360 cameras are finally good... but you have to mount them correctly
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
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I would love to see a video on how you do the overlays
insts360 includes the overlays, but he’s using a custom layout.
correct @janemf. Summary version is commentary and reframing is done in insta software, screenrecorded in OBS so my editor can match the reframing and commentary in premiere with the overlays.
@@NorCalCyclingwhy not just use the built in overlays on the insta360 camera? It can pull in the Garmin data.
really appreciate the work you put into these videos thank you
@@johnventevogel7415 Same question. I've tried it a few times and it's pretty seamless
We've definitely stepped up our game since our first cameras, glad to have you on board 💪 Absolutely nailed why we love X4 for cycling, we'll definitely look into that mount Thanks for the support!
Any news on supporting Wahoo integration with overlays?
@@insta360 and it will be great if you guys can fix the gradient reading on Garmin overlays, the value is way off… (much lower than actual reading)
@@MyCyclingSaga My question too. It’s the only thing preventing me from buying an Insta360.
I will buy my first insta360 when these mounts are available 👍
the handle bar being stitched out is perfect, it gives us more to see behind the bike
right!?!
I agree
It's obvious that Insta 360 isn't a sponsor, so it's really nice of you to put this video out there to help anyone who has one of these cameras or wants to buy one. I'm looking forward to seeing the new studio and pain cave. Have a good one!
Have the same exact setup, only thing ( and this is very important to anyone planning to follow this setup) make sure that mount/adapter is aluminum or metal, I made the mistake to use a Gorpro adapter that was similar but it was plastic. Two 3rds into my race it broke and my X4 hit the road at 45kmh, lucky me only the screen cracked, everything still works perfectly and the included lens protectors did their job. So don't use old Gopro or any adapter that is not alloy/metal.
Jeff, which bike computer is that? It is super low profile!
Yeah I’m curious too
My recommendation is that you put a safety loop tied to the camera. lens protector. I already had the experience of the camera falling
Would it help if the mount was designed with an extremely strong magnet?
would love to see the video of the post processing. Overlays and such
Great stuff! The torque on the mount from a heavy camera is a bit concerning. I'd love to see handlebar manufacturers provide an even more sturdy solution with larger bolt interfaces from mounts. Believe they're mostly designed for 150g computers, and that's not enough when you triple the load on a bumpy road.
speaking from experience, it is better to mount the camera on a stick, either the selfie stick or the stick included in an insta 360 official bike mount (even though this results in having an antenna sticking off your bike). Mounting so tightly to the handlebars as illustrated in this video will transfer a lot of vibrations to the camera. I am using my second insta 360 1X3 now the first being damaged as a result of a similar mounting.
Yeah it looks way better with a stick and a slightly higher angle
Yep. Love the footage I get with my X4 mounted to a 22.5cm long stick. You get a better third person view with it mounted a bit further away from you, though as you say you do need to be mindful of how it sticks out in front of you when mounted this way.
Ohhhhhh mannn, you nailed it with this video! I'm just planning to buy a X4 for my bicycle rides and I had a lot of questions about how should I mount the camera itself... and you just came with a video like this... Thanks a lot 👏🏼 Cheers from Colombia 🇨🇴
love colombia! planning our next trip in 2025
@@NorCalCycling Same here! Kudos from Germany.
Always looking for ways to share epic rides in compelling ways. Thanks again for the amazing content!
Literally was just searching for this exact information all day today. Can’t believe you posted same day I was looking for this!
I was waiting .... big brother is watching
The angle of the dangle is CRITICAL!
I have been looking for a guide on how to setup my 360cam on my bike for so long, I even looked closely in your videos try to figure out how you did it, This video helps me a lot. Thankyou sooo much！！！！
Glad I could help!
Oh my god… this is the type if solution I’ve been lokking for for so many years and it was right between my fingertips… thanks!
Hey Jeff, what tool do you use for the overlays?
I couldn’t get VIRB to work and I have been fiddling around with RaceRender.
Thanks!! I’ve been experimenting with mounts and positions too. I’m going to try this since I have all the stuff! Since it’s directly above the tire I think I’ll use the premium lens protectors, though I’m concerned about lessened image quality.
Hi there!
Fantastic video, however could you please share to us which mount are you using for the garmin?
This was great. One open question is what are you using on the out front mount to provide the 'gopro fork' on the underside? I haven't found parts that I trust with that kind of load.
Great tutorial, your race footage is always the best! I was cracking up at the length you go to eliminate rattles... My wheels are currently setup with tubes and valve extenders which rattle against the valve hole so I meticulously slid tiny rubber ring washers down over the valves 😂
ohh ya I've encountered that one before, used electrical tape myself 😂
I do the rubber washer thing also! Lol
Great video Jeff! Too often we see tech reviews for bike cameras that bang on about the FPS and bit rate, when all we really want to know if how will it mount to my bike and will it look slop when doing so. Keep these coming mate, real;ly enjoying them.
On a sunny day, are you running into issue using the premium lens guard? With the premium lens guard on, the camera captures too much reflection and seemingly every single bit of dust on the lens/lens guard.
Great way to mount the camera but how am I going to mount a front light bc I do night rides
I had a X3 to do exactly that configuration, but it used to mess with the GPS on my Garmin. Any signs of that issue with the X4?
I haven’t experienced that
I wonder whether a 360camera and Garmin combo would sell. There's space in the frame for 18650 battery intégration. Now that bikes are electronic you could run a slim sturdy wire for power through the headset and stem. And then you'd have beautiful integration, and a 2 in 1 unit. Because as is, it looks dreadful. But a Garmin with a camera module in front could look pretty neat, if the battery is in the frame. Niche, but would be awesome. I'd often like to capture a bit of my riding, but if the camera doesn't live on my Garmin, I just won't bother.
amzn.to/4cpIwpP also put it in the description thanks!
A Insta360/Garmin Collab would be amazing! If you could take out your SD card from the camera and already have the Garmin data saved with the video, that would cut down on workload and increase the amount of people using overlays on their videos!
If you could also start recording from you Garmin unit and have data on the Garmin that the Insta360 is still recording/battery levels, that would be next level!
How did you make the link and form for your followers to send you videos?
awesome video. I understand the new camera angle now haha
I've been mounting my x2 the same way for the past few years. A problem thatI ran into though, is that the camera interferes with my head units GPS if the head unit is right above it. So I had to get second mount just for the head unit to sit slightly further away on the stim instead.
What front camera mount is this?
I've got a really good tip for you! I also have kind off the same setup. With a few key differences. Number one. Between the insta 360 and the mount I have a smallrig hawklock. A small and sturdy quick release system that's not to bulky. Have those things on pretty much all my mounts. So it just clicks on wherever.
Also have a 9 centimeter long GoPro extension thing in between so it can be completely out in front. And have a little upward tilt. Works absolutely perfectly.
got some links / details of your exact setup, do you attach the smallrig to a gopro mount?
Pics or links? Sounds like an interesting setup
@@alexbijvoet1 I bought a few of these based on this recommendation but I wasn't impressed, the camera goes on to the mount and a night tight fit but after just a few miles on the gravel bike it ends up loose. I think they are great on the selfie stick and chest mount but not mounted to the bike for me. Might be ok on the road bike or if you have the X4 mounted directly downloads to avoid extra forces on the mount but not aiming out straight with one lens up towards sky and one facing down. I've gone and bought some falcam f22 mounts to see if these can take the weight pointing straight.
@@trouty00 That's a bummer. I do use it with the lens towards the sky. And no problem with any vibration or it coming lose. Do have to admit. The screw on the bottom of the X4 is done up really tight with some Loctite.
And here in the Netherlands the roads are perfect. So pretty much no bumps.
Is there a way you can mount it horizontally to be more aero?
Funny thought, but have you aero tested to see if there is any loss ?
Hi with regard to rattle remover, how will it help? And will it still fit the 360 camera’s bottom hole? Thanks
I don’t own a camera nor do I plan of owning one but I watched it all the way through the end anyways because boy those Enve bar and stem sure looks goooooood! How long is the stem btw?
what’s the computer mount you’re using? i have the hardware for the camera mount, but i don’t have a computer mount with a camera mount on the bottom.
any "out front" mount that has the tabs for a gopro at the bottom. you can find them for cheap on amazon.
ive had the go pro max (360 cam) for couple years and upgrading to the x4 it was light years better. much more responsive. better quality and way longer battery. overall very happy with the x4 and love the way insta360 is going and being innovative.
Thanks for sharing your setup! I especially like that your mounting setup is short and not on a pole out in front. Do you think your mounting solution would hold up on gravel? I worry that rough terrain with the weight of a computer and the camera might snap the mount.
I think it would be fine, I’ve hit potholes on road tires without trouble. Higher volume gravel tires will offer more shock absorption
Me and my Garmin Virb 360 lookin at this.. and trust me, I’ve used the insta360 x2.. the video formatting when you take it off the micro sd card goodluck.. I’m ok with old grainy 4K technology. The VIRB 360 is super compact and waterproof for its age.. now days you can use filters to improve saturation or color.
Agree with the bike mount. I have the official Insta360 bike mount. Had to buy a similar attachment for alternative fittings. I tend to have the join at my handlebars as it's the straightest line
Can you use the garmin virb editing software for it? It was easy to use with overlays back in the virb360 days. 🙂
I am putting it on the top and normally use it as a car cam.
Where to buy that parts? Thanks!
would the camera also work in Mountain bike riding? a guess its a bit of added hard and soft vibrations
Good stuff -- thanks for the tutorial!
Have you tried the insta360 bike headset mount?
Why is there no link to the handlebar mount you are attaching too? Would love a link for that.
hmm... how did you mount it anyway? I have garmin but I dont see a way to attached it below.
You can get 3rd party out front mounts that include a gopro mount underneath and that's what the adapter he has is connecting to.
Would you a link or description of that piece you use to cut out the rattling noise? What is it called?
i linked in the description but basically any "1/4 - 20" nut that can be found for like 10cents at your local hardware store will work.
Do you have more footage?
Not sure if you know you can natively imbed data from garmin natively using the 360 app
Great video.
Have been dealing a lot with the grip issue. Question, once you apply the fiber grip it is like a super glue? can it be moved afterwards?
For the rattle remover, dont you need a male piece to go into the camera?
Thanks
grip acts like sandpaper in the joint, so it bites harder but doesn't adhere the two pieces together. the rattle remover is just a nut which gets added when the camera is removed, and removed when the camera is added
Awesome video. Just got an x4 and used it in HI. Came back with 256G of data that im trying to edit. Had to buy a new laptop with 8G VRAM because my 10 year old laptop wasnt cutting it. Totally agree that editing is hardest part.
I was going to mimic your mounting technique with my chest rig for mountain biking. I was thinking smoother video versus bar mount when off road.
This Fibre you mentioned to keep the camera in place and prevent sliding- any pics or suggestion what exactly to use? Thank you!
I have the park tool one (linked in descrip) but i'm sure any "fiber grip" or "carbon paste" will do (these names are used interchangeably)
For an even better angle, we need to align the camera parallel to the ground or even raise the lenses even higher so that they are level with the Garmin, so we will see more. A small extension of approximately 100mm is sufficient for this. But to prevent it from turning due to impacts, you need to mount the Garmin in such a way that the GoPro mount is not above the Garmin mount, but between it and the mount to the steering wheel. In this case, you can additionally fasten the extension cord to the Garmin mount with electrical tape and then it will never turn, because . will be fastened at 2 points. In this case, the distortion will be less and we will be able to see more of the view from above, more of you, your actions. And in your case, with the camera lowered, we see a lot of the steering tube and the front wheel, this is not interesting, and the aerodynamics suffer in this case. You can see on my channel what this angle looks like ruclips.net/video/NmYCPfjcL2o/видео.htmlsi=U-zJSNe2DmsjCmzK With great respect from Russia
The video with your setup looks fantastic. Have you considered doing a video showing your setup?
When the handle bar becomes the invisible selfie stick...
Do you have a link for the fiber stuff you were talking about?
Just search for carbon fiber assembly compound.
I wonder if you got the Insta360 GPS Preview Remote would you like those overlays or you just like the customs ones from Premier. Plus, this GPS remote gives you that preview so you won't have to always look directly at the camera to make sure it's recording. Im not a cyclist, but I ride my Kaabo Mantis King GT e-scooter and I use some of the same attachments with my X3. I am defiantly buying that thumb screw mount. Great review!!!
Thanks for the Insta X4 mounting tips! How is it on overheating? On the Insta X2's and X3's - it'll tend to overheat if I keep it on longer than 30-35 min while hiking if it's above 80F. Guess the wind cooling helps.
I haven't experienced that, running 8k/24fps even on a hot day it'll go from full battery to empty (~1.5hrs) with no problems.
I have seen that insta360 have released a newer version which seems to allow garmin info ie, route, speed etc on the vid.
I’m not sure if that means such things like power data also.
One thing I’d worry about, especially with the state of uk roads, would the vibrations not loosen the cam of that adapter? I’d be checking it constantly lol
It does include power data from Garmin Connect or Apple. Wahoo data will work for power but the speed file seems to be corrupted as it maxes out at around 10 mph
i really liked having my gopro max (360) on my helmet for crits. debating on getting an x4 but i haven't critted much lately -
Super handy info. Can you export the footage from the instapro software into premier just to add the over lays information?
that's essentially the process 👆
This is easily one the best video you have made. Well done, and thanks for the tips. 👏👏👏 Wondering which type of view do you use for your video? Mega or ultrawide?
i start with ultrawide but adjust based on what's going on in the frame
@@NorCalCycling Do you think you can share the link to the fibre grip you are using?
@@Baz520 linked in the description 👍
Did Jeff get a new house?
Also I used to own a GoPro Max. Concerns were similar - Quality was not up to par. Hated it after a using it for a week and returned it back to amzn .
i mount it on where the head unit is and put the head unit on the steer tube cap with garmin mount which looks better
sorry... a question by the way
What kind of bike computer is this?
trimm lite
Thank you. Now I will buy one
I was just made aware that you are a geologist and a cyclist? Same! Shout out to a brother from another!
why dont you angle it more horizontal rather than angled down? i would think its more aero too. michael garrison uses the same camera but has the camera more horizontal.
I use to mount a Gopro MAX on the same spot, great spot for epic footage. The only issue is that the whole mounting structure and the camera is acting like a lever, constantly fatiguing the narrowest part of the Garmin mount, especially on road bikes cus there is no suspension system on the bike, so the vibration and damping will working on the lever all the time when you are out riding, eventually it will break the mount. Lens repair is 200$+ each.
Fiber paste? Is that the same as carbon paste that we use on our seat posts and handlebars? Great video and great timing as I just was gifted the X4.
yes
I designed and 3d printed my own Insta360 X4 mount; have used it for road and mountain cycling.
Maybe sell it to other cyclists 😊
What size tyres did you end up deciding on running?
depends on the rims i'm using, in this case it's 28mm conti gp5k because they blow up to like 30 and match well with the reserve rims
I have an insta x2 that I never use on the bike because their mount doesn’t fit aero bars, I’ll give this a go, cheers.
Omg thank you for this! I left a comment on the previous video. I need a mounting tutorial for my insta 360 x2 for my crits
saw that! figured you would be pleased that I finally finished this tutorial vid. 👌
are you shooting in 8k or 5k plus?
8k
6:40 well now you have a tiny front spoiler for an added 0.0001lbs of downforce in the corners 🤣
The thing that kills the rattle - where can I find that?
Anything, ANYTHING with that regular photo tripod thread, really.
In his case, he uses an adapter (step-up) to go from the small regular photo thread to the bigger one (there are only those two standards here, don't worry).
Also, I'd go with a quick-out plate. One attaches to the camera permanently, and the other part to the bike-mount permanently. So, never rattling, and also never turning that screw ever again, just click in, click out.
@@BennoSattler any links to what you are describing?
@@BennoSattlerfor someone that is less mechanically inclined, do you happen to have an online example of one of those adapters? Thanks!
Oh, and just to be sure: With any camera attached, there will be no rattle! He just hates the rattle when the bike is in the trainer in the garage w/o camera!
That little thing will fit instead of the cam, never with it!
@@BennoSattler gotcha!!!! Thanks 👍
Apparently youtube eats my comments if I try to post a picture showing my mounting solution, but here's the gist:
So, I use an alternative mounting solution that attaches the x4 to an integrated dual mount, putting the gopro fingers directly under the handlebar. Then I use insta360's bike mount carbon pole (6" long or so) attached to a gopro-to-1/4" tripod adapter to give it some extension. I also swapped out the bolt in the configuration to a torx bolt (M5-0.8 x 16mm) so that I can ratchet down the torque to 8 nm using a torque wrench before each ride. That way I can be reasonably sure it doesn't loosen up too much over time. Lastly, I added a small gasket (like a rubber band) that loops around the carbon pole and the upper garmin mount to provide some additional stability should the screw somehow work its way loose.
We need the double goPro vs 1 insta360 aero test!
omg maybe, an aero test for camera positions 🧐
This is brilliant news
Have you used the mobile app for editing, ever?
yes, but very rarely.
@@NorCalCycling Did you try the feature where you sit in a desk chair (for comfort), and just turn around with phone in hand, to record your every momevent into the 360-footage in real time? You can even zoom in and out, while doing that.
You can then export those 16:9-clips, and edit them later in whatever prog your fancy.
Also, if I may recommend going to the settings of the X4 (general), and put sharpness on "low", also use the flattest color it offers there - much better to work with in post.
Problem with the mobile app is the exports are lower quality (compressed). I use the pc "studio" app to accomplish the same thing, with a mouse to reframe. I screen record in OBS and send everything to my editor to match in premiere at original quality with overlays.
@@NorCalCycling
I see, so you tried it, cool!
Sure, less bits per sec.
I do not see such a big difference after uploading - hence I stick to the chair method 😅
get the quick relaase
and be careful, the camera is too heavy for the base of the cycle computer, it may break due to the rebound.
yes, editing and processing 360 video is the worst part of it. though once you figure it out it's worth the trouble. digging the new camera and race footage.
Again, have you ever tried the real time editing in the mobile app??
I just set a key frame and I export it as a normal video
would be cool if you could upload the raw data and allow people watching to rotate the view while they watched it (with your overlays). :D fun stuff
DUDE i totally agree i wish there was a way youtube could make that happen. It would make the editing on my end way easier and the immersive experience for the viewer way better. one day...
If someone doesnt like rattling noise on the bike he is hyper sensitive? 🤦🏻
Not sure of the full usage of the camera capabilities in that position, buy still one of best videos unsponsored 💸 about insta360
Won't be long before your lens is sand pitted from crud coming off your tire.
Maybe it's just me but these 360 videos look terrible. They're clean but the extreme fisheye lensing just makes it terrible to watch for any duration of time. It's fine for little clips here and there but even then everything is so distorted.
I thought the same thing and never purchased a 360 camera for that reason. Then I purchased the X4 and learned that with such a high resolution, you can reframe to whatever degree or angle that you like. I shoot in "DEWARP" so my video is not that wide to begin with. Then during my reframing, I use zoom if I need to, and to be honest, I find that when I reframe to the same angle that my gopro and ace pro shoots, after I edit it in premiere, there is very little difference in image quality. Because the quality is not so different, the trade off; is that I capture shots that makes my ace pro and my gopro look like they are antiquated cameras!
@@mstuartkendall Interesting. I appreciate the info, I may have to reconsider then.
I never know if this is a sponsorship or not for this brand.
Their marketing got hiccups.
I am on my fifth insta360 product, loved them from the get go. Very fast to reply to email (about 24 to 48hs), sometimes even referring me to a real tech guy (and apologising that this might take some days).
Great apps. Great visual quality.
My numbers here say "not sponsored", as you can clearly see.
I am just a big fan of new kids on the block who get the customer demands and the dang product right. As opposed to big players who have long outlived their reputation but still are making bank off of it....Looking at you GoPrAmateur....
Well it is a paid promotion...
@@DDai-qd8uk Do you know a better or equal 360degree cam at this price point?
I am honestly interested!
it’s all advertising bruh
Yup its sponsored. He says so in the description
That will not last two seconds on a gravel bike or a big hit on a road ride.
Its a 360 camera. Put it on your helmet facing forward
high perspective like that makes the footage look dull, not very dynamic. and what's 'forward' on a 360 camera? 😂
its not insta's fault its premiere's fault, ditch that garbage
does it work better in davinci or something? would love an excuse to get away from premiere, the constant crashing and monthly subscription fees 😅
@@NorCalCycling they both require a 3rd party plugin, that are both pretty similar, but Davinci Resolve has the benefit of having a much more modern interface with fusion built in to it which is a lot like adobe's after effects. This honestly is the magic sauce for making those smooth dronelike insta360 videos and is super powerful for people willing to spend a little time to learn it, additionally it is also pretty easy to do the basics in. I think given that its free there maybe is a lot of value in spending some time with it to see if it works better for you.
@@NorCalCycling Can you expand on what's the issue with Premiere? I have one of Insta's older 360 cameras and just use their native desktop app to reframe and then export into Resolve for editing, etc. It's annoying that it's a two step process but it works nonetheless....
@@cyruse7027how do you add power and gps data in resolve?
I can't watch all your new 360 videos. It's so annoying. The stretched and warped image is really annoying. Your previous POV style was perfect and more immersive too. More immersive than this latest hype of 360 cams. A simple unon-warped front and rear cam is a superior experience. More natural. This 360 image is a downgrade in terms of optics and the artistic aspect of beautiful imagery.
I don't like the fisheye effect at all 🤮
You can change the framing in post. Try "dewarp" and crop in some more. No fisheye effect.
@@BennoSattler
Tried it with the x2. Didn't look right :-/
@@instinct3510 Ah, I see, back in 1891, yeah?
Sorry, had to.
They have come a long way. I suggest evaluating technology at present time, not (sometimes fully justified at the time!) bad memories of earlier iterations ;)
@@BennoSattler 2 years is not sooo long. ;-)
As i understand it the insta360 just captures raw data und the program does the rest. So the difference between the x2 to x4 should only be solution, framerate, hdr and so.
Just tried the current version of the software with my old files -> the strangeness and warping is still there.
So for me personally i just film in the format i want to watch later and hope not too many of my favorite youtubers switch to 360.
@@instinct3510 The X2 is older than 2 years, in terms of development and release date. And I am blown away by the increase in quality of footage AND options the X4 gave me over the X3, just via the display. Also, the mobile app even lets me overdub other sound sources.
But sure, the look might not be for everyone - especially if you are not a fan of the workflow and the relative ease of capturing literally everything around with just one device.
It is always a compromise, isn't it.
I love the GO 3 S that I am testing right now, for its size and flexibility.
But the footage of the Ace Pro is so much better. Sigh.
Oh, and did you set the recording of the footage to "dewarp" back then?
Otherwise, it might still look funny.
This is what the X4 looked like for me in May:
ruclips.net/video/dx-BGh4HVsQ/видео.htmlfeature=shared&t=77