+PIEGUYRULZ YES. Every episode that had a message for the fandom was ignored entirely. For example, Say Uncle was meant to say that you shouldn't hate something you don't understand, and all most of the fans did was complain about uncle grandpa being "transmysogynistic". Almost everything the show tries to teach the fandom is ignored if it's not "progressive" in some sort of way. It's a shame.
+PIEGUYRULZ Sadly, that part seems very common. Apparently, there is a sort of narcissism that's growing with in the fan community, saying "we like this progressive show, so that makes us better than you" I'm afraid that the attitude will poison the community like it did to the feminist community.
+GOVHQ That much is certainly true. Those über-hypersensitive extremists are far too willing to perform… well, extreme acts of violence to make their world a better place. Some day, they all ought to take a slap to the face and realize it’s OUR world too, and that they are being just as psychologically insane as they think we are.
As a plus sized woman myself, I decided to look at the art and see if it was a wrongful portrayal and if I felt attacked in any way shape or form. And guess what, I thought her drawings of Rose were beautiful, Amethyst was adorable and they're not super skinny, just not as plump as the show portrays them as being. The only reason I can think of as to why people would think this is offensive is if they haven't stepped into the sun and talked to someone for half a second in about five years.
+Gamerssmash not sure how we got here, ff 9 is my favorite though, and it is a shame how much people like these harm fandoms...And it makes me sad that anyone could believe that its ok to try and drive someone to suicide, I'm not even the most avid fan, but I really hope that it does not harm the fandom, I am sure most fans, and people in general, would agree that bullying someone to the point of wanting to commit suicide is not ok.
+Gamerssmash Do you mean whether or not the swj's (only *important* things deserve to be in caps) would lose their minds if Square were to leave out that part in the remake? Most likely. But I am curious as to how those scumbags plan on boycotting a large company like Square Enix, and not a defenceless individual for once.
+Joe Quinnell it is directly lets say if you send a person a death threat and that person kills himself because of it if you hadnt sent that letter that person wouldt have died ergo your letter and by extension you killed that person
+the last of the shpee's true however if they simply ignored the letter they wouldn't be dead by suicide therefore my freedom of speech didn't kill them there suicidal thoughts did but that's like my opinion dude
+Dancergirl600 That's the thing with SJWs. They were raised with this arrogance where they feel they can do no wrong, and if things DO go wrong in their life, they're taught to blame someone else for "oppressing" them.
I think you missed the part where some of the creators of Steven universe (including Gravity Falls creator Alex) stepped up and told the fans that this was wrong and the criticism went to far for this person, and then the SJWs ATTACKED AND SENT HATE TO THE CREATORS. This is all on their Twitters
I recently got into an argument with someone on Tumblr over another person complaining about others drawing skinny Roses for support of Zamii, and in response they drew a fat Pearl. The drawing got a lot of praise, and then I pointed out the hypocrisy in skinny Rose = bad and fat Pearl = good. Of course, a shitstorm ensued and I got called fatphobic, even though I myself am fat. Like ugh The Tumblr Steven Universe fandom is horrible.
+DarkVioletCloud The fun thing is they are trying to support people treating fat people the same as skinny people (or at least, that's what they claim), while they are exactly the ones treating it like it's different. And everyone else just doesn't care about if they're fat or skinny, which is exactly what they say they're trying to accomplish while they're the only ones not doing it. This is for everything they say they're supporting by the way. They're the only ones treating females different from males, they're the only ones treating gay people different from straight people, etc. And the sad thing is that there are quite a lot of people doing this, also in the real world outside of cartoon fandoms.
+Sammy Peterson You obviously haven't done your research. How about the guy who while announcing that the Mars Rover had landed or something similar to that was attacked for wearing a "sexist" shirt.
The thing I hate is that they defend themselves by saying they are younger teenagers. Bitch I was that age once and that doesn't mean I couldn't do anything wrong.
+bethany waters On the internet everyone gets treated like an adult. If they don't like that, they should stay off the internet. These teens need to learn what really happens when you treat someone like dirt, and I'm talking about their own internal guilt.
+PIEGUYRULZ couldn't say it better myself. Apparently they are also calling one of the crewniverse a pedophile just because he liked a piece of art of this anime girl called Shimekaze. Like it angers me so much and I hate how the assholes in the fandom just make everyone look bad. I'm legit scared to show my Steven universe ocs because they use he/him pronouns. It's awful and I'm rambling XD
+PIEGUYRULZ Reddit? Really? I haven't heard much of anything good about that place, actually. granted, I don't use it myself, so I don't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to that place, but most people I've heard use it generally don't like it or the community surrounding it. it's also apparently super unreliable...
This is just depressing. I knew that SJWs were that bad, but encouraging someone to kill themselves over fan-art is just drawing the line here. I hope that girl is doing well.
Driving someone to suicide over art counts as social justice? Farwell Earth, I'm going back to the Nightmare Realm. At least things make sense there...
Bill Zypher It's the Mandela paradox, people remember these characters as the Bearen*stein* bears because stein is the more common suffix but it is actually spelled Bearen*stain* and it this phenomenon took the world by storm
It really sucks that such hatred can brew in fandoms on the internet. There's a difference between criticism and being an outright jerk to someone because of their art. I do believe there are some good people on Tumblr who want equality and stuff, but the SJWs like these are too extreme. Thanks for speaking so passionately about this topic.
+Rave Raptor Yeah, they're not doing this to better society, their just doing this just to satisfy their own agenda! Quagmire said it best from his Reason you suck speech towards Brian: "If you wanna help out, Grab a ladle!"
the thing about Zamii's artstyle is that she draws EVERY character for the most part skinny. it's just her artistic choice that fit with her angular style to make characters exaggerated levels of skinny. what those people did to her was terrible... and I hope she doesn't stop drawing because of it..... her work was freakin good...
This is so sad, on so many levels. The main theme of the show, is LOVE. I'm not even a big fan of the show, and I know that. And now seeing stuff like this, I can't imagine how the people deeply involved with the show are feeling. On behalf of the SJW's, I apologize to not only Zamii herself, but also to the entire, sane, rational portion off the SU Fandom, that is now going to deal with this event being stuck in everyone's heads. Wow, this is so depressing. I need a Milky Way Bar.
+Dancergirl600 Tumblr is absolutely awful. I've been on it for a while and everything IS SJW posts. Constantly appearing and constantly shoved in front of unwilling hosts.
"criticism" though.. 40 blogs entirely dedicated to stalking and harassing a kid arent criticism. thats sociopathy. apparently one of those people got arrested already - im glad about that. the scariest thing is that these bullies think they are the victims now, because people are beginning to see them for the vile creatures they are... (especially the SU team , i was glad they said something about the situation) i really hope zamii recovers quickly and that she and her family can get over this at some point.
SUICIDE??!!! REALLY??!!! WHAT DO THIS PEOPLE THINK??!!! DO THEY THINK THAT SUICIDE IS SOME KIND OF "PLAY"???!!! (sorry if my english is bad, I'm brazillian...)
+xander sheriff No, if someone drew Pearl fat they would probably be praised for it. Only if someone slims a character down it becomes body shaming, not the other way around. Welcome to double standards.
XxDERPxX RUclips there are some drawings of the Powerpuff Girls as all fat and slobbish which they’re gross. But I guess that’s fat shaming... also I came across a drawing of Buttercup on a stripper pole. They didn’t even age her up so she would be old enough for that they kept her as a 5 year old girl.
You see, it's people like this that give fanbases in general a bad name and reputation. Despite being in a vocal minority, they sadly leave a larger impression.
You're not overreacting. A huge chunk of videos I watched referring to fandom so have heard about SU. My only problem with them is that the only reason they care about this is because it is recent. Hell, this shit happens in the Brony fandom all the time!
+Isaac Argesmith If you notice some parts of the animation, the animators do huge tributes to Ghibli's works through facial features and certain animation movements.
+Joseph Donnelly wrong they're more the minority, they're more on tumblr there are fans outside of tumblr who're very tame. most fandoms have the rabis fans as a minority, but they're usually the most outspoken though
+Joseph Donnelly Most of the fandom is alright, they just avoid being vocal in the fandom. I left tumblr because I couldn't feel safe talking about my favourite shows anymore, in fear of being bullied or doxxed by over sensitive people who search for a reason to hurt people.
+Ambipie The SU fandom on Tumblr is a cesspoll of SJWs. I use Tumblr, I've butted heads with people like this before. I'm big into the anime Attack on Titan and have been bullied for being "tranphobic" because I consider a character with an open-to-interpretation (as stated by the creator) character female. I'm active and the SU fandom on Tumblr as well, that things like this is not uncommon at all. The fandom is awful and hateful, at least on Tumblr, and this is not an isolated incident by any means. It IS the SJWs, but 99% of the fandom are SJWs.
Something else worrying is that when somebody politely brings up that something is legitimately sexist/racist etc, a lot of people will jump on them and accuse them of being an SJW instead of having a reasonable debate.
Yeah, and that really bites. Its like these 'boy who cried sexism' cases make people not actually believe it when there really is a problem. That's what's so sick about this situation, SJWs have the exact opposite effect of what they claim they stand for. Meanwhile you have closed minded people who can't understand that just because most cases of sexism/racism/whateverism are just blown out of proportion, doesn't mean there aren't legitimate things worth standing against.
Dr. Dhoom I never said they were false. Whether something is offensive or not isn't something that can be proven true or false. In my opinion most of the cases of 'racism or sexism' on the internet that people make a big deal about are either really benign or non existent.
That's because of the old saying, a few bad apples spoil the bunch. Plus we're told SO MUCH about non racist and sexist things being twisted to sound racist and sexist by the over the top SJWs. If these assholes weren't so fucked up and didn't almost drive someone into suicide for their fanart, then they're going to stick out and be remembered over the SJWs who do have a good point. The over the top SJWs and feminists don't understand that they're damaging their cause in the eyes of the public, and its THEIR fault that their points aren't taken seriously at all. They want attention and conflict in their lives and this is their way, because they can hid safely behind their keyboards. It's fucking sad.
+Lady Brightcynder Im legitimately depressed, I've seen evil, but this? I feel disgusted that I'm in a society filled with people like this. She was in a hospital literally loosing sanity. Is it really that bad to think differently? No, I know.
Bullying on the internet... has gotten so far out of hand. The fact that people literally want others to die for differing opinions, or for not liking a piece of art is beyond messed up. Critiquing is fine, for any reason, but death threats are just way too far over the line, and it makes me sick that things like this have only seemingly been increasing in occurrence.
+Viper thats how everythings fanbase is. I personally find it disgusting im not even much of an SU fan but the fanbase is.....wierd......to say the least. almost as wierd as fnafs fanbase
It's not just for popular TV shows that have fans like that, but all kinds of popular media (via Video Games and Movies) have fans like that and any fanartist that get a lot of hate just because they drew a piece of artwork that others don't like, shouldn't be shamed or put down for it.
The worst thing about this is that this artist was picked on for _expressing herself and her enjoyment of the show._ The people who attacked her did this with self-righteous judgement that they felt was justice. Where could justice be found in a world you can't open up to, because if you try, you end up doing it in the wrong way? _Where's the justice in tearing someone down for trying to be themselves?_ For a show so filled with compassion, love, and understanding as Stephen Universe itself! Couldn't agree with you more on this PieGuy, it is too far. It's disappointing and depressing how people could be so cruel. A couple of weeks ago I was already ticked off about this fandom for a similar issue. I can't even accept this new low from these 'fans.' I'm really just reposting what I wrote then, because at this point it's intolerable: How could a place like Tumblr, where people try to be all inclusive and supportive toward each other, be a place where the it's _the total opposite of that_? Why are people so superficial over things about each other like this? We already have a lot in life that's against us, we shouldn't be another example of that. People who are fans of a show this filled with heart, somehow treats each other with hostility, because other fans aren't loving their favorite show right. They couldn't embody the show any less as they could now. Not even any less than what they think these 'wrong' fans would!
Its sad that some people don't realize it's actually rather difficult to learn how to draw larger people/characters ad make them look not insulting. I'm serious; all my life drawing books have no big models in them! Even our life studies models were all either average or skinny, none really heavy set. So it's hard to draw something when you don't get the option to study it. Yes, there's google image searches, but that was something frowned upon in my life study class because it wasn't from one of the recommended books from the class list. I look back at m old work and almost every since person is stick thin because of how drawing books and classes taught how to break down the human body with shapes. It took me about 2 years once I was out to actually get the hang of drawing larger characters.
No problem. Thought it should be something pointed out. And to those who don't understand what I mean; it's something to look into. The basic shapes they always tell you to draw either a rectangle (no curves) or a bean shape (giving an hour glass figure with an indented waist); they rarely have you use circles for the torso. So I can't blame people who used books to learn how to draw figures or even taken a formal figure drawing class because they tell you the same thing.
Absolutely amazing video. It bugs me that I try so hard to be the best and most empathetic person I can be to do the right thing (almost to a point where I drive myself crazy and over-criticize myself) while there are people like that who are complete bullies, hypocrites, and will not even look in the mirror once. They don't even care about morals, don't take pride in themselves and their actions (which allows them to bully others), and don't want to help people at all. I'm by NO means trying to say that I am some saint, but I am putting in the effort every day to be the best person I can be. At this point, the most important thing to do is to keep trying to be the best people we can be, even to them. It takes a lot of heart to make a video like this, and you really hit the nail on the head in a well-spoken manner. You've always been my favorite RUclipsr, but my respect for you went up even more after this video. This situation and those people are driving me bonkers as well (I don't even watch Stephen Universe), but just look at that like/dislike ratio. Even though it really doesn't seem like it at times, more people ARE sensible and moral and these loony tunes are in the minority. They are just a very vocal minority and are the ones that love to harm others. They'll learn one day, though. One day they'll see the light. Thanks PieGuy for this great video. You're without a doubt the best reviewer and speaker I've seen on this website, and even though this seems a little silly, you are a huge inspiration to me when I review. Keep on rolling, man. You're a great reviewer and guy. P.S. I'm still hyped for season 7! Take your time, though. I know how long making a quality review can take.
Never have I felt such an impulsive emotion of empathy, and will to try to assist a complete stranger. I hope with the support of now what I'm assuming of thousands of faceless encouragers, this woman will make a full emotional recovery, and feel better than ever. Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention, Pieguy. You're pretty cool, Pieguy.
The worst part is: She's apologised. She's acknowledged that she's made mistakes. I'm personally not a big fan of people drawing Rose as skinny, but if you don't like the art, you don't have to look at it??? Tumblr has a blocking feature and there's a blacklisting option through XKit (which is free and p much everyone has it). Like, you don't have to bully her at all? And even after she's apologised, what does continuing to be an asshole to her gain? There was also some scandal where she did a commission for a guy who turned out to be a sex offender and that somehow makes her supportive of paedophilia? Like, she didn't even know??? I mean, I don't get involved in tumblr drama (it's a toxic wasteland of needless accusations and callout posts and texts from years ago. It's all very biased and a bit of a mess), but that's what I've been able to glean. And by their logic, somehow being nice to a paedophile makes you some sort of supporter of sexual abuse? I rlly don't get this community..
+Tori Bastia I beg to differ with the, "If you don't like the art, you don't have to look at it." Saying, "I dislike how you are portraying Rose as so skinny, it's inaccurate to the show" is constructive criticism. I don't agree nor disagree with the criticism. However, someone is stating what they perceive to be a problem, and saying how to improve it. And the author has every right to disagree with this criticism. Criticism is needed for artists to improve. The thing is though, everyone went off the deep end and fucking exploded over the smallest goddamn thing. If someone is screaming at someone else over "fat shaming" a cartoon character then something is wrong with them. They need a reality check. Someone drew a character to be skinny, it perplexes me that people take so much time and energy to get offended by this and harass someone over it. Don't people have better things to worry about?
+Da Police I certainly see your point, and those ppl were welcome to give their criticism. But honestly, when it angers you that much, you have options. You don't have to sit and boil and become bitter is more what I meant. Leave your criticism (in a way that isn't aggressive) and get on w/ your life. I absolutely agree with that entire second paragraph, though. There's this whole community of tumblrites that 're just hate-filled and will get angry at anything. I personally think they're a bunch of 12-year-olds who see the progressive ideology, but only think in terms of black and white, as kids their age are wont to do. I dislike it, so it's morally bad. I like it, so it's morally good. The person behind this thing must be bad b/c I take moral offense to it. They're stubborn and act like children b/c, for the most part, they are children (or at least think like them) and it just... rlly bothers me that a show about love somehow attracts these hateful ppl.
+Tori Bastia I am not defending the tumblrinas by any means. What they did was horrible, and has no excuses. Sorry if my first paragraph gave off the connotation that I was defending them. I was basically saying that any problems someone has with art should be stated, but in a mature manner.
+Da Police I didn't perceive it that way at all. I just wanted to clarify what I meant. (And also vent a bit about the goings-on in this community b/c holy shit, the things I have seen). I love this garbage site, but my /god/ it's this one specific community of these belligerent individuals. And this type of thing happens all the time, usually on a lesser scale (it's usually just personal drama made public). I guess that's what I'm annoyed about the most. There're all these callout posts and full blogs dedicated to bullying certain users for a whole host of reasons. Sometimes they're pretty major (abusive relationships and such), other times they're minor (hating on John Green b/c you don't enjoy the way he writes women), but it's always nasty and it always feels a bit like overkill. And I never feel like it's trying to gain anything. There's no endgame, just nastiness.
+Tori Bastia Yeah, I agree. It's like you have every right to look at art and give your interpretation and stuff, but once you've said it... move on if you hate it so much. It's important to realize that not all art will be for every person, and if you don't like skinny Rose.... just say that and be done with it. The problem is, these people find it moarally wrong and think they need to go on a righteous crusade to stop it.
Well this was a rather depressing video, all I can say is that we should spread awareness to others about internet garbage and extremists like these people,trolls, cyberbullies, raging fanboys, shippers and so on and how we should block,ignore them and generally take everything they say with a grain of salt, because these people are nothing but unworthy lowlife.
The worst thing is that these people extrapolate for reasons to get angry, I mean they called her a pedophile for accidentally calling a convicted felon (arrested for children pornography possession) a friend instead of follower. Same with Zamii being "transmisogynistic" for useing the word guy and dude on women. Every word you say is scrutinized by these people to tell lies about your character. I also think they ended up calling Rebecca Sugar and Ian Jones Quartey pedophiles. Still when the Tumblr/SJW crowd goes with any argument related to children and protecting the children, they are just the left wing version of Helen Lovejoy. I do hope the general disgust from the online community to this leaves potential future victims with a healthier network and support for their art.
Pieguy... You HAD to make this video and i'm glad you did... seriously this is long overdo (and sadly not the end of it) This type of stuff applies to all fandoms and not just cartoon fandoms. I'm glad you did this because you handle this stuff more maturely than anyone else i've seen (so far).
How do you think the characters in Steven Universe would react to this insane harassment? Garnet: This is unacceptable. I'm very disappointed in you. Pearl: What is the meaning of this?! Amethyst: Ugh, you're no fun anymore! Steven: This can't be happening! This has to be a dream!
I felt the emotion in your voice and in this video, Pieguy. I'm not in the SU fandom but my best wishes go out to this poor girl. And her art is very innocent and pretty. :/
Poor zamii. At least she's ok now! Also, my defence for zamii: 1) Many other artists have drawn Rose skinny. 2) Drawing a fat character is hard for some people that are used to drawing skinny and curvy characters, so you can't really blame her for Rose looking skinny. 3) Many other SU fans have drawn the characters in the art styles of Japanese animation/anime. 4) SHE DID NOTHING WRONG!
This is my first video I'm seeing from you, and let me say, you are very amazing when it comes to trying to get your point across people. All of that just earned yourself a like and a subscriber! Also, may I remind you that the fanbase who attacked the girl and almost drives her to suicide, they for some reason had the nerve to even attack the actual creators of Steven Universe themselves all because the creators came to that girl's comfort and tell the fanbase to stop.
Yeah I heard this already and at the time I was pissed off, insulted, and disgusted how I found this in my subscriptions especially in the SU fandom. Granted the sensible and reasonable fans of any fandom especially this one don't stoop this low and would never support this and aren't at fault and I am apart of this fandom as well as others fandoms but I am so sick of finding this type shit and for what reason? Because it was "offensive" and they have to hate on that person, really. This shit has gone too far and too long and it is this minority group of SJWs and toxic people that make this worse and make the fandom look bad. I'll never accept this shit and I hope the person will be okay because she doesn't deserve any of this and she shouldn't have to deal with any of the bullshit. I don't fucking care if Rose is drawn skinny or fat but to get so "offended" to hate and send death threats is where I want to scream how wrong and disgusting and vile they really are for this.
Also there is nothing wrong with any of her art and she hasn't intentionally insulted or offended anyone and I love her artwork and it is sad that this shit reached to someone innocent and just trying to share her artwork. And for people to call themselves "fans" o this show and result to doing this is insulting and they should have no part of the show or the fandom if the message is love and care IN THE SHOW.
+Stan ™ thanks and I can't believe I found this news twice in my subscriptions and I was so infuriated of this type of shit happening fandoms. I have seen and been in so many of these type of situations that make me question how these people are "fans" of the show if they do the exact opposite or worse of what the show is trying to tell and teach them. It is like they lost their reasons of why they love the show in the first place from worshipping and think they need to "defend" the show but instead we get SJWs and toxic people because of this.
These made me sad, like REALLY sad. SU is a great show, and not to mention progressive. But the fandom is full of immature people. But that's only the tip of the iceberg, the SJW are even worse. You'd think that as time went on, people would progress. Progress as in mature and learn to not he offended so easily. It also makes me upset to see all of the hate Zamii gets, espicially because her art is pretty good. Hopefuly this will stop soon, but probably won't.
People in general are too far controlled by their emotions; negative most notably. It is why the internet and much of society can be unpleasant. No one finds a true sense of morality and understanding, which leads to immoral actions and hostility. That's why i love people so much, they are always subject to change; for the better preferably, or worse.
I'm so glad you made this video. I was absolutely horrified when I saw this had happened. As someone who is larger, I was more offended by how these fans completely missed Steven Universe's messages about loving, forgiveness, tolerance than someone draw rose "the wrong way" or whatever.
Please let's not kid ourselves and use this as an excuse to say "look at them! look at them and how nasty and bad they are for doing this awful thing, we really need to get rid of these people," Because doing that is exactly why this happened in the first place. Drawing fatter characters as rails or conventionally hourglass was used to taunt the people who thought it was so great that a larger character was portrayed as awesome. And they were NASTY about it. They'd follow folks and taunt them for being overweight "how dare you start to think you can be accepted". So a bunch of dumb teenagers looked at these fatshameing folks and said "look at them! look at them and how nasty and bad they are for doing this awful thing, we really need to get rid of these people" And they figured anyone who drew the character not large enough must be one of those awful awful fatshamers and it's "absolutely okay to do to them what they did to others". Now you might think you and anything you're associated with would never do that, but take a good look at the comments and you probably won't go five seconds without reading about how we need to get rid of "SU fans" or "tumblr" or "Fat-positive" or "for some reason feminists are mentioned because they always are". We humans are hate addicts. We want to fight even if it's not even remotely required. We want an enemy to fight and destroy so we feel less awful about how imperfect we are. We want to point at something bad someone else did and say "look at that horrible person! Lets get rid of him any anything that resembles him and help the world be better" rather than look at our own faults and try to fix them.
I think the difference is that I'm not trying to make a call to arms and say "let's go get these people". I totally understand the flip side of this and actively disagree with the people in the comments saying we need to "do something" about these people. I know that there really isn't much we can do unless we want to stoop to their level which would be very hypocritical and wrong. The only thing that can be done is to collectively point out how idiotic and wrong the situation is and promote being constructive in a positive way. I don't think I said anything about hating all of tumblr or feminists or the SU fandom. There will always be jerks in every group. However certain groups are more prone to being an echo chamber than others.
+Betsy Lee (warlordofnoodles) Oh haha then yeah, I agree. I'm sure a lot of people are just angry and venting, but yeah trying to hunt these people down isn't the right answer.
+PIEGUYRULZ I got one word that we can put into effect that may help us teach them the error of their ways without becoming like them: logic. We use logic and figures to teach them and we can show them what it's like to enjoy fanart.
Art is meant to be stylized your way. By pen, or pencil, or paint, or watercolor, or ect. In your way. That's what makes an artist an artist for what style they have. Art shouldn't have strict rules to follow like a book. I mean Spongebob displays this very well.
I think you made a great point and it shows to me even more why you're my favorite critic. I saw a video AlphaOmegaSin made about this same incident the other night and yeah it is very messed up for anyone to push someone to the point of not wanting to live anymore. People have done that to me in school and it is the worst feeling in the world. I love Steven Universe, I do. But I would never do something so evil like that to anybody, whether I liked their art or not.
I love this video more than anything thanks for sharing almost cried halfway through, then I went to check her tumblr and that didnt make me feel much better its just she doesnt deserve any of this, and she doesnt have a reason to say sorry I'm glad shes doing ok
Yeah I hate this whole accusatory BS attitude that's been permeating for several years. It's like if you have a dissenting opinion from someone you're automatically anti-this or that even if you have good intentions. People nowadays like to squash things that they don't understand/are different to them and this makes me sad. People have the right to interpret things how they please.
+youroneandonlyneighborhoodboi Yeah, it's upsetting to think that people genuinely don't give a damn about your motives and cut straight to the blind critical hate that they think you deserve. This artist just wanted to interpret Rose the way she/he wanted to. The artist didn't necessarily mean anything serious by her/his interpretation and gave no real reason for it. Yet people, despite not knowing any intention or background information, decide to fire shots at anyone and anything that's even remotely offensive or belittling to any sort of minority. I dealt with this type of shit in elementary school. People hated me for some of the things I did without even wondering why I did them (they were 8 year-olds, so it makes sense). I would always attempt to explain in a mature manner and tone of voice WHY I was who I was, but to no success. They believed that I should just be like them and that they could just change me. Being cut off so much ended up giving me some serious anger-issues which have only subsided in recent years. So what I'm saying is, a large majority of the people on the internet can be compared to bratty 8-year-olds who believe that they're doing the right thing by putting people down at every turn without even bothering to care about their motives. Any actual reason is quickly rebutted by denial from the attacking side, thus leading to an endless, pointless, chain of comments that takes up space when you click "See all comments." Criticism and opinions are just fine though, don't get me wrong, but when you start turning it into a seriously violent extremist opinion where you believe that what you hate shouldn't exist....... it gets sort of messy and a lot less constructive than some other criticism.
I had to label my blog (when I had it) as anti-sjw to keep them from following me. Actually, the anti-sjws who followed me were much more open-minded than the sjws I saw on Tumblr everyday. It's crazy. Tumblr NEEDS to be fixed. I think of it were shut down, these people would eventually snap out of the mob mentality.
Personally I think the majority of the more extreme SJWs are just young and misguided and are going about everything wrong. There are legitimately some who have mental issues though. Like I can't blame them for recognizing that there are social issues in the world, it's how they go about at it that's weird. Instead of attacking everyone and having a judgementary bias they should be more open minded and considerate of other people and their beliefs.
Honestly guys, I'd reblog some of her art and send her heaps of praise, maybe make her feel a bit better when she sees it, let the people on your tumblr know how great of an artist she is and let it spread, she really needs this positive encouragement.
this is honestly really sad. I can't believe that people go as far to get them to commit suicide, it's sick. To quote Mr.Enter "good people can make bad art, and bad people can make good art" what they create doesn't mean that they are "racist, sexist, offensive" ect.
The ONLY thing I agreed with in the tumblr fandom was the want to keep NSFW work in the NSFW tag. Tumblr isn't meant for children, but there are children on it, and it's better to not expose them to porn. Everything else was dumb though, like people called me transphobic for not believing the trans Lars headcanon (which had little to no backup), I was called racist for informing someone that Garnet wasn't human and therefore couldn't be black (black coded, but not actually black), called homophobic because I didn't take issue with the pewey ship, told I was a horrible person because I related to "abusive" Pearl, called fat phobic because I didn't mind skinny rose art, called ableist when I said I thought a character might not be autistic, and basically eaten alive when I said it took me a while to realize that Garnet was more than a friendship (I'm pretty bad at recognizing different relationship levels, not my fault.). Anyway, that was just what the fandom did to me, let alone others.
wherever Zambii is I hope she's doing alright. No one deserves to be bullied the way she was, and to anyone else reading this, don't let ANYONE stop you from making art or expressing yourself. There will always be haters out there but you don't have to stop because of what they think.
I love this show, however it upsets me that people are being so negative about a positive show. The more perfect a show can pull something off, the more people expect everything about it to be perfect, the better something is the worse people are about a subtle difference. Perfection causes perfectionists, this show is very good with it's accuracy and continuity and when something challenges that there will always be someone to ruin it. So if you are someone that makes art and are slandered over your work, don't stop. Even if no one likes your work, you do, that's all that matters. I draw but I don't care about negative criticism because people are still looking at my work, weather or not they like it, they analysed it and thought about it... good enough for me. Sorry for the long comment but some people don't think about what they are doing until it is to late and cover up the incident like it never happened with an ego.
This whole politically correct society does more harm than good in my opinion. People just end up taking things too far about things that do not really matter when they should just step back and chill out. I guess that is why I love this season of South Park so much.
Saying that you're a "Social Justice Warrior" is probably the most hypocritical things I have ever seen on the internet. Getting "offended" for others is awful, and I couldn't feel more sorry for everyone getting the raw end for this. Paige (I believe that's her name) especially so. People are already creating this toxic cloud for the SU fans and the people who genuinely had no idea about this, and those who didn't care, are all getting treated like dirt because of this unpleasant situation. All because a _fictional character_ was drawn by a _fan of the show_. But you know, it was all politically correct of them to call her out on it. -_- (Also, sorry for the kind of ranty, rambly, nonsensical comment, but this whole situation has me so upset... But that's the internet for you)
Ryan Calder "But you know, it was all politically correct of them to call her out for it. -_-" "Politically correct" Since when is bullying someone to the point of suicide and saying that she is racist/sexist just because she made fan art "Politically correct". She had no intentions of hurting anyone, she was just making fan art! If you really feel bad for her, then why do you think calling her out is "Politically correct"?
Wow, this is horrible! This has probably affected the cartoon community for a while. I don't know for how long, though. Being bullied to suicide needs to be taken seriously. There's nothing wrong with drawing a character differently. When I draw cartoon characters, I'm often off-model and/or using an outdated style (on purpose). Her drawings are actually beautiful. zamii070 does not deserve the criticism she got. It's fine if someone dislikes it, but no one deserves to be bullied to suicide!
The people who spent all this time critisizing a girls drawing need to get a life. There are plenty of drawings on pinterest and tumblr that you're not gonna like, how long are you going to be petty and mean about it. Why would you go out of your way to condemn them?
Never said this last night cause i was pissed, but very well said PieGuy. You managed to say everything you wanted to say without losing your cool where I would have gone crazy. You are so much more than just a cartoon critic man and i commend you.
I love this. I tend to be overly PC, but I can't even comprehend shit like this. Yeah, it kinda sucks that people draw canonly larger characters to fit the societal idea of "pretty," but how can these people go from "I'm slightly upset by this portrayal made by a total stranger" into "LET'S MAKE THEM KILL THEMSELVES!"??? Even if you disagree, always try to do so in a respectful way. You don't know the story or intentions behind everything someone says, makes, or does. Even if they are INTENTIONALLY being mean, even if it's insanely-over-the-top hateful, YOU need to be the bigger person if you actually want to make any change. No one likes being yelled at, and if these SJWs actually cared about the causes they fight for, they would be willing to have a calm debate. The only reason they lash out like this is a mixture of mob mentality and the desire to feel better about themselves ["You did THIS thing, but I will HEROICALLY tell you how awful you are for it!"]
No matter whether the good lessons and good morals come from a writer, a poet, a movie, a cartoon, or Jesus himself, there will always be people who forego the most important teachings, the most humbling of words, and the most tolerant of practices, in favor of picking out something which was said or expressed that they can use to bully other people with. It's almost a primal need in certain minds that makes them crave to want to yell, and scream, insult, and berate others for often very minuscule reasons, just to feel some amount of satisfaction: as if they are doing the world a righteous service. This is a despicable mind-set. It never makes things better. It almost never leads to real change, and good thing too. And it does great harm not just to the victims, but the bystanders who find themselves equally associated with the people causing the most ruckus within their ranks. I by no means blame the Steven Universe fan-base for the actions of these outliers, as I am a fan myself. And every fan-base that rallies around a show or title like this, perhaps even the recent Undertale game, are going to have their radicals who wish to do more harm than good. The best thing to do is to stay strong, to ignore the trolls and harmful comments as much as possible, rely on your friends and family for support, and work through the tough times. Because eventually, everyone finds something else to complain about.
+Monty2289 Not that I'm asking you to promote something but we need people like you just being themselves and showing that Millennial progressives are what's hurting us. These people who believe that their taking offense comes first and that feeling is worth hurting another person. The more people we have to look at situations like this and go: "That's wrong" the better
It was super shitty what happened to this poor girl, like personally i'm really not a fan of people drawing Rose thin but that's my goshdang opinion and like hell if I'm gonna call out someone for having a differing idea of her
Hey PieGuy, this has nothing to do with the video, but i had a question for you, do you enjoy making RUclips videos? i know hes probaboy not gonna answer but whatever.
+Chris Ale 1- They've accomplished the following: Being jerks to the point of the victim of abuse wanting to kill herself, hating a piece of art because a character is skinny in the work. 2- Their method is to insult and harass people to the point of contemplating suicide, just like the example below. 3- Their end goal is for everybody on earth to stop making anything creative, different, interesting, cool, helpful, relaxing, or anything at all basically. Example- SJW: You made a bench? That bench is short. Almost like you built that bench to insult people under 8 feet tall. (bunch of swears that I really don't have time to type and would take up at least 1000 characters) You should rot in hell, kid. You have no purpose in life and you need to stop existing. If you have time to make a bench you also have time to make a noose to hang yourself, you bloody prick. Stay away from society. Nobody will ever like you. Anyone who is currently your friend will want you dead within 3 weeks. Satan doesn't even like you. Your parents never loved you. Al Qaeda and Isis don't want you because you'd make them look bad. Really, get a grip. Quit making benches. I don't care if that wasn't your intention, you made a bench that insults people under 8 feet tall and you need to stop. Everybody who will sit on your skillfully crafted bench will be cursed and die within 1 week of sitting there. If they want to stop and take a rest because they have been jogging or something, they will surely die very soon. Anybody who might be interested in buying your bench will be in the intermediate zone of a nuclear attack, where they will slowly rot away from radiation poisoning, making them suffer for weeks. You are the worst freakin person ever because you made a bench that probably won't insult anyone, but I really don't want to take risks. Really, go jump off a bridge if the bridge is above an active volcano filled with lava and fire and burning rocks and stuff. I hate SJWs.
nothing. so much for social justice. my people are still being deported, mistreated, killed, and our country is in ruins. ahhhh but a hand from super Mario maker is way more important than all of that.
Things like this are really sad... I mean, do they have nothing better to do than harass somebody for drawing a fictional character in their own art style? She had no intent for harm so they shouldn't of thrown hate at her. If they really felt strongly about what she drew, then they could of told her how they feel in a non-hostile way. I have seen too many situations like this and it it's horrible that this stuff happens.
Cartoon characters drawn with an anime style are extremely common but not the other way around. I keep searching for fanarts of anime characters drawn with a distinct American cartoon style I can only find very few examples. I wonder why
Pieguy tweeted this, and I think it's a very poignant point that needs to be understood: "What makes SJW harassers so much scarier than trolls is that they think they're righteous. Trolls just want a lol, hate mobs want you gone." As much as I wish this was the case, prejudiced people aren't stupid. They look for reasons to justify their prejudice to society. This is why we have people like SJWs and militant atheists-they claim to be the ones fighting against bigotry, when nothing could be further from the truth. They get a lot of people to buy into their logic. The cycle of hating is a vicious, never-ending one. On another note, replace "hate mobs" with "cyberbullies", and you have the perfect rebuttal to Enter's shitty Troll video.
I think you did the right thing posting this. (Don't let the haters get you down if they happen to get after you for it, since you are just expressing an opinion, and you DID warn people.) While I think there are problems in commercial media with body issues and how magazines, television, and movies portray women and men utilizing digital manipulation (especially how there are unrealistic expectations with how someone should be proportioned by a lot of commercial companies which sell clothes or put out other media), I also agree that a fanart made by someone on deviantart, if it isn't depicting something horrendously disturbing, pornographic, or illegal, is essentially harmless. It's just a fan who's just expressing their love for a television show. She's also not forcing anyone to look at these depictions you describe. These people who are harassing her, if they really wanted to make a difference about how media portrays unrealistic body aesthetics,, they should take their grievances to those magazines or media companies that allow starving models on their covers, and stop picking on some person online they don't know. By choosing to pick on someone online and harass them, they're actually making people view their cause and points of view in a negative and unsympathetic fashion, especially since they're doing it in a disrespectful manner. These individuals are trolls. And based on what you're saying, there is no excuse for their harassment, and if they're so offended by some pictures, they're not obligated to continue looking or comment on someone's fan work, since they aren't paying for it. They can simply go to a search bar and find something else to look at if they want to see something in particular, and voice their opinions by not patronizing that person's web page or whatever if they disagree with them. In speaking out, I thank you for saying what people are sick of seeing from these trolls. Continue making vids expressing your opinions, especially on today's kid shows, because you have some great insight.
This is one of the reasons I deleted my tumblr. People are so quick to bully people over such silly things. I had someone tell me to kill myself because I corrected someone who was trans. Like, being a minority doesn't mean you're always right, or that people pointing out your mistakes are racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic/ableist. The call-out culture on Tumblr has changed from calling out complete bigots to calling out everyone who disagrees with you or makes a mistake, and it's really hurtful to everyone on both sides of it. I was always the one to state my opinion if it had logic in it, so I got attacked a lot. I think anyone with any kind of open-mindedness should stay off of tumblr.
It disgusts me that people get so low as to try and get someone to commit suicide. Really? Just because you don't approve of someone's fanart? Thank you for making this video. It makes me happy that there's people on the internet that are sincere and actually have some sanity.
This has been done all over the Internet. I follow this girl on Wattpad called @twilighttilldawn. She posted a book about why Twilight was better than Harry Potter. Sure, her facts weren't accurate, but people were continuously hating on her. I felt so bad for her. She went into depression and handed her account over to her friends, who didn't handle it well. Thankfully she is getting better and has since taken her account back from her friends. I hope for the world and the Internet that people look at this and think about it the next time they decide to hate on a person for a stupid or no reason. I rest my case.
+Icy Flamedragon That's basically what he does in Infinity War. After achieving ultimate power he snaps his fingers; destroying half the life in the universe.
+Icy Flamedragon That's basically what he does in Infinity War. After achieving ultimate power he snaps his fingers; destroying half the life in the universe.
Sometimes I look at the human race - and I just get really saaaad, and I think it will never get better, but then I remember we have good people, like Pieguy. I never thought a video would make me happy and sad at the same time. Okay, I'm going on a tangent, I'll shut up now ;-;
"Rose Quartz saw the beauty in everything", her fans however, not so much...
+Octapud74 It's almost as if some people watch the show because of how "progressive" it is and don't actually pay attention...
+PIEGUYRULZ YES. Every episode that had a message for the fandom was ignored entirely. For example, Say Uncle was meant to say that you shouldn't hate something you don't understand, and all most of the fans did was complain about uncle grandpa being "transmysogynistic". Almost everything the show tries to teach the fandom is ignored if it's not "progressive" in some sort of way. It's a shame.
She's not real
+PIEGUYRULZ Sadly, that part seems very common.
Apparently, there is a sort of narcissism that's growing with in the fan community, saying "we like this progressive show, so that makes us better than you"
I'm afraid that the attitude will poison the community like it did to the feminist community.
+PIEGUYRULZ That is my thoughts too at times, when there is a lot more to the show than being "progressive".
Sjws called her racist because she drew a native american Fluttershy as a native myself I find nothing wrong with it at all.
Ben Paul I'm Native American too and I don't see a problem with either.
And plus the art about Native American can be so much beautiful.
How tf would that be racist?
Like I said in my own comment, headcannons are only headcannons. You like them or don't and people should move on
Is the character at least Native American in the show? Or at least referenced being Native American.
Solving bullying by bullying is like trying to stop wars by starting a war
itsPatrickBoi we should totally do that said no person none sarcastically
You cant do anything on the internet anymore without someone being offended.
+GOVHQ That much is certainly true. Those über-hypersensitive extremists are far too willing to perform… well, extreme acts of violence to make their world a better place. Some day, they all ought to take a slap to the face and realize it’s OUR world too, and that they are being just as psychologically insane as they think we are.
+GOVHQ This offends me.
+SuperMarioGamerBros haha
true
+GOVHQ I'm scared to death now that these people will find my Tumblr blogs. O.o If they do, I'm the heck outta there.
As a plus sized woman myself, I decided to look at the art and see if it was a wrongful portrayal and if I felt attacked in any way shape or form. And guess what, I thought her drawings of Rose were beautiful, Amethyst was adorable and they're not super skinny, just not as plump as the show portrays them as being. The only reason I can think of as to why people would think this is offensive is if they haven't stepped into the sun and talked to someone for half a second in about five years.
Yeah! This shouldn't offend anyone. I'm glad there's people like you who actually have common sense. What the hell happened to freedom of speech huh?
Yeah, These people give other Steven Universe fans a bad name! Like how some people give Sonic, MLP, or FNaF fans a bad name!
The problem is they think they're invincible because of the internet... They infect every fandom. It Makes me sad.
+TheArceusftw As a sane sonic fan, I agree.
+Gamerssmash not sure how we got here, ff 9 is my favorite though, and it is a shame how much people like these harm fandoms...And it makes me sad that anyone could believe that its ok to try and drive someone to suicide, I'm not even the most avid fan, but I really hope that it does not harm the fandom, I am sure most fans, and people in general, would agree that bullying someone to the point of wanting to commit suicide is not ok.
+Gamerssmash
Do you mean whether or not the swj's (only *important* things deserve to be in caps) would lose their minds if Square were to leave out that part in the remake?
Most likely.
But I am curious as to how those scumbags plan on boycotting a large company like Square Enix, and not a defenceless individual for once.
Fight nights at foxtroughts is just a bad game, in general, the fans just make it worse.
I guess people don't realize that driving a person to suicide is murder. You can be arrested if you're caught
I've said that on tumblr before and people acted as if they couldn't be caught or as if it wasn't wrong.
+Joe Quinnell it is directly lets say if you send a person a death threat and that person kills himself because of it
if you hadnt sent that letter that person wouldt have died
ergo your letter and by extension you killed that person
+the last of the shpee's true however if they simply ignored the letter they wouldn't be dead by suicide
therefore my freedom of speech didn't kill them there suicidal thoughts did
but that's like my opinion dude
People shouldn't need the law to know not to do that. Social justice my ass.
+Dancergirl600 That's the thing with SJWs. They were raised with this arrogance where they feel they can do no wrong, and if things DO go wrong in their life, they're taught to blame someone else for "oppressing" them.
I think you missed the part where some of the creators of Steven universe (including Gravity Falls creator Alex) stepped up and told the fans that this was wrong and the criticism went to far for this person, and then the SJWs ATTACKED AND SENT HATE TO THE CREATORS. This is all on their Twitters
+Griffin Nest Do you have a link?
+Griffin Nest ...You serious? Oh, gosh... :O
Griffin Nest This just proves that the SJWs are cowardly idiots that reek for desperation.
Wow..
Send me the link. I need to know if people are really THAT stupid.
I recently got into an argument with someone on Tumblr over another person complaining about others drawing skinny Roses for support of Zamii, and in response they drew a fat Pearl. The drawing got a lot of praise, and then I pointed out the hypocrisy in skinny Rose = bad and fat Pearl = good. Of course, a shitstorm ensued and I got called fatphobic, even though I myself am fat.
Like ugh
The Tumblr Steven Universe fandom is horrible.
I hate the double standard, i hope one day it wont be as bad
+DarkVioletCloud
This is why I try to stay away from Tumblr.
+DarkVioletCloud The fun thing is they are trying to support people treating fat people the same as skinny people (or at least, that's what they claim), while they are exactly the ones treating it like it's different. And everyone else just doesn't care about if they're fat or skinny, which is exactly what they say they're trying to accomplish while they're the only ones not doing it. This is for everything they say they're supporting by the way. They're the only ones treating females different from males, they're the only ones treating gay people different from straight people, etc.
And the sad thing is that there are quite a lot of people doing this, also in the real world outside of cartoon fandoms.
+DarkVioletCloud bruh its tumblr XD
Don't you mean Social Justice Universe?
Hey Ohhh
*sigh*
That is one of the stupidest reasons to attack someone I have ever heard.
+Sammy Peterson You obviously haven't done your research. How about the guy who while announcing that the Mars Rover had landed or something similar to that was attacked for wearing a "sexist" shirt.
+Shuckle the Great he Landed a probe on a moving comet.
+Shuckle the Great
-_-
That's it, I moving to Jupiter. Anyone care to join?
+Sammy Peterson Naaaaaaa Mars is the place to go, at least there is water there....
+goodluckrubberduck Just melt it all or let the volcanoes do it.
I would really love if the creators of the show call out this bullshit in a future episode. People like this don't deserve to be in the SU fandom.
They did get called out by one of the writers
+Touko White (Hilda) the co-producer, an artist and Alex Hirsch from gravity Falls, they turned against them.
+UltimateLegoSonic As much as I would love to see that, it's unlikely, as it takes like a whole year to make an episode
I think they kinda did with 'bismuth' to an extent , yeah what she intended was kinda in the right place but she took it to far.
Rebecca Sugar called them out and these fucks demanded she cancel her show.
The thing I hate is that they defend themselves by saying they are younger teenagers. Bitch I was that age once and that doesn't mean I couldn't do anything wrong.
+bethany waters On the internet everyone gets treated like an adult. If they don't like that, they should stay off the internet. These teens need to learn what really happens when you treat someone like dirt, and I'm talking about their own internal guilt.
+PIEGUYRULZ couldn't say it better myself.
Apparently they are also calling one of the crewniverse a pedophile just because he liked a piece of art of this anime girl called Shimekaze.
Like it angers me so much and I hate how the assholes in the fandom just make everyone look bad. I'm legit scared to show my Steven universe ocs because they use he/him pronouns.
It's awful and I'm rambling XD
bethany waters
If you're looking for a pretty kind, and accepting place, I'd suggest the reddit community.
+PIEGUYRULZ thanks I'll try it!
+PIEGUYRULZ Reddit? Really? I haven't heard much of anything good about that place, actually. granted, I don't use it myself, so I don't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to that place, but most people I've heard use it generally don't like it or the community surrounding it. it's also apparently super unreliable...
This is just depressing. I knew that SJWs were that bad, but encouraging someone to kill themselves over fan-art is just drawing the line here. I hope that girl is doing well.
+SarahandAshley I hope she is doing okay as well. People really do get out of hand with what they say, and when that happens, it is quite sad.
+SarahandAshley Once I find them, I'm gonna have a word with those little punks.
+Troll Breaker me too
she is in the hospital, but doing just fine.
Trust me you think this is bad creationist get fucked 12 ways from sunday
Driving someone to suicide over art counts as social justice? Farwell Earth, I'm going back to the Nightmare Realm. At least things make sense there...
***** Berenstain Bears?
Bill Zypher It's the Mandela paradox, people remember these characters as the Bearen*stein* bears because stein is the more common suffix but it is actually spelled Bearen*stain* and it this phenomenon took the world by storm
Say “Hi” to Cipher for me :)
It really sucks that such hatred can brew in fandoms on the internet. There's a difference between criticism and being an outright jerk to someone because of their art. I do believe there are some good people on Tumblr who want equality and stuff, but the SJWs like these are too extreme. Thanks for speaking so passionately about this topic.
Friendly Reminder: SJW's have NEVER been about equality or "Social Justice"
this
+Rave Raptor Yeah, they're not doing this to better society, their just doing this just to satisfy their own agenda! Quagmire said it best from his Reason you suck speech towards Brian: "If you wanna help out, Grab a ladle!"
+Rave Raptor An activist builds a wheelchair ramp.
An SJW complains about stairs and tries to get them banned.
+Sad Hoshi amen to that!
the truth
"You're trying to solve bullying, by bullying".
THIS IS SO ACCURATE.
Honestly people should just leave the artist alone, art is subjective and shouldn't be judged
+ethanhey People can have opinions but people shouldn't be threatened and harassed like SJW is.
You clearly don't know the purpose of being an artist.
the thing about Zamii's artstyle is that she draws EVERY character for the most part skinny. it's just her artistic choice that fit with her angular style to make characters exaggerated levels of skinny. what those people did to her was terrible... and I hope she doesn't stop drawing because of it..... her work was freakin good...
now im gonna draw rose skinny just to see if sjws attack me
Vinyl Plastic ミーム same
Vinyl Plastic ミームGood luck dude, if you harm none, do what you will.
Fun and original !
you have my blessings my child.
I hope you survive the hell they’ll put you through
This is so sad, on so many levels. The main theme of the show, is LOVE. I'm not even a big fan of the show, and I know that. And now seeing stuff like this, I can't imagine how the people deeply involved with the show are feeling.
On behalf of the SJW's, I apologize to not only Zamii herself, but also to the entire, sane, rational portion off the SU Fandom, that is now going to deal with this event being stuck in everyone's heads.
Wow, this is so depressing. I need a Milky Way Bar.
Tumblr is especially bad. People are really critical
+Dancergirl600 A retched hive of scum and Political correctness!
'what's up everybody it's critical, today we're gonna convince a fan artist to commit suicide'
+TheArceusftw They are not politically correct though. Hell I mean people do not know the meaning of critical thinking.
+Dancergirl600 Tumblr is absolutely awful. I've been on it for a while and everything IS SJW posts. Constantly appearing and constantly shoved in front of unwilling hosts.
+Dancergirl600 "critical" is one way to put it I suppose. Haha.
"criticism" though.. 40 blogs entirely dedicated to stalking and harassing a kid arent criticism. thats sociopathy. apparently one of those people got arrested already - im glad about that. the scariest thing is that these bullies think they are the victims now, because people are beginning to see them for the vile creatures they are... (especially the SU team , i was glad they said something about the situation)
i really hope zamii recovers quickly and that she and her family can get over this at some point.
SUICIDE??!!! REALLY??!!! WHAT DO THIS PEOPLE THINK??!!! DO THEY THINK THAT SUICIDE IS SOME KIND OF "PLAY"???!!!
(sorry if my english is bad, I'm brazillian...)
I this scenario it's game
You only fucked up two words
Yaka de Brioche Mano,é complicado...
yes they do, they encourage it
Internet Logic: You drew Rose 1 inch to skinny! HAAAAAATE!!!! This is sad that this is what today's generation complain about.
Internet Logic 2: You drew Pearl 2cm too fat. I will hate you for an eternity. WTF People WTF
+xander sheriff No, if someone drew Pearl fat they would probably be praised for it. Only if someone slims a character down it becomes body shaming, not the other way around. Welcome to double standards.
+TheCrabMiner they were praised for it
XxDERPxX RUclips there are some drawings of the Powerpuff Girls as all fat and slobbish which they’re gross. But I guess that’s fat shaming... also I came across a drawing of Buttercup on a stripper pole. They didn’t even age her up so she would be old enough for that they kept her as a 5 year old girl.
Rick G Problens don't exist in developed countries,so they create new problens.
You see, it's people like this that give fanbases in general a bad name and reputation. Despite being in a vocal minority, they sadly leave a larger impression.
True.
Ninetys Purist
You again? You're like a broken record. Do you ever say anything else?
*****
Don't mind him; he does this in all of his comments.
*****
That's what I keep telling him.
You're not overreacting. A huge chunk of videos I watched referring to fandom so have heard about SU. My only problem with them is that the only reason they care about this is because it is recent. Hell, this shit happens in the Brony fandom all the time!
"Steven universe was a mistake."
-Rebecca Sugar
+94unclechuck Show me the link
***** Oh, ok
+94unclechuck She and Miyazaki would get along.
+Peri “Lets go home and play” Dot Cool, I just learned a new meme.
+Isaac Argesmith If you notice some parts of the animation, the animators do huge tributes to Ghibli's works through facial features and certain animation movements.
its not the fandom, its the SJWs!
Steven Universe?
SJWs are the 99% of it's fandom
+Joseph Donnelly wrong
they're more the minority, they're more on tumblr
there are fans outside of tumblr who're very tame.
most fandoms have the rabis fans as a minority, but they're usually the most outspoken though
+Garry Courtney Vocal minority and the sort. Blame them for being so stupid.
I like SU too why do they have to ruin its image? ;-;
+Joseph Donnelly Most of the fandom is alright, they just avoid being vocal in the fandom. I left tumblr because I couldn't feel safe talking about my favourite shows anymore, in fear of being bullied or doxxed by over sensitive people who search for a reason to hurt people.
+Ambipie The SU fandom on Tumblr is a cesspoll of SJWs. I use Tumblr, I've butted heads with people like this before. I'm big into the anime Attack on Titan and have been bullied for being "tranphobic" because I consider a character with an open-to-interpretation (as stated by the creator) character female. I'm active and the SU fandom on Tumblr as well, that things like this is not uncommon at all. The fandom is awful and hateful, at least on Tumblr, and this is not an isolated incident by any means. It IS the SJWs, but 99% of the fandom are SJWs.
Something else worrying is that when somebody politely brings up that something is legitimately sexist/racist etc, a lot of people will jump on them and accuse them of being an SJW instead of having a reasonable debate.
Yeah, and that really bites. Its like these 'boy who cried sexism' cases make people not actually believe it when there really is a problem. That's what's so sick about this situation, SJWs have the exact opposite effect of what they claim they stand for. Meanwhile you have closed minded people who can't understand that just because most cases of sexism/racism/whateverism are just blown out of proportion, doesn't mean there aren't legitimate things worth standing against.
Dr. Dhoom
I never said they were false. Whether something is offensive or not isn't something that can be proven true or false. In my opinion most of the cases of 'racism or sexism' on the internet that people make a big deal about are either really benign or non existent.
That's because of the old saying, a few bad apples spoil the bunch. Plus we're told SO MUCH about non racist and sexist things being twisted to sound racist and sexist by the over the top SJWs.
If these assholes weren't so fucked up and didn't almost drive someone into suicide for their fanart, then they're going to stick out and be remembered over the SJWs who do have a good point.
The over the top SJWs and feminists don't understand that they're damaging their cause in the eyes of the public, and its THEIR fault that their points aren't taken seriously at all. They want attention and conflict in their lives and this is their way, because they can hid safely behind their keyboards. It's fucking sad.
+Lady Brightcynder Im legitimately depressed, I've seen evil, but this? I feel disgusted that I'm in a society filled with people like this. She was in a hospital literally loosing sanity. Is it really that bad to think differently? No, I know.
Dr. Dhoom But it will follow you wherever you go online. I would probably be fine, but for a person of a fragile will it'll do things.
I'm gonna draw something very nice for Zamii.
+Mairead Malesco Good, I believe the poor girl needs some emotional help. Man, what is wrong with the world right now? Everyone, bring her some love.
+E Doodles I think that wasn't what he meant
Kraka Raka what did he mean?
Bullying on the internet... has gotten so far out of hand.
The fact that people literally want others to die for differing opinions, or for not liking a piece of art is beyond messed up.
Critiquing is fine, for any reason, but death threats are just way too far over the line, and it makes me sick that things like this have only seemingly been increasing in occurrence.
This is horrible. I didn't think that the Steven Universe fanbase was as bad as a lot of people say it is, but now....
+TheGCritic Trust me I seen some pictures of steven universe characters well you know doing what
+Viper I have too. It happens with a lot of things.
+Viper I mean that's a given. there's porn for everything.
+Viper thats how everythings fanbase is. I personally find it disgusting im not even much of an SU fan but the fanbase is.....wierd......to say the least. almost as wierd as fnafs fanbase
+Katz rule 34 lol
I hope they realise that encouraging someone to commit suicide, is MURDER!
It's not just for popular TV shows that have fans like that, but all kinds of popular media (via Video Games and Movies) have fans like that and any fanartist that get a lot of hate just because they drew a piece of artwork that others don't like, shouldn't be shamed or put down for it.
Tumblr poisons everything. If this carries on we will will be the next most hated Internet fandom. But what happened is disgusting.
Also on a side note, Rose is a fictional character so who the fuck cares about if she is skinny or fat? Not me because I have a IQ over 5.
+Sean The RUclips Hermit Same.
The worst thing about this is that this artist was picked on for _expressing herself and her enjoyment of the show._
The people who attacked her did this with self-righteous judgement that they felt was justice. Where could justice be found in a world you can't open up to, because if you try, you end up doing it in the wrong way? _Where's the justice in tearing someone down for trying to be themselves?_
For a show so filled with compassion, love, and understanding as Stephen Universe itself!
Couldn't agree with you more on this PieGuy, it is too far. It's disappointing and depressing how people could be so cruel.
A couple of weeks ago I was already ticked off about this fandom for a similar issue. I can't even accept this new low from these 'fans.' I'm really just reposting what I wrote then, because at this point it's intolerable:
How could a place like Tumblr, where people try to be all inclusive and supportive toward each other, be a place where the it's _the total opposite of that_? Why are people so superficial over things about each other like this? We already have a lot in life that's against us, we shouldn't be another example of that.
People who are fans of a show this filled with heart, somehow treats each other with hostility, because other fans aren't loving their favorite show right. They couldn't embody the show any less as they could now. Not even any less than what they think these 'wrong' fans would!
I like that Pikachu shirt.
+dlabom00001 I second this!
I third this
+dlabom00001 I liked that Spongebob poster on the wall.
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I like his wall.
+whiz 85 (Gingoguy) "I like that boulder, that's a niiiice boulder."
Its sad that some people don't realize it's actually rather difficult to learn how to draw larger people/characters ad make them look not insulting.
I'm serious; all my life drawing books have no big models in them! Even our life studies models were all either average or skinny, none really heavy set. So it's hard to draw something when you don't get the option to study it.
Yes, there's google image searches, but that was something frowned upon in my life study class because it wasn't from one of the recommended books from the class list. I look back at m old work and almost every since person is stick thin because of how drawing books and classes taught how to break down the human body with shapes.
It took me about 2 years once I was out to actually get the hang of drawing larger characters.
+samusai .akaTheMedia This is honestly something I've never thought about! Thanks for the incite!
No problem. Thought it should be something pointed out.
And to those who don't understand what I mean; it's something to look into. The basic shapes they always tell you to draw either a rectangle (no curves) or a bean shape (giving an hour glass figure with an indented waist); they rarely have you use circles for the torso. So I can't blame people who used books to learn how to draw figures or even taken a formal figure drawing class because they tell you the same thing.
I agree. It's a part of the craft that I, as an artist, have had to learn on my own
Absolutely amazing video. It bugs me that I try so hard to be the best and most empathetic person I can be to do the right thing (almost to a point where I drive myself crazy and over-criticize myself) while there are people like that who are complete bullies, hypocrites, and will not even look in the mirror once. They don't even care about morals, don't take pride in themselves and their actions (which allows them to bully others), and don't want to help people at all. I'm by NO means trying to say that I am some saint, but I am putting in the effort every day to be the best person I can be.
At this point, the most important thing to do is to keep trying to be the best people we can be, even to them. It takes a lot of heart to make a video like this, and you really hit the nail on the head in a well-spoken manner. You've always been my favorite RUclipsr, but my respect for you went up even more after this video. This situation and those people are driving me bonkers as well (I don't even watch Stephen Universe), but just look at that like/dislike ratio. Even though it really doesn't seem like it at times, more people ARE sensible and moral and these loony tunes are in the minority. They are just a very vocal minority and are the ones that love to harm others. They'll learn one day, though. One day they'll see the light.
Thanks PieGuy for this great video. You're without a doubt the best reviewer and speaker I've seen on this website, and even though this seems a little silly, you are a huge inspiration to me when I review. Keep on rolling, man. You're a great reviewer and guy.
P.S. I'm still hyped for season 7! Take your time, though. I know how long making a quality review can take.
Never have I felt such an impulsive emotion of empathy, and will to try to assist a complete stranger. I hope with the support of now what I'm assuming of thousands of faceless encouragers, this woman will make a full emotional recovery, and feel better than ever.
Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention, Pieguy. You're pretty cool, Pieguy.
The worst part is: She's apologised. She's acknowledged that she's made mistakes. I'm personally not a big fan of people drawing Rose as skinny, but if you don't like the art, you don't have to look at it??? Tumblr has a blocking feature and there's a blacklisting option through XKit (which is free and p much everyone has it). Like, you don't have to bully her at all? And even after she's apologised, what does continuing to be an asshole to her gain?
There was also some scandal where she did a commission for a guy who turned out to be a sex offender and that somehow makes her supportive of paedophilia? Like, she didn't even know??? I mean, I don't get involved in tumblr drama (it's a toxic wasteland of needless accusations and callout posts and texts from years ago. It's all very biased and a bit of a mess), but that's what I've been able to glean. And by their logic, somehow being nice to a paedophile makes you some sort of supporter of sexual abuse? I rlly don't get this community..
+Tori Bastia
I beg to differ with the, "If you don't like the art, you don't have to look at it." Saying, "I dislike how you are portraying Rose as so skinny, it's inaccurate to the show" is constructive criticism. I don't agree nor disagree with the criticism. However, someone is stating what they perceive to be a problem, and saying how to improve it. And the author has every right to disagree with this criticism. Criticism is needed for artists to improve.
The thing is though, everyone went off the deep end and fucking exploded over the smallest goddamn thing. If someone is screaming at someone else over "fat shaming" a cartoon character then something is wrong with them. They need a reality check. Someone drew a character to be skinny, it perplexes me that people take so much time and energy to get offended by this and harass someone over it. Don't people have better things to worry about?
+Da Police I certainly see your point, and those ppl were welcome to give their criticism. But honestly, when it angers you that much, you have options. You don't have to sit and boil and become bitter is more what I meant. Leave your criticism (in a way that isn't aggressive) and get on w/ your life.
I absolutely agree with that entire second paragraph, though. There's this whole community of tumblrites that 're just hate-filled and will get angry at anything. I personally think they're a bunch of 12-year-olds who see the progressive ideology, but only think in terms of black and white, as kids their age are wont to do. I dislike it, so it's morally bad. I like it, so it's morally good. The person behind this thing must be bad b/c I take moral offense to it. They're stubborn and act like children b/c, for the most part, they are children (or at least think like them) and it just... rlly bothers me that a show about love somehow attracts these hateful ppl.
+Tori Bastia I am not defending the tumblrinas by any means. What they did was horrible, and has no excuses. Sorry if my first paragraph gave off the connotation that I was defending them. I was basically saying that any problems someone has with art should be stated, but in a mature manner.
+Da Police I didn't perceive it that way at all. I just wanted to clarify what I meant. (And also vent a bit about the goings-on in this community b/c holy shit, the things I have seen). I love this garbage site, but my /god/ it's this one specific community of these belligerent individuals. And this type of thing happens all the time, usually on a lesser scale (it's usually just personal drama made public). I guess that's what I'm annoyed about the most. There're all these callout posts and full blogs dedicated to bullying certain users for a whole host of reasons. Sometimes they're pretty major (abusive relationships and such), other times they're minor (hating on John Green b/c you don't enjoy the way he writes women), but it's always nasty and it always feels a bit like overkill. And I never feel like it's trying to gain anything. There's no endgame, just nastiness.
+Tori Bastia Yeah, I agree. It's like you have every right to look at art and give your interpretation and stuff, but once you've said it... move on if you hate it so much. It's important to realize that not all art will be for every person, and if you don't like skinny Rose.... just say that and be done with it. The problem is, these people find it moarally wrong and think they need to go on a righteous crusade to stop it.
The irony is that she was right. Rose was a skinny girl the whole time.
Well this was a rather depressing video, all I can say is that we should spread awareness to others about internet garbage and extremists like these people,trolls, cyberbullies, raging fanboys, shippers and so on and how we should block,ignore them and generally take everything they say with a grain of salt, because these people are nothing but unworthy lowlife.
+Dalibor Jovanovic But what about Raging Fangirls?
+The Name's Recoome fanboy/fangirl same thing.
+Dalibor Jovanovic Ja samo ignorisem takve ljude ;)
+SbTditdatdwt To sam I rekao :)
I'm sure the makers of this show are ashamed of these people, I know I would be.
+Blaze The Movie Fan Considering they, along with Alex Hirsch from Gravity Falls, called these people out for it.
Yeah, they definately ARE ashamed.
+Sammy Peterson The shamers have been shamed.
I feel so ashamed to be a part of this fandom. I just want to watch a TV show.
This story is disgusting. These types of SJWs are what make me loose faith in humanity. I'm just happy Zamii is okay.
The worst thing is that these people extrapolate for reasons to get angry, I mean they called her a pedophile for accidentally calling a convicted felon (arrested for children pornography possession) a friend instead of follower. Same with Zamii being "transmisogynistic" for useing the word guy and dude on women. Every word you say is scrutinized by these people to tell lies about your character.
I also think they ended up calling Rebecca Sugar and Ian Jones Quartey pedophiles. Still when the Tumblr/SJW crowd goes with any argument related to children and protecting the children, they are just the left wing version of Helen Lovejoy. I do hope the general disgust from the online community to this leaves potential future victims with a healthier network and support for their art.
Pieguy... You HAD to make this video and i'm glad you did... seriously this is long overdo (and sadly not the end of it) This type of stuff applies to all fandoms and not just cartoon fandoms. I'm glad you did this because you handle this stuff more maturely than anyone else i've seen (so far).
I'm scared of SJWs. buuuttt... i dont mind SJWs attacking me. It's fun to laugh.
nintendo chu same once you learn how to counter them they become a complete joke
*This is just saddening, these monst- I mean, **_"fAnS"_** are giving the rest of us fans a bad name.*
How do you think the characters in Steven Universe would react to this insane harassment?
Garnet: This is unacceptable. I'm very disappointed in you.
Pearl: What is the meaning of this?!
Amethyst: Ugh, you're no fun anymore!
Steven: This can't be happening! This has to be a dream!
and the best part of this is that I tried to read it in their voices. :p
I felt the emotion in your voice and in this video, Pieguy. I'm not in the SU fandom but my best wishes go out to this poor girl. And her art is very innocent and pretty. :/
Poor zamii. At least she's ok now!
Also, my defence for zamii:
1) Many other artists have drawn Rose skinny.
2) Drawing a fat character is hard for some people that are used to drawing skinny and curvy characters, so you can't really blame her for Rose looking skinny.
3) Many other SU fans have drawn the characters in the art styles of Japanese animation/anime.
4) SHE DID NOTHING WRONG!
This is my first video I'm seeing from you, and let me say, you are very amazing when it comes to trying to get your point across people. All of that just earned yourself a like and a subscriber! Also, may I remind you that the fanbase who attacked the girl and almost drives her to suicide, they for some reason had the nerve to even attack the actual creators of Steven Universe themselves all because the creators came to that girl's comfort and tell the fanbase to stop.
Yeah I heard this already and at the time I was pissed off, insulted, and disgusted how I found this in my subscriptions especially in the SU fandom. Granted the sensible and reasonable fans of any fandom especially this one don't stoop this low and would never support this and aren't at fault and I am apart of this fandom as well as others fandoms but I am so sick of finding this type shit and for what reason? Because it was "offensive" and they have to hate on that person, really. This shit has gone too far and too long and it is this minority group of SJWs and toxic people that make this worse and make the fandom look bad. I'll never accept this shit and I hope the person will be okay because she doesn't deserve any of this and she shouldn't have to deal with any of the bullshit. I don't fucking care if Rose is drawn skinny or fat but to get so "offended" to hate and send death threats is where I want to scream how wrong and disgusting and vile they really are for this.
Also there is nothing wrong with any of her art and she hasn't intentionally insulted or offended anyone and I love her artwork and it is sad that this shit reached to someone innocent and just trying to share her artwork. And for people to call themselves "fans" o this show and result to doing this is insulting and they should have no part of the show or the fandom if the message is love and care IN THE SHOW.
+Timothy Deligero Amen, mate.
+Stan ™ thanks and I can't believe I found this news twice in my subscriptions and I was so infuriated of this type of shit happening fandoms. I have seen and been in so many of these type of situations that make me question how these people are "fans" of the show if they do the exact opposite or worse of what the show is trying to tell and teach them. It is like they lost their reasons of why they love the show in the first place from worshipping and think they need to "defend" the show but instead we get SJWs and toxic people because of this.
These made me sad, like REALLY sad. SU is a great show, and not to mention progressive. But the fandom is full of immature people. But that's only the tip of the iceberg, the SJW are even worse. You'd think that as time went on, people would progress. Progress as in mature and learn to not he offended so easily. It also makes me upset to see all of the hate Zamii gets, espicially because her art is pretty good. Hopefuly this will stop soon, but probably won't.
People in general are too far controlled by their emotions; negative most notably. It is why the internet and much of society can be unpleasant. No one finds a true sense of morality and understanding, which leads to immoral actions and hostility. That's why i love people so much, they are always subject to change; for the better preferably, or worse.
I'm so glad you made this video. I was absolutely horrified when I saw this had happened. As someone who is larger, I was more offended by how these fans completely missed Steven Universe's messages about loving, forgiveness, tolerance than someone draw rose "the wrong way" or whatever.
Please let's not kid ourselves and use this as an excuse to say "look at them! look at them and how nasty and bad they are for doing this awful thing, we really need to get rid of these people," Because doing that is exactly why this happened in the first place. Drawing fatter characters as rails or conventionally hourglass was used to taunt the people who thought it was so great that a larger character was portrayed as awesome. And they were NASTY about it. They'd follow folks and taunt them for being overweight "how dare you start to think you can be accepted".
So a bunch of dumb teenagers looked at these fatshameing folks and said "look at them! look at them and how nasty and bad they are for doing this awful thing, we really need to get rid of these people" And they figured anyone who drew the character not large enough must be one of those awful awful fatshamers and it's "absolutely okay to do to them what they did to others".
Now you might think you and anything you're associated with would never do that, but take a good look at the comments and you probably won't go five seconds without reading about how we need to get rid of "SU fans" or "tumblr" or "Fat-positive" or "for some reason feminists are mentioned because they always are". We humans are hate addicts. We want to fight even if it's not even remotely required. We want an enemy to fight and destroy so we feel less awful about how imperfect we are. We want to point at something bad someone else did and say "look at that horrible person! Lets get rid of him any anything that resembles him and help the world be better" rather than look at our own faults and try to fix them.
I think the difference is that I'm not trying to make a call to arms and say "let's go get these people". I totally understand the flip side of this and actively disagree with the people in the comments saying we need to "do something" about these people. I know that there really isn't much we can do unless we want to stoop to their level which would be very hypocritical and wrong. The only thing that can be done is to collectively point out how idiotic and wrong the situation is and promote being constructive in a positive way. I don't think I said anything about hating all of tumblr or feminists or the SU fandom. There will always be jerks in every group. However certain groups are more prone to being an echo chamber than others.
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not really you, sweety, more folks in the comments.
+Betsy Lee (warlordofnoodles) Oh haha then yeah, I agree. I'm sure a lot of people are just angry and venting, but yeah trying to hunt these people down isn't the right answer.
Passion's great kids but logic's pretty nice too. A chicken with it's head cut off is very spirited, but doesn't get a lot done 'cept to be eaten.^^
+PIEGUYRULZ I got one word that we can put into effect that may help us teach them the error of their ways without becoming like them: logic. We use logic and figures to teach them and we can show them what it's like to enjoy fanart.
dont bring up anita ;.; your above her
Way Way WAY above her!!!
+Brandon Roberts Let's just ignore the puppeteer John Macintosh but yeah, pretty much.
+Minespatch the channel nobody even brings up Johnathan Apple products when it comes to Anita
+martialartsism Even hell is above her.
Art is meant to be stylized your way. By pen, or pencil, or paint, or watercolor, or ect. In your way. That's what makes an artist an artist for what style they have.
Art shouldn't have strict rules to follow like a book. I mean Spongebob displays this very well.
The characters are literally rocks that can change their form to whatever they desire at will.
I hate social justice warriors.
I think you made a great point and it shows to me even more why you're my favorite critic. I saw a video AlphaOmegaSin made about this same incident the other night and yeah it is very messed up for anyone to push someone to the point of not wanting to live anymore. People have done that to me in school and it is the worst feeling in the world. I love Steven Universe, I do. But I would never do something so evil like that to anybody, whether I liked their art or not.
Jesus Christ I feel bad for that fan :(
I love this video more than anything
thanks for sharing
almost cried halfway through, then I went to check her tumblr and that didnt make me feel much better
its just
she doesnt deserve any of this, and she doesnt have a reason to say sorry
I'm glad shes doing ok
Yeah I hate this whole accusatory BS attitude that's been permeating for several years. It's like if you have a dissenting opinion from someone you're automatically anti-this or that even if you have good intentions. People nowadays like to squash things that they don't understand/are different to them and this makes me sad. People have the right to interpret things how they please.
+youroneandonlyneighborhoodboi Yeah, it's upsetting to think that people genuinely don't give a damn about your motives and cut straight to the blind critical hate that they think you deserve. This artist just wanted to interpret Rose the way she/he wanted to. The artist didn't necessarily mean anything serious by her/his interpretation and gave no real reason for it. Yet people, despite not knowing any intention or background information, decide to fire shots at anyone and anything that's even remotely offensive or belittling to any sort of minority. I dealt with this type of shit in elementary school. People hated me for some of the things I did without even wondering why I did them (they were 8 year-olds, so it makes sense). I would always attempt to explain in a mature manner and tone of voice WHY I was who I was, but to no success. They believed that I should just be like them and that they could just change me. Being cut off so much ended up giving me some serious anger-issues which have only subsided in recent years. So what I'm saying is, a large majority of the people on the internet can be compared to bratty 8-year-olds who believe that they're doing the right thing by putting people down at every turn without even bothering to care about their motives. Any actual reason is quickly rebutted by denial from the attacking side, thus leading to an endless, pointless, chain of comments that takes up space when you click "See all comments." Criticism and opinions are just fine though, don't get me wrong, but when you start turning it into a seriously violent extremist opinion where you believe that what you hate shouldn't exist....... it gets sort of messy and a lot less constructive than some other criticism.
I had to label my blog (when I had it) as anti-sjw to keep them from following me. Actually, the anti-sjws who followed me were much more open-minded than the sjws I saw on Tumblr everyday. It's crazy. Tumblr NEEDS to be fixed. I think of it were shut down, these people would eventually snap out of the mob mentality.
+frickengamer149 Well said, both of you!
Personally I think the majority of the more extreme SJWs are just young and misguided and are going about everything wrong. There are legitimately some who have mental issues though. Like I can't blame them for recognizing that there are social issues in the world, it's how they go about at it that's weird. Instead of attacking everyone and having a judgementary bias they should be more open minded and considerate of other people and their beliefs.
Honestly guys, I'd reblog some of her art and send her heaps of praise, maybe make her feel a bit better when she sees it, let the people on your tumblr know how great of an artist she is and let it spread, she really needs this positive encouragement.
I know I'm two years late to this, but instead of SJWs harrasing fan artists, they need to lock it up and piss off.
this is honestly really sad. I can't believe that people go as far to get them to commit suicide, it's sick. To quote Mr.Enter "good people can make bad art, and bad people can make good art" what they create doesn't mean that they are "racist, sexist, offensive" ect.
The ONLY thing I agreed with in the tumblr fandom was the want to keep NSFW work in the NSFW tag. Tumblr isn't meant for children, but there are children on it, and it's better to not expose them to porn. Everything else was dumb though, like people called me transphobic for not believing the trans Lars headcanon (which had little to no backup), I was called racist for informing someone that Garnet wasn't human and therefore couldn't be black (black coded, but not actually black), called homophobic because I didn't take issue with the pewey ship, told I was a horrible person because I related to "abusive" Pearl, called fat phobic because I didn't mind skinny rose art, called ableist when I said I thought a character might not be autistic, and basically eaten alive when I said it took me a while to realize that Garnet was more than a friendship (I'm pretty bad at recognizing different relationship levels, not my fault.). Anyway, that was just what the fandom did to me, let alone others.
wherever Zambii is I hope she's doing alright. No one deserves to be bullied the way she was, and to anyone else reading this, don't let ANYONE stop you from making art or expressing yourself. There will always be haters out there but you don't have to stop because of what they think.
I love this show, however it upsets me that people are being so negative about a positive show. The more perfect a show can pull something off, the more people expect everything about it to be perfect, the better something is the worse people are about a subtle difference. Perfection causes perfectionists, this show is very good with it's accuracy and continuity and when something challenges that there will always be someone to ruin it. So if you are someone that makes art and are slandered over your work, don't stop. Even if no one likes your work, you do, that's all that matters. I draw but I don't care about negative criticism because people are still looking at my work, weather or not they like it, they analysed it and thought about it... good enough for me. Sorry for the long comment but some people don't think about what they are doing until it is to late and cover up the incident like it never happened with an ego.
Aw man, this video is pretty emotional compared to the norm on the channel. Though the subject deserves it.
This whole politically correct society does more harm than good in my opinion. People just end up taking things too far about things that do not really matter when they should just step back and chill out. I guess that is why I love this season of South Park so much.
People are treating fictional characters like real people and treating real people like fictional characters. And that is sad.
its not sad if i like it
Saying that you're a "Social Justice Warrior" is probably the most hypocritical things I have ever seen on the internet. Getting "offended" for others is awful, and I couldn't feel more sorry for everyone getting the raw end for this. Paige (I believe that's her name) especially so. People are already creating this toxic cloud for the SU fans and the people who genuinely had no idea about this, and those who didn't care, are all getting treated like dirt because of this unpleasant situation. All because a _fictional character_ was drawn by a _fan of the show_.
But you know, it was all politically correct of them to call her out on it. -_-
(Also, sorry for the kind of ranty, rambly, nonsensical comment, but this whole situation has me so upset... But that's the internet for you)
Ryan Calder "But you know, it was all politically correct of them to call her out for it. -_-" "Politically correct" Since when is bullying someone to the point of suicide and saying that she is racist/sexist just because she made fan art "Politically correct". She had no intentions of hurting anyone, she was just making fan art! If you really feel bad for her, then why do you think calling her out is "Politically correct"?
Wow, this is horrible! This has probably affected the cartoon community for a while. I don't know for how long, though. Being bullied to suicide needs to be taken seriously. There's nothing wrong with drawing a character differently. When I draw cartoon characters, I'm often off-model and/or using an outdated style (on purpose). Her drawings are actually beautiful.
zamii070 does not deserve the criticism she got. It's fine if someone dislikes it, but no one deserves to be bullied to suicide!
Man, that's absolutely sick. This is why I refuse to use tumblr.
The people who spent all this time critisizing a girls drawing need to get a life. There are plenty of drawings on pinterest and tumblr that you're not gonna like, how long are you going to be petty and mean about it. Why would you go out of your way to condemn them?
Never said this last night cause i was pissed, but very well said PieGuy. You managed to say everything you wanted to say without losing your cool where I would have gone crazy. You are so much more than just a cartoon critic man and i commend you.
Thanks! It's not easy to make a video that breaks from the norm.
Well you did it very well!
I love this. I tend to be overly PC, but I can't even comprehend shit like this. Yeah, it kinda sucks that people draw canonly larger characters to fit the societal idea of "pretty," but how can these people go from "I'm slightly upset by this portrayal made by a total stranger" into "LET'S MAKE THEM KILL THEMSELVES!"??? Even if you disagree, always try to do so in a respectful way. You don't know the story or intentions behind everything someone says, makes, or does. Even if they are INTENTIONALLY being mean, even if it's insanely-over-the-top hateful, YOU need to be the bigger person if you actually want to make any change. No one likes being yelled at, and if these SJWs actually cared about the causes they fight for, they would be willing to have a calm debate.
The only reason they lash out like this is a mixture of mob mentality and the desire to feel better about themselves ["You did THIS thing, but I will HEROICALLY tell you how awful you are for it!"]
No matter whether the good lessons and good morals come from a writer, a poet, a movie, a cartoon, or Jesus himself, there will always be people who forego the most important teachings, the most humbling of words, and the most tolerant of practices, in favor of picking out something which was said or expressed that they can use to bully other people with. It's almost a primal need in certain minds that makes them crave to want to yell, and scream, insult, and berate others for often very minuscule reasons, just to feel some amount of satisfaction: as if they are doing the world a righteous service.
This is a despicable mind-set. It never makes things better. It almost never leads to real change, and good thing too. And it does great harm not just to the victims, but the bystanders who find themselves equally associated with the people causing the most ruckus within their ranks.
I by no means blame the Steven Universe fan-base for the actions of these outliers, as I am a fan myself. And every fan-base that rallies around a show or title like this, perhaps even the recent Undertale game, are going to have their radicals who wish to do more harm than good. The best thing to do is to stay strong, to ignore the trolls and harmful comments as much as possible, rely on your friends and family for support, and work through the tough times. Because eventually, everyone finds something else to complain about.
PIE you SHOULD talk about more stuff like this as it relates to cartoons. There's nothing wrong with it.
+Monty2289 Not that I'm asking you to promote something but we need people like you just being themselves and showing that Millennial progressives are what's hurting us. These people who believe that their taking offense comes first and that feeling is worth hurting another person. The more people we have to look at situations like this and go: "That's wrong" the better
sjws are making fun of how she draws hands. are u serious hands are hard lets see them try it
It was super shitty what happened to this poor girl, like personally i'm really not a fan of people drawing Rose thin but that's my goshdang opinion and like hell if I'm gonna call out someone for having a differing idea of her
Hey PieGuy, this has nothing to do with the video, but i had a question for you, do you enjoy making RUclips videos? i know hes probaboy not gonna answer but whatever.
I wouldn't do it if I didn't enjoy it!
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@@PIEGUYRULZ I love your videos
I saw her art on her DA page. She's not bad. Actually faved two of her pics. Still doesn't deserve all the hate that made her nuts.
Tell me, what has social justice ever accomplished? What is their method and end goal? And does that even work?
+Chris Ale 1- They've accomplished the following: Being jerks to the point of the victim of abuse wanting to kill herself, hating a piece of art because a character is skinny in the work.
2- Their method is to insult and harass people to the point of contemplating suicide, just like the example below.
3- Their end goal is for everybody on earth to stop making anything creative, different, interesting, cool, helpful, relaxing, or anything at all basically.
Example-
SJW: You made a bench? That bench is short. Almost like you built that bench to insult people under 8 feet tall. (bunch of swears that I really don't have time to type and would take up at least 1000 characters) You should rot in hell, kid. You have no purpose in life and you need to stop existing. If you have time to make a bench you also have time to make a noose to hang yourself, you bloody prick. Stay away from society. Nobody will ever like you. Anyone who is currently your friend will want you dead within 3 weeks. Satan doesn't even like you. Your parents never loved you. Al Qaeda and Isis don't want you because you'd make them look bad. Really, get a grip. Quit making benches. I don't care if that wasn't your intention, you made a bench that insults people under 8 feet tall and you need to stop. Everybody who will sit on your skillfully crafted bench will be cursed and die within 1 week of sitting there. If they want to stop and take a rest because they have been jogging or something, they will surely die very soon. Anybody who might be interested in buying your bench will be in the intermediate zone of a nuclear attack, where they will slowly rot away from radiation poisoning, making them suffer for weeks. You are the worst freakin person ever because you made a bench that probably won't insult anyone, but I really don't want to take risks. Really, go jump off a bridge if the bridge is above an active volcano filled with lava and fire and burning rocks and stuff.
I hate SJWs.
+Chris Ale their good at co-opting movements like occupy wall street and killing it
nothing. so much for social justice. my people are still being deported, mistreated, killed, and our country is in ruins. ahhhh but a hand from super Mario maker is way more important than all of that.
Things like this are really sad... I mean, do they have nothing better to do than harass somebody for drawing a fictional character in their own art style? She had no intent for harm so they shouldn't of thrown hate at her. If they really felt strongly about what she drew, then they could of told her how they feel in a non-hostile way. I have seen too many situations like this and it it's horrible that this stuff happens.
This is why the Steven Universe fandom is the worst fandom in all of cartoons
Cartoon characters drawn with an anime style are extremely common but not the other way around. I keep searching for fanarts of anime characters drawn with a distinct American cartoon style I can only find very few examples. I wonder why
I've seen it done. Just not as common.
Pieguy tweeted this, and I think it's a very poignant point that needs to be understood:
"What makes SJW harassers so much scarier than trolls is that they think they're righteous. Trolls just want a lol, hate mobs want you gone."
As much as I wish this was the case, prejudiced people aren't stupid. They look for reasons to justify their prejudice to society. This is why we have people like SJWs and militant atheists-they claim to be the ones fighting against bigotry, when nothing could be further from the truth. They get a lot of people to buy into their logic. The cycle of hating is a vicious, never-ending one.
On another note, replace "hate mobs" with "cyberbullies", and you have the perfect rebuttal to Enter's shitty Troll video.
I think you did the right thing posting this. (Don't let the haters get you down if they happen to get after you for it, since you are just expressing an opinion, and you DID warn people.)
While I think there are problems in commercial media with body issues and how magazines, television, and movies portray women and men utilizing digital manipulation (especially how there are unrealistic expectations with how someone should be proportioned by a lot of commercial companies which sell clothes or put out other media), I also agree that a fanart made by someone on deviantart, if it isn't depicting something horrendously disturbing, pornographic, or illegal, is essentially harmless. It's just a fan who's just expressing their love for a television show.
She's also not forcing anyone to look at these depictions you describe. These people who are harassing her, if they really wanted to make a difference about how media portrays unrealistic body aesthetics,, they should take their grievances to those magazines or media companies that allow starving models on their covers, and stop picking on some person online they don't know.
By choosing to pick on someone online and harass them, they're actually making people view their cause and points of view in a negative and unsympathetic fashion, especially since they're doing it in a disrespectful manner. These individuals are trolls. And based on what you're saying, there is no excuse for their harassment, and if they're so offended by some pictures, they're not obligated to continue looking or comment on someone's fan work, since they aren't paying for it. They can simply go to a search bar and find something else to look at if they want to see something in particular, and voice their opinions by not patronizing that person's web page or whatever if they disagree with them.
In speaking out, I thank you for saying what people are sick of seeing from these trolls. Continue making vids expressing your opinions, especially on today's kid shows, because you have some great insight.
This is one of the reasons I deleted my tumblr. People are so quick to bully people over such silly things. I had someone tell me to kill myself because I corrected someone who was trans. Like, being a minority doesn't mean you're always right, or that people pointing out your mistakes are racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic/ableist. The call-out culture on Tumblr has changed from calling out complete bigots to calling out everyone who disagrees with you or makes a mistake, and it's really hurtful to everyone on both sides of it. I was always the one to state my opinion if it had logic in it, so I got attacked a lot. I think anyone with any kind of open-mindedness should stay off of tumblr.
My thoughts exactly. That's precisely why I left. Tumblr is too toxic for my liking
It disgusts me that people get so low as to try and get someone to commit suicide. Really? Just because you don't approve of someone's fanart? Thank you for making this video. It makes me happy that there's people on the internet that are sincere and actually have some sanity.
They're freakin' *rocks* , you guys.
You can't be racist, sexist, or homophobic towards rocks.
Get over yourself, Tumblr.
This has been done all over the Internet. I follow this girl on Wattpad called @twilighttilldawn. She posted a book about why Twilight was better than Harry Potter. Sure, her facts weren't accurate, but people were continuously hating on her. I felt so bad for her. She went into depression and handed her account over to her friends, who didn't handle it well. Thankfully she is getting better and has since taken her account back from her friends. I hope for the world and the Internet that people look at this and think about it the next time they decide to hate on a person for a stupid or no reason. I rest my case.
SJW, once I saw that I knew what was coming. Could Thanos just snap these people away please?
+Icy Flamedragon That's basically what he does in Infinity War. After achieving ultimate power he snaps his fingers; destroying half the life in the universe.
+Icy Flamedragon That's basically what he does in Infinity War. After achieving ultimate power he snaps his fingers; destroying half the life in the universe.
+Icy Flamedragon Let's just be the bigger people and say they're disgusting and move on.
+AshXXMayftw And Beerus-sama could help out too!
+TheArceusftw Yeah, but he tends to overreact. He'd probably destroy the whole world if one of them made fun of his looks.
Sometimes I look at the human race - and I just get really saaaad, and I think it will never get better, but then I remember we have good people, like Pieguy.
I never thought a video would make me happy and sad at the same time.
Okay, I'm going on a tangent, I'll shut up now ;-;