新加坡總統聊新加坡和中國 BBC主持人幽默中帶傲慢?! 中國女孩試問西方瘋狂另類民主生活?!【國際360】20240320

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  • Опубликовано: 13 янв 2025

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  • @tboyz6442
    @tboyz6442 10 месяцев назад +622

    This gentleman from Singapore is a true politician and he has my utmost respect.

    • @limrosemary8536
      @limrosemary8536 10 месяцев назад +57

      He is Singapore's President now

    • @Black_Sun_Dark_Star
      @Black_Sun_Dark_Star 10 месяцев назад +24

      He would have been our Prime Minister, if the public have any say

    • @Eyy7072
      @Eyy7072 9 месяцев назад +7

      Statesman!!

    • @tboyz6442
      @tboyz6442 9 месяцев назад

      Statesman, exactly👍@@Eyy7072

    • @joejojo4805
      @joejojo4805 9 месяцев назад +7

      @@Black_Sun_Dark_Star he might not want to be the PM, even though i would love to have him as the PM.

  • @赛君周
    @赛君周 10 месяцев назад +1438

    新加坡的体制不是为了让西方感觉舒服的,它是为了服务新加坡。

    • @cerruti1881au
      @cerruti1881au 9 месяцев назад +114

      要是让西方舒服的话,新加坡就完了。

    • @winpintan8006
      @winpintan8006 9 месяцев назад

      无疑目的是要成为它的附庸,司马昭之心,人尽皆知。​@@cerruti1881au

    • @yijunshen9287
      @yijunshen9287 9 месяцев назад +91

      这个主持人,满口小国小国,哪来的自信

    • @chrislakatos7239
      @chrislakatos7239 9 месяцев назад +29

      @@cerruti1881au菲律宾就是个例子。。

    • @铁刘-w7n
      @铁刘-w7n 9 месяцев назад +13

      菲律宾比新加坡大太多了,没有可比性

  • @seanhoo109
    @seanhoo109 10 месяцев назад +429

    我现在知道为什么新加坡可以发展的这么好,看看他们领导人的知识智慧水平之高,更重要的是有谦卑,包容,跟时刻都怀着不断前进做出改变之心,最重要是会为人民着想服务。而不是那些自以为曾经拥有很高成就,就目中无人,膨胀,自认为自己成功的那套模式就永远最好的国家可以比拟的。拥有如此特质的人,就算在厉害,终有一天也会败在自己的自大里。

    • @kongcheongshu4921
      @kongcheongshu4921 9 месяцев назад +16

      And there is very little corruption. All the leaders are doing the best for the country.

    • @user-pg5rt7ju4f
      @user-pg5rt7ju4f 9 месяцев назад

      citizens of Singapore are sensible & better educated than most places.
      "freedom of speech" aatted by foreign ngo's, gave rise to 2019 in HK.
      About the election in previous years : it's garbage elected garbage ; majority of voters were qualified but without the most basic qualities.

    • @tszkitchan5687
      @tszkitchan5687 9 месяцев назад +3

      但現在目中無人,自大的人曾經也是謙卑,包容的人,希望新加坡人在這方面可以持續下去,之前遇到一些新加坡人都有點囂張了,可能他有點錢吧😂

    • @yte-out7114
      @yte-out7114 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@kongcheongshu4921 One of Singapore's strengths is its small size, which is easy to manage and not conducive to corruption

    • @huggybear441
      @huggybear441 9 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@tszkitchan5687肤浅逻辑,笑死没钱赔。。! 🤣🤣

  • @bigdream6020
    @bigdream6020 10 месяцев назад +498

    When you have leaders like this, your country is bound to succeed. SINGAPORE, KEEP IT UP... VERY PROUD OF YOU.

  • @qiankoondadao9405
    @qiankoondadao9405 10 месяцев назад +299

    We Singaporean are proud of you Mr Tharman , our deepest respect for you 😊😊Great president of Singapore 💯💯💯💯

    • @CHOBIUPERJAMES-ie3vy
      @CHOBIUPERJAMES-ie3vy 8 месяцев назад +1

      不会吧?!这就是你们现在的总统吗?!厉害了新加坡。

    • @alexchan4074
      @alexchan4074 8 месяцев назад

      @@CHOBIUPERJAMES-ie3vy 哎。其实可以试试总理的。总统有点屈才了。至少我认为这样

  • @richardlee251
    @richardlee251 10 месяцев назад +1187

    這個BBC的主持人很讓人討厭⋯⋯標準的西方傲慢無禮

    • @tennas
      @tennas 9 месяцев назад +68

      那個主持人只是在做人家要他做的事😅雖然看得出來他跟一般西方政治政客一樣。。。發表言論前沒做功課也沒用腦。😂

    • @alancheung4524
      @alancheung4524 9 месяцев назад +42

      Agree, especially with his annoying socks.

    • @FatmanQQ
      @FatmanQQ 9 месяцев назад +82

      主持人教养很差 。

    • @Humorousguy64
      @Humorousguy64 9 месяцев назад +3

      有他发出这些问题是不错的

    • @tennas
      @tennas 9 месяцев назад +12

      @@Humorousguy64 的確。沒有他。新加坡總統的發言會很沉悶。不會得到那麼多笑場。😁

  • @gracekim9916
    @gracekim9916 9 месяцев назад +11

    新加坡的成功靠的是智慧,团结,谦卑!

  • @zyzhang7341
    @zyzhang7341 9 месяцев назад +74

    看过新加坡的几位领导人演讲和访谈,他们都让人尊敬,睿智,理智

  • @kateowyongsg
    @kateowyongsg 10 месяцев назад +541

    I'm a Singaporean and I'm proud of my country achievement and society harmony. I enjoy the public transport system, I stay in a flat that I can afford and I enjoy the varieties of food available in Singapore. I feel safe even when I return home at mid nite. I had my overseas holiday 1-2 times a year. We can express our thought freely and we fully aware that riot and boycott are not to our advantage. We prefer to discuss it and find solutions. We enjoy the freedom, efficient management and safe society...and I call it my home, Singapore.

    • @MrJermson
      @MrJermson 10 месяцев назад +31

      @PeterCheung-qx2si I rather have all those good stuff than rather have the ability to express my thought freely but without these good stuff.

    • @Buttercookies0
      @Buttercookies0 10 месяцев назад +23

      @PeterCheung-qx2si What kind of thoughts you are thinking about that cannot be express freely?

    • @JT4592
      @JT4592 10 месяцев назад +30

      @PeterCheung-qx2siU are educated person? 😂😂😂

    • @fastzone
      @fastzone 10 месяцев назад +50

      ​@PeterCheung-qx2sipeople are responsible for their actions and if the speech is false and without merits, why can't the other party take legal action? This is the personal responsibility that we uphold. Free speech is not free per se.

    • @JT4592
      @JT4592 10 месяцев назад +16

      @PeterCheung-qx2si hahaha… stop emphasising that and be a civilized and educated person.

  • @helenapeace-T
    @helenapeace-T 9 месяцев назад +235

    Wow This Singaporean man gave an intelligent answers. Very respectful gentleman. 👏👏

    • @katpatjj
      @katpatjj 9 месяцев назад +14

      Our President of Singapore!

    • @mail4500-bx9lb
      @mail4500-bx9lb 9 месяцев назад +7

      Not all presidents are like this. In fact most aren't even a fraction of this.

    • @Tkcool-m342go
      @Tkcool-m342go 4 месяца назад

      ​@@katpatjj❤president of Singapore

  • @cteetan6031
    @cteetan6031 10 месяцев назад +234

    This has become a classic interview. It was 9 years ago in 2015, the year LKY passed on. We will continue to do well post LKY seeing Mr Tharman astuteness on this world stage.
    This interview has being reposted across many countries over the years. Personally I have watched it several times, each time in full, including this one.
    Mr Tharman is now our President, elected by an overwhelming majority of over 70%.
    We did not reach where we are today by chance. We vote for leaders of high calibre and qualities, not self-interested politicians.

    • @何佩霞-r6d
      @何佩霞-r6d 9 месяцев назад +8

      👏👏👏

    • @huggybear441
      @huggybear441 9 месяцев назад

      What? This was nine years ago?

    • @jojokong3128
      @jojokong3128 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@huggybear441 是的。我是中国人。这个视频我很多年前就看过了。到现在再看比以前更加精彩,因为,评价别人的国家们正在逐一落幕。而新加坡则继续精彩的走着自己的路。

  • @Dipdipsnow
    @Dipdipsnow 10 месяцев назад +494

    We don’t need the freedom that will bring harm and hurt to our country and people. No need to please the people who don’t understand us.

  • @teddylee3465
    @teddylee3465 9 месяцев назад +180

    新加坡總理真棒。腦筋快,學問廣博。怪不得新加坡是亞洲最成功的國家。佩服。新加坡人努力。

    • @最高峰-v6b
      @最高峰-v6b 9 месяцев назад +15

      他現在已經是新加坡高票(75%)當選的總統

    • @gunlunlu6953
      @gunlunlu6953 9 месяцев назад +11

      他是總統不是總理!新加坡總理是李顯龍。新加坡是總統和總理同時存在的。

    • @最高峰-v6b
      @最高峰-v6b 9 месяцев назад +9

      @@gunlunlu6953 新加坡總統管國庫,總理管國政。

    • @japleonardyapeter7943
      @japleonardyapeter7943 8 месяцев назад +5

      对,他是在二0二三年九月份当選總統的。
      訪問期間他還是新加坡第二副總理。

    • @miaoyutantony5412
      @miaoyutantony5412 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@gunlunlu6953以前是副总理。😂

  • @KatJade269
    @KatJade269 9 месяцев назад +382

    I’m a Singaporean and in my 60s now. I never consider that I’m living under an authoritarian government. I rather have safety, etc than the so-called freedom that the West advocates.

    • @averysim7709
      @averysim7709 9 месяцев назад +18

      Yeah, we gave up freedom for ONE for freedom for ALL. And end up with true freedom because everyone is considerate for everyone to a certain extend.

    • @joincoffee9383
      @joincoffee9383 9 месяцев назад +1

      Do you dare to criticize Li Xianlong openly? If not, is that what you called safety?

    • @averysim7709
      @averysim7709 9 месяцев назад

      @@joincoffee9383 ridiculous clown, why do we need to criticise him when our lives are infinitely better than those in the west? Pariah lifestyle, homeless and drug addicts on your streets. Im sad you insulted me, let me cry in my Mercedes that I bought recently that will never be robbed. Boo hoo 🤣

    • @zjc5671
      @zjc5671 9 месяцев назад +3

      自由与安全矛盾吗?难道你生活在一个监狱?

    • @blankspace1126
      @blankspace1126 9 месяцев назад

      @@joincoffee9383they aren’t petty as you are. The Singaporean government is extremely competent and diligent. Your government in the west are so lazy that you need your own people to knock on their head and tell them what’s wrong and you are proud of that😂😂😂😂

  • @李珍妮-s8x
    @李珍妮-s8x 10 месяцев назад +150

    新加坡總統指出的重點就是政府要有問責的制度

  • @livetill7136
    @livetill7136 10 месяцев назад +377

    幾乎十年前的視頻,新加坡的這段訪談不斷被提起,為什麼呢?因為新加坡的政治領袖言行一致,說的話經得起考驗。

    • @当你相信时
      @当你相信时 10 месяцев назад

      也不太一致。。但最起码不像西方那样双标到无耻的地步。

    • @jeny7177
      @jeny7177 9 месяцев назад +12

      Oh! But watching it in 2024 and Mr Tharman is SG President

    • @wsmh2274
      @wsmh2274 9 месяцев назад +14

      難怪。。我就奇怪一個主持人罷了憑什麼翹著二郎腿和一位先進國家的總統談時事?!

    • @leecm4418
      @leecm4418 9 месяцев назад

      任凭他们的。。高傲 !
      @@wsmh2274

    • @曹俊文
      @曹俊文 9 месяцев назад +9

      Support Mr Tharman

  • @古拙訥叟
    @古拙訥叟 10 месяцев назад +258

    This host is very rude, no manner, keep interrupting ! Minister Tharman is so gentlement, patient and not annoyed.

    • @pjpororo323
      @pjpororo323 9 месяцев назад

      If I may politely correct...He is already the President now

    • @fannyalbi9040
      @fannyalbi9040 9 месяцев назад +2

      if i were invited as a guest by the west, i would remind the host has he forgotten the sacred of guest’s right and i don’t think u wannabe cursed by the guest’s right?

    • @albertgoh2054
      @albertgoh2054 3 месяца назад +2

      Yes, the host was very rude and domineering looking down thinking my President can be swallowed by his whims and fancies.
      He has forgotten or don't even have that basic courteously to host a symposium of this level. He even cut off an Indian participant.
      He talked too much wasting a lot of time, thus rushing for time to keep the session on time.
      He is an utter nonsense and a poor representation of whoever was from.
      Mr. Host, come Singapore and you will have lots to learn from we Singaporeans.

  • @summerchina6568
    @summerchina6568 9 месяцев назад +110

    This interview happened in 2015 and it's now 2024. Just look at the facts. Singapore continued to prosper. None of what the BBC reporter tried to suggest might happen to Singapore actually happened. On the other hand, UK definitely became worse. As Tharman said - humility is good. Learn from others. Don't keep thinking the west has all the answers and everyone else embrace your ideologies.

  • @楊森君
    @楊森君 10 месяцев назад +260

    故作幽默,不尊重來賓發言的沒教養主持人

    • @alanliew3219
      @alanliew3219 9 месяцев назад +9

      有些人在努力进步 有些人在努力退化😂

    • @华夏复兴不可挡
      @华夏复兴不可挡 7 месяцев назад

      西方媒体人的一贯作风,“我只想听我想要的结果,你的回答不重要,反正最后还要剪辑”

  • @danielkhong1980
    @danielkhong1980 9 месяцев назад +49

    His Excellency Mr Tharman is such a learned person and highly qualified for his position in the Singapore government 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @yuanwang8658
    @yuanwang8658 9 месяцев назад +222

    新加坡的精英不管是华人还是印度人,都很优秀,牛逼👍

    • @wyz9815
      @wyz9815 9 месяцев назад +17

      只有在中华文化下,各种人民才能真正被尊重。

    • @city-freeman
      @city-freeman 9 месяцев назад +6

      @@wyz9815非我族類 其心必異😂😂😂

    • @emhgarlyyeung
      @emhgarlyyeung 9 месяцев назад +19

      ​@@city-freeman这句是人间至理名言,不过新加坡做到了把不同族裔的人民在同一环境统一教育下,变成了同一族,新加坡族,所以他们的心是大致上同一个方向的。中国的56个民族也是同理。

    • @ndtt4081
      @ndtt4081 9 месяцев назад +14

      ​@@wyz9815倒不必说在中华文化下,我感觉新加坡是务实理性的,对政治经济文化有自己独到的见解,不会拘泥于某种特定文化,合理有用才会考虑用

    • @DL-ri2ps
      @DL-ri2ps 9 месяцев назад

      新加坡这个社区住房政策很牛逼。我觉得像西方国家很多黑人社区和白人社区以及华人社区,就会导致各族裔的仇视,好的更好,烂的就更烂。

  • @heesingsia4634
    @heesingsia4634 10 месяцев назад +107

    Mr. Tharman has my utmost respect after watching this video. I hate it that we don't have any politicians at his level here in Malaysia

    • @miaoyutantony5412
      @miaoyutantony5412 9 месяцев назад +5

      新加坡的开国政府内阁只有一个在新加坡出世,其他的九个内阁都是马来西亚出来的😅。

    • @emhgarlyyeung
      @emhgarlyyeung 9 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@miaoyutantony5412但是都在新加坡发展,变成新加坡人了,老鹰在鸡窝出世,始终还是老鹰,一旦觉醒了就会高飞。

    • @christinekoh4420
      @christinekoh4420 9 месяцев назад +6

      近朱者赤近墨者黑。就是这么简单。​@@miaoyutantony5412

    • @sarahtan826
      @sarahtan826 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@miaoyutantony5412meritocracy mah.

    • @sarahtan826
      @sarahtan826 9 месяцев назад +2

      We are often thought to be too serious. No choice to be serious because we do not want to be bullied. We cannot Relax like what PM Anwar said.😅😂 we're so tiny with zero natural resources! Come over and see for yourself😂

  • @chynchwen1117
    @chynchwen1117 9 месяцев назад +35

    I watched this clip before. Every time I watch it again and want to thank Singapore Government. They are really doing a good job. Thank you Singapore !

  • @chunglamchan4996
    @chunglamchan4996 10 месяцев назад +432

    主持人的輕浮傲慢真令人作嘔,這反應出西方人的自大和無知😢

    • @jimmylim736
      @jimmylim736 10 месяцев назад +3

      八十年代时就以领教过了!还不是被弟兄们打得个个头破血流。一个字。。。爽!

    • @诚聘板主
      @诚聘板主 9 месяцев назад +2

      比中國强制驅趕關押記者強。

    • @ragnarokws2670
      @ragnarokws2670 9 месяцев назад

      ​​@@诚聘板主牧洋犬真听话 😂😂

    • @猴子zzz
      @猴子zzz 9 месяцев назад +22

      @@诚聘板主 呸,中國强制驅離跟關押的100%不能稱爲記者。

    • @诚聘板主
      @诚聘板主 9 месяцев назад

      @@猴子zzz 所以央視不是記者,你不知道北京地鐵22號綫地盤街舖大爆炸釀34死傷央視記者採訪遭驅趕嗎?

  • @nonoyesyes4272
    @nonoyesyes4272 9 месяцев назад +38

    我為新加坡政府點👍贊贊贊贊贊贊贊贊贊🎉

  • @AirFrankie
    @AirFrankie 9 месяцев назад +46

    羨慕新加坡有這樣的政府!

  • @宏鄰陳-l2b
    @宏鄰陳-l2b 10 месяцев назад +62

    一開始的住宅說明, 其實要有心, 見地, 遠見, 追求根源性的社會和諧, 從小地小孩的根源根本做起! 執事者的洞悉與遠見與不受影響的執行力! 左鄰右舍一起就是國家原型的社會, 住家互動就是類似國家各人種的互動。 從小讀書就在一起, 從小就是同儕 ,同梯, 學長弟, 鄰居, 朋友, 互相了解, 認識相處, 不會見膚色不同, 未見過不了解就害怕。 政府提供大家一個公平機會,有努力付出代價者得到大家貢獻上的支持, 沒有白吃白喝, 盡自己的本分!

  • @therover65
    @therover65 10 месяцев назад +102

    It is very telling we are a meritocracy when in a majority Chinese society, ethnically-Indian Tharman is so popular that many Chinese Singaporeans wanted him for the Prime Minister position.

    • @FT-od4xv
      @FT-od4xv 9 месяцев назад +3

      We must be clearheaded to vote on merit not colour 🎉

    • @yanc6727
      @yanc6727 8 месяцев назад +2

      Well, we didn't get him as prime minister... But I'm happy to settle with him as President 😇

    • @junSmith
      @junSmith 7 месяцев назад +3

      wong is also a wise man. singapore is so lucky to have so many wise leadera

  • @borisguo1762
    @borisguo1762 10 месяцев назад +317

    主持人轻浮傲慢的姿态

    • @sewlan2010
      @sewlan2010 10 месяцев назад +35

      不停打断,插嘴,自以为是

    • @moneytsien
      @moneytsien 10 месяцев назад +34

      洋大人的高傲

    • @aijunwang7301
      @aijunwang7301 10 месяцев назад +28

      坐的姿势就非常没有教养!新加坡总统,被人轻贱了。

    • @Asian-Fashion-Channel
      @Asian-Fashion-Channel 10 месяцев назад +29

      確實如此,形容猥瑣、舉止輕佻,還套著一雙不合時宜的難看紅襪子,當真令人反感

    • @ctbaseventure
      @ctbaseventure 9 месяцев назад +15

      ​@@aijunwang7301​他的坐姿非常傲慢,不尊重新加坡总统

  • @ddjchoi
    @ddjchoi 9 месяцев назад +87

    新加坡人才輩出,個個口才了得,政府高層唯才是任。祝新國更上一層樓!

  • @bigdream6020
    @bigdream6020 10 месяцев назад +202

    Journalist like this guy should not be respected when he thought what he believes is the best

    • @fastzone
      @fastzone 10 месяцев назад +20

      ​@PeterCheung-qx2sithere's personal responsibility of speech. There's consequences of action if the speech is false and without merits.

    • @skychaos87
      @skychaos87 10 месяцев назад

      @PeterCheung-qx2si There is no such thing as freedom of speech in any part of the world. Even in UK people get jailed for comments they make on social media. In fact, nothing is free in this world. What matters is giving people a good living standard and conditions. And to achieve that by sensible management and control. Like law and order that is fair. Western countries especially the more liberal ones that lost the balance of fair laws see increase in crime rates, infant mortality, police brutality etc.. you name it. Yes, their press are "freer", but at what cost? Live and let live, if you truly believe in freedom of choice then let other countries do their own thing, have their own system. Countries that do well will progress and countries that don't will see the lost of talents moving out of it. Fact is that more and more westerners that have explored the world begins to migrate and move out of their own country.

    • @livethiswayTV
      @livethiswayTV 9 месяцев назад

      ​@PeterCheung-qx2sidepends on your definition of free speech. If you consider free speech as disseminating false information, no we don't have free speech. We don't want fake news.

    • @shadowj3311
      @shadowj3311 9 месяцев назад

      ​@PeterCheung-qx2si People who said this is those who never understand the definition of freedom of speech .

    • @bigdream6020
      @bigdream6020 9 месяцев назад +6

      @PeterCheung-qx2si freedom of having a good and decent life is more important to most people. Freedom of speech is
      for those who cannot have a good life in the prevailing system.

  • @TtTt-mq5ub
    @TtTt-mq5ub 10 месяцев назад +69

    李光耀先生真切了並成功推行了"非以役人乃役於人"的儒家學說。

    • @ttann266
      @ttann266 9 месяцев назад +3

      Well said

    • @victorzv
      @victorzv 9 месяцев назад

      真的太开化了 体量小真的可以加速发展 很快成为先锋队

    • @CHOBIUPERJAMES-ie3vy
      @CHOBIUPERJAMES-ie3vy 8 месяцев назад

      你这条底下英语回复肯定少……这句话精辟!

    • @77626C
      @77626C 6 месяцев назад

      想到大陆相当多的人批判儒家为腐朽,真感悲哀!

    • @McnkfnkRjdmljd
      @McnkfnkRjdmljd 5 месяцев назад

      ⁠@@77626C那我们应该纠正他

  • @rayyoung9934
    @rayyoung9934 9 месяцев назад +39

    I love this leader from Singapore, perhaps one of the best leader after Mr LKY

  • @user-xp7os6jn7x
    @user-xp7os6jn7x 8 месяцев назад +59

    好欣賞這位現任新加坡總統的優秀政治家,不卑不亢的論述和回應主持人的問題,同時又能夠替自己的國家辯護和解釋。

  • @Elcapitano00001
    @Elcapitano00001 9 месяцев назад +36

    im so glad to have mr tharman to be my president.

  • @邱昌勝-o7n
    @邱昌勝-o7n 10 месяцев назад +368

    沒有水平的主持人
    只是抹黑他國的一個小,""**而已

    • @yanggongzi
      @yanggongzi 10 месяцев назад +17

      稱讚是工作,鄙視是生活,他裡外不一。

    • @philiplee4860
      @philiplee4860 10 месяцев назад +15

      主持人說星加坡是小國完全沒有錯!世界上那麼多大國、小國, 但為什麼這個小國勝過這麼多大小國家?這是他要求聽眾思考的地方。

    • @tsenfanyuen1052
      @tsenfanyuen1052 10 месяцев назад +35

      这个主持人一向都是如此,偏执,但又读书不够,阅历不够,只看世界的片面,也只看见他自己国家的片面,否定别人的意见,拒绝聆听别人的意见,很糟糕!

    • @carlol4590
      @carlol4590 9 месяцев назад +15

      自以為能帶節奏( 風向 ) 的主持人 ! 😅( 自戀又傲慢 )
      總統都提點多次 >>資訊時代訊息爆炸 .

    • @蔡日文-w5n
      @蔡日文-w5n 9 месяцев назад

      如果新加坡大。说他小那是抹黑,如果小说他小是陈述事实

  • @dextergoh96
    @dextergoh96 9 месяцев назад +58

    新加坡的体制是为了服务新加坡人, 为什么要让西方感觉舒服? 😁

  • @Charles_Sun
    @Charles_Sun 10 месяцев назад +304

    一个智商50的主持人和一个智商130的嘉宾的对话

    • @Venus0728
      @Venus0728 9 месяцев назад +12

      我们现任总统最棒

    • @szedance
      @szedance 9 месяцев назад +3

      so true!

    • @Fiona20238
      @Fiona20238 9 месяцев назад +1

      还是谦虚点吧。别丢我们的脸。

    • @lumsaihong4584
      @lumsaihong4584 9 месяцев назад +2

      50都没有😂😂😂

    • @iskycom
      @iskycom 9 месяцев назад +4

      而且还自以为高人一等,甚是可笑。

  • @陈华宏
    @陈华宏 10 месяцев назад +43

    👍 🇸🇬 新加坡 +1 🈶

  • @enlee3256
    @enlee3256 10 месяцев назад +192

    沒風度的主持人,中國人問就打斷回問

    • @joycelee1807
      @joycelee1807 9 месяцев назад +1

      问那些有的没的,谁要理你?

    • @猴子zzz
      @猴子zzz 9 месяцев назад +27

      @@joycelee1807 真可笑,你不爱听的就是有的没的。

    • @you_ling
      @you_ling 9 месяцев назад

      事实是只要一提到中国,就会导致所有问题的关注焦点,都会转移到中国身上。这次访问的重点是新加坡的问题,主持人只是不想转移问题的焦点。

    • @weiningtang1373
      @weiningtang1373 9 месяцев назад +5

      不敢提中国问题,是一种不自信的表现

    • @猴子zzz
      @猴子zzz 9 месяцев назад +13

      @@you_ling 只看这一集,好像你说的这样特别有道理,但事实就是BBC的各个主持人长期一贯性的在任何节目都喜欢打断任何人对中国的真实评价,你这种单次论调根本站不住脚。

  • @chunkongtan8626
    @chunkongtan8626 10 месяцев назад +189

    说到自由,西方实质奉行的是资本自由但披上民主外衣,而新加坡的自由则是社会(公共)自由!

    • @eddiewu3287
      @eddiewu3287 9 месяцев назад +19

      而且这个资本自由是单向的,只能西方盟国之间向发展中国家流动,有一天一个大块头出现,甚至某些技术超过他们,进入他们市场时候,他们会说这是国家安全😂

    • @cherryli5097
      @cherryli5097 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@eddiewu3287, that is it.

    • @averysim7709
      @averysim7709 9 месяцев назад +4

      Yeah, we gave up freedom for ONE for freedom for ALL. And end up with true freedom because everyone is considerate for everyone to a certain extend.

    • @khtay8731
      @khtay8731 9 месяцев назад +2

      Avery.., Very well Described 🇸🇬👍

    • @sarahtan826
      @sarahtan826 9 месяцев назад

      说得好!

  • @albertgoh2054
    @albertgoh2054 3 месяца назад +6

    Mr. Tharman,
    You are doing very well. Everything you said were very well spoken. You were above all despite the host is trying very much to corner and undermined what you said. Your presence of mind and spontaneous response is superb. We are very proud of you as our President.
    Majullah !!! 💪💪💪👊🤜🤛🤝👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @tohkianhoe2592
    @tohkianhoe2592 10 месяцев назад +139

    今天的英国,恐怕已经嚣张不起来了。

    • @kpwong6600
      @kpwong6600 10 месяцев назад +21

      嚣張不起來,還是要嚣張。除了刷存在感外, 還有什麽本事?

    • @jimmy59tw
      @jimmy59tw 9 месяцев назад +10

      請把恐怕這兩個字拿掉吧!

    • @shengshuyu9778
      @shengshuyu9778 9 месяцев назад +10

      英国会抱着美国大腿嚣张

    • @carlol4590
      @carlol4590 9 месяцев назад +10

      英國人多數依然如此 傲慢囂張 ! ! . 好比某個 "街頭彈琴" 的博主 ! 😆

    • @猴子zzz
      @猴子zzz 9 месяцев назад +6

      这视频快10年前的了,但BCC还是那个BBC,无所谓的,嘴上还是这样,毕竟他们有女王呢,哦不,女王已经没了,有国王呢。

  • @peterchen952
    @peterchen952 10 месяцев назад +44

    So much respect to Mr. Shanmugaratnam. Every country has its own system that works for their government but the west like U.S/the West like preach others that their system works better than yours.

  • @rogerlim6065
    @rogerlim6065 9 месяцев назад +35

    The host is very rude to disrupt his guest speech. And his body posture just shows how arrogant and bias his questions will be. His mindset still remains in the time when Spore is still colonial state of British Empire. Looking back at this interview, we know very well that Spore has made the correct path for our future.

  • @DrPrag
    @DrPrag 10 месяцев назад +83

    Singapore is the best role model for the West to learn how the government successfully stabilizes its society and enables its people living in harmony. Rather, the host is the prime example of majority western people never realize their own failures and change themselves, they only know to criticize one who have been making excellent results may be due to jealousy. It is a shame that the West continues to act in such way for decades with no change. These countries have already shown declines in last two decades and they don’t see as wake-up calls yet.

    • @Tungku66
      @Tungku66 9 месяцев назад +1

      The same thing applies To Hong Kongers when they are criticized.

    • @wanpingchan8362
      @wanpingchan8362 5 месяцев назад

      Yes, westerners cannot accept failure, you can see the host brush out the comments on china. He is saying China concentrates on being accountable but the host doesn't want to hear it.

    • @wanpingchan8362
      @wanpingchan8362 5 месяцев назад

      Singapore does a good job but the host keeps attacking the Singapore system.

    • @wanpingchan8362
      @wanpingchan8362 5 месяцев назад

      What westerners do, destroy their system, destroy their politics, destroy economy.

  • @王國禎-g2g
    @王國禎-g2g 8 месяцев назад +19

    總統先生,很有智慧,令人尊敬!

  • @simonez9197
    @simonez9197 9 месяцев назад +21

    Proud to have a DPM (at that time) that is so knowledgeable and eloquent in his delivery when on an International stage. We'll not be where we are now if not for LKY and his ppl.

  • @veekwok5611
    @veekwok5611 9 месяцев назад +33

    As to the host's last question whether Singapore will lose out to many emerging Asian countries on foreign investments and interest, Mr. Tharman got it right that Singapore's strength is it has always strives on competitions from other countries. Many people years ago had doubts that Singapore will continue to develop and prosper but it has. This symposium was hosted in 2015 and almost 10 years later, Singapore is still a magnet for foreign investments, albeit these are the value-added industries and services. Singapore with good and intelligent government will continue to thrive.

  • @yphui7576
    @yphui7576 9 месяцев назад +26

    This gentleman is now the elected President of Singapore. We are proud of him 💪

  • @jennyaxelbraucher9011
    @jennyaxelbraucher9011 9 месяцев назад +10

    We, the citizens of Singapore, pledge ourselves as one united people, regardless of race, language or religion, to build a democratic society based on justice and equality so as to achieve happiness, prosperity and progress for our nation. This is our Singapore Pledge, we are taught when we are in school. We Not only memorise it by heart , we follow and actively participate in it.We are also proud of our country!
    我们新加坡公民,不分种族、语言或宗教,团结一致,承诺建立一个基于公正和平等的民主社会,以实现我们国家的幸福、繁荣和进步。这是我们在学校学习的新加坡誓言。我们不仅将其牢记在心,还遵守并积极参与其中。我们也为我们的国家感到自豪!🇸🇬

  • @misterLi333
    @misterLi333 9 месяцев назад +42

    The host should be mindful of his manners and refrain from interrupting the guest while they are speaking.

    • @fannyalbi9040
      @fannyalbi9040 9 месяцев назад

      apparently nowadays a lot of western media when comes to interviewing, has forgotten the sacred of guest’s right.
      And impose their distasteful self righteousness narrative on the guests

  • @syleong68
    @syleong68 9 месяцев назад +30

    曾经有记者问外交部长,新加坡最大的价值是什么?部长回应是种族及宗教和谐.
    这位现任印度籍总统尚达曼先生在2023年竞选总统时,以高达71%选上,要知道新加坡72%人口是华族,而他的竞争对手是华人

  • @cql493
    @cql493 10 месяцев назад +122

    傲慢的主持人,不懂尊敬贵宾

  • @MrHistoryFan
    @MrHistoryFan 10 месяцев назад +34

    Mr. Tharman hit the nail in the head on Western democracy - no accountability for the elected officials after election.

  • @nelsonkfchen
    @nelsonkfchen 10 месяцев назад +78

    What fails the host, and at large the country he belongs to, is the lack of humility - a virtue that the guest minister has mentioned multiple times.

  • @stacey-10164
    @stacey-10164 10 месяцев назад +219

    What this Singapore Minister comments are right, NO RACIST, RELIGIONS DISCRIMINATIONS,

    • @lengtian
      @lengtian 10 месяцев назад

      He is our President now.

    • @Buttercookies0
      @Buttercookies0 10 месяцев назад +20

      @PeterCheung-qx2si There are oppositions in Parliament, Don't you know it?

    • @fastzone
      @fastzone 10 месяцев назад +9

      ​@PeterCheung-qx2sino opposition. Please quote your source.

    • @yanggongzi
      @yanggongzi 10 месяцев назад

      @PeterCheung-qx2si Indeed.

    • @Buttercookies0
      @Buttercookies0 10 месяцев назад +19

      @PeterCheung-qx2si Earlier, you mentioned NO opposition, now you changed to "kept it at a minimum." These 2 are different. People will now know your words can only be taken with a pinch of salt.

  • @elsaliew746
    @elsaliew746 9 месяцев назад +18

    非常謙卑的政治家

  • @katpatjj
    @katpatjj 9 месяцев назад +16

    I thank Singaporean has picked Tharman as our President.

  • @OnMusicSoon1
    @OnMusicSoon1 9 месяцев назад +63

    主持人越尖銳agressive,才顯示出被訪問的人多有能耐。

  • @dennisluk8833
    @dennisluk8833 9 месяцев назад +20

    This took place in 2015 at the 45th St Gallen Symposium in Switzerland. I love the trampoline.

    • @gracie7an
      @gracie7an 9 месяцев назад +1

      me too 😅😊

  • @danlin8310
    @danlin8310 9 месяцев назад +10

    Very blessed to have Mr Tharman providing leadership. He has emerged as our elected Head of State, as President of Singapore.

  • @yuchoyho1381
    @yuchoyho1381 9 месяцев назад +36

    I ❤ Singapore now and forever. I will contribute my part with other people regardless of religion, racier to build a share country.

  • @siewby2891
    @siewby2891 9 месяцев назад +22

    我不敢也不願說新加坡是个最好的国家,但看々周围世界強国弱国,自己庆幸生活在土生土长的新加坡,高喊民主的国家看了真想嘔,我还是謝々新加坡政府帶给人民平稳生活,我愛singapore 45:49

    • @Manhasnoname8645
      @Manhasnoname8645 6 месяцев назад

      如果您来纽约Manhattan住上一周,估计您会没有胃口吃饭。现在亚洲鼓吹美国的可能只有台湾人了。

  • @denden818
    @denden818 9 месяцев назад +17

    9 years since this interview, see how far Singapore is ahead

  • @user-mvyWHEiBOOvh6zSv2sdKCAE7U
    @user-mvyWHEiBOOvh6zSv2sdKCAE7U 10 месяцев назад +37

    主持人的臉被打的啪啪響還是臉不紅氣不喘地實在是相當厲害

    • @user-mvyWHEiBOOvh6zSv2sdKCAE7U
      @user-mvyWHEiBOOvh6zSv2sdKCAE7U 10 месяцев назад

      台灣就可惜了永遠無法翻身 40%的低端永遠無法選對的人走對的路 更會操作各種族群對立

  • @donggeguan2840
    @donggeguan2840 9 месяцев назад +18

    呵呵,日不落的最后傲慢。。。给新加坡的人民与政府点赞👍👍👍

  • @ryanwang6119
    @ryanwang6119 9 месяцев назад +24

    新加坡是一個有誠信和傳承的國家。 幾乎所有重要領導人10年前的談話和訪問都經得起考驗。
    沒有髮卡彎也沒有嘩衆取寵。政治邏輯條理清晰,一切以人民利益為優先從不做個人政治表演。
    反觀台灣...出爾反爾顛三倒四,爲了選舉成爲一個個跳梁小丑,簡直令人作嘔。

    • @sherrylew6160
      @sherrylew6160 9 месяцев назад +1

      对,我们的新加坡政府尽力帮助人民,法律也让人民住的有安全而且强调宗族和谐。 ❤️👍🏻💪🏻👏🏻

  • @ZZQ-s5b
    @ZZQ-s5b 10 месяцев назад +192

    一只鸡在评价老鹰如何飞翔。

    • @dondon520.
      @dondon520. 10 месяцев назад +9

      雞:我有飼料和一身肉呢,我是有價值的,不像你是野鳥😂😂😂

    • @merlynlai
      @merlynlai 9 месяцев назад +16

      @@dondon520.可是雞的價值只有在菜單上,宿命就是被吃。老鷹應該不會想要跟雞比較。視頻中一位只是記者/節目主持人,而另一位卻是現任新加坡總統。

    • @szedance
      @szedance 9 месяцев назад

    • @ylm5865
      @ylm5865 9 месяцев назад

      So a food critic also can't comment a 5 star cook's food because he is not a cook , is that what you mean ?

    • @ZZQ-s5b
      @ZZQ-s5b 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@ylm5865其实尚达曼回答了你提的问题,或许你没注意,他说,“在民主的推进方法上,我们都应该保持谦逊。”对于那些缺乏厨艺还对五星大厨指指点点的人,这句话已经非常客气了。意思就是,shut up and listen !😊

  • @richardchen5059
    @richardchen5059 9 месяцев назад +29

    这个英国记者傲慢的神态正是白人至上的一种表现!

  • @echoz3972
    @echoz3972 9 месяцев назад +18

    聪明人说话太好听了

  • @michaellee2042
    @michaellee2042 4 месяца назад

    Thanks!

  • @siufattsoi
    @siufattsoi 10 месяцев назад +93

    新加坡由第三世界,發展到第一世界。英國由第一世界發展到第三世界大國,有誰能及英國。

    • @DavidLee-cf5lw
      @DavidLee-cf5lw 9 месяцев назад +1

      第一世界?这个国家有多少能力决定世界命运?

    • @tszkitchan5687
      @tszkitchan5687 9 месяцев назад +2

      由發達國家變成相對落後國家😂自由既代價吧?

    • @Susana-pg7so
      @Susana-pg7so 8 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@DavidLee-cf5lw
      第一世界是说人民生活水准,人民收入,国家财富,安全等等,第一世界并非是说霸权好像美国那样多管闲事,掠夺其他国家。欧洲很多小国也是第一世界,比如说瑞士的高收入等等

    • @DavidLee-cf5lw
      @DavidLee-cf5lw 8 месяцев назад

      @@Susana-pg7so 那是你自己的定义。这些小国只是具有一些产业,高收入是因为人口少和世界的某些需求的集中,其生存完全依赖世界环境,整个生态体系一触即溃。对世界影响力极其有限。作为第一世界国家应该是独立自主的掌控世界格局的国家,当今只有中美俄才能担当。

    • @Susana-pg7so
      @Susana-pg7so 8 месяцев назад

      @@DavidLee-cf5lw 这不是我个人的定义,这个是世界定义及事实,你必须面对事实而不是自己的幻想

  • @stephenyang2844
    @stephenyang2844 10 месяцев назад +83

    英國人在這場合居然沒有承認自己的失敗,殖民新加坡近一百五十年沒有發展它! 英國人不但搶了中國銀兩,寶物,還逼迫印度人種雅片,逼中國人買,用雅片。

    • @jennywang5140
      @jennywang5140 9 месяцев назад +3

      正是陰險狡詐之處

    • @仲晴杨
      @仲晴杨 9 месяцев назад +10

      英国殖民历史残忍血腥,不知道有些殖人怀念大英出于什么心理,难道说因为不同殖民地政策不同,没被殖民政府铁拳砸到就很甘心当顺民吗?西方人当年在殖民地搞民族分化,扶植亲宗主势力,吐沙迫害小民族,这些事好像在很多民主自由皈依者眼里都无所谓,反倒是中国前三十年完成了一定的工业积累,后三十年改革开放经济发展增速,现在这几十年进入信息化时代感觉外界对中国的敌意不减反增,一天天说中国人亲共,配得上这种苦难,骂中国人韭菜,说反共不反中,可是共产党确实也是在努力提高治理水平这是有目共睹的,存在问题不代表老百姓就要把共产党打倒消灭,生活了几十年也没见中共怎么暴政我了,要不就是说铁拳还没砸我头上,我是要做什么违法乱纪的事铁拳要专门砸我呢?新疆尤其是西藏很多老农民家里把毛主席画像擦得锃亮,现在内地睡觉有挂毛泽东画像的?结果外界又是攻击中共迫害新疆和西藏了,又人权问题了,又是集中营了。别人去新疆旅游拍视频就是收钱了,整个新疆西藏合着都在陪旅游博主和政府给外国人演戏?对网上丧心病狂攻击中国大陆的台湾人越来越难有好感,哪是反共呢?只要大陆存在一个强权和强经济体,都是必反的,是逢中必反的,共是他们唯一给自己反中正当性找的招牌,这些人巴不得中国四分五裂。

    • @A_S_Li1225
      @A_S_Li1225 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@仲晴杨不要對鬼島的人抱有任何期望,大部分人反中已經反到入魔,任何的後果都是自找的

    • @cancanjaker1620
      @cancanjaker1620 8 месяцев назад

      英国人有发展新加坡的,不要乱编故事带节奏。去殖民化后,新加坡在东南亚中也算小富。不过因为英国人当年同时拥有新加坡和马来西亚,所以经济策略也是以新加坡和马来西亚一起制定。新马分家后,新加坡有了不一样的建国策略罢了。

    • @cancanjaker1620
      @cancanjaker1620 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@仲晴杨 英国在东南亚的殖民历史其实并不血腥。不要把其他地缘政治带到东南亚。就好比美国的政治问题,和中国的政治问题,不要出口到其他国家。

  • @wutiagua9095
    @wutiagua9095 10 месяцев назад +37

    完全不必看稿,太棒了!

    • @wlee394
      @wlee394 3 месяца назад

      受訪者看稿回答問題?

  • @LWC8
    @LWC8 9 месяцев назад +24

    I grew up in Singapore wishing that we had more freedom of speech, that people didn't fear criticising the government openly. But now I understand the dangers of free speech when I look at what is happening in the US and the UK. Politicians and celebrities can tell lies, trigger chaos in the society and not be taken to task. It gets to a point where the common man cannot tell what is true and what is false. This is a recipe for a divided society which is a disaster! That is not the kind of society I want for Singapore either.

    • @bearykitty
      @bearykitty 8 месяцев назад +1

      病从口入,祸从口出. So unless people are extremely careful with what spouts from their mouths, absolute freedom of speech can be dangerous.

    • @lokhahmooi3045
      @lokhahmooi3045 7 месяцев назад +2

      难得人间清醒。

    • @cancanjaker1620
      @cancanjaker1620 2 месяца назад +1

      LKY once said, "The youth will always be and should be passionate. But decisions have to made by adults. And the decisions have to be made in such a way that when those youth grew up to be adults themselves. They will understand why those decisions are made and are proud of those who have made them before."

  • @MrLimky
    @MrLimky 10 месяцев назад +36

    Constant interruption during a speech shows disrespect towards the guest.

  • @Essa-ky6zk
    @Essa-ky6zk 9 месяцев назад +27

    Totally agree: find ways to support people, that do not encourage them to give up individual and family responsibility - a challenge that Singapore has met better than many countries.

  • @RealOcbc
    @RealOcbc 8 месяцев назад +9

    新加坡政府,赞👍👍👍

  • @60yoself-taught
    @60yoself-taught 9 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks to Authoritarianism.

  • @henglee3127
    @henglee3127 10 месяцев назад +54

    生于忧患死于安乐。新加坡因为面积小,没有安全感,所以整个国家在一种危机中不断奋发图强,达到今天令人敬佩的程度。

    • @janettan115
      @janettan115 10 месяцев назад +7

      @PeterCheung-qx2si
      负责任的而无误导性的绝对没问题

    • @fastzone
      @fastzone 10 месяцев назад +13

      ​@PeterCheung-qx2si你所谓的自由言论是不负责任的话语吧 这样煽风点火的人不要也罢。

    • @fastzone
      @fastzone 10 месяцев назад

      @PeterCheung-qx2si 对,你才是高人,你最懂新加坡的政治了。。。好棒棒哦。

    • @fastzone
      @fastzone 10 месяцев назад +1

      @PeterCheung-qx2si 知道什么叫做投票吗。。。当然啦 你会说新加坡的投票是造假的。。。你真是人才。。。拿出证据来吧。。。

    • @kethonglee5586
      @kethonglee5586 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@PeterCheung-qx2si言論自由貴在求同存異,並不是要你求異滅同。😊

  • @Martin-tv2df
    @Martin-tv2df 9 месяцев назад +33

    Tharman is strong.. proud to have him as our president..

  • @alfredzhang6633
    @alfredzhang6633 9 месяцев назад +11

    精彩的访问

  • @kcs1058
    @kcs1058 8 месяцев назад +14

    新加坡總統有多方面知識和邏輯。👍👍👍

  • @chookleung3824
    @chookleung3824 9 месяцев назад +21

    這己經讓全世界的人看清英國人的无耻。

  • @geniegal78
    @geniegal78 5 месяцев назад +5

    I love how President Tharman keeps his cool despite how difficult the BBC host tries to be 😊... Proud of that 👏🏻

  • @waikinchan1856
    @waikinchan1856 10 месяцев назад +30

    The journalist seems to still live in a dream.

  • @changshengshu4564
    @changshengshu4564 10 месяцев назад +12

    法家治国的成功案例,点赞。

  • @Deathjoker_
    @Deathjoker_ 9 месяцев назад +12

    Damn i felt so awake while listening to Mr. Tharman than watching Avengers Endgame movie.

  • @DorJinTan
    @DorJinTan 9 месяцев назад +14

    Chinese values.
    My full respects to Tharman notwithstanding.

  • @susiesun2896
    @susiesun2896 9 месяцев назад +14

    oh my gosh he is so charming 😂

  • @michaeltham9914
    @michaeltham9914 9 месяцев назад +9

    Well speeches Sir 🇸🇬💪💪💪

  • @thomasho4825
    @thomasho4825 9 месяцев назад +10

    I give my respect to this speake

  • @philostreet781
    @philostreet781 10 месяцев назад +12

    “Take advantage of disadvantage” Paradoxical but true ❤ 1:48

  • @yangchen385
    @yangchen385 5 месяцев назад +2

    就算不不认识这位受访者,我也被他丰富的学识和个人涵养打动了。相反,这个主持人真的非常典型:傲慢,主控欲强,充满成见,喧宾夺主。他试图在这个严肃的对话里面加入一点有个人特色的幽默佐料,也不吝于展示自己在某些不擅长领域的无知。我不知道别人是什么感受,起码对于我而言,当采访的对象是一个有思想的经验丰富的政府管理者,你期望他能畅所欲言的表达他的管理理念,最好不好过多的打断和干扰。真的让人感到非常的反感!

  • @tanmenglock
    @tanmenglock 8 месяцев назад +3

    One of the best mind, excellent speaker ever exist, well done Tharman and proud to Singaporean !

  • @葉宜珍
    @葉宜珍 9 месяцев назад +31

    我住過新加坡三年……!治安非常好!世界第一,满滿的美食!交通也方便!

    • @bennettan4245
      @bennettan4245 8 месяцев назад

      您看到的新加坡只是外壳美观,里面腐烂生虫您都看不到。治安好不单单为新加坡独有。日本,台湾 一样有着良好的治安环境。

    • @tinche888
      @tinche888 8 месяцев назад +1

      香港治安也不賴

    • @cancanjaker1620
      @cancanjaker1620 6 месяцев назад +2

      日本,台湾,香港的治安是好。但是人民有戾气,有怨恨无处发泄。这爆发在街头,捷运上的无差别刺杀。

    • @tinche888
      @tinche888 6 месяцев назад

      @@葉宜珍 新加坡人有得投票選總理嗎

    • @Lucif3rLeng
      @Lucif3rLeng 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@tinche888 如果你了解一个政府是怎么形成的,你会觉得你的问题很可笑的像小学生的问题😂 请去读一读政党的运作

  • @kerlynlim2155
    @kerlynlim2155 8 месяцев назад +4

    We miss you Mr Lee Kuan Yew always in our mind forever. Without you without Singapore without us . As Singaporean we are proud of you

  • @linlaobei1
    @linlaobei1 8 месяцев назад +5

    每個國家有權建立自己的制度和走自己的路

  • @曹俊文
    @曹俊文 9 месяцев назад +6

    Mr Thaman well said