Using the Atomos Ninja Star with the Sony HVR-Z5E. Don't make the mistake I made!!
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- In this video, I discuss the reason behind my purchase of the Atomos Ninja Star (ANS) and how I totally misunderstood the purpose of this product.
The ANS allows users to effectively capture the raw data from their cameras, allowing the user to get the maximum output from their camera via HDMI.
Dependent on your camera, it will wither output in 8 or 10 bit (maybe higher) and allow you to record in either 4:2:2 or 4:4:4.
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It's great to see someone working the Z5 today! I stumbled upon it as I'm a former film student on a budget working in the AV industry. I saw an ad for a used Z5U, went to see some test footage, and my jaw completely dropped! A 20x G lens with this quality for 1000 bucks CAD?! And it doesn't take any space on the cards. Nowadays it's very easy to upscale footage with great success using tools like Red Giant, professional broadcast hardware if you have access to it, or even free tools lie VN editor on Mac yielded very successful results for me.
I used to push a P2 camera to it's most possible cinematic capacity, so when I see what the Z5U is capable of, with the price, handling, and zoom - no other camera on the markets seems this convenient for me. Doesn't have the highest dynamic range, but the lens sharpness, and that roll-off in the highlights - back when digital sensors had flair and style like a film stock!
Thanks for commenting. Lovely to hear your passion for the camera.
I am still using this camera today. I love it. If I had a bit more technical expertise, I’m sure I could do more. I’ll be sure to check out Red Giant 👍🏻👍🏻
4:2:2 is still pretty good, especially for a DV/HDV camera! If you ever get your hands on a DV/HDV camera that has SDI/HDSDI then you could bypass the 8bit 4:2:0 completely and possibly get the 10bit 4:2:2 you were after
Also the fact it records ProRes 422 means the video will have so little compression compared to standard HDV (which I believe is only 29mbps) so really it might even be better than an MRC1
@@BenJonesVideographer Thanks for your comments, really helpful.
Yes, I totally agree with you. Effectively, I could remove the MRC1 and maybe use that on older legacy Sony camcorders as a cheap way to archive, as long as I can procure a dock.
And yes, the fact that I can capture pro res 422 with the ninja star in conjunction with the camera is pretty cool. The MRC1 doesn't afford me that luxury.
It always surprises me how capable some of the older cameras still are. You could easily shoot a short film with a few of these cameras.
@@ReelFilm2016 I believe Canon XL-H1 had the SDI output, as does the XH-G1. The former is the HD version if the famous XL1/XL2 range of camera that were used for just about everything back on the day - 28 Days Later most famously. It has detachable lenses and can be used with EF lenses if you have the converter. I managed to get one off eBay for about £50, but that was without a lens and the tape mechanism is a little ropey so I'd need a tapeless solution. But given they often go for around £1000 I still consider it a bargain.
When you say you wanted to increase the resolution do you mean from 1440x1080 to 1920x1080? I'm surprised the HDMI out doesn't offer that as presumably that's what the sensor is capturing.
@@asprinwizard Hello Richard, thanks for your response.
Yes, I remember reading about how the Canon camera was used in 28 days later. Love that film.
In regards to your question regarding my hope of a bump in resolution, (1440x1080 to 1920x1080), the answer is, I have no idea what I was expecting :-).
One thing I did find whilst I was doing my comparison video of the Z5E / A1E, was that when I captured footage directly from the tape, it was coming out as 1440x1080, but when I captured from the MRC1, it was 1920X1080.
When I purchased the Atomos Ninja Star, I think my hope was that it would allow me to capture my video in like 50p, but clearly I didn't understand what I was doing.
However, I can whole heartedly recommend buying something you have no understanding of, learning it's not what you thought and then realising that in actual fact, you have not only learnt something new, but it offers you something you didn't expect.
@@ReelFilm2016 what is the resolution of the video captured from the Ninja Star? It should be 1920x1080 since it will capture whatever comes out of the HDMI. In the case of that camera the output would be 50i, so that's what it will capture. TBH I don't think the Ninja Star will capture 50p at 1080p anyway, certainly my Atomos won't - the more modern 4k Atomos's will I believe but as I say it's determined by the HDMI output of the camera. You could upscale the 50i output to be 50p. I believe there are devices that will do that, but that's another thing to mount on your camera. Perhaps a better option is to upscale the clips using a decent advanced deinterlacer on the computer. I tend to do this with my HDV stuff and I have found the results to be very good indeed - although I'm no really expert.
Thank you for posting another one of your thrilling videos.
Thank you. I didn’t really know what I was talking about 🤣
Nice video. I'm looking at purchasing the z5 myself. I really just love how well it is ergonomically.
Slight correction: 4:2:2 & 4:2:0 are called "chroma subsampling", not color space. Color space describes things like "RGB" "YCbCr" or "YPbPr".
Thanks for you comment and helping me to understand some of the more technical jargon.
I would also recommend looking out for a z7 as you can change the lens.
I have that camera, the Z5U version LOVE IT, got it a few years ago barely used!
Is the the American model?
@@ReelFilm2016 What?
@@danielrudolph3252 Sorry, I didn't really explain myself and now I know the answer. There were three regional versions of this camera. Z5E / Z5U / Z5N.
E was for Europe, U was for America using NTSC and N was for Asian markets using NTSC.
@@ReelFilm2016 Yeah, I have the U.S. version. Great camera! I love that it uses Tape, and that's its HD. This camera will probably provide the best you could probably ever get out of a video cassette tape, since it was one of the last models of it's kind. Something to hold onto for many years to show future kids or grandkids, lol
@@danielrudolph3252 I agree. I was trying to find out what the last professional HDV tape based camcorder was, and it might be the Sony Z7E.
It was exactly the same camera as the Z5 (albeit a slight redesign) due to the fact that it had removable lenses.
I'm not aware of any other pro camcorder that came after that which took tapes.
God I'm a nerd. :-)
You're a life saver. My job has one of these cameras and I am too young to know much about it.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad the video was of use to you.
It’s also worth reading the comments, as there are some really helpful comments from other users.
If they don’t want it anymore, keep hold of if. Where do you work? I am curious now. 😀
I don’t know if you saw my other videos, but this is a proper review I did. Link below.
ruclips.net/video/qE_Ujn4P12c/видео.html
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@@ReelFilm2016 i work for a state government in India. They had studio for shooting educational videos but was unused for a few years. They started up again recently and hired me as a camera assistant. Been doing a lot of B-Roll with a Sony DSLR alpha 7C but we found the Camcorder in a cupboard and somehow it was still working
@@edwardelric717 That a great story! If you post anything on RUclips, let me know.
@@ReelFilm2016 youtube.com/@dertmeghalaya4665
Here's the RUclips page for my office. I am new there so only videos for the last year or so are part of my work. But please don't mention my names in the comments. My bosses wouldn't be Happy about me talking about the state of the equipment in public. We mostly broadcast to tv though
@@edwardelric717 Of course not. Really interesting though.
Thanks,very interesting vid,I recently purchased a Z1E and then got a MRC1 unit a day or so ago,I have got it up and running but it does'n't have the synchronous start/stop of the Z5 which I can manage with,though sychronous is much better,it will record to the MRC without the tape running which is good. The thing I have not got around to sorting yet is that I can only get it to record 4 : 3 to the MRC at present ,must be a setting on the Z1 that's not right,but thanks,really enjoy your vids. 😁
Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you found the video of use. This was a bit of a rush job and I was concerned at the time that I wasn’t being as coherent, but that’s the great thing about feedback from the community.
I almost picked up a Z1 sometime before I got a Z5. I assume that you should be able to amend the screen ratio in the settings. Let me know if you get that sorted.
The MRC1 is a fantastic gem. So cool that you can hook it up to older Sony cameras if you have the dock.
Cheers
@@ReelFilm2016 Hi ,just an update on my progress with the Z1E and MRC1,I got it it to display video 16:9 by using Windows HD Movie Maker instead of Windows Photos.I can now control start/stop from the record button of the camera,but it is neccessary to have the tape running also,as I said previously ,it's possible to record without the tape by using the record buttons on the MRC.
Altogether,it's a useful little unit,but it does weigh down the front of the camera if it is mounted on the front cold shoe,maybe a smaller battery would help,apparently the batteries last many hours on the MRC so does not really need a big battery.The alternative is to use a longish cable and put it in your pocket,or on your belt.
Best wishes Alan
@@alanvanallen7762 Glad you have solved the screen ratio issue.
I love how much fun you are having whilst tinkering around. I love trying to solve problems and create work arounds?
4:2:2 does not capture more color - It gives you more samples of the same color, and only matters if you process the video more than once, like color correction for example. All the good video editing suites these days allow for No Re encoding of the video and only encode the changes you made. So it depends on what you are doing.
Thank you for the additional information. I have learnt something new. Also, your comment will help this in the community.
Hi! I also own a Z5 with MRC1. I really like the image quality you get out of the Z5, would you maybe tell me your camera settings?
Thanks! :)
Thanks for watching and commenting. Well I suppose I try and keep things as simple as possible. By using the Atomos Ninja Star, I am able to capture the best video signal possible via the HDMI out. Then I colour correct as and when I need to.
I recently made a video for Dehancer. I shot some scenes using the Z5 and corrected them using dehancer. I’ll pop the link below.
Let me know if it helps. 😀
ruclips.net/video/CUwNkS-E7-I/видео.htmlsi=sZoTyTsVbXPKJeqw
i just bought a sony hvr-z1e for 82 euros wil the Atomos Ninja Star work whit my sony hvr-z1e
Hello, thanks for watching and commenting.
From memory, the answer is no. This is solely because the A1E doesn’t have an HDMI out. 😕
However, you could use the HVR-MRC1.
I have a video about this on my channel.
ruclips.net/video/qE_Ujn4P12c/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/T1zW4OTbGAQ/видео.html
It’s still a great camera though.
You got a bargain for sure.
Hello, I wonder if you can help. I've got Sony HVR -Z1U camera. I want to transfer videos from the camera into my mac book pro (late 2012) or into my PC. As far as I understand my camera has a firewire connection. Do you know which cable and adaptor cables would work to transfer footage from this camera into a computer? Z1U and Z1U doesn't have hdmi just the old firewire connection. Thanks in advance.
Hello, thanks for watching and commenting.
Well I have an iMac (2017 model) and would use the following adaptor cables to get footage directly from the camera.
FireWire 800 cable, Apple Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter, Apple Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 adapter.
@@ReelFilm2016 Thanks for your reply. I've noticed that Apple Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter, cost £130 wow! I wonder if there are any cheaper Chinese alternatives?
@@DimaVincentMusicExperience Hey. Wow, really!! Thats incredible. I got both of my apple adapters from eBay. I paid £28 for one and £13 for the other.
Hello, what is the difference with z5e and z5c ? Thanks
Just the Region it is from. I think C is for Canada. The E is for Europe and the U is for United Sates.
Sony hvr-z1p can use
Thanks for your comment.
I don’t think so. I don’t believe the Z1P has an HDMI out.
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