CUBAN MAMBO vs AMERICAN MAMBO - social dancing analysis by alberto bonanni

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  • Опубликовано: 25 июн 2018
  • CUBAN MAMBO vs AMERICAN MAMBO -- social dancing analysis by alberto bonanni #ballilatini #salsadancing #mambo
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  • @zvonimirtosic6171
    @zvonimirtosic6171 Год назад +8

    To all those who claim "Mambo is Cuban only".
    Mambo is Cuban JAZZ music born in the 1930-40s, which would be impossible to develop without American jazz influence. American jazz influenced Cubans. Because the music is not Cuban alone, but it is clearly a Cuban-American JAZZ medley, popularised by big bands (Perez Prado, etc), the dance that fits that music can't have folklore elements of a typical Cuban danzon only. It has more to it. Therefore Mambo played in big halls (ballrooms) by big bands of the 1930-50s, borrowed a lot from (jazz) dances of Big Band music: Swing, Step, Quickstep, Foxtrot, etc. and incorporated into the specific syncopated rhythm of the music.
    That is what you see in the video described as "American Mambo". Maybe a different term could be: "Big Band Ballroom Mambo". It is artistic Mambo, different from folklore, in the same way as the Classical guitar is different from the Flamenco folklore guitar.
    When the music changed again due to faster and simpler rhythms, played by many small bands that performed in the streets of Latin neighbourhoods (as opposed to big bands in theatres and clubs), Salsa dance was popularised using elements of Mambo, danzon AND of disco dance and Samba (played in 2/4), all simplified & adapted for faster and more uniform rhythm.
    Big band Mambo has more rhythmic and melodic improvisations, slower rhythm, syncopation is emphasised. Salsa has less improvisation, faster rhythm; syncopation is barely noticeable.
    From Mambo also developed Cha-cha, a highly rhythmic music and dance which was standardised into Latin Ballroom Dance.
    There is a need to (finally) standardise Mambo as well. If Cha-cha could do it, Mambo can too. Therefore what is called American Mambo (Big Band Ballroom Mambo) is an important step in that direction, so that the performers could prepare, and be judged properly.

    • @pangeaproxima9446
      @pangeaproxima9446 Год назад +1

      What are your sources?

    • @isejans
      @isejans Месяц назад

      Way before "Latin ballroom" was standardised by Jean-Luc Pierre, The so called "American mambo" There was the real Mambo social dance created at the Palladium ballroom in the 50's in N.Y. not by North Americans but by Cubans and Puertorricans such as Francisco Grillo "Machito", Pedro Aguilar "Cuban Pete" and Millie Donnay, Oggy and Margo, Freddie Rios and Mike Ramos etc. who blended Afro-Cuban dance forms with Afro-American dance forms such as Tap dance, Lindy hop and swing, then Ballroom created it's own version which is nothing more than just choreographies, staged dances as sports and for competitive purposes, something very different. The original Cuban mambo was also a choreography based dance to accompany big bands such as Perez Prado, Benny More, Miguelito Valdes etc. In New York Cuban Bands Such as Machito and His Afro-cubans did the perfect marriage between Mambo, Son Montuno, Chachacha and Jazz.

  • @PolSanchezJr
    @PolSanchezJr Год назад

    Bel video e bella lezione! Bravo

  • @darinagrozeva456
    @darinagrozeva456 2 года назад

    Wonderful

  • @cameronsteuart1197
    @cameronsteuart1197 Год назад

    molto utile!

  • @tommyblack7998
    @tommyblack7998 Год назад +1

    We used to have a grey cat.

  • @vikdjkrebs8933
    @vikdjkrebs8933 2 года назад +2

    Nada de mambo americano esas son payasadas coreograficas

  • @ReubenSalsaLatina
    @ReubenSalsaLatina 2 года назад +2

    Where is Street Mambo aka Salsa On2? You've used Cuban vs Ballroom Mambo references.

    • @wolfcity90
      @wolfcity90 2 года назад +1

      It is Son Cubano. and the video is not right completely. That cuban mambo is cabaret version..On the street people danced as Son but an 'alive Son' to this new music...

    • @ReubenSalsaLatina
      @ReubenSalsaLatina 2 года назад +1

      @@wolfcity90 not what Im saying, but anyway

    • @zvonimirtosic6171
      @zvonimirtosic6171 Год назад

      Salsa developed with faster, less improvised rhythms that came a bit later. The big band Mambo is slower, highly melodic and rhythmically improvised, and is played in 4/4. Salsa music, performed by small bands in the streets of Latin neighbourhoods, is much simpler, faster, everything sounds the same from the beginning to an end. Dance that could fit that was simplified, added elements from other fast dances like disco and Samba (Samba was popularised at the same time). Samba is very fast and played in 2/4, thus Salsa incorporated On1, because dancers must adapt any former slow 4/4 Mambo routine in chunks of 2 beats anyway. It's hardly possible to do it otherwise: the rhythm is simple and fast, there is not enough of rhythmic emphasis on the syncopated part that allows a full 4/4 routine. In short, big band Mambo is your home-cooked Sunday lunch; Salsa is your MacDonald's.

    • @reubenwatkins4742
      @reubenwatkins4742 Год назад

      @@zvonimirtosic6171 talking from a Ballroom perspective which is out of touch from the Street Latin view.

    • @zvonimirtosic6171
      @zvonimirtosic6171 Год назад

      ​@@reubenwatkins4742 I have touched it above, my view on the development of Salsa and Street Latin. Street Latin developed in a different world. It all changed a lot from the ballroom time of Big Bands. Street Latin plays different music, simplified fast rhythms, simplified melody. In my opinion, Street Latin feels like 20% Mambo, 40% disco and 40% Samba. Can you imagine Street Latin / Salsa dancers dancing on original, orchestral arrangements by Perez Prado or Xavier Cugat? It doesn't work.

  • @johndoyle4109
    @johndoyle4109 Год назад

    No body puts baby in a corner

  • @zeidycanetti1536
    @zeidycanetti1536 2 года назад +4

    Hahaha, Mambo is Cuba, period!!

    • @zvonimirtosic6171
      @zvonimirtosic6171 Год назад +1

      Mambo is not "Cuban" alone.
      Mambo is Cuban JAZZ music born in 1930-40s, which would be impossible to develop without American jazz influence.
      Because the music is not Cuban alone, but it is Cuban-American JAZZ medley, the dance that fits to that music can't have folklore elements only.
      Therefore Mambo played in big halls and clubs by big bands, borrowed in dance a lot from other Big Band jazz dances (Swing, Step, Quickstep, etc.), incorporated in the specific syncopated rhythm of the music.

    • @zeidycanetti1536
      @zeidycanetti1536 Год назад

      @@zvonimirtosic6171 all Latin Music Music including Jazz is mixed with others influence… Mambo was influenced by Jazz, while Jazz was Also influenced by Cuban Music… but Mambo is Cuban and Jazz is Nortthamerican.

    • @zvonimirtosic6171
      @zvonimirtosic6171 Год назад

      ​@@zeidycanetti1536 You just contradicted yourself. Mambo is not "Cuban dazon". Mambo was possible only with American influence and big band music, that uplifted usual Cuban folklore into something new and highly artistic. Mambo IS the child of big bands - there is no need denying it, because the history contradicts such claims. Cubans can sit on their heads until doomsday, but without big bands, there is no Mambo.

  • @nicojones2321
    @nicojones2321 5 лет назад +4

    Is there an "American Mambo or there is Mambo made by Americans?

    • @Apollo_Blaze
      @Apollo_Blaze 2 года назад +2

      Mambo is from Cuba...there is no "American Mambo"

  • @Apollo_Blaze
    @Apollo_Blaze 2 года назад +13

    There is no such thing as "Ameican Mambo"...Mambo is from CUBA...another case of Americans taking something from another culture and creating their own version...probably because they can't danse it the right way.

    • @paulasuniverse5029
      @paulasuniverse5029 2 года назад +3

      There are derivations of dances (just like dialects of languages) even within the country of origin.

    • @thinkbeforetlaking
      @thinkbeforetlaking 2 года назад

      What you say is misleading as nobody in the great USA is appropriating of anything. It's all in your freaking mindset.

    • @Piotr_Szyba
      @Piotr_Szyba 7 месяцев назад

      Lol, what a silly statement, of course there is such thing, dance creolizes everywhere it goes. Noone can stop it.