters, some tried to protect the sovereignty of 'War of the Three Kingdom' being the worst game, whom attempted to bombard O2Jam Online with positive reviews while creating alt accounts and re-enabling their thumbs-down streak on that Chinese game to maintain the ratio. If you scroll down the comments on O2Jam Online and find a Chinese comment, 9 out of 10 would be talking about that condemned Chinese tabletop game. O2Jam Online showing 'Mixed' in recent Steam reviews, has been also somewhat influenced by such action from these Chinese gamers.
Now let us send our congratulations to these devoted Chinese memesters. 'War of the Three Kingdom' is back on top (or bottom, depends on how you look at it), for once and hopefully forever.
This is oddly wholesome, never thought I'd say "thank you chinese gatekeepers for your service" but here we are
I ain’t readin ALL AT
I’m joking, I actually read it and I really appreciate you taking the time to educate us on this because I had no clue tbh. Thanks.
as an (ex-)genshin player, genshin is not even the worst of its kind, so it for sure would be unthinkable
its still pretty bad to be fair (gacha is bad by principle), just slightly better than majority
Genshin is not pay to win though? It's amazingly f2p friendly compared to things like FGO
I’m loving the new editing style
I know right?! I love the effort for this editing.
too bad she won't edit like this again in the future but that only means we should do our best to share this video 😀👍
@@shironium why? Is this only a one off thing or something?
@@arcueid3352 it's mentioned on the pinned comment, but it took her too long to finish the video due to the style of editing. a shame, IMO the effort was paid off but yeah if every video she did would take months to do I can see why she'd rather a simpler editing style
@@tutsbrasilio damn, yeah it's a shame
Seems oddly common for these half dead korean games to get juggled around between publishers as they roll away from their original intention and playerbase. This really feels like the logical conclusion to that. A game that has moved so far away from the original that it's just become an unrecognizable corpse of the original game
_feels compelled to mention Mabinogi for some reason_
Theseus game
@@auraguard0212 isn't that game already gone
@@randomperson4198 Uh... I thought I was still getting updates to it, I don't know...
@@auraguard0212 it's still somewhat alive
Never have i ever felt bad for a game mascot. Poor girl deserves better honestly
same
I heard about the o2jam online drama before, but I didn't realise how chaotic the history of the series has been, great editing btw
12:35 There is a similar bug in Bandori, it has to do with languages that use . as a thousands separator and , as a decimal separator and vice versa. If so, on JP, your score gets inflated and the game kicks you out for getting an impossible score. On EN, there is one particular song, Nevereverland, that changes BPM to 206.5 at one point, causing all notes to approach at 10x speed.
you would think that they would keep all the internal calculations in one language and just apply the translator at the end to the text that gets shown to the player
Nevereverland is my favorite cover ingame and it was so funny that I can't even pass it on bugged Easy, it's that hard
No wonder pjseka took off lol
12:32 Yeah, that's me. The reason I have that score is the same bug that someone commented. I live in Argentina, many spanish speaking countries use the Comma as a decimal mark, except some in North and Central America, like Mexico, that use the Point instead.
@@buttsaggington6379 they do -- the issue is with standard library functions for e.g. parsing a string to a floating-point number are locale-sensitive -- on EN the string "206.5" becomes the number 206.5, but on a locale that uses , for decimal separation it becomes the number 2065. normally you're supposed to also give those functions a fixed locale if you're parsing something other than user input, but sometimes people forget or don't know you have to do that.
The KSSN thing wasn't just an O2Jam thing, it was a thing back then for Korea Maplestory (which was already IP blocked) and when people found a way to bypass it, you now must have a Korean phone number to register which is tied to your license and personal identification. Basically they just wanted the servers exclusively for their own people, and I guess games without enough an audience just died out
it wasn't because people found a way to bypass it; it was because using the RRN for services like these were OUTLAWED in 2012.
Sucks when games region lock to go this hard from regions from interacting with each other. Fighting games know this far too common with no crossplay & rollback = dead game in months.
Unsure china is like this but wouldn't pass it by them, but i can just feel the pain from the players having game after game die out.
@@M4TTYN Region locking is the scourge of media everywhere. It’s like the ghost of xenophobia casting a curse on your game consoles or DVDs. There’s quite literally no good reason for region locking, it’s always a polite “fuck you” to foreign audiences.
@@M4TTYNChina is exactly like this, you need a Chinese Social security number to play Crossfire China
@@PanzerTruck yeah the same thing happened with pvz2 chinese which sucks considering it’s just a better game than the international version lol
I would totally be okay with the history section being longer. I love that sort of stuff, rhythm game history is super interesting to me
I've never heard of this game in my life but the video is so entertaining I basically got force fed information about a korean rythm game while I was occupied laughing with the edits.
Lmao same, recommendations are getting wild lately :D
I wanted to see how bad it was but when I ran the game it tried to install what I think is an anticheat, failed, crashed and then watermarked my screen until I uninstalled the game. Complete quality.
I’m enjoying all the yuri panels She is sneaking into these videos
ME TOO!!! lesbians for the win
I noticed that. i kept recognizing the series and was like are they all yuri? heck there are some pretty obscure series there (i think the most obscure i recognized was Please Bully Me Miss Villainess)
@@10001vader Murcielago as well
Someone needs to list as many of the mangas in the video as possible we need them
YESS omg first thing i noticed and im screaming
2:01 Futaba from Persona 5
5:07 voice font of Sans from Undertale
15:57 Hope’s Peak Academy from Danganronpa
Almost all my favorite series in one video followuped lol
also my favorite series ever appeared: bloom into you (yagate Kimi ni naru)
This is the most impressive video edit you have ever done - well done, seriously. I don't even want to think about the amount of edits this went through. O2 Jam has some bangers, not gonna lie...
hope this isn't going to be the end of beloved franchise
I nearly got a heart attack after you said that they are going to have a switch port
my uncle actually used to play o2jam, back in the philippines a few years before i was born (im only 13, almost 14), he used to go to a computer store, and while there he got made fun of by some people for not playing o2jam (presumably they were playing on the stores computers), so he went ahead and downloaded the game, and began playing, ended up becoming one of the best in that area, of course it has been like 16 years for him so some parts might seem fuzzy, i let him play again after i went ahead and downloaded o2mania and all the songs, and due to the extremely long period of not playing, he obviously wasn't all too skilled, but could still play a bit higher than me, for a bit he did play on my computer to play o2mania, with permission of course and i went upstairs and he was playing, and i watched, i remember he also asked if he could play after i was done doing something, and he also played at night like once, after he got back from like the casino, i remember i made a full notepad guiding him to the file. this was only in like 2022 when he started playing for a bit.
edit: edited to be more clear.
I loved the amount of Touhou, Fire Emblem, and BTR! references in this video, 10/10 as always
As a Touhou player, the Touhou images in this video caught me off guard.
Touhou image popups
Sagume 4:16
Nue 9:51
Sagume 10:44
Flandre 11:49
Seija 13:04
Flandre 15:06
Based image decisions
Thanks
I respect and fear you
Its funnier if you translate it
Nice, fellow Touhou fans
@@kisamebalusong4980 average Touhou player honestly, do not fear
Thank u for the excellent video tokaku
I am ABSOLUTELY noticing how much effort you put into the editing on this one, it was amazing and hilarious
The moment I realize I read too much yuri manga that I recognize all the yuri panel in the video...
As a lesbian can also confirm i noticed most of these lol
do you know the one at 7:24 ?
Me omw to watch a 20 minute video essay on something I literally never cared or heard about until this point
I missed you Tokaku, I’m glad you poured the time into editing this. It’s really good.
15:19 isn't that literally illegal since it claims to be a monthly subscription but then bills you daily
12:48 "Is it supposed to be clapping? It sounds like a transformer having an orgasm" © Vinesauce
OW2 exist now
The editing and comedy you had on telling us the story of this what I can so generously call "A corpse so defiled even god dosent know what they originally were" travesty of a game series was so much fun ^^ thanks for suffering the horrors of O2Jam for our amusement
Thank you for the mention! ♥️
Even tho I barely provided help with the game's info 🗿
I really love all the research and work you put into this video! You definitely deserve more for this
O2Jam, Audition and IMVU are like the 3 games couples used to play whenever I go to computer shops back then. Good old days
I mean this is O2Jam from mobile that revived in PC. (But not same with O2Jam U version)
Even I remember the UI was same with the latest mobile version and has 8 APKs (Yes, I remember they have 8 APKs because the devs didn't know how to update song in 1 APK) And I need 8 SUBSCRIPTION to play ALL LOCKED SONG for 8 APKs before Valofe handle 8 volume song in 1 APK
If they revived the old PC one maybe it still get mixed review
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The most baffles until mobile version (correct me If I'm wrong), the old song like Gargoyle 2004 by Sanxion7 (PIU Pro 2 and Fiesta EX got 2009 version) or Go by DM Ashura (got mix by EK for PIU Pro 2) or even Euphorium by DM Ashura (The song only got attention to PIU Infinity)
I mean if you compare the crossover O2Jam song to another rhytm Steam game like Groove Coaster or EZ2ON the song you could purchase AS A DLC and not subscription
It's kinda sad how bad the so called "O2Jam Online" by VALOFE. Even further how badly it is treated toward people's who actually love the old O2Jam who try to maintain those private server for years now by making them shutdown the server. How in the world even they get a hold O2Jam in first place just plain suck but I guess business is business after all. Wish there will be one day when there's an actual remake of O2Jam Online on PC version that actually inspired well as how it was while using modern game engine by standard nowadays or even better a game that actually not o2jam but much better while holding those elements make o2jam what it was in past which actually do better job making such game. Oh well.
Good video btw. Very well constructed information so far. I enjoyed it so far :)
The editing on this one is wild lmao. I knew nothing about O2Jam coming into this video and now I know how wild it all is.
Praying for this video's success so that we can get edited videos like this for the future🙏
Tbh, if 02jam u didn't exist. We wouldn't have that hit animation for YUGEN mania skin
I used to play O2Jam for a long time ever since it came here in Malaysia. I loved the soundtrack and the community I was part of, both online and offline. It's sad to see how its full history turned out to be till now. I've already said my piece in my Steam review but I'll say it again: Please pack your bags and move to other rhythm games that do a much better job as this; such as DJMAX, SDVX, Arcaea, etc.
On a side note, I think when the original developers (O2Media) sold out the game, they went on to make Krazy Rain. Needless to say; that game, too, is long gone in a similar fashion. I have no idea what happened to it or its history.
i remember your ign i used to play with you in o2v3 or angeljam
Overwatch 2 : finally, a worthy opponent, our battle WILL BE LEGENDARY
Fuck watching this video broke my heart. O2Jam is one of the first online game i played back in 2000s here in Indonesia. It is my beloved childhood game that i still played last year via O2Mania.
Knowing their situation really makes me sad. I still remember back then there's no Guild system on the game itself but people making their own Guild on O2Jam forum and from there friendships and rivalries formed. I remember 1 times playing on O2Jam competition and just get demolished because i brought wrong keyboard that i can't press 7 buttons at the same time lol.
I really got so many good memories from this game. I'm sure hope someday we'll got a good official O2Jam server running. Not some cash grabs like it now.
Cheers, Luxoria from Indonesian server back then.
12:00 it's like they added the Bluetooth lag without the use of Bluetooth
I think this video is proof that any topic no matter how obscure or niche can be extremely entertaining to watch with enough ADHD editing for satisfying the most Adderall deficient children. Jokes aside, absolutely amazing video and the editing is superb. I'm definitely looking forward to more videos from you.
Recommendation works well today because it gifted me this gem. Editing is fun, voice is nice to hear, video isn't boring at all.
Overall I am glad that I found this channel and this video. Looking forward to seeing more content from you :D
BRING BACK O2MO!!! ;-;
this is the most cursed game I've ever seen. which is a shame because the original game looks pretty good
The thumbnail looks like ai art
14:47 would be hilarious if it was Bad to the bone's guitar
Korean dev destroy their own well establish games because they are too hot hard headed is slowly become a norm.
"But what if I told you it gets worse"
*LoL ad starts playing*
Dear god
12:43 I died laughing at how horrible it was 🤣
This is one hell of a history to a game. I dunno if it's the craziest story out there but my goodness. I especially lost it at O2Mania's update just a year later. The dev of that program trolled that game's devs hard.
I only knew O2Jam from Pump it up and that's it
wow this editing is crazy i love it
Primo manga selections, anyone who reps Murcielago, Suzuki Senpai, and Bloom into You in the same video is a winner in my book.
I lob bloom into you
Music game veteran here. I got this game during early access on Steam and it was my fastest refund I've ever made.
And on another note: These subscription models are absolutely toxic. I prefer DLC packs. Even worse if you have to buy songs AND sub. What kinda BS is that (I'm looking at you Konami)
i was so excited for this to hit steam but as soon as it released i was like NOPE. there's just better options now. though i do wish some company would release a rhythm game with fun avatars to collect clothes and stuff for, i just LOVE that shit and miss it.
we have enough time to talk about how ez2dj/on refuses to die
Feels bad when a game lost their original player base
Nonetheless, great vid, there’s quite the abundant amount of yuri mangas in this vid that I enjoyed reading
The mascot of the new O2JAM looks like a cheap copy of the mascot from Hachi Hachi. God, I miss that game.
As a former player of that game, I agree. She looks too similar to Hachiko (Hachi mascot).
Jesus christ...how did you even get so much footage from so long ago to make this video? That's amazing...as an old o2jam player much respect to you, I can't even get my head around how you were able to gather so much footage from that far back to make this video. Amazing job, this is like an o2jam documentary the way you shared so much information about the history of o2jam and you help bring things like o2 mania and dj max to a much bigger audience.
Who could’ve guessed that big companies keep releasing piss poor products because they keep being paid to do so… at least we have small/indie studios releasing quality games for us to play
Even robeats is way better than this lmao 💀
as a filipino, that emote reactions in 15:42 is exquisite.
(edit: particularly that tangina mo lmao)
Loved the editing lol
And as as a touhou fan i can feel for decades long games that was a huge relevant at the time
Why paying the O2Jam Online subscription when you can pay for Pizza Tower with just 20 dollars
as a seo taiji fan who played o2jam, he didn't got actually paid anymore because the servers closed back in 2009 and the revenue he was about to get was pretty big and it's a shame considering the fact that if it wasn't him kpop wouldn't be as he is the godfather of kpop
Let's do a poll. What is the worst rythem game? Choices: o2jam osu fnf some other one
I have 0 interest in rhythm games so I have no idea why I clicked on it.
me 15:30 later: oh god, how does it get worse?
13:26 Bruh that's how I play 5 key
17:00 >$3.5bn valuation
>$10.8m annual revenue
Please make it make sense
14:06 Infinite like glitch
VALOFE RUINED MY FAVORITE MMORPG (riders of icarus) AND I HATE THEM.
that is all goodbye