15:06 Honestly, a product sucking is almost more worthy of being reviewed. It warns us consumers to avoid it and pushes manufacturers to improve their products.
I completely agree but they are less easy to monetize… companies don’t like paying for a place to certifies them as “dog shit” and consumers don’t pay those certification companies to review products they don’t want to buy.
I think it depends on the price point and how bad it sucks. Does a $20 pair of noise canceling headphones suck? Probably and doesn’t need to be reported. Does a $300 pair suck? That should be reported.
I mean, advanced tech reviews for TVs and speakers have existed since forever. The only difference here is that it's all going to be combined into one place. And the LTT branding, I suppose.
@@Kmodoe that's what I was thinking too! Anything that holds these companies accountable and benefits all of us as consumers is a positive for the industry. It'll force these brands to make quality gear and that naturally increases the competition with all of these brands, once again, benefiting us...
@Trippy SZN its not that the information isnt there, its mostly so ltt themselves can expand what their content can offer. Atleast from what i can tell.
@@jaidenmcrae5332 Plus it's undeniable that LTT has more reach with the general public, they're significantly more mainstream. Many people wouldn't even know where to begin looking for this information, so LMG making it more accessible can only be a good thing.
I really hope this pays off for Linus, in the literal sense. Because running a fully fledged RnD facility is hella expensive, not to mention that he has to cover a lot more product categories than a more typical lab does.
so its exactly what the manufacturer puts on the box, because the manufacturer already spent the same R&D. actually they spent MORE than linus, and have better equipment than linus and more people than linus, pretty much this has no purpose in the long run because its the same exact testing done by the original manufacturer, so why not stick to regular reviews and ACTUAL user reviews. not numbers and stuff, manufacturers already give us numbers.
@@russiancommy only when original manufacturer is being truthful like they advertise with pics captured by dslr how much of what they say is actually true??
@@russiancommy Because validation is incredibly important. See Apple straight up lying on benchmarks. And Nvidia and AMD stretching the truth on benchmarks. Look at the Sennheiser HD 650, from a very reputable and respected brand and yet they list two different frequency response numbers on the product page. 10 Hz - 41,000 Hz and 12 - 41,000 Hz. Also frequency response should be represented as a graph with the frequency compared to the dB, nowhere to be seen from Sennheiser. Manufacturers cannot be trusted and for consumers to just blindly accept everything their told by manufacturers would just be stupid. This is an incredibly important step for Linus Tech Tips. They already do a lot of work similar to this but with less automation, less standardization, no published testing methodology, worse tools. This brings more in-line with companies like Gamers Nexus and Rtings, the second of which is a company that exists solely for testing and validation and yet they continue to run.
@@russiancommy Manufacturers lie all the time. You should go watch the monitor testing on Hardware Unboxed for a slew of examples on this, they almost universally lie on response time (claim 1ms, best case is 2ms with average of 5ms), have cheats where they detect a benchmark is being run and fudge the output (something the huge vehicle manufacturer Volvo did on emissions tests as well, it's in every industry), not to mention all the certifications which are so misleading as to be useless like HDR 400 & HDMI 2.1
Man, I've been watching LTT since way back when and it's still amazes me how far LMG has come. I remember when it was just little Linus doin' his reviews on a folding leg desk. Also holy shit I never realized how much bass I was losing due to my glasses till just now I did a little test and man I cannot unnotice it. I need contacts.
Linus: "Surely every keyboard is fast enough?" Antoine: "Are they?" Deft and effortless justification of 'Why did we spend all this money on the lab?' by Antoine there. Must respect.
This whole LTT labs thing seemed kinda overkill to me at first, spending so much money just to double check specifications that are already out there, but I think I'm starting to get why the industry needs a trusted 3rd party with the means to collect and present every possible data point in an unbiased way. This is really really exciting, and I can totally envision LTT Labs being the pretty much the last word on every consumer hardware review in a couple years. I mean, just making the data public alone will be a game changer.
I thought so too. But then again, if you watch their HDMI testing video (which I feel like was a preview for what was to come), you see that all HDMI are NOT created the same despite "Industry specifications". I agree with you 100%. LTT labs will be the first place to go before clicking "Add to cart". Super cool.
When it comes to headphones and IEMs it's the third parties like Crinacle who perform the majority of public frequency response measurements. Basically it's thanks to his years of work measuring and reviewing audio gear that manufacturers now collab with him despite him technically not being an audio engineer. LTT audio lab is going to be a second large source of public FR measurements as well as a good source of other important data as mentioned. I'd recommend checking them both whenever you are considering buying audio gear, and checking Crimacle's two YT channels for more information about what are FR curves and how they are measured.
@@willfarmer7351 last place to go usually has a negative meaning XD. But yeah, I hope that LTT can also get the community to give input as well. Mechanical, isolated testing is good and all, but a bit of human testing here and there would fill in some gaps in testing (things you can't test with just machines alone like different body builds or position of the body contributing to varying force applied to an object.) Of course the whole point of the lab is to "Test it first" for the consumers, but I'm certain there will be people who are MORE than willing to join in on the prospect of contributing to something good. Maybe even great.
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Holy crap, Linus. I'm a hardware guy who got started in electronics in the 70s, & this looks like a seriously fun project to be a part of. NGL, I wish I was 20 years younger so I could hit you up to be part of it.
It’s insane to see that this channel that I’ve been watching since it was in a house however many years ago is now building massive lab spaces in two different warehouses. Just as good as it’s always been, can’t get enough of the content. Well done guys!
I LOVE how much LTT Labs and GamersNexus are going HARD into serious testing - using the SAME exact testing methodologies as the companies whose products they are testing - so that their results will be, as Steve said, "legally defensible".
@@Powerman293 It's like the good ole days of Anandtech all over again - back when reviewers and tech mags had some SERIOUS testing abilities and the reputation to go with it.
@@Powerman293 i live for their monitor content. Especially in the new monitor unboxed channel. And for gaming related benchmark also I think Hardware Unboxed has some pretty great comparisons.
@@someoneintheinternet7443 yeah they're really the go-to for monitors. Kinda sad that Hardware Canucks fell off the curve a bit, their case reviews were pretty cool
The one disappointing this is no discussion of statistics/confidence in ranking or evaluating the products, which is missing from almost all evals in general within this space. For example, using CV to count artifacts should include the model's posterior variance when reporting numbers.
I can see an entire series of "how to" videos with Sam: - improving your headphones (symptoms & causes) - an entire line of projects on creating or upgrading OEM car audio systems - best bookshelf or desk speaker setups - streaming, Zoom, or voiceover configs (software and hardware) for common consumer microphones etc..
I never thought of them stepping into car audio to that degree. That would be very interesting to see. There’s some good channels that do this but with the focus around non bias testing they could show what kind of power you REALLY need for certain speakers and stuff along those lines.
Holy hell this noise cancelling thing makes so much sense. When I (wearing glasses) turn on NC with my Teufel Real Blues I always felt like I get more bass and was never sure why. Lol, this is why I'm subscribed I guess
As someone who wears glasses constantly, Sam's headphones lesson noise cancelling was a bit eye opening. I had no idea it could actually prevent that much of a loss in dB.
Yeah, that's the main reason I don't walk around with glasses when listening to music. Sure, I can't read signs from afar but hey, uncompromised sound without burning a hole in my wallet.
I can't focus on anything past a few inches so I've never experienced headphones without glasses. This kinda explains why my equalizer always ended up cranked up on the low end.
@@itainteasy For the beanie it dropped like 14db, which you can definitely hear, and even a few db drop in bass could really matter to someone in the music industry. Also doing that one test isn't that guys full time job, it's one of many tests that he's going to be running through to give us objective information about how different headphones perform
@@kevinwells9751 you really need a refresher course on sequence of events. OP literally wrote he couldn't hear the difference. Sure there may be in house production teams doing web content that utilize closed back headphones. In the music industry, these are used for monitoring, headphones may be used for reference but not professional closed back monitoring headphones. again, please seek a refresher course on sequence of events, check the video title, and see if you can pick up on the shared use of sarcasm.
This is one of the reasons I like Linus, he's putting all his money into something not many other channels would bother with, rather than getting a flash car.
He has kinda convinced me that I'd like a plug in hybrid car, with everything he said on Wan show, but it'll be a good while until i could afford something like that.
@@nvme1n1 meh, only phev worth a damn are from bmw and porsche. There’s increased complexity and you are 100% paying more for it, in more ways than just monetarily. Cheap ev’s are far superior to cheap phev’s. I mean do you want 100% of your money to go to one powertrain or 50% each to two half assed powertrains.
If the lab helps me shave off any of the exhausting "homework" I do to buy products these days, I'd be pumped. Even knowing tech better than most, actually locking in a product and buying is such a chore, especially when you throw Amazon and their shitty review system into the mix.
@@shyguy4617 yeah headphones and audio is something that in my opinion, you have to do on your own. Every ear canal is different, every ear drum is different, everyone is different.
@@nicksrandomness2774 Harmon target 2018 basically states that the few differences is that 25%, of people prefer more base and or tremble, also this is why over ears are trash cuz they aren't tuned for your skull so you should just get iems which will sound extremely similar to everyone
totally humble beginnings with all the passion in the world . But i feel like he overshot with the labs , to much money is invested before any return .
This is going to be game changing for the entire industry! (Someday I could even see the final video reviews being auto-generated in Unreal with CG Linus and other characters, then auto uploaded to RUclips)
Gotta say, I only finished the audio section of the video so far, but man. I have high hopes for this Lab thing. Already learned something super useful as someone who wears glasses and usually runs ANC off.
Fawkes going "NO" in the background when Linus describes Fallout guy as first full-time software engineer at 10:48 is precisely why people stick around not only for the tech tips.
16:48 oh god, competent, standardized testing of home theater stuff (especially stuff that's not top end) is so desperately lacking. I get more hyped for labs every day!
Hi Linus, I work with Fanuc robots daily. Here's my recommendations for a keyboard robot or otherwise: For a keyboard specific robot - I would recommend a Fanuc SCARA or Delta series robot (maybe $30,000-$50,000, not super sure). Extremely fast but must be caged off for technically safe operation. For a general 6-axis robot - I would recommend the time-proven LR Mate series (I think about $40,000). Also a speedy robot, but is a bit more flexible when it comes to applications. It also must be caged off for technically safe operation. For a general 6-axis cobot (human friendly) - I would recommend the CR/CRX series (also not sure but I'd guess $50,000-$60,000). These are "maintenance free" (sounds like "lifetime" motor oil to me but I could be wrong (oh yeah high-performance robots need maintenance just so you know)), slower, but much safer robots. As soon as they detect resistance, they will stop movement immediately. From my experience, companies with the CR/CRX series robots claim that they don't hold up over time. You can repair and service all but the CRX robots listed. So for example, once you're done or ready to replace your robot, you can probably sell for 20%-40% of their original value depending on condition (working in your environment, likely very good condition). I'm neither sponsored nor employed by Fanuc, but I wouldn't complain if they were tryna
And of course, if you do end up selling the robots, sell them to a school, we really need them. As nice as it is to have all the Fanuc LR Mates that we have, and the small ABB (not sure what model) even with an educational discount, these robots cost thousands. I don't know why you would sell a robot in industry though. Unless the factory is being repurposed the equipment should hold up fine, and even if the factory is repurposed, robots are flexible automation. If anyone can give me some pointers as to why producer would sell their robots let me know, I'm very curious.
I'm excited for this. But more importantly, I hope companies know that the many many years of BS on their consumers is about to be put to the test. Honest brands will rise up, dishonest ones will lose traction. So that makes LTT Labs the heroes we need, though we don't deserve. T-T
I would love to see a labs expert on smart home-tech & integration! The home/moving episodes with Jake and Linus are a personal highlight, and give me plenty of ideas for home mods and purchases (albeit on a MUCH smaller scale!!).
It couls be testes in segments like quarter A of lab gets homekit, the other quarter gets philips hue products, ect. The feedback from the staff could be further investigated if a huge bug is found.
12:02, this is why Linus is a great boss - because he's secured great employees. I'm so glad to see the LTT team be this awesome, would've never expected this ten years ago. CEO: Hey can you do this? Worker Bee: We could, but it's easier to do it this way CEO: Oh, makes sense.
@@aidancommenting he's still in the probation period, so LTT has ran for years on a policy of no screen time until probation is finished, due to the whole concept that they might not complete the probation. So since they wanted to make this video about the cool stuff even though probation wasn't done, masks
@@aidancommenting I think Canada has employment rules for newly hired employees. They are hired on probation and can be fired a lot easier a period of time. Once they are past probation employees have a lot more rights against being fired.
To add, you can clearly see that they aren’t only extremely skilled, but they love what they are doing as well. You can’t have a better combination of traits when you are going for peek results.
It's not true, if they were so good they had a beautiful career and be up there with nice salary not starting at a youtube video production company lol.First they need to prove their worth.
It’s already this way now but even more so in the future, if I ever want to buy anything, I come to your channel first. LTT is the BEST resource for this and I’m excited to see what you guys do!
@@subjekt5577 Optimal Tech & Hardware Unboxed can go in there for many consumer reviews gaming centered as well. Edit: I guess Bitwit and Paul are nice as well, they just don't nerd out as much and have a more chill feel than the other two I mentioned. Can't beat Optimal Tech's lighting though.
13:50 I did this in the early 2000's when I had my own computer company. I had my friend Colin make my office building (and the future office building) with the Source engine. This way we could load up counter-strike source and walk through the office building. It was so cool and he was able to basically invent a working elevator for the source engine.
I'm not even mad at all the ads and sponsors at this point Linus is really changing the game when it comes to hardware validation!!! I'm excited for the future of this company!
Major props for Linus’s company. Keep going and pushing ahead. You guys are so powerful now that you could effectively replace the old boomer review site: CNET which was a bunch of people that tiptoed around reviews rather than being truly honest.
For the next “LTT tour” if would be cool if Antoine/team mapped out the entire facility. For various points in the tour it could link to relevant videos or articles about that - dish based network for two buildings is huge for those that can’t run cables across.
I wish I lived near your offices so I could apply for a job. This is awesome linus! Without videos like this, I don't think people would understand the depth you guys go to test out products.
This video was amazing, this is the heaven I was imagining for years *tears*. I'm so proud of you guys. I cannot wait to see all the amazing outputs from the Lab.
12:15 That is such a complex problem, it blows my mind Linus wants his 2 person software development team to create a program that could detect artifacts in a video game. Maybe it's to detect bad overclocking which would be more noticeable than say TAA ghosting in TAA reconstruction techniques like FSR2.0, TAA Upscale, UE5 Upscaler or DLSS ghosting or low sample Ray Tracing de-noising ghosting or any other low sample problems with modern rendering techniques.
To be honest with benchmarks like tomb raider, you have an expected video output for each resolution and settings. You can earmark any artifacts that deviate from the norm. As well as set specific screen regions and times to capture results for say TAA/DLSS that could be used as side by side B-roll for the video. Just a lot of process software overhead needed
@@braisedtoast9002there's no way they're just going with "wouldn't it be cool"s for this. If they're aiming for it then they likely already talked about the challenges of doing so with other professionals.
it's exciting seeing someone finally take the initiative and not relying on bogus info put out by the manufacturer to give people the info they need to make the right purchase for them. it's info given by the consumer for the consumer and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would appreciate that and I'm one of them and that's all thanks to you and you're incredible team linus.
I LOVE these videos where you go sort of “behind the scenes” of your multiple different workings. Such an exciting adventure arriving here from the old NCIX days like a decade ago. Keep up the good work 👍
I think it's super cool that you guys are creating this 3rd party, independent testing site. Maybe one day we'll see an LTT approved sticker on some products. I'm glad that someone's looking out for the consumers. I do think that you should have some running top 5's or top 10's on a website to help when we need to buy stuff, or if it already exists, point us there!
For Linus to be taking on two very expensive and very ambitious projects (this and the new house) at once, and still just being as engaging, self-deprecating and seemingly all round good boss is a real testament to him
let's be honest here, the new house is peanuts compared to the lab. I doubt that the house costs accumulate to more than 1 million (especially if you deduct the amount they get from making videos about it), while the lab is in the tens of millions for the location alone (iirc). Not that the house is trivial, but it's a whole other scale compared to the lab.
Apparently Linus forgot why he was spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a testing lab. Linus: What's the point of this? Surely every keyboard is fast enough. Antoine: Are they? Linus: ... Fair enough
I mean I think he remembered but was playing dumb for the script. It's impressive to see the detail they're going to that I'm not even sure consumer reports goes to. Much less other channels on here having the funding to do the same thing 😂
For the keycap presser, look into some of the mechanical design that went into the Voron 2.4R2 3D printer, I built one at my workplace recently and the accuracy and speed of the thing is awesome and super reliable.
when you built your reputation based on facts and not BS marketing, people will trust your reviews more specially when you have the data to back up your reviews.
Seeing stuff like this makes me happy, sure LTT is producing more videos i'm not interested in..but this brings it to a new level. I'm sure Gamersnexus would approve. I just hope all of us can still see the data without having to pay a ridiculous fee.
Have you considered getting someone for game hardware, such as controllers or arcade sticks? That feels like a blindspot in your coverage that, while not necessarily cutting-edge, could be a factor for reliability during gameplay when considering things like input delay, noise levels, & durability.
That's fair but honestly I've had a few different keyboards and it I've never killed one, it just comes down to me wanting something new and shiny and I write personal training and coaching programs as well as a lot of gaming
I would expect the keyboard/mice guy, or someone in the same role, to handle that down the line, once they're done with that first category, especially since controllers are a much smaller market (i.e. most people are either using first-party controllers on their consoles, or xbox/ps5 on pc)
Its amazing to see HOW MUCH Linus is digging into all of this. The new people, the equipment and all of the future plans. Im excited to see what this will be in like 2-3 years from now.
@@brakogar Yeah the hardsubs were a bit diminuitive towards Antoine, tbh. RUclips has supported softsubs for years. Folks who need them, can turn them on.
If there's space in the, let's face it, probably already overstacked future schedule of Labs, considering the sheer scope of ambition... Yeah, i wouldn't mind seeing him in future videos with more test results to show! :)
I would love to see the data be put into some sort of public database, then developers can create extensions and other tools that would show the product data/quality (& maybe embed a video) from a source we all trust while we browse on sites like Amazon, Newegg, etc.
It's so cool to see the team at LMG growing at the rate that it is! I'd literally give anything to join a group of guys like this, because anything Linus touches becomes gold. The guy probably never sleeps and I'm sure he's tough to work for, at times, but it's only because he knows what it takes to achieve success, obviously. Hey Linus, if you are looking for any security guards for the lab and HQ building, I'm an Army Infantry Veteran and I'd love to move to Canada! Haha, only kidding, but I will be checking out the positions you all post regularly.
Can I just say that the sounds that the keyboard wear tester makes are very, very satisfying? That clacking pattern, very nice. (LTT ASMR Lab stream when?)
Linus, I can sincerely say as an engineering and tech enthusiast - that your channel is (if it already isn't) soon to be the absolute undeniable BEST tech channel on youtube or any other site thereof. This is because of you and your team's enthusiasm to entertainment, truth, and the pursuit of meeting ACTUAL consumer knowledge demands. YOU AND THE REST OF LMG ARE GENIUSES AND WE LOVE YOU!!!!
Funny, I've made that design for a keyboard test some 5 years ago when working for a keyboard manufacturer... And you can make some other measurements by bypassing the switch entirely, and using a raspberry pi to get timestamps between the time of trigger and usb message. Good ole' times.
As much shit as people might give to Linus and Co for their ads and practices, you've got to give them props. They pay competitive wages enough to retain 80-something employees. They're supporting 80 some families (as honestly it seems like most of his employees have kids). It's not just some RUclipsr money grabbing. He's doing good with that money, in a traditional economic way. He's not spending millions of company money on buying back stocks, that money is going back into his company and giving his employees a decent wage. It's better you can say about almost literally any public company these days
@@calvinbunker8237 I don't know if we do but they did talk about their retention rate being quite high at one point. Now, I also don't know if anyone has verified that or if all we got is just "Dude, trust me." from Linus but if they didn't pay their employees well, I feel like there'd a) be more employees quitting and b) we'd find out somehow at some point. Like, there's enough people who are ready to cancel a big RUclips channel like LTT over something like this.
@@calvinbunker8237 Well, we just went through a massive shift in employment, with people quitting and taking up better jobs during the pandemic, and add to that that the tech sector has traditionally been very competitive, and moving to another company is almost always better than waiting for a raise in that sector...the fact that we can recognise so many names when Linus does his tours, and know they've been around forever, speaks volumes. That's in addition to little things that Linus does for his employees on company dollars, like Summer of Fun, which is mind blowingly cool for a company to be doing, from my perspective with the companies I've worked for.
@Noel Pytlik No, but it's an example of how your average company wastes money. I'm not shouting absolute causation here, but there's definitely a corellation between when Ronald Reagan's government re-legalised stock buybacks (which when you think about it, is literally insider trading. A company can do a massive stock buyback just before they release a new product or what have you that they know is going to rise their stock price, and they can profit from it. That's literally insider trading) and the wage gap that's been steadily growing since then. The last company I worked for gave their employees at top wage (me) a 0.09% raise (while cutting hours) after two years of nothing during a period of massive inflation and after jacking their prices up significantly over that time period. They then spent $300m on stock buybacks to inflate their stock price. Frankly, that's absolutely normal in the business sphere these days and it's disgusting tbh.
As someone that's gotten truly frustrated with fake reviews, bad reviews, and just flying blind, I am so excited to see this come to fruition. It's gotten so much harder to separate the wheat from the chaff. If this opens up for a subscriber level when it releases, I will be among your first subscribers. I want to see you succeed.
The level they’re going with this really makes it feel like RND almost wonder if in a generation or two ltt will be a tech giant with premium products all around
I would like to hand in an idea for the abrasion key tester: introduce also some lateral force to the "fingers". Not much but a few millimeters. Else I am hyped for the lab!
Yep. Not only could you add rotation to the unit itself, you could add a degree of freedom to the individual actuators and tell it to do any realistic finger movement you wanted. For reference, see the 3D printer files that smoothly move the arm along the Z axis during the printing of each layer.
Coming from someone who is doing a lot of R&D mechanical testing at my current work (completely different industry, but similar principals), it's really exciting to see you and your platform bring this stuff to the table for consumer electronics testing. Also will give a lot of your viewers some exposure to this sort of work and inspire the next generation of engineers!
Nah, they're just gonna make the first iteration of their products good, rake in the good reviews then silently make another iteration with cheaper lower quality parts. So many companies in so many different industries have done this that at this point the better question is rather to know which ones haven't...
@@GeneralKenobi69420 So then LTT Labs can test that too. Do the initial RTX3070 test results still match up with that of another identical one purchased today?
So far I have loved the first 5 minutes of this video: "degradation of bass by head apparel and ANC based mitigation" sounds like a section sub heading in the discussion part of a paper and reflects novel research output....incredible and love it. If LTT labs is going to be about such new, sometimes hitherto unseen tech insights, I would love LTT even more. Great initiative.
Can't wait for the results from Antoine's work. Particularly interested in the longevity of mice switches when they are kept pressed as opposed to clicked rapidly.
@@MsSgent Agreed, years of Logitech mice getting the random double clicks made me switch to corsair, using an M65 for a year or two and it's still going strong
@@trippin7464 Odd, i've only ever had 3 mice in about 20 years of gaming. The mx510,518 and currently the g502. Horse's for courses though, everyone's experience is going to be different. I can't speak as to corsair, but i've watched my younger brother chew through razer products, about 6 month's to a year for him.
@@animefreak5757 for me, ive also watched my cousin destroy his kraken headphone in just less than a year and bought a new one also destroyed in less than a year lol. the mic isnt functioning, the headphone broke into pieces, the earcups are swelling like its been 20 years of usage.
this is shaping to be something really incredible. I wasn't sure, when you first mentioned all this, but now that it's all coming together, it kinda shows your genius
its always so much fun to see people talk about or work on things they are excited about . cant wait to see what other things the lab people get up to !
Hey guys I would highly recommend some Teknic integrated servos in place of those stepper motors specifically because of a jerk limiting feature they call "g-stop". With this method of jerk limited you can essentially eliminate overshoot and oscillations on point to point movements. This would allow the keystroke tester to operate at much faster speeds without negatively impacting the readings on the sensitive load cell.
The nerd in me (and well I do this for my job) is picturing how to create documents that list out every spec for xyz type of product, and then when something new comes in, that gets filled out with specs from that product, and then a column for the actual results from each test, and if the product meets its own spec sheet or not.
This would be amazing if it got to the point of a LTT Score / Rating that every single product/ website would put on as a badge. Sort of like rotten tomatoes on movies. That is really what we need In tech, a solid 3rd party that reports and documents every aspect of a product, to enough detail that it can be reliable and without cost or brand bias.
Rotten tomatoes is bought and paid for, and extremely politically biased. A terrible terrible measure for wether a movie is good or not. Very common to see 100% audience score 10% critic score, or 0% audience score 100% critic score
You probably want to checkout the Phoronix Test Suite it does a lot of automated testing for a variety of applications including games. Saves from rewriting the wheel.
I just hope LTT keeps this transparency in the future for all product reviews. Since the HDMI cable testing video i been looking forward to whats next to come.
i very much look forward to this. hopefully you keep a blog or something on LTT so we can see results and compare them without having to go into videos and see comparisons every time. I will watch a video on a product im interested in, but want to be able to see the data without having to watch a video.
It’s so rare to actually be able to watch a company go from startup to massively successful and become an industry changer. Sure, we have seen companies start and grow in our lifetime… but to actually see it from the inside.
Right? I really like how Linus and LMG is so transparent on its inner workings, decision making and mission/vision. It gives some great insight in how the company works as a whole and WHY it works so well as a whole.
You’re doing what every product reviewer wishes they could do which is amazing. You’re going to be THE end all be all when it comes to unbiased reviews of the items that quality focused users will undoubtedly seek out
Those key switch tests do look neat, having force curves and maybe quantitative stem wobble measurements for every custom switch out there would be awesome! If you could make them for every switch out there that is. There is definitely a lot of subjectivity when it comes to switches though, so reviews like those by thereminggoat are still going to be super helpful
I mean switch Force graphs by HaaTa were pretty much the standard in the Mech community for the longest time until he kinda stopped making them (though there;s already thousands luckily) but just like the classic issue- good luck to Linus and team to test all of the thousands of switches considering hundreds took months for HaaTa not to mention the differences between readings between different guys creating some arguments
I'm so excited for the education all LTT viewers are going to receive from this! The headphone bass quality loss alone is a big thing for the general person to be aware of if they want to take their music listening seriously. So excited to see what things manufacturer's may have hidden from consumers due to sub par quality or testing. Keep going LTT!
The “stabilization” of a mechanical keyswitch (excluding space bar, shifts/enter/backspace that have actual stabilizers) is just how tight the tolerance is between the stem of the switch and the house. That dictates the “stabilization” of a mechanical switch, whether is wobbles north/south or west/east. Almost all prebuilt mechanical keyboards will be using a cheaper switch no matter how much marketing they throw at it and almost all outside of heavily overpriced prebuilts will have some wobble. Hot swap can contribute a little as well as the who switch itself could potentially shift slightly. For anyone wanting premium keyboards just invest some time into learning about custom keyboards and get a Tofu build, a KBD67Lite or something along those lines. You’ll build a keyboard more tailored to your preferences, it’ll be much higher quality and you made a thing which is cool.
In all honesty we have seen atleast 6 guys in LTT team who are really into custom mechs so hopefully they eventually shift from the whole corporate mainstream keeb stuff to the more custom or niche stuff but I am sure it'll take time
Ohh man, just loved the video the future of ltt, the day that the first video is produced with the lab involved would be a day to remember because it will change how we buy stuff is mind blowing what a chart can help you to decide, the base drop by using a pair of glasses was wild
DevOps is very tough. It‘s basically demanding from the teams to be an expert on 3/5 topics and be proficient in the rest. So only guys who can handle a bunch of topics at ones are more likely to succeed. I am an devops in a double role as architect and engineer. It‘s one of the most versatile roles. One day you are doing basic network automation the other you are doing deep level linux debugging and then some cloud infra / k8s stuff. And in addition every 2 years tools will change based on their efficiency and portability. So basically it’s the dream for people who love to learn and most importantly are passionate about it.
@@shabinshan5897 yeah true. I just like Network Automation and stick with it haha. I'm also hoping to transition into Technical Writing someday so I'm not looking to be a programmer all my life. Let's see.
As also a network engineer, I really feel like network automation, especially configuration, can only be done in very strict limits. If you let an autoconfig run, you'll have a bunch of devices with settings that are barely suited for the install environment. If you suddenly change a hardware model, you might get failed results due to a syntax of function change. If you get another brand's device, it might fail outright. A lot of configuration almost has to be done by hand, but then if you get like 802.1x to work, it'll be much easier to operate.
Can’t wait for the labs content, will definitely be nice to have a place to go to when searching for reliable information on consumer electronics. Similar to what rtings.com has done for TV’s and some other content consumption electronics
THIS IS SO AWESOME, The little audio testing part already got me SO HYPED for labs! Keep up the amazing work, this is the information we need as consumers
Here for the headphone testing. Glad you guys went with the 5128. We need more measurments from that rig. I'm using a IEC711 and pinna, as most are, but it's time for the industry to move to the more accurate 5128
As an ex-quality engineer, this strokes my analytical sphincter pleasure area...to completion :D In all seriousness though, this initiative is the sort of move most corporations should be aspiring to emulate. As for robot arms, Kuka are pretty much the leader in industrial robotic integration, although I don't know if they make an arm small enough for your requirements.
I love the LTT Labs, it's really a even more advanced testing of your original videos. Which were on their own very in depth often. You can measure so much and having that information available makes it easier to make a choice while shopping for many things. For some products you need to experience them yourselve because you don't know what you like still this will help comparing when you have some known products. KEEP GOING!!!
15:06 Honestly, a product sucking is almost more worthy of being reviewed. It warns us consumers to avoid it and pushes manufacturers to improve their products.
I completely agree but they are less easy to monetize… companies don’t like paying for a place to certifies them as “dog shit” and consumers don’t pay those certification companies to review products they don’t want to buy.
I was thinking maybe they can make weekly/monthly videos that are basically compilations of shit products and summaries of why they suck
I think it depends on the price point and how bad it sucks. Does a $20 pair of noise canceling headphones suck? Probably and doesn’t need to be reported. Does a $300 pair suck? That should be reported.
Na it's to stop shady company's to stop being shady and giving people useless products.
I think what they meant is it might not be made into a video, but the results would definitely be logged and reported in “the database”
i can't lie, having a testing centre will make buying products a lot easier for end consumers. this is exciting.
Also put pressure on companies to actually hold up too their numbers they post
I mean, advanced tech reviews for TVs and speakers have existed since forever. The only difference here is that it's all going to be combined into one place. And the LTT branding, I suppose.
@@Kmodoe that's what I was thinking too! Anything that holds these companies accountable and benefits all of us as consumers is a positive for the industry. It'll force these brands to make quality gear and that naturally increases the competition with all of these brands, once again, benefiting us...
@Trippy SZN its not that the information isnt there, its mostly so ltt themselves can expand what their content can offer. Atleast from what i can tell.
@@jaidenmcrae5332 Plus it's undeniable that LTT has more reach with the general public, they're significantly more mainstream. Many people wouldn't even know where to begin looking for this information, so LMG making it more accessible can only be a good thing.
I really hope this pays off for Linus, in the literal sense. Because running a fully fledged RnD facility is hella expensive, not to mention that he has to cover a lot more product categories than a more typical lab does.
so its exactly what the manufacturer puts on the box, because the manufacturer already spent the same R&D. actually they spent MORE than linus, and have better equipment than linus and more people than linus, pretty much this has no purpose in the long run because its the same exact testing done by the original manufacturer, so why not stick to regular reviews and ACTUAL user reviews. not numbers and stuff, manufacturers already give us numbers.
@@folfyblue ey someone give this man a like or something, he just here for some attention.
@@russiancommy only when original manufacturer is being truthful
like they advertise with pics captured by dslr
how much of what they say is actually true??
@@russiancommy Because validation is incredibly important. See Apple straight up lying on benchmarks. And Nvidia and AMD stretching the truth on benchmarks. Look at the Sennheiser HD 650, from a very reputable and respected brand and yet they list two different frequency response numbers on the product page. 10 Hz - 41,000 Hz and 12 - 41,000 Hz. Also frequency response should be represented as a graph with the frequency compared to the dB, nowhere to be seen from Sennheiser.
Manufacturers cannot be trusted and for consumers to just blindly accept everything their told by manufacturers would just be stupid.
This is an incredibly important step for Linus Tech Tips. They already do a lot of work similar to this but with less automation, less standardization, no published testing methodology, worse tools. This brings more in-line with companies like Gamers Nexus and Rtings, the second of which is a company that exists solely for testing and validation and yet they continue to run.
@@russiancommy Manufacturers lie all the time. You should go watch the monitor testing on Hardware Unboxed for a slew of examples on this, they almost universally lie on response time (claim 1ms, best case is 2ms with average of 5ms), have cheats where they detect a benchmark is being run and fudge the output (something the huge vehicle manufacturer Volvo did on emissions tests as well, it's in every industry), not to mention all the certifications which are so misleading as to be useless like HDR 400 & HDMI 2.1
Man, I've been watching LTT since way back when and it's still amazes me how far LMG has come. I remember when it was just little Linus doin' his reviews on a folding leg desk. Also holy shit I never realized how much bass I was losing due to my glasses till just now I did a little test and man I cannot unnotice it. I need contacts.
I think its all because of something you neither can buy nor demand - trustability.
i think open back headphones don't have this problem, right? Atleast not that much
@@lollilol my headphones are closed back, nice wooden cups on them
I really want LTT Labs to work, this whole project looks promising!
Hope so too. I have suffering watching all the adds so they get better stats 😂
I think a lot of us want this to be a success
@@Sum_Guy It would be fabulous :)
u better start buying hats then
@@fazeobama8872 I'm more of a mousepad type of guy
Linus: "Surely every keyboard is fast enough?"
Antoine: "Are they?"
Deft and effortless justification of 'Why did we spend all this money on the lab?' by Antoine there. Must respect.
I bust a gut when he said that... I was like "Antoine knows what's up"
Its called job security. Antoine clearly proved that he's in it for the long run.
Hahaha love it, cut out everything we take for granted. Test all the things
My question is why do we spend so much money on stuff that they find so easy and cheap to manufacture
@@DetroitTintStudio an engineers way of life...
This whole LTT labs thing seemed kinda overkill to me at first, spending so much money just to double check specifications that are already out there, but I think I'm starting to get why the industry needs a trusted 3rd party with the means to collect and present every possible data point in an unbiased way. This is really really exciting, and I can totally envision LTT Labs being the pretty much the last word on every consumer hardware review in a couple years. I mean, just making the data public alone will be a game changer.
I thought so too. But then again, if you watch their HDMI testing video (which I feel like was a preview for what was to come), you see that all HDMI are NOT created the same despite "Industry specifications". I agree with you 100%. LTT labs will be the first place to go before clicking "Add to cart". Super cool.
When it comes to headphones and IEMs it's the third parties like Crinacle who perform the majority of public frequency response measurements. Basically it's thanks to his years of work measuring and reviewing audio gear that manufacturers now collab with him despite him technically not being an audio engineer. LTT audio lab is going to be a second large source of public FR measurements as well as a good source of other important data as mentioned. I'd recommend checking them both whenever you are considering buying audio gear, and checking Crimacle's two YT channels for more information about what are FR curves and how they are measured.
@@willfarmer7351 last place to go usually has a negative meaning XD. But yeah, I hope that LTT can also get the community to give input as well. Mechanical, isolated testing is good and all, but a bit of human testing here and there would fill in some gaps in testing (things you can't test with just machines alone like different body builds or position of the body contributing to varying force applied to an object.) Of course the whole point of the lab is to "Test it first" for the consumers, but I'm certain there will be people who are MORE than willing to join in on the prospect of contributing to something good. Maybe even great.
@@jpf1978 Linus does have certain history and values that make bias less likely.
many companies should be worried when this lab is in service.
Linus: "If any robot manufacturers wanna reach out…"
50 years later: "Hello and, again, welcome to the Linus Tech Tips computer-aided enrichment center."
Sound like some aperture science type stuff
@@vinaychekuri5043 that’s because it is
Does that make Linus Cave Johnson and by extension would that make Yvonne Glados/Caroline?
@@theninjamaster67 Yvonne = GlaDOS confirmed
@@crazycorg1
Linus Tech Tips--we do what we must because we can
For the good of all of us
Except for Colton (he's canned)
But there's no use crying over every bad take
You just keep on clickbaiting about Raptor Lake
And the videos gets done
For the trolls to comment on
For the people who are still...
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I’m calling it now. LTT labs is going to end up leading to a “LTT certified” designation for manufacturers to reach.
Free market magic
Assuming they stay honest in their testing, that would be huge for consumers. Plus a decent way for them to fund the lab
Yep, totally.
@@yeti25934 i Don't see any reason why they wouldn't be honest in their reviews and testing. ^^
@@doodlecaboodle9298 for money. some companies might offer them A LOT of money to have their products be "LTT Certified" regardless of the quality.
Holy crap, Linus. I'm a hardware guy who got started in electronics in the 70s, & this looks like a seriously fun project to be a part of. NGL, I wish I was 20 years younger so I could hit you up to be part of it.
im sure he would defs give you a bash man
Never too late brother
As long as they are still hiring, there's a always a shot to go and try.
So what you're saying is you have experience
Hes said publicly on Wan he just wants people who can bring stuff to the table. Get your resume to him somehow I'm sure he will consider it
It’s insane to see that this channel that I’ve been watching since it was in a house however many years ago is now building massive lab spaces in two different warehouses. Just as good as it’s always been, can’t get enough of the content. Well done guys!
More crazy for me it's I followed linus since ncix videos, and to see him were he is now.. Dammm
@@gajomau Right? My first PC build was mostly NCIX parts based on Linus recommendations
Right? I remember watching NCIX Tech Tips! I'm old.
@@gajomau Same haha. Linus was the reason i purchased a lot of stuff from NCIX before it closed.
P
10:49
Linus: he's our first full time software engineer
Guy in the background: I strongly disagree with competition
I died laughing
That kind of lowkey humor is the best
That moment was so funny 🤣
Don’t throw shade to Guy
It really shows the culture from LMG is carrying over to Labs. Such a great thing 👍
I LOVE how much LTT Labs and GamersNexus are going HARD into serious testing - using the SAME exact testing methodologies as the companies whose products they are testing - so that their results will be, as Steve said, "legally defensible".
Don't forget Hardware Unboxed who does AMAZING breakdowns of monitors. Way more info then I need but defintley useful.
@@Powerman293 It's like the good ole days of Anandtech all over again - back when reviewers and tech mags had some SERIOUS testing abilities and the reputation to go with it.
@@Powerman293 i live for their monitor content. Especially in the new monitor unboxed channel.
And for gaming related benchmark also I think Hardware Unboxed has some pretty great comparisons.
@@someoneintheinternet7443 yeah they're really the go-to for monitors. Kinda sad that Hardware Canucks fell off the curve a bit, their case reviews were pretty cool
The one disappointing this is no discussion of statistics/confidence in ranking or evaluating the products, which is missing from almost all evals in general within this space. For example, using CV to count artifacts should include the model's posterior variance when reporting numbers.
I can see an entire series of "how to" videos with Sam:
- improving your headphones (symptoms & causes)
- an entire line of projects on creating or upgrading OEM car audio systems
- best bookshelf or desk speaker setups
- streaming, Zoom, or voiceover configs (software and hardware) for common consumer microphones
etc..
I never thought of them stepping into car audio to that degree. That would be very interesting to see. There’s some good channels that do this but with the focus around non bias testing they could show what kind of power you REALLY need for certain speakers and stuff along those lines.
Best audio for those of us who are deaf in one ear!
I doubt I’ll ever see this as an LTT video but a video on powered speakers and turntables would be really awesome
@@jacobsmith8914 especially if it was a crossover with @DonutMedia...
...get it? crossover?
Holy hell this noise cancelling thing makes so much sense. When I (wearing glasses) turn on NC with my Teufel Real Blues I always felt like I get more bass and was never sure why. Lol, this is why I'm subscribed I guess
As someone who wears glasses constantly, Sam's headphones lesson noise cancelling was a bit eye opening. I had no idea it could actually prevent that much of a loss in dB.
Yeah, that's the main reason I don't walk around with glasses when listening to music. Sure, I can't read signs from afar but hey, uncompromised sound without burning a hole in my wallet.
I can't focus on anything past a few inches so I've never experienced headphones without glasses. This kinda explains why my equalizer always ended up cranked up on the low end.
"that much of loss" that you couldn't hear, and those who care, can... and don't need a full time employee to measure it.
@@itainteasy For the beanie it dropped like 14db, which you can definitely hear, and even a few db drop in bass could really matter to someone in the music industry.
Also doing that one test isn't that guys full time job, it's one of many tests that he's going to be running through to give us objective information about how different headphones perform
@@kevinwells9751 you really need a refresher course on sequence of events. OP literally wrote he couldn't hear the difference.
Sure there may be in house production teams doing web content that utilize closed back headphones. In the music industry, these are used for monitoring, headphones may be used for reference but not professional closed back monitoring headphones.
again, please seek a refresher course on sequence of events, check the video title, and see if you can pick up on the shared use of sarcasm.
This is one of the reasons I like Linus, he's putting all his money into something not many other channels would bother with, rather than getting a flash car.
Yeah screw the flashy car, just go for the flashy dream house that's 10x more
He has kinda convinced me that I'd like a plug in hybrid car, with everything he said on Wan show, but it'll be a good while until i could afford something like that.
Wenn he got a new mansion... So... Yeah
@@nvme1n1 meh, only phev worth a damn are from bmw and porsche. There’s increased complexity and you are 100% paying more for it, in more ways than just monetarily. Cheap ev’s are far superior to cheap phev’s. I mean do you want 100% of your money to go to one powertrain or 50% each to two half assed powertrains.
Yes, but also I assume the money is coming from a corporate account.
If the lab helps me shave off any of the exhausting "homework" I do to buy products these days, I'd be pumped.
Even knowing tech better than most, actually locking in a product and buying is such a chore, especially when you throw Amazon and their shitty review system into the mix.
wait till the audio people just tell you to buy moondrop Variations cuz it's the only good audio product
@@shyguy4617 yeah headphones and audio is something that in my opinion, you have to do on your own.
Every ear canal is different, every ear drum is different, everyone is different.
@@nicksrandomness2774 Harmon target 2018 basically states that the few differences is that 25%, of people prefer more base and or tremble, also this is why over ears are trash cuz they aren't tuned for your skull so you should just get iems which will sound extremely similar to everyone
@@nicksrandomness2774 moondrop variations follow the harmon target curve very closely which produces accurate audio
I wouldn't call what Amazon has a review system.
It's crazy to see how far the offices have come since the editing room at the old house.
Absolutely mind-blowing.
Flashback to "Whole Room Water Cooling" hahah
@@RyoHazuki224 I was just telling my girlfriend that that is how I got hooked
totally humble beginnings with all the passion in the world . But i feel like he overshot with the labs , to much money is invested before any return .
This is going to be game changing for the entire industry! (Someday I could even see the final video reviews being auto-generated in Unreal with CG Linus and other characters, then auto uploaded to RUclips)
the thing is you wont no will we? how do we no hes not CG Linus, and what with the mask any way?
@@dh2032 Wait, do you mean there is a real life Linus?! 😳
yeah like MetaLTT
Linus will be wearing a Jensen Black Leather jacket :P
Gotta say, I only finished the audio section of the video so far, but man. I have high hopes for this Lab thing. Already learned something super useful as someone who wears glasses and usually runs ANC off.
Wow Moga you're here too 😅 have a great day buddy
jenshin impac
keep watching, James Franco is next
Fawkes going "NO" in the background when Linus describes Fallout guy as first full-time software engineer at 10:48 is precisely why people stick around not only for the tech tips.
@@abeingadrift I thought so too but doesn’t Luke have bigger biceps? Plus Luke would have his own office so that’s definitely not Luke
Fearless Fawkes fashion's Fallouts first as a figurative fallacy. Frankly fascinating.
@@abeingadrift it's likely it's a new employee. New employees at LTT aren't allowed to be in videos for the first few months of employment
@@abeingadrift 😂😂
Came to see if anyone else noticed this, not disappointed!!
16:48 oh god, competent, standardized testing of home theater stuff (especially stuff that's not top end) is so desperately lacking. I get more hyped for labs every day!
What's wrong with what hi-fi?
It’s subjective as fuck, generally
Home theater receivers are a dying product. $1000 receivers today lack simple input/outputs $300 receivers had years ago. Give us back preouts!!!
Hi Linus, I work with Fanuc robots daily. Here's my recommendations for a keyboard robot or otherwise:
For a keyboard specific robot - I would recommend a Fanuc SCARA or Delta series robot (maybe $30,000-$50,000, not super sure). Extremely fast but must be caged off for technically safe operation.
For a general 6-axis robot - I would recommend the time-proven LR Mate series (I think about $40,000). Also a speedy robot, but is a bit more flexible when it comes to applications. It also must be caged off for technically safe operation.
For a general 6-axis cobot (human friendly) - I would recommend the CR/CRX series (also not sure but I'd guess $50,000-$60,000). These are "maintenance free" (sounds like "lifetime" motor oil to me but I could be wrong (oh yeah high-performance robots need maintenance just so you know)), slower, but much safer robots. As soon as they detect resistance, they will stop movement immediately. From my experience, companies with the CR/CRX series robots claim that they don't hold up over time.
You can repair and service all but the CRX robots listed. So for example, once you're done or ready to replace your robot, you can probably sell for 20%-40% of their original value depending on condition (working in your environment, likely very good condition). I'm neither sponsored nor employed by Fanuc, but I wouldn't complain if they were tryna
Solid advice!
well I just spent 6 hours on your website looking at robots I can't afford and have no use for.
I see you have the soul of a true Linus fan
And of course, if you do end up selling the robots, sell them to a school, we really need them. As nice as it is to have all the Fanuc LR Mates that we have, and the small ABB (not sure what model) even with an educational discount, these robots cost thousands.
I don't know why you would sell a robot in industry though. Unless the factory is being repurposed the equipment should hold up fine, and even if the factory is repurposed, robots are flexible automation. If anyone can give me some pointers as to why producer would sell their robots let me know, I'm very curious.
I'm excited for this. But more importantly, I hope companies know that the many many years of BS on their consumers is about to be put to the test. Honest brands will rise up, dishonest ones will lose traction.
So that makes LTT Labs the heroes we need, though we don't deserve. T-T
Sadly this will also inevitably end up with LTT dropping some sponsors :/
@@Numerlon But on the other hand it'll definitely get them more sponsors from the honest companies who are happy about the good reviews
IF LTT remains responsible and IF consumers tune in and listen.
I would love to see a labs expert on smart home-tech & integration! The home/moving episodes with Jake and Linus are a personal highlight, and give me plenty of ideas for home mods and purchases (albeit on a MUCH smaller scale!!).
It couls be testes in segments like quarter A of lab gets homekit, the other quarter gets philips hue products, ect. The feedback from the staff could be further investigated if a huge bug is found.
I imagine Linus would love to have an expert on tap as well, especially after the light switch fiasco.
Heck yeah, maybe even get into prosumer products like the UniFi lines…
12:02, this is why Linus is a great boss - because he's secured great employees. I'm so glad to see the LTT team be this awesome, would've never expected this ten years ago.
CEO: Hey can you do this?
Worker Bee: We could, but it's easier to do it this way
CEO: Oh, makes sense.
@@aidancommenting he's still in the probation period, so LTT has ran for years on a policy of no screen time until probation is finished, due to the whole concept that they might not complete the probation. So since they wanted to make this video about the cool stuff even though probation wasn't done, masks
@@aidancommenting Segment on the masked guy starts at 10:47
@@aidancommenting I think Canada has employment rules for newly hired employees. They are hired on probation and can be fired a lot easier a period of time. Once they are past probation employees have a lot more rights against being fired.
@@natk5569 90 days probation
it's kinda sad that this is not expected of every boss
Imagine having an enthusiast geared company reach out to have LTT certify their product. LTT certified specs on the box.
It became very clear that these guys are all professionals and are really good at their jobs. Can't wait to see the next phase of LTT and labs.
To add, you can clearly see that they aren’t only extremely skilled, but they love what they are doing as well. You can’t have a better combination of traits when you are going for peek results.
It's not true, if they were so good they had a beautiful career and be up there with nice salary not starting at a youtube video production company lol.First they need to prove their worth.
@@mrmrmrcaf7801 dude, you think these are freshers LMG is hiring?! Lmao xD
*checking there linkedins* ehm so yeah these guys are not newboys 😅
It’s already this way now but even more so in the future, if I ever want to buy anything, I come to your channel first. LTT is the BEST resource for this and I’m excited to see what you guys do!
Ltt for consumer peripherals gamers Nexus for industrial or prosumer processors
@@subjekt5577 Optimal Tech & Hardware Unboxed can go in there for many consumer reviews gaming centered as well.
Edit: I guess Bitwit and Paul are nice as well, they just don't nerd out as much and have a more chill feel than the other two I mentioned. Can't beat Optimal Tech's lighting though.
Same! LTT is so thorough and knowledgeable when it comes to any reviewing. Some channels just miss out don’t test a bunch of stuff.
Sam just laid out the whole headphones game in 2 minutes and no script. Legend
13:50 I did this in the early 2000's when I had my own computer company. I had my friend Colin make my office building (and the future office building) with the Source engine. This way we could load up counter-strike source and walk through the office building.
It was so cool and he was able to basically invent a working elevator for the source engine.
Could you play counter strike in the office?
@@thecheeseman31415 yep!
Gamers Nexus did the same thing for their new offices.
And now with a Source 2 update right around the corner for CS:GO you can make an even better one!
I'm not even mad at all the ads and sponsors at this point Linus is really changing the game when it comes to hardware validation!!! I'm excited for the future of this company!
Major props for Linus’s company. Keep going and pushing ahead. You guys are so powerful now that you could effectively replace the old boomer review site: CNET which was a bunch of people that tiptoed around reviews rather than being truly honest.
For the next “LTT tour” if would be cool if Antoine/team mapped out the entire facility. For various points in the tour it could link to relevant videos or articles about that - dish based network for two buildings is huge for those that can’t run cables across.
I wish I lived near your offices so I could apply for a job. This is awesome linus! Without videos like this, I don't think people would understand the depth you guys go to test out products.
This is incredible! If you need streaming/capture coverage, you have my number. I think. I don't know if you actually do, but someone at LMG does!
Seriously LTT get this guy. And maybe he'll help with moving from Premiere if you ever want to try DaVinci Resolve again.
The testing centre should’ve been done ages ago by someone a lot bigger, but it’s here now and run by someone I trust
To be fair, there are really good reviewers that go in depth, like rtings
Sounds like something Consumer Reports should be doing actually.
Who's bigger?
This video was amazing, this is the heaven I was imagining for years *tears*. I'm so proud of you guys. I cannot wait to see all the amazing outputs from the Lab.
12:15 That is such a complex problem, it blows my mind Linus wants his 2 person software development team to create a program that could detect artifacts in a video game. Maybe it's to detect bad overclocking which would be more noticeable than say TAA ghosting in TAA reconstruction techniques like FSR2.0, TAA Upscale, UE5 Upscaler or DLSS ghosting or low sample Ray Tracing de-noising ghosting or any other low sample problems with modern rendering techniques.
To be honest with benchmarks like tomb raider, you have an expected video output for each resolution and settings.
You can earmark any artifacts that deviate from the norm. As well as set specific screen regions and times to capture results for say TAA/DLSS that could be used as side by side B-roll for the video.
Just a lot of process software overhead needed
Came in the comments to check if anyone even understands what just happened. They make software development look like a piece of cake in this video.
@@braisedtoast9002there's no way they're just going with "wouldn't it be cool"s for this. If they're aiming for it then they likely already talked about the challenges of doing so with other professionals.
it's exciting seeing someone finally take the initiative and not relying on bogus info put out by the manufacturer to give people the info they need to make the right purchase for them.
it's info given by the consumer for the consumer and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would appreciate that and I'm one of them and that's all thanks to you and you're incredible team linus.
I LOVE these videos where you go sort of “behind the scenes” of your multiple different workings. Such an exciting adventure arriving here from the old NCIX days like a decade ago. Keep up the good work 👍
I think it's super cool that you guys are creating this 3rd party, independent testing site. Maybe one day we'll see an LTT approved sticker on some products. I'm glad that someone's looking out for the consumers. I do think that you should have some running top 5's or top 10's on a website to help when we need to buy stuff, or if it already exists, point us there!
For Linus to be taking on two very expensive and very ambitious projects (this and the new house) at once, and still just being as engaging, self-deprecating and seemingly all round good boss is a real testament to him
yes it the buss, his been missing, it looks like it given him as much where geting out of the projects,
if i was i him would only be able to take on 1 project at a time and probably wouldnt be able to host either cause i would just be pooped
The videos are paying for it, one's business the other is personal expense.
let's be honest here, the new house is peanuts compared to the lab. I doubt that the house costs accumulate to more than 1 million (especially if you deduct the amount they get from making videos about it), while the lab is in the tens of millions for the location alone (iirc).
Not that the house is trivial, but it's a whole other scale compared to the lab.
@@pixelmaster98 Yeah cheers, I'm well aware of that. Not entirely sure it negates the point
I'm so stoked to see the future of this channel and everything lab two is going to be doing.
Gary's first day PowerPoint is the best thing that Linus has ever shown on LTT
It makes a good case for how good of a fit Gary is for the position.
Apparently Linus forgot why he was spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a testing lab.
Linus: What's the point of this? Surely every keyboard is fast enough.
Antoine: Are they?
Linus: ... Fair enough
I mean I think he remembered but was playing dumb for the script. It's impressive to see the detail they're going to that I'm not even sure consumer reports goes to. Much less other channels on here having the funding to do the same thing 😂
*laughs in rhythm gaming*
Exciting stuff and a good move to give the most accurate and fair review of products.
And thumbs up for using masks instead of blurring 👍
1 guy was blurred tho
am i missing something? why are they wearing masks or blurring them?
@@patronza New hires don't get screen time until their hiring probation period is over. Usually after a couple of months.
For the keycap presser, look into some of the mechanical design that went into the Voron 2.4R2 3D printer, I built one at my workplace recently and the accuracy and speed of the thing is awesome and super reliable.
Send them an email if you want them to see it its hard to see on a video lol
when you built your reputation based on facts and not BS marketing, people will trust your reviews more specially when you have the data to back up your reviews.
Make the lab walk through into a game level filled with LTT employee bots to fight and Linus as the boss mob, make back some of your money.
THIS! Please make it
Seeing stuff like this makes me happy, sure LTT is producing more videos i'm not interested in..but this brings it to a new level. I'm sure Gamersnexus would approve. I just hope all of us can still see the data without having to pay a ridiculous fee.
Have you considered getting someone for game hardware, such as controllers or arcade sticks? That feels like a blindspot in your coverage that, while not necessarily cutting-edge, could be a factor for reliability during gameplay when considering things like input delay, noise levels, & durability.
That's fair but honestly I've had a few different keyboards and it I've never killed one, it just comes down to me wanting something new and shiny and I write personal training and coaching programs as well as a lot of gaming
Stick drift ugh
joystick testing would be great as well
that sounds amazing. The rhythm game and fighting game community will go nuts over it.
Different types of buttons, pressures, springs, etc.
I would expect the keyboard/mice guy, or someone in the same role, to handle that down the line, once they're done with that first category, especially since controllers are a much smaller market (i.e. most people are either using first-party controllers on their consoles, or xbox/ps5 on pc)
Its amazing to see HOW MUCH Linus is digging into all of this. The new people, the equipment and all of the future plans. Im excited to see what this will be in like 2-3 years from now.
Make Sam a host. He has a good way of explaining technical stuff fast and simple.
Yeah he is good at explaining tech and does not require subtitles. He is perfectly understandable.
@@brakogar Yeah the hardsubs were a bit diminuitive towards Antoine, tbh. RUclips has supported softsubs for years. Folks who need them, can turn them on.
I think they added subtitles because to me it didn't seem like any of the engineers had microphone on.
If there's space in the, let's face it, probably already overstacked future schedule of Labs, considering the sheer scope of ambition...
Yeah, i wouldn't mind seeing him in future videos with more test results to show! :)
@@derricke3115 Don't they have micophones on poles like TV news?
I would love to see the data be put into some sort of public database, then developers can create extensions and other tools that would show the product data/quality (& maybe embed a video) from a source we all trust while we browse on sites like Amazon, Newegg, etc.
It's so cool to see the team at LMG growing at the rate that it is! I'd literally give anything to join a group of guys like this, because anything Linus touches becomes gold. The guy probably never sleeps and I'm sure he's tough to work for, at times, but it's only because he knows what it takes to achieve success, obviously.
Hey Linus, if you are looking for any security guards for the lab and HQ building, I'm an Army Infantry Veteran and I'd love to move to Canada! Haha, only kidding, but I will be checking out the positions you all post regularly.
or a psychologist, i live in Colombia but you know, i can move to canada...
The software they use being on GitHub is all I'd need to be able to help
I can do FEM calculations!
Though structural analysis isn't really LMGs field is it?
Can I just say that the sounds that the keyboard wear tester makes are very, very satisfying? That clacking pattern, very nice. (LTT ASMR Lab stream when?)
Linus, I can sincerely say as an engineering and tech enthusiast - that your channel is (if it already isn't) soon to be the absolute undeniable BEST tech channel on youtube or any other site thereof. This is because of you and your team's enthusiasm to entertainment, truth, and the pursuit of meeting ACTUAL consumer knowledge demands. YOU AND THE REST OF LMG ARE GENIUSES AND WE LOVE YOU!!!!
Amazing to see how LTT has matured. I'd love to see a documentary on the history of LTT and LMG
SunnyV2 on youtube has one
Funny, I've made that design for a keyboard test some 5 years ago when working for a keyboard manufacturer... And you can make some other measurements by bypassing the switch entirely, and using a raspberry pi to get timestamps between the time of trigger and usb message. Good ole' times.
As an engineer, tech lover, lab supervisor, and huge fan of LMG, I love the vision and trajectory of LMG.
As much shit as people might give to Linus and Co for their ads and practices, you've got to give them props. They pay competitive wages enough to retain 80-something employees. They're supporting 80 some families (as honestly it seems like most of his employees have kids). It's not just some RUclipsr money grabbing. He's doing good with that money, in a traditional economic way. He's not spending millions of company money on buying back stocks, that money is going back into his company and giving his employees a decent wage. It's better you can say about almost literally any public company these days
I'm not doubting you at all, I'm genuinely interested - do we actually know how well they pay their employees?
Not gonna lie, the ads are smooth and fascinating
@@calvinbunker8237 I don't know if we do but they did talk about their retention rate being quite high at one point. Now, I also don't know if anyone has verified that or if all we got is just "Dude, trust me." from Linus but if they didn't pay their employees well, I feel like there'd a) be more employees quitting and b) we'd find out somehow at some point.
Like, there's enough people who are ready to cancel a big RUclips channel like LTT over something like this.
@@calvinbunker8237 Well, we just went through a massive shift in employment, with people quitting and taking up better jobs during the pandemic, and add to that that the tech sector has traditionally been very competitive, and moving to another company is almost always better than waiting for a raise in that sector...the fact that we can recognise so many names when Linus does his tours, and know they've been around forever, speaks volumes. That's in addition to little things that Linus does for his employees on company dollars, like Summer of Fun, which is mind blowingly cool for a company to be doing, from my perspective with the companies I've worked for.
@Noel Pytlik No, but it's an example of how your average company wastes money. I'm not shouting absolute causation here, but there's definitely a corellation between when Ronald Reagan's government re-legalised stock buybacks (which when you think about it, is literally insider trading. A company can do a massive stock buyback just before they release a new product or what have you that they know is going to rise their stock price, and they can profit from it. That's literally insider trading) and the wage gap that's been steadily growing since then. The last company I worked for gave their employees at top wage (me) a 0.09% raise (while cutting hours) after two years of nothing during a period of massive inflation and after jacking their prices up significantly over that time period. They then spent $300m on stock buybacks to inflate their stock price. Frankly, that's absolutely normal in the business sphere these days and it's disgusting tbh.
As someone that's gotten truly frustrated with fake reviews, bad reviews, and just flying blind, I am so excited to see this come to fruition. It's gotten so much harder to separate the wheat from the chaff. If this opens up for a subscriber level when it releases, I will be among your first subscribers. I want to see you succeed.
The level they’re going with this really makes it feel like RND almost wonder if in a generation or two ltt will be a tech giant with premium products all around
Well the more debt they take on, the more avenues they have to go down to bring profit back up.
I would like to hand in an idea for the abrasion key tester: introduce also some lateral force to the "fingers". Not much but a few millimeters. Else I am hyped for the lab!
You just have to angle it regarding the key caps stroke travel direction.
I think it's easily doable.
@@frenchLeon Literally just prop up one side of the fixture to add a couple degrees of angle
@@Dr.Spatula yeah or even just put the kick stand on most keyboards up too
Yep. Not only could you add rotation to the unit itself, you could add a degree of freedom to the individual actuators and tell it to do any realistic finger movement you wanted. For reference, see the 3D printer files that smoothly move the arm along the Z axis during the printing of each layer.
As someone who makes PowerPoints professionally, would love to see Gary brrr through some LTT internal master layouts
6:11 i can feel the fireworks and the music from this frame, ltt labs, such a cultured ambient to work in
Coming from someone who is doing a lot of R&D mechanical testing at my current work (completely different industry, but similar principals), it's really exciting to see you and your platform bring this stuff to the table for consumer electronics testing. Also will give a lot of your viewers some exposure to this sort of work and inspire the next generation of engineers!
I was so fascinated with the earphones explanation… looking forward to what a full functioning labs will bring
I feel like LTT Labs is making some companies worried about being exposed
i bet there's gonna be companies planning to send product for review before sell
Nah, they're just gonna make the first iteration of their products good, rake in the good reviews then silently make another iteration with cheaper lower quality parts. So many companies in so many different industries have done this that at this point the better question is rather to know which ones haven't...
@@GeneralKenobi69420 this guy gets it!
@@GeneralKenobi69420 So then LTT Labs can test that too. Do the initial RTX3070 test results still match up with that of another identical one purchased today?
So far I have loved the first 5 minutes of this video: "degradation of bass by head apparel and ANC based mitigation" sounds like a section sub heading in the discussion part of a paper and reflects novel research output....incredible and love it. If LTT labs is going to be about such new, sometimes hitherto unseen tech insights, I would love LTT even more. Great initiative.
Can't wait for the results from Antoine's work. Particularly interested in the longevity of mice switches when they are kept pressed as opposed to clicked rapidly.
Don't need a lab for that, can tell u from personal experiences that leaving a mouse button pressed is not great for the switch
@@saulgoodman2018 I would prefer my expensive mice last more than 18-24 months, but have yet to find any yet. Yes I'm hard on them, but still.
@@MsSgent Agreed, years of Logitech mice getting the random double clicks made me switch to corsair, using an M65 for a year or two and it's still going strong
@@trippin7464 Odd, i've only ever had 3 mice in about 20 years of gaming. The mx510,518 and currently the g502. Horse's for courses though, everyone's experience is going to be different. I can't speak as to corsair, but i've watched my younger brother chew through razer products, about 6 month's to a year for him.
@@animefreak5757 for me, ive also watched my cousin destroy his kraken headphone in just less than a year and bought a new one also destroyed in less than a year lol. the mic isnt functioning, the headphone broke into pieces, the earcups are swelling like its been 20 years of usage.
this is shaping to be something really incredible. I wasn't sure, when you first mentioned all this, but now that it's all coming together, it kinda shows your genius
It's both amazing and overwhelming seeing how far this channel has come so far.
its always so much fun to see people talk about or work on things they are excited about . cant wait to see what other things the lab people get up to !
That’s up to the commitment you put into it. I bet you had questions about LTT being a waste of time, but look at what you’re doing now.
LTT/LMG maybe most advanced RUclips channel who works insanely alot for their fans. Amazing job Linus team
Hey guys I would highly recommend some Teknic integrated servos in place of those stepper motors specifically because of a jerk limiting feature they call "g-stop". With this method of jerk limited you can essentially eliminate overshoot and oscillations on point to point movements. This would allow the keystroke tester to operate at much faster speeds without negatively impacting the readings on the sensitive load cell.
The nerd in me (and well I do this for my job) is picturing how to create documents that list out every spec for xyz type of product, and then when something new comes in, that gets filled out with specs from that product, and then a column for the actual results from each test, and if the product meets its own spec sheet or not.
This would be amazing if it got to the point of a LTT Score / Rating that every single product/ website would put on as a badge. Sort of like rotten tomatoes on movies.
That is really what we need In tech, a solid 3rd party that reports and documents every aspect of a product, to enough detail that it can be reliable and without cost or brand bias.
100% agree
LTT Might become to tech products what Michelin stars are to restaurants.
Rotten tomatoes is bought and paid for, and extremely politically biased.
A terrible terrible measure for wether a movie is good or not.
Very common to see 100% audience score 10% critic score, or 0% audience score 100% critic score
I can honestly see this happening
You probably want to checkout the Phoronix Test Suite it does a lot of automated testing for a variety of applications including games. Saves from rewriting the wheel.
I just hope LTT keeps this transparency in the future for all product reviews. Since the HDMI cable testing video i been looking forward to whats next to come.
i very much look forward to this. hopefully you keep a blog or something on LTT so we can see results and compare them without having to go into videos and see comparisons every time. I will watch a video on a product im interested in, but want to be able to see the data without having to watch a video.
LTT is revolutionizing the tech media, this is so exciting, can't wait to see what they do!
It’s so rare to actually be able to watch a company go from startup to massively successful and become an industry changer.
Sure, we have seen companies start and grow in our lifetime… but to actually see it from the inside.
Right? I really like how Linus and LMG is so transparent on its inner workings, decision making and mission/vision. It gives some great insight in how the company works as a whole and WHY it works so well as a whole.
@@ShrkBiT Well it helps that Linus can monetize that transparency through both ad revenue and community trust to increase viewer loyalty
You’re doing what every product reviewer wishes they could do which is amazing. You’re going to be THE end all be all when it comes to unbiased reviews of the items that quality focused users will undoubtedly seek out
13:18 Please use elastic search! I feel like it will be amazing, especially with the ability to integrate machine learning directly into the logstash!
Those key switch tests do look neat, having force curves and maybe quantitative stem wobble measurements for every custom switch out there would be awesome! If you could make them for every switch out there that is.
There is definitely a lot of subjectivity when it comes to switches though, so reviews like those by thereminggoat are still going to be super helpful
I mean switch Force graphs by HaaTa were pretty much the standard in the Mech community for the longest time until he kinda stopped making them (though there;s already thousands luckily) but just like the classic issue- good luck to Linus and team to test all of the thousands of switches considering hundreds took months for HaaTa not to mention the differences between readings between different guys creating some arguments
@@MaxC_1 Yeah I agree, there's just so many switches out there and it doesn't seem too simple to get force graphs
I'm so excited for the education all LTT viewers are going to receive from this! The headphone bass quality loss alone is a big thing for the general person to be aware of if they want to take their music listening seriously. So excited to see what things manufacturer's may have hidden from consumers due to sub par quality or testing. Keep going LTT!
The “stabilization” of a mechanical keyswitch (excluding space bar, shifts/enter/backspace that have actual stabilizers) is just how tight the tolerance is between the stem of the switch and the house. That dictates the “stabilization” of a mechanical switch, whether is wobbles north/south or west/east. Almost all prebuilt mechanical keyboards will be using a cheaper switch no matter how much marketing they throw at it and almost all outside of heavily overpriced prebuilts will have some wobble. Hot swap can contribute a little as well as the who switch itself could potentially shift slightly.
For anyone wanting premium keyboards just invest some time into learning about custom keyboards and get a Tofu build, a KBD67Lite or something along those lines. You’ll build a keyboard more tailored to your preferences, it’ll be much higher quality and you made a thing which is cool.
In all honesty we have seen atleast 6 guys in LTT team who are really into custom mechs so hopefully they eventually shift from the whole corporate mainstream keeb stuff to the more custom or niche stuff but I am sure it'll take time
Ohh man, just loved the video the future of ltt, the day that the first video is produced with the lab involved would be a day to remember because it will change how we buy stuff is mind blowing what a chart can help you to decide, the base drop by using a pair of glasses was wild
Automating game tests is the dream!
I'm a Network Engineer and I love the feeling of pressing a button and let the computer do the work for you.
Automating everything is the dream. That's why DevOps is becoming so popular. I want to become a proper DevOps engineer myself.
@@one_step_sideways I find DevOps to be too hard haha. Mad respect to those who pursue it.
DevOps is very tough. It‘s basically demanding from the teams to be an expert on 3/5 topics and be proficient in the rest. So only guys who can handle a bunch of topics at ones are more likely to succeed. I am an devops in a double role as architect and engineer. It‘s one of the most versatile roles. One day you are doing basic network automation the other you are doing deep level linux debugging and then some cloud infra / k8s stuff. And in addition every 2 years tools will change based on their efficiency and portability. So basically it’s the dream for people who love to learn and most importantly are passionate about it.
@@shabinshan5897 yeah true. I just like Network Automation and stick with it haha. I'm also hoping to transition into Technical Writing someday so I'm not looking to be a programmer all my life. Let's see.
As also a network engineer, I really feel like network automation, especially configuration, can only be done in very strict limits.
If you let an autoconfig run, you'll have a bunch of devices with settings that are barely suited for the install environment. If you suddenly change a hardware model, you might get failed results due to a syntax of function change. If you get another brand's device, it might fail outright.
A lot of configuration almost has to be done by hand, but then if you get like 802.1x to work, it'll be much easier to operate.
Can’t wait for the labs content, will definitely be nice to have a place to go to when searching for reliable information on consumer electronics. Similar to what rtings.com has done for TV’s and some other content consumption electronics
THIS IS SO AWESOME, The little audio testing part already got me SO HYPED for labs!
Keep up the amazing work, this is the information we need as consumers
Here for the headphone testing. Glad you guys went with the 5128. We need more measurments from that rig. I'm using a IEC711 and pinna, as most are, but it's time for the industry to move to the more accurate 5128
im excited to see the data coming from the lab, but im also excited to watch the lab being built. so cool
As an ex-quality engineer, this strokes my analytical sphincter pleasure area...to completion :D
In all seriousness though, this initiative is the sort of move most corporations should be aspiring to emulate. As for robot arms, Kuka are pretty much the leader in industrial robotic integration, although I don't know if they make an arm small enough for your requirements.
Linus geeking out about the potential to measure key actuation away from the middle of each key makes me very happy. :)
I love the LTT Labs, it's really a even more advanced testing of your original videos. Which were on their own very in depth often. You can measure so much and having that information available makes it easier to make a choice while shopping for many things. For some products you need to experience them yourselve because you don't know what you like still this will help comparing when you have some known products. KEEP GOING!!!