How Does Reincarnation and the Afterlife Really Work?
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Christina Rasmussen interviewed Tom Campbell for her Dear Life podcast and asked Tom in this excerpt from her interview: “How does reincarnation and the afterlife actually work?”
Although Tom has spoken on this subject many times before, in this excerpt he gives a particularly good summary of the how and why of the afterlife process and speaks directly to those who are concerned with whether they will forever be with their loved ones.
Your avatar is not immortal, except in the sense that the information that describes everything your avatar thought, felt and experienced is recorded and made available to all. You, as a subset of consciousness (an IUOC), are immortal -- there is no end , only endless opportunities to evolve -- to become whatever you can be.
Watch the video, discover the possibilities.
IUOC- Individuated Unit of Consciousness
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It has nothing to do with effort. Just turn away, look between the thoughts, rather than at the thoughts. When you happen to walk in a crowd, you do not fight every man you meet, you just find your way between. When you fight, you invite a fight. But when you do not resist, you meet no resistance. When you refuse to play the game, you are out of it. Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
The best fight is the fight that never happened. Not a quote-unquote, but the great Bruce Lee said something like this.
Perhaps; perhaps not. Don't let Sri Nisaradatta Mahara do your thinking for you. You can take back your personal power and have your own thoughts and make your own decisions if you so choose. That is your God given right! That is also your own personal choice. Good luck!
@@kevinschwartz1289 Thank you! But I know that that thought is not my but Bruce Lee's. I just meant to say I agree with Bruce Lee.
You are the creator of your own experience.
ruclips.net/video/5Tz1w3k9G5Q/видео.html most people are these so they will be coming back
It's become increasingly obvious to me that Tom Campbell and Bob Monroe chose two very different paths, and Bob was trying to counter balance what Tom has become--the "guru" figure who tells people what is true and what isn't. Bob focused on giving people the tools to go find out for themselves because he saw how much limitation occurred from belief systems and dogma, and the ever present "authority urge" (see Milgram experiment among others) in humans to be led by another.
There is nothing wrong with lightly listening to unusually wise/mature voices and what they have to say, as long as they are turning you back to your own inner guidance and you yourself are most focused on the latter. But when they sit themselves in the center, and allow themselves to become a guru figure, and actively facilitate that role over and over and over again, then it can and often does become limiting--limiting for them and for others.
There are reasons why folks like Yeshua left the public scene, or why Monroe's "He/She" is not public and known about. What this world needs most are direct examples of Love, and less so preachers, gurus, lecturers, etc.
Anyways, re: the topic of discussion, going by the guidance messages that I've received and the experiences that I've had so far, I lean to thinking that an IUOC exists however long it wants to in most cases. I've found that direct, literal reincarnation of a particular self is actually somewhat rare and not the norm. Most individuals either stay in the nonphysical for what we would perceive as really long periods of time, or they go to other systems whether with a corresponding physical level or not. Course they can directly reincarnate here if they want, but the expanded, original self that they are connected to and came from, let's them and other parts of itself know, "hey, I can create another self with some of you in it to work on these lessons, karma, etc Hence, you don't *have* to necessarily go back in if you don't want to", and that seems to be the common process that happens most often.
There is a subset of IUOC's that this does not apply to, and what I've found is similar to what Monroe talked about in the addicted, repeater types. These do cycle in and out constantly and often, in a direct, literal sense. These are very, very immature consciousnesses that seem to have a hard time learning/choosing love, but they are addicted to the physical earth level. They tend to try to get into positions of extreme wealth and material power, and time after time, they tend to cause a lot of problems for the collective. Edgar Cayce's guidance called these the "sons of Belial", and outlined how often they caused societal, and even one geological, upheaval in various different cycles, and multiple times in Atlantis over a 200, 000 period.
But don't take my word or Tom Cambells. In the spirit of Bob Monroe, go find out for yourself.
What IUOC stands for? Thanks for sharing your perspective
@@Adam2731 It's one of Tom's terms that I only use when speaking to this crowd. It stands for "individual unit of consciousness". A much older, equivalent term for it would be one's "soul". The part of us which incarnates.
The IUOC/soul, as Monroe, Moen, and I have found, is created by and from a larger, older self. Monroe called it his "I-There", Bruce Moen called it the "the Disk" (computer terminology), and I tend to call it our Total or Expanded self. There are old terms for it as well, such as "Higher self" or "Monadic self".
What neither Monroe nor Moen talked about, to my knowledge though, but what I've found from experience and guidance is that one's Expanded self used to be one with another Expanded self (there was no difference/distinction between them at this point) in an even larger and more original self, but this self split into two (as to why, to somewhat mirror/mimic the physical level and to experience deeper, more intense companionship here). One half become more polarized (initially to the Yin) and one became more polarized to the Yang. This relates to the concepts of "twin flames" and "twin souls". The flames part would be our Expanded self level, and the twin soul part would be our IUOC/soul level.
Since a Expanded self can have multiple IUOC's/Souls going on in the same space/time cycle, not only can you meet other selves from your Expanded self in the physical, but you can also meet multiple individuals from your twin flame's Expanded self i.e. you can have multiple "twin soul" connections. I don't know how common this is in practice, just know that it has happened to me and my twin soul, where we have both met other souls from our Expanded self as well as other twin soul connections. The latter has been rather testing in nature, at least for this self.
@@justinw1765 Boy can I relate. Nearing a decade long path with it. It’s the most challenging thing I’ve faced. I don’t like to label it anything, I’m familiar with the storyline. I try to understand it logically and it’s impossible. There have been others that in some ways have mimicked aspects but none equal the whole of this particular connection, and the others are easily and quickly forgotten. Beyond strange. I wonder if we collectively took this on to see what would happen. I do know my heart was opened and I felt it was catalyst to my awakening. Could be that’s all it was ever meant to do for those of us with the experience.
@@kt9495 These connections certainly do seem to be catalyst and growth oriented, but as we know, great growth is often triggered initially by intense suffering, sense of loss, etc.
@@justinw1765 I told my person in the beginning that it felt like I was cocooning. I’ve always found symbols interesting. And the sense of knowing things before they happen. But not in the full picture. Bits and pieces that when you look back you realize it was such an intelligent design, it’s nothing short of wondrous.
Most of the people I’ve encountered with the TF experience have had the runner/chaser dynamic and never found a way to come together. The energetic thing stumps me. I began feeling everything in early 2018. I feel myself and others, even animals mostly via my throat and chest but my guy…he could tingle the top of my head from 2500 miles away lol. The only one that I ever felt there, right before he’d text.
It’s amazing how much all of this aligns with ancient and modern Hermeticism, Kabbalah, Sufism, Hinduism and Vajrayana Buddhism, not to mention shamanic teachings around the world.
Not amazing. Not at all. He would absolutely have heard those things. And he's the one who created this story. Same thing is said about the new testament. That it's amazing it goes with the old. But of course it does. They wrote it to fullfill it.
Yeah totally amazing, all of those religions are demonic inspired.
@@ericalewis9047 But when he discovered this stuff he was an Atheist... that wasn't too well read. He admitted that he didn't know much about the teachings of India until just recently is actually surprised they got it as right as they did.
I'd love to see Tom on the Joe Rogan Experience and reach a bigger audience 🔥
Agree. He definitely need more recognition
Joe talks negatively about chiropractors. He would call Tom's work "woo woo".... publicly at least.
YES
Very good idea! I've not thought about that too much but I've been a big fan of JR's show since his beginning days of the podcast.
@@timbo7873 unfortunate then, because chiropractors are helpful and scans and videos show it. They've helped me before. He doesn't do well with veganism, but he's gotten better I guess. But I would think he would be accepting of him since he's into spirituality and science. Oh well.
Reality is so much bigger and more interesting than we know! When I finally really understood Tom Campbell's model of reality my mind was BLOWN❗and in a really good way.
I am very sceptical when anyone feel they have figured life out. I have a sneaky feeling that they will be in for a surprise.
Agreed
No point just discussing whether he's right or wrong with no way to verify or disprove, neither is there a point in simply taking his word for it that he's right. Just that ask what you need to do to experience it for yourself, and then make up your own mind based on your personal experience.
@@Chierushi Out of interest, do you actually practice what you preach.
I think ur right!
But he goes there a lot 😂
Man, every time I listen to TC I get the "that's exactly it!!!!" feeling. Thank you
Part 1. During August of 1973, I was pronounced DEAD On Arrival, at a Medical centre, and at least half an hour passed by, and then my heart started to beat again, without medical assistance... During the time I was reported to be dead, I, that is "LIFE My Real Self", felt very much alive, but not in this universe, nor did I have a human body or any other type of body. I felt NO Condemnation or judgement, but only a depth of LOVE far beyond human understanding... I saw No relatives, family or friends, and no Form, except for the Presence of pure white LIGHT.
Thanks for sharing ❤🙏🤗
how can we see when we are nothing though...thats what i cant get my head around
What made you come back?
@@dreamlounge5909 you cannot have dark without light, you cannot have up without down, you cannot have something without nothing. you cannot have inexperience without experience. That is us. we are the seeing, hearing, thinking. and INTERACTING part of the universe. Our consciousness is experience itself. What we are seeing/hearing/feeling/tasting/smelling is our interpretation of that experience.
@@dreamlounge5909 Yeah maybe it’s possible but it seems super weird and a little scary. Turning into an orb of consciousness sounds freaky. Also as great as the light sounds, I hope there are cool things to do on the other side.
Why would anyone want to return to this virtual reality - it is the most horrific experience I would never want to repeat. One can never forget living hell on earth!!
not everyone has had such a bad experience. i'm very appreciative of mine.
Yeah fuck this place. It’s a bad simulation. And fuck a system that gives me an entire life then I’m made to forget it all. Very pointless. A system that uses you as an experiment, then throws you away and puts you back in for more.
hint: YOU are doing life wrong. the good news is there is still time for you to understand the logisctics of what i have just told you....
Dr. Campbell I admire your calm confidence in discussing this subject.
I found this explanation on Facebook and I loved it , this explains a lot the message that Tom Campbell wants to deliver regarding his uncle but in a a simpler way: “it’s a very difficult and complex paradoxical issue to communicate and I think you explained it in a much more relatable way than Tom does which I think some people find rather cold.
Once one realises the true oneness of consciousness and the illusion of separation it becomes a lot more simple to assimilate and see that the essence of a person, which is very much part of them still is entwined and available to their living family/friends/loved ones even when they in their ‘I am’ awareness has continued on with their development as a soul elsewhere”
Dr. Campbell this is unprecedented from a scientist of your calibre, and you’re very much appreciated.
The idea of
The afterlife being just recycling holding place and getting us ready to do the next life and the next life and the next life..is just the most depressing endlessly boring thing imaginable. I can’t understand how people are exciting with basically nothing! Basically there is no life after death in another dimension since you quickly get back into earth life all over again. Of course no memories, and then good luck off you go. This is just so sad and I hope I don’t get to do this circle thing but actually enjoy afterlife
Yeah, I would prefer to have a choice of going back when I want, if ever. Prefer to observe from above
Sounds like you are having a bad life. Im fortunate and having a good life but i know lors of people are suffering.
do better. life can be amazing. you are simply doing it wrong..... i can explain further if you would like. seems like you need to put downt the phone...
Most of you does enjoy the afterlife, it’s just a small fraction that separates off for these physical experiences. The larger soul is infinitely multidimensional doing loads of interesting stuff. It’s our natural home. Tom just has a drab way of putting things sometimes, and besides, what he says is all based on HIS perceptions, HIS away of explaining it all to himself. Everyone’s reality is entirely different and based on what you think and believe. Do some consciousness exploration and have some fun exploring different realities before you actually die. Anyone can learn to do it e.g. through sound technologies such as hemi sync to train the brain. Once you begin exploring your world view will explode with new discoveries and learnings. Have fun!
Tom, I swear to goodness I haven’t heard a more slam dunk of an idea about what the purpose of being really is, and I’m stoked to see what you’re really about 🤟
I have. Its basically just Buddhism explained in a western language.
In hinduism all these concepts are there.. reincarnation, atman is consciousness, maya is illusion etc etc the body is called avatar as well.. our gods come in different avatars (bodies) everything is there in vedanta.,
@@ChinmayaMissionPerth He's a scientist constrained by his database. You know he really knows his Ph.D subject and very little beyond it.
Well, it is a point of view to be respected!
For me, we are phisical body, perispirit and spirit. The body dies but the perispirit and spirit continues! We spend a time in spiritual world learning new things, seeing deceased loved ones, reviewing the challenges accomplished in our last life and then after a time we start planning our reincarnatory process ( next life) together with our guides. Challenges that we could not accomplish last material life, and a few new ones, always trying to evolve!
Theres nothing to learn in this cesspool reincarnation matrix. Wage slaving until you die wow what an amazing opportunity. I mean do you people even fking question this bullshit?
What Tom is saying here is his interpretation of the afterlife. Social media has as many afterlife experts as there are stars in the sky and most of them disagree with each other. Tom's explanation that loved ones on the otherside are simulations and not really them is widely disagreed by many popular afterlife experts. None of us will know until we die.
About 18 months ago I had a Great Moment when I HAD been feeling frustrated by the whole cyclical nature of Life,,,, I got Very Calm and Still and asked the question, "what's the point of all of this?".
The Clear answer I received was, "TOTAL FREEDOM".
There's no freedom in this way of thinking. I think Tom has a very linear perspective of seeing things.
@@steak8278 true
You whole the 🔑 of that eternal freedom within you.
ruclips.net/video/tVsy3RODsc0/видео.html
What's the point of total freedom anyway?
Tom is not the only afterlife expert. Many of them disagree with Tom's explanations.
The worst part is his lack of objectivity and self-reflection, plus his continuing overconfidence that he's "right." It's what led him down the path of presenting his fake/fantasy double slit experiment for all those years as an actual, confirmed experiment. Tom always talks about courage, yet he's too scared to address this issue head on. So he hides from it, instead.
I actually think Tom is experiencing something real beyond the non-physical. But his ego betrays him, causing him to overplay his hand, if you will.
@I_Am_Become_Light I totally agree. Tom does seem to have a rather large ego and insists that he has the truth. I heard about Tom's disagreements with Ebon Alexander and Jurgen Ziewe. Telling them both that neither was really communicating with their actual loved ones in the nonphysical realm. They both very strongly disagreed with him.
I remember existing before this life & have Pre-Birth Experiences and so do over 22 other people as of last month, we update our research #s on the 15th each month, I think there's millions that remember 🙏👁️👊
I remember a little bit of my transition before coming here.
After my husband died, I am connected to him/LCS on a regular basis. When I ask about Tom’s description/explanation , the answer is always the same. Tom is telling only 2-5% of what he is aware of, and on the top of it, he or anyone else is aware of everything about Transition really or LCS only in general. Choices here and after our death are much more vast and do not easy to describe. Tom’s messages are for those who just started to follow him, and those message are really helpful, and one can have a very good start by learning from Tom.
Therefore , do not limit yourself to another people explanation . Independence on your path is detrimental, otherwise you would try to emulate another person’s experience. Don dwell on your own current awareness and understanding. Explore here as well as in other realities all the time. This is why we are here to experience physical reality, explore, become aware, learn and become the better version of who we are.
That's a really cold universe Tom describes. I do think he's on to something. But this bigger system just wants to experience through avatars because it can't experience things otherwise. If I'm really a 8ndividuated piece of this consciousness I don't want to have to do anything with it.
While I respect Tom immensely, some of the things he is saying in this video (such as when we return to heaven, we almost immediately reincarnate to another life) are not what some people who've crossed over have experienced. Christian Sundberg, for example, who has pre-birth memories and recalls previous lives, says he waited quite awhile before incarnating into his current life.
Exactly what I've been thinking
you are not getting it right. Even thou Tom is great at explaining things, still is just a model for explaining it. There's no solid answer, since solid states don't evolve. How can you have a solid answer to something that is ever evolving?
"immediately" has no real meaning in that context. Besides he is saying there's a TRANSITION reality that is not the physical reality, so time is not the physical time but transition involves X time.
Besides you are using other person experience to say something. I urge you to go experience yourself before trying to understand through someone else.
i remember tom saying that its different from person to person
Time is probably very different in other realities. Waiting for an incarnation three centuries off probably won't seem like three centuries
@@FiveNineO yes, hipotetically, all encarnations exist at the same "moment". the only moment that really exists. Past, future, other civilizations, etc.. time itself is a perception from the encaranted physical perspective. You could re-encarnate anywhere at any "time". But ofcourse different realities might have different encarnation "rules". who really knows. We should ask that to someday to advanced civilizations that don't suffer disconection from the non-physical as we do.
I recomend searching for Bashar channelings. very instructive on this subjects.
This is liquid gold! I’ve tried following this - observing the thoughts and people… Plain observing without reacting. It feels sooooo good.
May we all win the game of life,
You are awesome!
liquid gold... lol
he's making it up as he goes along
Aren't we all at the end of the day?
My concerns, too, rest with idea that the Life Review is being used as a stick to beat the newcomer into acquiescence i.e. docility. The majority of the NDE-ers all reported a spontaneous push into the Life Review, ready or not. The Life Review experience is memorable, full of the most acute shame. According to Dr. Campbell, the shaming helps to induce the unwilling newly "dead" to enter into a new contract and go back into a new avatar el pronto for new experiences and new opportunities for growth missed the last time around. I am uncomfortable with the reward-punishment-docility theme throughout. Since this "docility" is emphasized, what is the difference between mankind's old religions featuring a big, scary, bearded god, and the overseers?
If I am an eternal spiritual being, why am I still being prompted so that I remain someone else's (compliant) takeout meal (without my knowledge or consent)? Moo! ;)
Kim Jay , no one and i repeat no-one, is beating the Newcomer into acquiescence or docility, no one can shame you unless you allow yourself to be shamed, no-one is out to shame you ! - how about turning that around ? - each incarnation partition (soul, if you like ) does the very best they can , there is no-one judging you, except yourself - there is NO punishment- docility theme - that's a small view very narrow story running.
Religions are a construct, thousands of years old constructs that have served the purpose, of continuing a societal story to meet the needs of the many - totally noble , and necessary for some, one day you will learn what actually happened and perhaps laugh at how seriously we took others Pictures of Reality as our own ?
you are not being asked to be someone else's compliant takeout meal - unless except of course if you are being hunted in the Veld by a Lioness?
@@aquavox1 Thank you Sir. I am so grateful for your candor and especially for your insights. My mentioning of the punishment/reward system was a reference to another one of the legendary Dr. Campbell's videos that explained why having a proper understanding of this VR is important to all. And, of course, my comments about the take-out meals was a reference to Bob Monroe's final book and his own experiences (and conclusions) courtesy of scientific OOBEs (LOOSH accounts). Thank you again, Kim
@@kimjay481 Hi Kim, I would recommend the book Journey of Souls by Michael Newton. It is very similar to what Dr. Campbell says but goes into way more detail. There is no punishment or reward system, and we do have a choice whether and where to return back. There is no bossy God, but highly learnt beings who aid us in whatever choices we make.
Here is a good video that provides a different perspective - ruclips.net/video/n7xwSw7TwS0/видео.html
Absolutely fucking right!
Its amazing to me that he trained with Monroe, had so many experiences, and still thinks all of this is just "data/computer" existence. I dont have the experience he does, but if you're reading this, please know there IS a creatore, God, and you have a purpose beyond what many machine can make. You are loved, and meant to love, and we are all connected with our loved ones again, the one true version of them, not a "data recreation" of them. Robert Monroe, Michael Newton, Dolores Umbrige, they all discoverd this and wrote about this. And so many more. Their stories all fit together and even aligns to a large degree with Tom. He just has a more science focused mind and seems to elimate the soul aspect and anything spiritual. But if you havnt, check our Monreos books, and "life between life" and "journey of souls" they link well with Tom but carry heavily the spiritual aspect. Of course the Bible is always great as well.. And rememeber always what Robert Monreo himself said "dont take my word for it, experience it yourself."
It doesn't work, that's the scam. No lessons can be learned after being mind-wiped. How is this so hard to understand?
yep... the system doesn't work. It's a cosmic joke and nobody seems to notice the punch-line (it's alla dream)
wrong. and if you studied NDE's you would already know this
@@youaresoft-ee4ub Who cares? Do what you want when you croak, go bow at their feet. Doesn't affect me one GD bit.
@@youaresoft-ee4ub Oh I see my response was wiped by positivity. Anyways, why do you care to respond if all is magically wonderful?
@@x2z964 you still didnt do your homework and it shows.
I remember just before I was born. I said, I don't want to go, I don't recognise them, they are not my family. They said you must go, then whoosh, down a light tunnel, then plop, out on the bed. My take on this is my body has two conscious elements. The base or animal function and me or what some define as soul, which is the incorrect definition, I am a seperate entity, not soul. I'm the driver of the taxi cab, the animal base me, or taxi passenger trys to break through occasionally and tell me where I'm going, but I suppress it. If I left the body prior to death my body would be a base function. When I die the me will go back to source, down load my data and then come back again.
I've had past life regression hypnosis and recognise many shadows from the past. I believe these are earth bound not soul and come through our genetic memory, not energetic memory. I like to fish, but found in a past life my earth family mainly ate fish, the fish went and we starved to death, hence my driver to fish now. Once i found this out I have very little inclination to go fishing as I've worked that through. My elbow hurt, in a past life my arm was cut off. Now after recognising this is a memory shadow it no longer hurts. From this I also recognise race memory or hive memory. It's all very complex and needs some really good scientific investigation. Oh, beleive it or not and it will be a not, I can see the Matrix and no, it's not green.
Row Row Row your boat , gently down the stream ,, merrily merrily merrily merrily . life is but a dream
😂😂😂
Wow that’s actually pretty profound. It’s so simplistic and so basic. One of the first songs we learn. But it’s so true. It’s actually pretty deep.
@@georgialee01 Truth
I read this song twice today on different videos 😛
It's weird because from a higher perspective of things nothing really exists. The matrix is invisible.
You are so lucky that you were able to have spontaneous physical experiences when you were young, so that you can freely feel the spiritual world when you grow up. This ability is very difficult for us, and we must practice a lot to reach this level. Even many people cannot obtain this ability after a lot of practice.
I’ve recently done research into what people call the “reincarnation trap” or “recycled souls.” Basically, the whole process of reincarnation is based upon a cycle of ‘learning’ and ‘evolving’ through experience to reach enlightenment. From what I’ve gathered and understood, it appears that souls in this dimension don’t necessary become ‘enlightened’ when leaving the body at the moment we call ‘death.’ That would depend on their state of consciousness at the time. We live in a multi-dimensional Matrix prison reality, in other words, there’s many non-physical levels (astral realms) of the Matrix beyond this dimension where souls gravitate to with countless ‘heavenly’ realities that souls believe they’re in some sort of religious ‘heaven’, however, it’s just another level of this Matrix trap to imprison Consciousness. What lies beyond the Matrix is realms of Infinite Possibility (Space less, Timeless, Formless and Stillness).
I keep hearing that the tunnel light of what most NDE’s see is a false trap to lure souls into a dimension of dark negative entities (archons, reptilians, demiurge) masquerading as ‘higher’ beings in forms of spirit guides, council of elders, advisors, teachers, even dead relatives! I know, sounds crazy, right? Hear me out..ask yourself why is the Spirit world hierarchical in structure? Why are spirit guides encouraging souls to reincarnate back to Earth? Why are these external entities such as the Council of Elders claim ‘they know best?’ Shouldn’t we be following our Higher and Infinite Selves? Why don’t we consciously remember our previous past lives? Could our memories by wiped out on purpose? If our true nature and core essence is always connected to the Source, then why do we need to go through these cycles of incarnating and evolving? Interestingly, for example The Tibetans in the Tibetan Book of the Dead, that is read to dying Tibetans...speak of avoiding the false light and the distractions.
Perhaps, we need to awaken from our collective amnesia trance and remember who we really are by learning through experiences? To strip away all these layers of fear, doubt and disbelief, ignorance, perception, to free our minds that have been programmed to cover our true Infinite Awareness? To strip away everything we are not like belief systems and everything imposed on our minds since birth? What if recurring bad experiences can also imprison human perception deeper into density and programmed illusion? Why do we have to suffer to be ‘saved’?
Indeed, If this Matrix dimension is a prison along with other levels that cycle back here again in a loop of experience, then from that perspective, to me, it would make perfect sense that these negative dark forces have created a system of recycling souls back here again so they can absorb our low vibrational energy of fear, guilt, resentment, hatred in the form of suffering, war, adversity etc... But the issue is most people especially in the New Age and Religious communities don't acknowledge it's a prison, trap or there's deception and manipulation taking place. Endless repeating experiences or incarnations of the same basic perception programming is not going to set souls free, but can reinforce and further empower the very illusions and deceptions that hold humanity in perceptual servitude.
Nisargadatta Maharaj and Ramana Maharshi, they were enlightened. Go through Nisargadatta's I AM THAT. Google has a link to free PDF copy. Then there is Sarvapriyananda on RUclips of NYC Vedanta society. He teaches from the Upanishads. Vast teachings. Your picture of reality should get more accurate. Nisargadatta is one of my heroes. However, words are only pointers. You can only know reality by being it.
@@joymukherji2702 This has nothing to do with what I've just posted.
How did we end up in this prison in the first place then? Do you have any idea or knowledge about this? Just curious.
@@mellowcuddlekins there's so many theories that exist, but one of them resonate with me and that is the information david icke has been exposing. I suggest you read his books.
@@naz0079 Icke is a nutjob!
he is echoing what just heard by sri nisargadatta - as we go from one virtual reality to another it is then possible that this very venue is another destination - the dream analogy makes this easier to comprehend
Describing a the ‘soul’ of a dead person as being part of a data-base is the interpretation of a physicist who is immersed in byte-based technology. No bad thing, but other folks have a different interpretation, use different terminology and have a different perspective.
It is funny however that we created such systems. We are recreating entire worlds in virtual reality. We did this through our consciousness. If consciousness is able to create that, the idea must come from somewhere. It's like we've reinvented the reality we can't see in this dimension in to physical existence.
I've bounced between many different kinds of beliefs. Started as Christian at young age, Atheist, New Age (we are Gods), Muslim, Spiritual, Hinduism, it all just didn't feel right. As a kid i always had this inner knowing of perfect understanding how life truly works, but i couldn't bring it in to words. It felt like the knowing was stuck in my chest area. Later i understood this as reincarnation, but as my ego started to develop i had let it go. Since then i had a very turbulent life with a lot of meaningful moments, always seeking for answers. As a truck driver, i've spend hundreds if not thousands of hours on reading, listening to podcasts, watching videos. It's my luck that nowadays (European) trucks are able to drive autonomous. Anyway, the theory explained in this video, out of all the thousands of videos i've watched, feels most logic and legit to me. Consciousness is evolving, and loving. The pain i inflicted upon others has come back to me and almost killed me. But at the same time blessed me both financially and in wisdom. We should live a constructive life on all terms in order to grow, in stead of destructive.
One big question that remains for me... Does consciousness just infinitely wants to experience, learn and grow? Or will it one day decide it has learned enough and move in to another stage? What would that stage be? Just enjoy? Enjoy in a perfect dimension without suffering and negativity? What do we, as a consciousness, ultimately want to achieve other than just experiencing? I always get bored after i've played the same game for a long time, especially when reached certain goals in that game. Usually games then change, they always improve. I guess we will just experience again, but in an improved reality.
That is the danger with describing things with metaphors and analogies. If people would stick to honest direct language i think a lot of these differences of "perspective" simply wouldn´t exist.
@@1112viggo For example, substituting VR for Illusion and "Computer" with mind would be more all inclusive considering computers can be seen as minds. The use of the terminology in MBT isn't necessarily literal but rather a useful metaphor that if taken literally can make everything seem artificial and cold
@@phillemon7664 Well i guess, but that kind of word choices would depend on what audience you try to cater to, young people for instance may be inclined to prefer virtual reality over illusion for, but in the end the point comes across just fine.
Im more concerned about using proper descriptive language to explain the underlying science (I'm not convinced there even is any) rather than using simplified metaphors that in worst case leads to widespread misconceptions even when the science is actually sound.
Ya know? Like Neil Degrasse and that Asian guy who is literally in every mainstream science program saying shit like "oh the universe is like butterfly filled with tiny spaghetti that vibrate like Iphone"
Dr. Campbell you’re such an inspiration and a very interesting scientist. Thank you.
It seems a contradiction to claim after you die you forget but that everything is recorded. My feeling is after you die you remember all your past lives and the current finished life and that you enjoy them for a period of time before going back to learn more
Learn what for what ,mind wipe says it is all a lie , you can never learn or retain any thing, we are loosh for the reptilians we are no more than cows to them , I am not playing their game any more not coming back
Tom is mostly right, but there's some caveats. To keep this short and not overshare what I consider one of the most deep, meaningful, and revelatory events of my brief visit to this domain, I will simply say the following:
- The groups in this "iteration" may or may not be members (distinct individual consciousnesses) of the "group" (this term is inadequate) your higher self is bonded with, and you may not see them again, and if you do you may not feel the immense, deep, profound connection to them you have here. I can say that encountering my "group" (I have a deep word for these agents) was so intense that I cannot help but feel very at ease knowing they are there waiting for me. The feeling is like realizing that every strand of our character and core being meshes perfectly, and we are whole. It is a feeling of the deepest warmth and love, and in a domain where there is no despair, need for jealousy, or anxiety. At all. It literally doesn't exist. When I saw my "group" they were amazing and full of deep and indescribable love. Their embrace and mere voices were so clear and washed over my presence like a blanket of warmth and compassion.
- The "iterations" (individual simulations) are our greater consciousness's ability to experience variation. I will do my best to explain this to everyone who took the time to read this.
There is a concept called "Laplace's Daemon". Simplified - It is a hypothetical computer construct that knows the position, direction, rotation and all projected interactivity of all atoms (our universe's "pixels") in this universe. One single variation of a single atom gets you a different result. Sometimes almost almost the same as your current experience, but with pink shoes being the only difference.
Now, imagine you want to experience *everything possible*.
What you do is you make a construct where you can insert your consciousness into a variation of Laplace's Daemon, and you experience being every permutation of being in every potential permutation of universe by changing every atom in every potential permutation that it can be changed.
What this gives our higher selves is the ability to be every possible permutation or outcome of "self".
Now, imagine being able to author the general overall framework for a universe. You build this construct with a variety of interdependent and interactive series of laws.
You "shake this snowglobe" and knowing that [X] number of times it results in life,, you see what emerges.
You then perpetually "image" (save an active state) of this existence all along the way, and change variables and values to experience different outcomes.
(This is where the "Mandela Effect" comes from, by the way.)
The key is to live out your experience in a given reference frame, and then when you find yourself back in "the waiting room", what I didn't hear Tom say was you CAN simply stay on the higher plane of existence if you so desire, but there seems to be a degree of "stagnation" and the "lack of risk" simply means you can go live another entirely different (or similar) life to the one you just did.
Remember that every potential permutation/iteration is available to you. Some more desirable than others.
For those of you lost on "meaning of life", the meaning is to take the agency you have, and enjoy/explore the freedom it entails. Define and understand yourself. That is your gift. Stop looking for external definition and validation.
In turn, respect and acknowledge the same gift given to others with the knowledge that a devaluation of their agency is an open invitation to devalue yours.
If you were externally bound by definition you would be devaluing your agency unless your desire was to be externally defined.
FInally: For those who are like, "Well if this is just a simulation, then who gives a shit?"
Experience is experience.
This is just as meaningful as any other "existence".
Youn should have been interviewd. I get the feeling that many people here are contributing aspects that just one lens cannot give, but the core part you stated here is what has come throgh every greart channeling I've heasrd or seen and the core of Vedanta. My one caveat is we seem to build on attributes we have gained,
@@kenkaplan3654 I appreciate that, but there are pros and cons to sharing my story.
I do think it could be very beneficial to others while simultaneously sailing right through one ear and out the other for a large portion of them. Then there is the derision and attempted reduction that comes into laser-focus during and afterwards.
I could tolerate both if it meant sharing what has been imparted to me but usually these things devolve into undesirable after effects.
I have no egotistical drive for sharing my information. That's so hard for people in this reality to comprehend.
There is so much lechery, subterfuge, manipulation, and constant prodding to see how and where one agent can use another to their advantage that it has become the standardized model for *ALL* civilizations on this planet. It is normative social behavior, and it is maddening to someone like me to witness it everywhere I go. There are also people, like me, who are less analytical but more empathetic and compassionate and for these people this is "hell on Earth". It is like being locked in a box of their worst nightmares.
This iteration is indeed a struggle to return to basic mutual respect for one another's agency without diminishing the agency of others.
When I was there it was abundantly and crystal clear that all agents are equal in this and all iterations, and it is only the impositions we place on each other that reduce us, and it should be our common goal to provide for each other while allowing each agent to have the most freedom as possible.
I went as far as to try to formalize the moral model shown to me, and it is vastly superior to antiquated notions of "The Golden Rule", or "Hammurabi's Code".
Will or would people listen?
Well, I have formalized my model and provided it to philosophers and they immediately ego/authority-peacock, which is ironic given some of the earliest fallacies one learns in philosophy is "Argumentum ad auctoritate" (Argument to authority) and "Argumentum ad verecundiam" (Argument to Reverence). This was frustrating because even though my model was robust, their egos were not, and it turned into what they perceived as an attack on their "selves" as they clung to a different model and the fact that the antiquated model they adhered to was "older and more discussed."
I initially wanted to share the beauty of my encounter with others via Alex Ferrari's podcast but my wife told me to think about it for a while just to be sure.
So that is where I am at.
@@ralphellis4569 I appreciate that. My take, after doing this for 56 years and having literally hundreds if not thousands of mystical communions with higher order reality is on many levels I am not concerned about the behavior or beliefs of others. In some ways I am as I have learned we all have different triggers. In the metaphysical realm I do not.
What I have seen is one of the rules of this place is each is endowed with "dharma" (soul purpose) and alignment with that is impossible to deny. Any frustration might ential karma. I know there is monumental corruption of many things. I don't care. (in this arena, I am more triggrred politically) My job is not to be responsible fior the actions of others but to express myself to the fullest.
One thing I know for absolute certainty is there is a Higher Order Source Consciousness (aka God) that we are apriori one with. The illusion of Maya gives the appearance of separation and lack of remenbrance. Once connected to this Source in a truly meaningful, ongoing direct experience way, the lansdscape reveals the reality of love, intelligence, design and grace underpinning everything. As connection deepens, there is expansion on all fronts, especially in awakening and intuition.
I feel there are two imperatives. Align as much as possible with one's essence and whatever inlaid gifts have been given. Alignment is key. Then surrender ego conceoptions of what should be or how things should develop. I have been extremely blessed to have been given many gifts and all have been supported by a river of Grace. Simultaneously, "to those who have been given much, there is great responsibility".
I was led by Spirit (i don't resonate well with the highly technological language here although I understand it) to the realm of "afterlife studies" and "the technololgy of consciousness" but in a less technical form than Tom erxpresses it.
Why are you submitting youyr model or experiences to others one might deem authorities? Who cares what they think?. Neale Donald Walsch wrote Cnversations With God without any of that. Maybe you have more to give, a fresh perspective, than those"authorities". A friend of mine who is a channel said "There is an ear for every voice, and a voice for every ear" Who knows who or how many need your unique expression?
I don't know how connected within you are in waking life but my experienes are all answers are there. Gifts and experiences are not given to be hidden. Mazybe thee is just a bit of inner work to do before the gift can be expressed. Maybe there is a plan to heighten your readiness in understanding and communication around these experiences and ideas.
I have had a lot of inner obstacles expanding an intutive business but because of these principles and unfathomable support of Grace I am absolutely determined to express these gifts as fully as I can because I know they were inlaid for a purpose. This requires deep, intention on both fronts, alignment and surrender. This is the best I can do for humanity. What happens is not my responsibility. Buddhism is very he;pful in acknowledging and accepting "what is". If we all were blown up tomorrow, it would not change our immortal nature.
Hope this helps.
I have some questions. How do you grow if you always forget your past lives when you are living life? What’s the point of getting ahead if you always start with no experience? I don’t see that being efficient at all. Also, how is it freedom if everything you do and think is stored on an accessible database? Isn’t that what Snowden is arguing agains yet the very universe seems to be one big google????
Everything you do and experience is recorded as impressions / tendencies in your soul. Your nature in this life is because of the impressions of your karmas from past lives.
Absolutely fascinating that a finite mind such Toms would be able to shrink it’s ego to the point of being able to experience obe’s on command, and then be able to accompany departing souls to their transitional realities.
I had a NDE, and others have...and there are those that have had OBEs. In those cases the "silver chord" hasn't been severed...and won't be until our physical body reaches the point that it no longer is alive (the ego dies with it). Until the "silver chord" is finally severed, we won't know the full truth of the afterlife, IMO. Until then, whether NDE or OBE (or whatever), we're still subject to our egos, albeit to varying (?) degrees. So, I don't think anyone, while in this physical plane, has a complete picture of the afterlife in interpreting these experiences. NDEs, OBEs all have different (sometimes wildly different) experiences, yet the result in the commonality of the reality of afterlife and the importance of divine love is clearly there.
Exactly 👏
The millions of documented NDE's and OBE's are simply a glimpse into the afterlife but they do serve as tangible proof of what is to come following the death of the human body. Regardless, you are correct, we only get a small peak behind the veil.
Yes. NDE's are galore. I'm looking for a DE. Anyone?
@@merakli07 Well, there's only one way to find out
Finally I've found this clip that I've watched years ago and somehow I couldn't remember the title .
Yes old guy is right we're all part of a universal conscience, we're NOT individuals, there are NOT our beloved ones actually waiting for us on the other side.
We're actually the same being incarnated in billions of bodies and we think we're individual.
We can actually reincarnate in the "past" too and in other places not necessarily Earth . Quite interesting and fascinating imho
This lays down some solid grounds for the simulation theory btw
Source : I had 2 NDEs
This is a brilliant exposition of Incarnation and the afterlife/ futurelife / and concurrent lives we live, i use different terminology but the meaning comes clearly through exquisitely here, we are so .. so .lucky and privileged to have this understanding.
Checkout 'Mary Kelley past lives are simulteaneasly lives'.
"Of course, it is only because most people believe that you cannot leave your body that you do not consciously have out-of-body experiences with any frequency, generally speaking, in your lifetimes."
"In many cases, immediately on leaving the body there is, of course, amazement and a recognition of the situation. The body itself may be viewed, for example, and many funerals have a guest of honor amidst the company - and no one gazes into the face of the corpse with as much curiosity and wonder."
-Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul; Part Two: Chapter 9: Session 536, June 22, 1970, Jane Roberts © 2012 Laurel Davies-Butts
I had an OBE once. My question is this: If we are eternal beings and we are conciseness, What is the purpose? Eternal existence has already achieved yes? There is no longer a struggle, then, Is all this just for fun? To have something to do?
this just me but, i believe the universe invented itself to experience its self in many life forms🤷🏽♀️
@@steak8278 Yeah. It’s amazing to think how screwed up we have gotten this whole thing called life.
@@steak8278 yeah I know what you mean.
@@chipotle_godd do I have to experience rotten teeth all the time. one cavity is enough in next life please. and maybe no wars, cancer etc. I hope nobody has to reincarnate as the cancer to cover both sides of the experience.
@@dsego84 The cancer isn't complex enough to hold an IUOC, think of your "physical" body's functions being controlled by the LCS while you (the Free Will Awareness Unit) "control" the brain
Dr. Tom it’s the universal mind that is responsible for creating all these different realities.
Think of the netflix show "Altered Carbon" with how they store individual consciousness onto a drive and can reupload that consciousness into a new avatar.
In "real" life, there is no disk to get uploaded to as a holding place, instead, it would be a different realm / plane of existence.
And so it will be for mr Campbell, it is an amazing system we live in
It's quite interesting how our views align, despite us trailing different paths in different cultures. Sure, sometimes I think like "yeah... Tom is oversimplifying a bit too much" or "yeah I guess you could see it that way", but nonetheless it's still nicely aligned to my own personal experiences. Best of luck to you, Tom.
Do you also have OBEs on demand like Tom does?
I don’t believe our memories fade.. I believe our emotional entanglements fade.
in the free planets of the universe there is no partitioning, but the whole unit of consciousness enters the game with all its knowledge, all the memories thus the evolution is sustainable, the partitioning serves a treadmill situation where the excess "loosh" that is produced by the ignorance and the pain is farmed.
How did we end up in this prison in the first place?
@@mellowcuddlekins my answer comment keeps vanishing... someone does not want the truth to come out... it is a galactic penal system of life in ignorance-death-erase-reincarnate-repeat
@@stELjedi this is depressing to hear :/
Watch '12th dimensional earth's grid'
Video on RUclips to see how deep the matrix system is.
Ok. Here's a question: when Bob MONROE visited his friend who had a cabin, and created his own sunsets etc. Was that actually his friend or a system created doppelganger?
“the system” … the more Tom explains it, the more it sounds like the universe and true reality acts innately on its own set of laws and constructs..
In my opinion, free-will, like all of reality, is simulated..we just have range of complex choices, experiences and sensations.
He says “the system” is not unlimited or eternal, but in my opinion, the universe is paradoxical and completely eternal but also holds the concept of “limits”. I believe that Past & Future all exist in the current Now, because time is an illusion within our eternal oneness-consciousness.
Yes, oneness-consciousness (the all) is leaning and growing, but it’s contained and infinite all at the same time.
How do we know Tom’s obe acid trips weren’t just another simulated experience given to him by “the system” to help him “cope” through his reality? (That’s basically the answer he gives to everything else)
I completely respect his views and know he’s put a lot of time and effort into his research and collaborations with others who have also dedicated energies to his work. I really enjoy his mind and concepts and think there all some truths and synchronicities with other consciousness/reality research..but even his toe has holes…
It's his personal subjective big TOE, but it is good to be open and sceptical about such experiences
Exactly the system is something I don't want to be part of, the soul trap
Tom Campbell is correct about many things, but he's not correct about some other things. He has done a lot of personal work with his OBE research, but, as you pointed out, all of those experiences are the experiences of one mind--- Tom Campbell's mind. His experiences are not necessarily the complete and universal Truth with a capital T. They are filtered through his own consciousness and are the truths he is able to process at this point in his development. This is true for everyone, of course--- which is why I find it helpful to learn about many people's experiences in these areas.
(One of the things he is not correct about, for example, is that the universe or unversal consciousness is not infinite. It is. Another example: He says that sometimes people will reincarnate with the same person if they can help each other grow but "it doesn't happen that often". This is not correct. It not only happens regularly, it is actually a feature of the system. We reincarnate with the same group of souls--- our immediate soul group-- over many lifetimes--- until we have progressed as far as we can with that group. Only then do we start expanding the experiences with other souls in nearby groups.).
@@CyrilAndPriscilla He has the limiting belief that for something to be real and growing it has to by definition be finite but I myself don't see why infinities (∞) can't stack on top of infinities (• ℵ) to create even bigger infinities (large cardinal numbers for instance such as the Woodin Cardinal or Mahlo Cardinal), I think the nature of something being finite only really applies to worlds limited by strict geometry. I think what he says about beliefs are true in that if you are brought up into certain backgrounds you will subconsciously put limitations onto things to make them easier to understand. Source could really not be the only AUM in the gut of an AUMosaurus but that does not mean it has to be finite, it just has to be a smaller infinity unless AUM is being implied to be physical by Tom
@@phillemon7664 I agree entirely. It's the difference between countably and uncountably infinite. Like there are an infinite number of counting numbers (1, 2, 3, 4....)... but there also are an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2, for example--- an infinite number of decimals. There are both an infinite number of counting numbers and an infinite number of decimals--- but there are MORE decimals than counting numbers! One infinity is larger than the other one and the smaller infinity fits inside the larger one, but both are still infinite. Or, even more simply, the number of Rational numbers (numbers that can be written as a fraction of counting numbers) is infinite and is a subset of Real numbers (which consists of Rational and Irrational numbers. Irrational are those that CAN"T be written as a fraction--- like pi.) The number of Real numbers is ALSO infinite, but a LARGER infinity than Rational numbers. In physics, they also talk about the expansion of the universe--- but the universe isn't expanding INTO anything. That's a case where something can be both finite as well as infinite at the same time. That's a way of saying that it's POSSIBLE there may be a universal, infinite creator of THIS universe, and yet that infinite creator may STILL be a part of a greater infinity. It's turtles all the way down!
I would like to ask Tom how do we get out of this system he describes? I no longer wish to be part of this system.
I don't buy everything he says. He talks as if reality is a computer program. I don't think so
Maybe my mom is out here in the world somewhere near or far. She died young... only 44 yrs old. I was 24... oldest of 7. Looking back, it was devastating to the life trajectories of the children. Omg... this stuff blows my mind.
I was raised LDS and turned atheist 20 years ago. Now I'm finding all this out. Other story but Christian Saunders hooked me. He said to Tom C is worth checking out.
I wonder if he had a near death experience because he contradicts many ndes. People like Nanci danison who had a nde and experienced the transition process, she says that we are in control of everything. Yes, the afterlife has many stages and we have angels, loved ones, paradise states but those are part of the transition. These are experiences created by us but Tom is saying that is created by a machine or matrix system ? A good little video to watch is 'NDE- Manifesting the Afterlife experience'.
ruclips.net/video/_nSQQEODsyU/видео.html
There are also people who had NDE´s who are convinced they went to hell or heaven, and others who experienced nothing but blackness, and of course the classic with your whole life flashing before your eyes. How can there be a contradiction when peoples experiences very so much?
@@1112viggo because you make your own workd
@@C3l3bi1 I don´t. The proof of that is the fact that I'm here and not in boob world.
@@1112viggo That happened to me in 2018. I was in coma but i wasn't conscious and didn't go anywhere. I wonder why some people remain conscious and others don't.
Tom, what is your view on karma: own, family for several generations and what ways do you suggest to deal with it, if that is needed?
Thank you
Very helpful snippet. Thanks for the edit and upload 😊
He misses the part about gnosticism, archons, and how this whole reality is designed to keep us trapped. Why won't he talk about the loosh harvesting that Robert Monroe described?
This man did not die and become
alive again to tell us truth!!
Nobody knows for certain.
The soul lives on.
i think so 2
@@kaierickson3424 Kai, he did not DIE.
Think.
@@kaierickson3424 Yes, a total waste of time.
Yes for reïncarnation.
He is a human.
He has not died.
I believe Godis experiencing 'life' in a physical body ..through all creation ..
Everything has a living soul( energy) ..
God is consciousness ( energy) ..
He is the flame and we are sparks of that flame.
Bible tells 'He knew us before we were born' ...
Everyone has different talents, we came here( world) to serve, to make it better.
People came here by free will.
All has to to with the 'growing of spirit. All has to do with love.
If one fail the 'love test' you'll have to repeat the 'test' here ...
It is a very hard test.
Only One is perfectly pure, good and that One is Jesus!
I follow Him!!
Not a human.
Everyone has a right to an opinion.
Checkout Nanci danison nde.
So this is the reason why the elites think they can download their consciousness into a machine and live forever? But it’s not really “them”, correct? Where does their soul essence end up going? That is my question
I’ve been listing to Tom fir a lil while… and I just had an .. oh ya moment bc now I understand what the darkness was..
A man tried to kill me in front of my kids many years ago..and I came from a place where things of this nature just wasn’t talked about. Reincarnation.. etc.
after he shot me 4 times w a .38 my life changed forever.
After the first responders came .. I went blank.. all o remember is darkness and my consciousness concentrated on the sound and where the ambulance was. I knew each bump rr track stop light in my mind..
I’ve never been able to understand what happened to me during that dark time. Many years later my daughter asked me why did they say clear?… I found out I had died. They were shocking me…I know I lived bc I didn’t want my children to have to live with seeing their mother violently killed in front of them. That dark place was the transition place… I couldn’t let go of my body. I was in shock .. shot in the head shoulder leg and for arm.
I awoke in the emergency room in a gurney w ppl talking to me..my kids were there….it was really bright once I woke up.
Thank you for helping me understand this more❤️
What if Tom Campbell was being played by the greater consciousness system? I'm not reputing his whole belief system, however, at the end of the day that is all it is. I sense we can't ever know the whole truth but I do concur, live with kindness, live with integrity and be good to each other.
"Reincarnation is just a story for the ignorant." >Nisargadatta Maharaj
I know you're ignorant. From the amount of proof that we have it's beyond doubt that we reincarnate.
Um, sounds interesting but there are only 2 things to learn, pain and pleasure. Everyone makes mistakes because it's programmed into the subconscious mind. It's basically a trap to get you back in a body again to learn more? Round and round you go. It never stops. Get off the merry go round and stay off. That's what you need to learn! Sorry to burst your bubble but it's true.
100% AGREE!
Dear Tom,
What if I refuse the “System”’s order to send me back here again next time? What would happen to my consciousness?? Would I be tortured for eternity? If I refuse to go into the so called light tunnel?
@@steak8278 Dear Tom,
Are there Archons in the spiritual plane? More powerful demon spirits that can imprison you into a hell like state of torture to your spirit after death?
@@steak8278 Dear Tom,
I so appreciate you taking time to answer my questions? If I may... can we seize going on? Can we no longer exist? Can we meld with the first cause beyond the system? So we no longer have to choose or create? So we can finally rest?
@@steak8278 thank you 😊
There is no penalty for refusing to incarnate again, however an individual would be strongly encouraged to do so, eventually the individual will choose to return with their own free will, as our learning school (earth) provides all the opportunity to spiritually to grow.
This is a very basic way of describing our system of spiritual growth, check out more of Tom Campbells videos
In spiritism we study that we continue being the same individuals with free will. The problem is that the phisical body is too dense and the responsible to forget what the spirit did in the spirit world. We get to the spirit world every night when we sleep to see loved ones, to work and to learn. When you wake up, you will remind what is to be reminded (really usefull for your growth).
🙂🙂 so true
So decades later, after Tom passes away, I will still be able to talk to him about Big TOEs as long as I know how to connect to those databases? Nice, I'll keep that in mind. That said, long live Tom!
Are you taking your computer with you?
Do you think you can take a break in between and what do you think happens after you graduate life? Does that happen if you have learned everything
I like these ideas but have also come across research which says that reincarnation is a trap to feed Archons who are negative low vibrational beings. This makes us farm animals. This view does say that humans were not always ruled over. So I am back at square 1. Do I refuse to into the light or give myself to it? Any help greatly appreciated as I am 63 and not in the best of health. I need to know!!
So if I’m understanding correctly .. when u say we lose our memories when we pass. So you’re saying that.. I will never remember my earth daughter?
That appeared to be an excellent example of scientism reaching for metaphysics. It is a cold, dry, mechanical process and a product of a culture that is steeped in materialism. His theories fly in the face of other modern and ancient "speculations" on the afterlife. Maybe there is a projection of paranoia in there, too?
My rhetorical question to Tom would be: are you entertaining your own thought forms? The mind is great at providing them.
What about our family in THIS experience? I love them beyond words and the notion of FORGETTING them is incredibly upsetting. I'm still powering my way through MBT, and perhaps this will be cleared up as I gain understanding. I would LOVE to meet the "user" or "operator" that was my mom. Is that a possibility?
OK, the discussion of the database helps.
Boy, do I need to develop my ability to meditate!
that's basically what he's trying to say we can get to see them and reincarnate with them again ..but in small parts ...like different lives one or two maybe will re-incarrnate with us and some parts will remain in the 'system' or their own little astral world...then come back thru cycle again but your individual conscious experience you will most likely want to come thru and finish something sooner or later during the process..meanwhile this system still will hold keys to all we have reincarnated with so we never will likely never forget them nor them us...
Ya it is sad. I guess i dont get it yet
Man, this is soo depressing. The last thing I want to do is ever set foot on this planet.
Exactly
lol
HINT: you are doing life wrong. the good news is there is still time for you to understand that you are.
Could someone please clarify with Tom Campbell that there is a IUOC “individuated Unit Of Consciousness” with the Avatars memories. Right?
Really? This whole recycling process sounds so tedious, so human, all too human. "That side" is too much like "this side." Honing our pettiness for thousands of years--is that all evolution is about? Whether there or here, isn't there anything more substantial to create than more soap operas--days of our lives, the young and the restless. So small, and dull...
That's only your interpretation of this information, not necessarily how you will actually experience it or perceive that experience as it happens.
As you grow, learn, & evolve, your perception, viewpoint, & outlook will change.
Is your comment based on this interview….or have you read his books….this universe and his mentioning of the other side is not a sliver not a grain of sand in the larger reality available to us …Toms teaching is far from being “limited” …about how far as you can get…. all the best
Question: all the deceased that are present in the after life realm, have they not reincarnated and left that realm? Seems many NDE experiencers meet many relatives some whom passed 40 earth years prior. Seems like an error in this theory somehow. Anyone have any ideas?
According to Tom, the relative you meet in the afterlife is simply a "replica" (if you will) of your relative and is generated from a database that stores everything about your relative and can even interact with you as that relative when you arrive in the afterlife. It's hard to wrap your head around this concept, but as Tom explains it, our relatives don't sit around in heaven waiting for us to arrive so they can greet us. That would be inefficient. As you rightly surmise in your question, they have (likely) reincarnated and moved on to other lives. Thus the database. Hope that helps
You forget your reality like a dream, but then you remember you had anger management issues when questioned?
these emotional peaks (negative or positive) are recorded and stored. A more evolved consciousness may be aware of his own weaknesses and strengths and a less evolved (self centered) one may not be aware of it, so the system will make you go through and feel these peak emotional moments. An example would go like this: System: "see how you said you will be more honest before you engaged in your last simulation and see how you reacted in these situations" then you see / feel those times when you could make the right choices to be honest but didn't. This would show that your inner self still did not grasp this quality, in this case.
Let's say that you wanted to experience a physical life system where the beings there have no bad intentions, no ego, no greed, a pleasant place to be and learn other ways of evolving surrounded by great love. Well, if your consciousness level is filled with ego, you would not fit in that place. You will have to qualify first, to get there. The other beings there won't accept you. It's like putting a hungry ferocious lion in a kindergarten. A less evolved form of consciousness would disrupt the on going of activities and learning processes in that more evolved system. I'm not saying your consciousness is primitive but get my point.
@@alneri1249 this just seems like a bunch of nonsensical assumption about the nature of how people are treated.
there is no relation to how things actually work, if you are a low quality "being" which is already dumb, there is no standard as to what to call quality you can call anything quality depending on what you want quality means nothing by itself.
but ignoring that there is nothing that says you can ressurect in a body that is predisopsed to be more loving and that can live in any society.
how do aliesn work? clearly animals and your body determines your behaviour for the most part, excluding whatever spritiual residue you have. so it means nothing.
also why have this emotions to begin with if all they do is get in the way of growth?
I think if the partitioned consciousness decides that i am not interested in earth, i t can stay in another realm for as long as it wants. Any thoughts on this aspect ?
None of the people who claim to have knowledge of this topic deal with the problem of evil, cruel, murderous, and insane people. Do we choose to find out what it's like to be insane by incarnating as a crazy murderer? Hardly seems like the road to enlightenment to me. Any attempt to explain the afterlife must address evil, but nobody does. What about that, Mr. Campbell?
Good question. After Uvalde it's very hard to see how God can be in charge of this mess . I'm trying , but it's hard .
@@ursamajor7645 Simple, this PMR isn't as much of a big deal from our perspective as it is from Source's. It's best to just let stuff happen and for us to be good and make the best out of that outcome for God to just intervene and make it all okay again. No one learns if everything is fixed for us, we have to learn
Tom has a factory view of our existence, churning out chunks of better iuoc's along an infinite conveyer belt of reality. From a humans point of view, friends, loved ones, great songs and chocolate cake are almost meaningless when you die, unless the transition phase can be more elaborate? Much of the iuoc meat ends up on the factory floor and much of reality (if shared) is not efficient enough to create better consciousness...a rag can only clean up so much dirt
His ideas are not even comforting to me personally. I care about my life and my memories, I don't want to wake up and learn it was just dream and all the special moments and experiences just go poof into thin air and I'm some glowing orb, sounds very dystopian. I'd rather be dead dead in that case and there is nothing, since my existence is me here on earth, I am me, fully. Not sure how much you can learn if you get your memory wiped between each life. If this reincarnation cycle is real, than the demiurge/archon theory sounds more plausible, since the whole setup looks hellish.
I have always found Tom Campbell to be very 'hard faced'. Almost to the point of arrogance. To dismiss meaningful experience, love, as mere something to be discarded upon 'death' like an old coat seems psychopathic. I agree with his premise on consciousness, but his rhetoric on it, leaves me cold and quite sad.
I used to think I have things figured out. Now, I no longer think I know anything.
What do we actually know? Nothing.
In late 2017 (I think, it's at least possible it was early 2018) I died, and experienced the beginning of the transition reality. At first I traveled through the tunnel of light that has been spoken of so often, and found myself on a beach. Very similar to the scene from the movie Contact, when Jody Foster's character went into the machine, except the sky was daylight.
I was communicating with... something? Someone? Myself? I have no idea. I was still ME, but I was not Kevin anymore, although that doesn't even make sense to me when I say it. Whatever/whoever I was communicating with was answering my game of 2,000 questions, and I know there is much more I don't remember, I DO remember talking extensively about reincarnation, and even being shown parts of something that was a former lifetime of my own, where I was a Chief of some tribe somewhere that we today would consider highly primitive. I was told in no uncertain terms that reincarnation is very real, and very repetitive (I get the feeling that we're eventually talking hundreds of thousands if not millions of times), and that we won't necessarily be human, or on this rock, or even in this Universe. I know I was told much more, but I have no memories of most of it, yet anyway.
I have 'flown off the handle' from time-to-time, but I wouldn't say it was a huge problem for me, so perhaps it's something else. I know I'm not perfect yet, and I'm not even sure that's possible. I know next time I don't want to be human, or if I must be, I want an easy life where I'm born into fabulous wealth and can live a playboy and/or playgirl jetset lifestyle. Though I imagine I will insist on flying the plane, at least occasionally, at least if the new me is even remotely like this me. I'm tired of the abject stupidity of homo sapiens.
I would really enjoy a lifetime in a space fairing species, like something similar to the Star Trek universe, only with maybe less shooting. It makes for fun TV and movies, but I'm not sure I'd want to get shot at and almost die like every single day of my life.
What if we don’t want to get another earthly avatar? What if we want to evolve in a different virtual reality/energy system?
totally, Jay - it is your choice.
Transition from body consciousness to soul consciousness through the fire of Yoga.
@@aquavox1 - One would think so, but have you heard all of the near death experience stories? many people are forced, coerced, and tricked into coming back.
My uncle is passing soon, I mentioned to my mother about seeing "dead people" in the room, her reply was "that's just the morphine". Could anyone please tell me, does Tom cover such considerations in any of his talks? My own experience tells me that is not the case.
I showed this video to my son today. He knows about OBE’s and all. However he did asked me about ghost .
I am not sure if I know what they are.
Have a few theories... anyone. Have a more concrete answer? I would I appreciate it.
Has the process remained the same since eternity or it may have evolved/modified like on earth humans have evolved?
Our avatars are temporary & thus after death the memories of the avatar's experience fades but is saved in the Super Consciousness. Yet our avatar doesn't have access to the unpartitioned or super consciousness.
So what really exists is the Super Consciousness generating subsets of itself into unconscious/unaware
partitions. Why does it seem counter productive to deny access to the Reality by creating the Illusion?
And how can the knowledgeable piece of consciousness be judged or expected to improve via life experiences when that "quality" or potential is not making the choices. I just don't understand the super consciousness is judging itself when it was not making the choices.
@@steak8278 so, in the end it doesn’t matter.... living by default or letting go... if positive - acceptance etc. attracts the same positive, then where does negative go? Same bank? Cause there is only one creator... so, the “virus” is intentionally introduced to the game good versus evil to keep game going?
@@steak8278 no evil, I agree, it’s fear
Having attended your weekend seminar in Germany and your retreat in France I still have many questions. You seem to have an answer to everything but love. This confuses me. I know you talk about compassion but what about the infinite mystery of love? Is there nothing in your calculations or experiences that include something divine or incomprehensible?
Yes, NDErs are emphatic that it's ALL about love, yet Tom rarely, if ever (that I'm aware of) states that.
what about ghosts or people that get stuck? do they just not want to go yet?
He's missing a huge part of all this, the spiritual aspect of it all. It's so much more than what his depiction explains.
exactly , these people give bad trips. He has cold and cruel demeanor .
I really celebrate your content. However, if I said to anybody "Well, Bob taught me" to the question of why I think human consciousness is immortal, I would probably end up in the psychiatic ward here in Southern Germany. And so would any teacher or university professor.
I've discovered over time that our DNA has memory. This could easily be confused with reincarnation. You can experience the memory of relatives too. I had a GGGrandfather that lived in France. For a long time I thought I was remembering one of my other lives. Turned out it was him. Unless I was actually him??? Doubt it. My mother lived and worked in Hollywood in the late 1930s. By the time I arrived in Hollywood in 1977 I started to remember all the streets. It was very emotional and I felt so at home. I was remembering when my mom lived there!!! DNA memory! I wasn't born until 1950s. By then she was in Anaheim. I never knew my mom lived in Hollywood until way later.
There is another explanation, I think DNA acts kind of like a receiver or an anthena for our consciousness, it would stand to reason that if you have strands of dna from your ancestors that you wouls be able to possibly access memories of those that came before by accessing the relevant indormation space.
If we don’t want to incarnate again, is there a place we go and hang out with other souls?
Judgement City - Aww your comment reminded me of a great movie about this. Al Brooks - Defending Your Life
Guys I’m going to tell you straight up, I wouldn’t listen to this guy. Got a bad gut feeling watching this video, pretty good at reading people and he not only lacks love and emotion while solely focusing on an intellectual standpoint, he fails to recognize love is everything and we are each infinitely powerful and sovereign beings. Free will is never taken away from you, you came here to this planet by choice and are only trapped I believe if you think you are. And your loved ones are not program simulations they are always with you and you will see them. Dangerous to be spreading info like this that is fear-based like he is.
i can tell you this by looking at him that, he can talk about love all he wants, but as proven by his behaviour knowing love and talking about love are 2 different things
exactly ..he's too logical and left brained thinking ...uncosncoiusly psyopsing the people who following him
Too short and I feel it has be cut-off at the wrong place - Please put up the full interview
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There could be one worrisome question, that is, what if the LCS is insane…or has gone awry? 🤔
a virus in the system so to speak eh!
Guys…this is long, but I think it’s worthwhile in order to hear your opinions, and I will probably go to Toms website, which I (shamelessly admit I have never been to) can submit this in the ways he has made possible to debate, and hopefully garnish a response from Tom himself. So here goes:
Tom, are you saying that consciousness itself is a living, feeling and knowing intelligence, probably aware of it’s own existence, but yet the background of where everything also happens? I know you said that even the larger consciousness system is living. Of course that would be God to me, and I never believed that God was done nor dead, but even IT is not perfect, and the idea of a “God” is not something I need *anymore* in order to continue learning of this teaching.
I also do not find it weird nor devastating anymore, that when I am gone, that it won’t seem long before my memories of this entire life time have faded, but yet the hard work I put in in this lifetime will go with me, and therefore the quality of consciousness that I have gained through my experiences of while here, will not be gone.
It may not be wrong to say that all of “this world” will be kind of like another subconscious mind that holds it all, and will even direct our path in ways that will be a little easier and lighter next time (but we will have nothing to compare it to, so it will still be easy to consider some of it to be very bad).
Dreams fade very quickly, but when I tell my kids something about when I was in high school or something of my youth, it amazes me that I have to tell them, “But that was 30 years ago!” Yet when my mom or grandmother would tell me things of their past, it used to seem ancient history to me, so I realize that telling them “this or that would never happen when I was growing up and going to high school 30 years ago“ really doesn’t help them so much.
But when you said that consciousness and the fabric of “space“ is actually living itself, that kind of hit me in a powerful way and I want to know if what I just said is what you intended to convey. Many, Many Thanks 🙏
Oh, and talking about seeing a bright light at the end of the tunnel: isn’t it amazing that we come to Earth through a tunnel with a very bright light at the end of it; so bright that we can’t open our avatar’s eyes for three or four days without risking permanent damage to that avatar that we will inhabit while here on Earth?!
Is Tom Campbell a non-player character? I ask this, because he seems to have difficulty with questioning his conclusions.
He says the system in benevolent, and that it wants to lose entropy so it can live according to love, yet the system and its IUOCs have no problem with using all of us partitions, Avatars, Uncle Fred's, as laboratory rats that help it evolve.
When we are here in this World, we partitions tend to value our lives, and out of love, sometimes we value the lives of others. If we understand how wonderful existence can be, we will value our lives to a large extent. If we live according to love, we view the other people we know as precious, and we truly care about their "eternal" welfare.
Yet Tom speaks of IUOC units as heartless, indifferent and callous beings, that have no problem with negating all us uncle Fred's when it is time to extract data from us.
Another possibility: IUOC units, Oversouls, truly do understand about love, and love us dearly and appreciate the sacrifices we make while here in this World and the other places we incarnate into. The consciousness/beingness of a Partition doesn't disappear when it rejoins its Oversoul. Its body-based identity will go away, but its essence won't. Therefore, if a person wants to make contact with someone such as Uncle Fred, one can make contact with a being that is now a part of an Oversoul. Oversouls and parts of an Oversoul are one, just as we are all one and many at the same time.
I have been in contact with my Oversoul many times, and it does not view me as some entity it will destroy someday after it extracts data from my beingness.
@@steak8278 Going by what I have figured out through experiences and other ways, we are extensions of our Oversoul. One time I experienced what it is like to be an Oversoul, and I was aware of numerous incarnations at once.
Say an Oversoul has 3 incarnations going on. They all return to Oversoul at the same moment. Each has developed their own will power, and have gone through many experiences in this world, both pleasant and unpleasant. Does their experience as a unique being, will center, have to be snuffed out so that only their Oversoul's uniqueness continues to exist? I don't believe so. Reality exists so we can be one and many at the same time.
Regarding Oversoul's perspective versus my perspective, unconditional love is unconditional love regardless of who experiences it. Reaching the point where you truly revere, respect, love, value and appreciate the existence of other conscious will centers, can be a common experience regardless of where a partition of consciousness abides.
The portions of Beingness that take part in experiencing Avatars, exist before the projection takes place.
I used to be into guru-based teachings in the 1980s. I pretty much believed according to what they said. I thought, "how could I doubt the words of an enlightened person?" Eventually I learned that these gurus weren't as wise and infallible as they claim. I learned that I need to be willing to question what everybody says. There are a lot of people who have words that I value, but I make a point of remembering that nobody, including myself, gets it right all the time.
I am not an expert when it comes to what Tom Campbell says. A lot of what he says seems correct to me, but there are a few things I don't agree with.
Correct. What Source did in creating our "Oversouls/Spirits/Disks/Monads/Higher selves/Expanded selves" or whatever one wants to call it, is a macrocosm process of what our "Oversouls etc" did in creating us, the partitions/Souls/IUOC's or what not. And like you said, it's similar to how we are both One/interconnected and individual/unique/self aware at the same time.
And yeah, while a Soul/partition/IUOC eventually loses it's body based perceptions and beliefs, the (now purified) essence remains, even if it consciously connects to it's Expanded/original self level, or even to the Source and full Oneness level.
I've received guidance messages about the latter. One time I had a dream where I was standing in a circle with other selves*, all meditating and attuning, while connecting to each other. We were boosting each other's awareness in this connection, and I became aware that I should step into the middle of the circle, and that I was going to open up to Source Consciousness. I did so, and went deep, deep within myself, opened fully up, and what I experienced was hard to describe, but what I can say for sure is that I was still essentially me and had self awareness, but a much more expanded, clear, purified version of me. And those other selves still had their own self awareness and distinct/unique character/essence.
*I've come to perceive these other selves that I observed/felt/experienced were the various graduate IUOC's that come from the same Expanded/original self that made me and them. Kind of the fastest vibratory, most aware members of our collective consciousness.
It's interesting that so many hang on Tom's every word as if it the gospel truth. Seems limiting to me. What if Tom is off on some things? Then people are making his off perceptions as part of their belief systems. When one is connected to a physical human body in this dimension, it is very hard to become completely clear in one's perceptions. This level/collective energy by its very nature, has a distorting effect. This can only be transcended so much.
Even in Yeshua, we see a difference in him pre and post resurrection. In the latter, he was still in the world, but no longer of it at all.
Btw, the energetic resurrection process which converted his body matter into a Light form that can still interact in a material like way with this level, is what created the Shroud of Turin image. This is one of the most scientifically examined, and hotly debated historical artifacts in existence. It is extremely mysterious and unexplained. It's pretty clear it is a snap shot in space/time of that resurrection, energetic process. Hey there "He/She" in the "flesh"...
I'm 24 years old and i've been waiting to come across someone like you for almost half my life here. I've spent thousands of hours on reading, listening and watching, but never found true answers. Considering the accessibility of information nowadays, it's easy to get lurked in to a life-long quest of seeking answers. And we can spend many more lifetimes seeking. However, it seems as if these would be wasted lifetimes, since all answers will be instantly in your mind when you're at the other side. We should set goals in our life that improve quality of life for everyone and everything. Be the teacher that teaches the truth. Be the entrepreneur that develops life changing products. Be the grandfather your grandchildren loves. Make good memories and enjoy them, don't take them for granted. So many different events has lead to that moment, it's a blessing. Life's a blessing, enjoy it, even through the dark days.
@@nikolamuslim4427 yes life is a blessing Nikola, we are lucky! life is a quest of Questions and Answers, no lives are wasted, no questions are wasted, you know already that the answer is actually hidden in the question?
Rather than being a teacher or teaching, just be the truth - and then the rest becomes irrelevant.
You are wise beyond your 24 years.
but don;t forget the Great Way is not difficult for he who has no preferences.
so you forget your family you just left.
shapeshifters appear as family that already passed.
convince you theres something you should go back to accomplish.
and you go back and make more mistakes .
a endless loop producing energy and information for the greater cause which we dont know about.
is this Good or Bad ?
If this lifetime is a dream, and you become lucid in it and you know it's a dream while being in the dream, what is that mean?
a dream within a dream, within a dream, think of it as seeing through multiple windows at once , it is a choice, i have lucid dreamed for years , often will wake up and go back to sleep and re-enter the dream. sometimes a dream will repeat for years , for decades even, how do you know you are not living all your lives at once? Time is really multiple TimePaths happening all at once, that we can pick up or drop depending on the breadth and depth of your awareness?, Time is is continuous, (nonlinear) think of another life as another dream in which you are deeply involved in, and as anther self , maybe a future self or a past self or another concurrent self. also how do you know that you cannot look through someone else's eye's and see into their life? sometimes it is possible to do this consciously. Also seeing through an animals eyes! that will blow you away @!
and you are living all your lives at once ! ( sorry i forgot to mention ) just depends on which window in Time you choose to view through :-)
This reminds me of Rumi.
If you can't remember your past lives how can you learn from them going forward.
@@everready2903 The info for the past is there but it does not burden you if you don't need it.
Imagine walking around with all the past memory from all the past lifes,this will be some crazy shit.