It can depend on the asphalt quality. For example in Finland we have 2-3kwh more comsumption compared to the asphalt used in Germany or Sweden. It seems to be more smooth over there while in here it's more rought which results in higher consumption.
@@Manowar199 the rims make the difference. Battery life made a comparison test between the 19” rims and the 20” rims with sport tires. The difference was 10.6 %. That is also visible in the WLTP high speed consumption. 18 kWh / 100 km for the 19” rims vs. 20.6 kWh / 100 km for the 20” rims.
Ah yes. 6 comments and 3 of them „ID7 bad Tesla good“. My god. I am no VW Fan at all but this really a good car and I would prefer it over a Tesla each and every day.
Its on paar with a MY SR (a bit worse at 90, a bit better at 120), and that was the MY with the old drive unit. Nothing to write home about, but not bad either for a legacy brand. I wonder how cold temps affect the range. VW is not known for their hyper efficient thermal management.
Happy to see VW improving. I used to have VW tourers but when I bought an EV it was a model Y because I wanted a practical and efficient car. If they add a frunk and full one pedal driving it will be likely a candidate for my next car in a few years. Excited to see if the deal with Rivian brings also software improvements in VW! In any case, competition is good, I am not sure why but it looks like some people would like that every one just drives a white Tesla…
Tesla 3 LR is 460k, tesla y lr is 480k, tesla requires no yearly service, vw does which is from 4-7k every year... It's a good car but much more expensive
@@mateuszw6843 I am in the market for a new family car and as much as I like model 3, I could not even consider it. The better comparison is with model S or model Y. I liked the Y but it is much less efficient compared to id.7 and it has some deal brakers for me, so I picked the id.7 which I can customise a bit more
@@HanYou2 I just would like to point out that according to a limited number of cold temperature consumption test results in Bjørn's Google Sheet, the VW ID.7 has a much higher consumption in winter than most Teslas. I am unsure if it comes down to the heat pump, octovalve, battery technology or anything else. But Tesla cars seem to perform a lot better than the MEB cars in general in cold climates. And I think that this fact should be taken into consideration as well.
@@pbasistanot really. Latest M3 HL drove 22km further for 120 km/h test compared to ID7. 330 vs 308 km at 2 deg and wet roads. In other words the difference was 7% in favor of the considerably smaller car.
As I have already mentioned in other videos: it is the best ID and VW has taken a good step forward with it. Design, vehicle shape, etc. is always a matter of individual taste and a question of intended use. Consumption is already close to Tesla, in our test as a company vehicle, the ID7 had higher consumption than our Model Y RWD (our direct comparison vehicle) and also above LR AWD - but at that time the temperatures were below 10°C. Bjorn's winter test also showed this - I hope VW can improve this, because as a company in particular you have to calculate with the lowest range and unfortunately this drops twice as much in winter with the ID models as with Tesla, for example.
Very nice car. And efficiency is ok. Also I do not understand how someone compares it to Tesla. The Model 3 is one class below in size and price, Model S is one class above , not least in price. So it has no competition from Tesla. The Kombi would be the ideal choice probably.
I totally agree ! But maybe it is compared to model 3 because model 3 have better frunk and trunk space in a more compact and affordable car. It is enough for most people who doesnt want an SUV. (?) ID7 is more like ioniq6, longer car, better space for passengers but not in the trunk. Perfect for taxi !
Well yes, I get your point. but you can use percentages as a comparison between numbers... Fuel consumption of the car in the starting setup is 100%, now you change the tires and the new consumption is then a fraction of the original consumption.
I test drove an ID.7 today. After 5 years and owning almost every Tesla except from Model X, I will just say this: bye bye Tesla, even Model 3 Highalnd is a much inferior car! ID.7 is an amazing value for the money!
"I test drove an ID.7 today. After 5 years and owning almost every Tesla except from Model X, I will just say this: bye bye Tesla, even Model 3 Highalnd is a much inferior car! ID.7 is an amazing value for the money!" It's one thing to claim that it's a good car, but claiming that it's an amazing value for the money is a big stretch.
What are the tire pressures when you start these kind of tests? Do you use a fixed value for all vehicles you drive or use different pressures according to each manufacturer recommendation? Or perhaps you don't even take that into consideration? I think this parameter is quite important. Thanks for the video.
VW had difficulties with Software. Meanwhile they are on par with Hunday and better than Volvo, with an excellent Travel Assist. I wonder how the ID.3 sales with the new software will be. In everyday use, it is better (more practical/space) than the EX30.
There is nothing which makes the ID7 special. The design is boring, specs are boring, price is high. There is no category where its outstanding. Sure on paper its more efficient then a ModelS, but with 3x less performance...
@@SoloPerICommenti Doesn't matter what the internet think, what does the consumer think? The sales numbers are absolut horrible, special since VW has deals with big companies in Germany so employs often are forced to choose a VW as company car...
@@kenion2166 I just ordered one, and everyone in my company who tested it is happy about it. I am not an expert and I don't know why it's underperforming in sales. But I have studied enough this segment to tell you that it's a pretty unique value proposition at the moment. All the competition is either smaller or much more expensive. And there's basically no competition on the station wagon.
Batterylife had a consumption of 17.4 kWh / 100km at an average speed of 125 km/h. That give a range of 430 km. The difference are the 19” rims. If you need range take the 19” rims. Then you get more range and more comfort.
you should get yourself stateside for awhile, and check out gm and fords new offerings. like the hummer, equinox, blazer, silverado, and the f150 and mach e.
Oh, wow! :) Surprise. My heart wants the i4. My brain an id7. However most of these range tests seem to indicate that even with the big battery it might be just on pair with the i4. I like the material and build quality and how it drives in the i4 more. I like the space, massage and vented seats in the id7. Btw is the i4 really more quite inside or it’s only me? The question is, which one is faster on 1000 to 1500 km on those vacation trips ~ 100% highway? And if that difference is really big + which suits my driving profile more…. Currently with a Hybrid Rav4 I travel a bit faster, so need to refuel every 350-400 km which is perfect for quick nature break and to grab a coffee. So I normally would do 3-5 stops from which only 1 is longer than ~7 minutes. I know I will need to adopt😇 Looking at their Navi on similar distances the bmw suggest more but shorter stops whereis the vw less but longer. Bmw charging curve seem to be better at to 50% but then to 80% it evens out. Probably with pro s even more so.
@@gaborruda We did a highway run this summer. 700 km 111 km/h avg 190 Kwh/100 km Drove 130 most of the time on German AutoBahn. 😎 Range between charges was around 300-325. Because we didn’t go higher then 85%. Charging is fast (imo).
This VW seems to suit your personal needs very well! Now there is a VW on my own shortlist as well, but I'm slightly worried about VW's score in degradation tests that you have been doing. If you were contemplating on getting your own ID.7, how important would that be in the equasion?
Tbh they could easily make an ID.3 Tourer, but since SUV sell a lot better they decided to be that the ID.4 as an SUV. I can tell you from my own experience that ID.4 is a very good car for city, even better than my old combustion station wagon in Golf Size and consumption not much worse than ID.3.
If only they made ID3 variant with a big boot. 4,2m long ID3 is to small for two kids. 5m ID7 is too long for our city. ID4 is ok with 4.55m but is an SUV, I would feel bad driving one.
Model S would most likely be more efficient if they only threw in one motor with ~280 bhp like the ID7. Still good to see VW trying its best to play along. It will most likely sell quite a lot to the ones preferring a VW. IMO there is no real comparison due to performance differences.
It "beat" Tesla by 8%@90 and 3%@120. Let's compare: TSLA 680HP VW 286HP 0-100 TSLA 3,2s VW 6,5s Top speed TSLA 250km/h VW 180km/h Range (Bjorns) TSLA 618km VW 550km (Remember Bjorn achieved 700km in his Sunday driving video) So Tesla has double the horsepower and accelerates half the time to 100 kmh, has longer range, yet it has roughly the same consumption! Yes it's more expensive because it has bigger battery, so the fair comparison would be to a Model 3. ID7 will never beat the Model 3. ID7 is an ID3 in a big body. Bear in mind that the Pirelli PZero (on Tesla) is an ultra high performance tyre with D efficiency rating while the Bridgestone is an efficiency tuned tyre with A efficiency, so the difference in consumption might be just down to the tyres. And don't forget the VW has the charging port on the wrong hand side! No further comments your honour.
@@davids.6671 you meant to say fully equipped ID.7 is 70t. Same applies to Tesla. M3 LR fully equipped is over 66T. Edit: tried my best on german VW site. Tried to tick all options. 67T was the result. Could not get higher for ID.7 Pro.
It is an ID.7, not a Passat. But your point still stands, in my opinion. The rear wheel drive cars should be compared with rear wheel drive cars, especially when it comes to the consumption where some manufacturers have notorious difficulty implementing an efficient all wheel drive propulsion.
@@christophw.717 In the thumbnail. And of course it does. You think I click on a video that's not at least pretending to be somewhat about Tesla? Nor way!
I was also pleasanty surprised when i tested the ID7.
Really nice car 😊
What’s price there ?
Battery life gets even better efficiency at 130 km/h with the 19" standard tires. Something I can confirm from my own ID7.
It can depend on the asphalt quality. For example in Finland we have 2-3kwh more comsumption compared to the asphalt used in Germany or Sweden.
It seems to be more smooth over there while in here it's more rought which results in higher consumption.
How many km you get at 130?
@@Manowar199 the rims make the difference. Battery life made a comparison test between the 19” rims and the 20” rims with sport tires. The difference was 10.6 %. That is also visible in the WLTP high speed consumption. 18 kWh / 100 km for the 19” rims vs. 20.6 kWh / 100 km for the 20” rims.
@@joneslukas 415 km with ideal conditions. No rain. 20 degrees. No A/C and no left lane hugger.
This is one of the most useful review formats I have ever seen. You even routed your tests through my local area, how very thoughtful of you!
Ah yes. 6 comments and 3 of them „ID7 bad Tesla good“. My god. I am no VW Fan at all but this really a good car and I would prefer it over a Tesla each and every day.
Your username already told us that you would not prefer the Tesla 😄
I just wish Tesla made a Model 3 wagon
@@174wolf you will wait a lot I am afraid...
Its on paar with a MY SR (a bit worse at 90, a bit better at 120), and that was the MY with the old drive unit.
Nothing to write home about, but not bad either for a legacy brand.
I wonder how cold temps affect the range. VW is not known for their hyper efficient thermal management.
Tesla fans and their insecurities 😂
Happy to see VW improving. I used to have VW tourers but when I bought an EV it was a model Y because I wanted a practical and efficient car. If they add a frunk and full one pedal driving it will be likely a candidate for my next car in a few years. Excited to see if the deal with Rivian brings also software improvements in VW! In any case, competition is good, I am not sure why but it looks like some people would like that every one just drives a white Tesla…
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The range for that price is really good 👍 Software could be better but we are at the point where it is usable and a good option to choose the ID.7
650k NOK is a great price for an excellent car. Well done VW.
Tesla 3 LR is 460k, tesla y lr is 480k, tesla requires no yearly service, vw does which is from 4-7k every year... It's a good car but much more expensive
@@mateuszw6843 Wait, what? A mandatory yearly service? That you have to pay out of your own pocket? Within the warranty period?
What does it include?
@@mateuszw6843 I am in the market for a new family car and as much as I like model 3, I could not even consider it. The better comparison is with model S or model Y. I liked the Y but it is much less efficient compared to id.7 and it has some deal brakers for me, so I picked the id.7 which I can customise a bit more
@@HanYou2 I just would like to point out that according to a limited number of cold temperature consumption test results in Bjørn's Google Sheet, the VW ID.7 has a much higher consumption in winter than most Teslas. I am unsure if it comes down to the heat pump, octovalve, battery technology or anything else. But Tesla cars seem to perform a lot better than the MEB cars in general in cold climates. And I think that this fact should be taken into consideration as well.
@@pbasistanot really. Latest M3 HL drove 22km further for 120 km/h test compared to ID7. 330 vs 308 km at 2 deg and wet roads. In other words the difference was 7% in favor of the considerably smaller car.
As I have already mentioned in other videos: it is the best ID and VW has taken a good step forward with it.
Design, vehicle shape, etc. is always a matter of individual taste and a question of intended use.
Consumption is already close to Tesla, in our test as a company vehicle, the ID7 had higher consumption than our Model Y RWD (our direct comparison vehicle) and also above LR AWD - but at that time the temperatures were below 10°C. Bjorn's winter test also showed this - I hope VW can improve this, because as a company in particular you have to calculate with the lowest range and unfortunately this drops twice as much in winter with the ID models as with Tesla, for example.
Fantastic Car
Teslabjorn now evolved to ID.7bjorn
Kia EV3 when? Want your review before I consider even buying it, ur my go to guy.
well done VW
Very nice car. And efficiency is ok. Also I do not understand how someone compares it to Tesla. The Model 3 is one class below in size and price, Model S is one class above , not least in price. So it has no competition from Tesla.
The Kombi would be the ideal choice probably.
I totally agree !
But maybe it is compared to model 3 because model 3 have better frunk and trunk space in a more compact and affordable car. It is enough for most people who doesnt want an SUV. (?)
ID7 is more like ioniq6, longer car, better space for passengers but not in the trunk. Perfect for taxi !
@@shivan6416 absolutely right
R.I.P Marcusbil
-10% for 19" wheels (Source: Battery Life)
Battery life was testing the 20 inch rims with sport tires, those tires are a lot less efficient than normal EV tires
Efficiency can vary within the same tyre size by about 11% by just fitting a different make and model. (Source: TyreReviews)
Wheels don't reduce the consumption by percentage. It's rather a fixed amount, for example 15 Wh/km.
Well yes, I get your point. but you can use percentages as a comparison between numbers... Fuel consumption of the car in the starting setup is 100%, now you change the tires and the new consumption is then a fraction of the original consumption.
@@FlorianMickler Everything is relative, as Albert said many years ago 😁
Still not a single VW EV for sale in Australia.
And don't forget ID.3 77 kWh :)
I test drove an ID.7 today. After 5 years and owning almost every Tesla except from Model X, I will just say this: bye bye Tesla, even Model 3 Highalnd is a much inferior car! ID.7 is an amazing value for the money!
"I test drove an ID.7 today. After 5 years and owning almost every Tesla except from Model X, I will just say this: bye bye Tesla, even Model 3 Highalnd is a much inferior car! ID.7 is an amazing value for the money!"
It's one thing to claim that it's a good car, but claiming that it's an amazing value for the money is a big stretch.
It is 48k EUR all-in, Model S is 93k and 97k with EAP. Model 3 is about the same price (LR) but one class lower.
What are the tire pressures when you start these kind of tests?
Do you use a fixed value for all vehicles you drive or use different pressures according to each manufacturer recommendation?
Or perhaps you don't even take that into consideration?
I think this parameter is quite important.
Thanks for the video.
it seems like a really good product - why sales are bad then? awareness issue?
VW had difficulties with Software. Meanwhile they are on par with Hunday and better than Volvo, with an excellent Travel Assist.
I wonder how the ID.3 sales with the new software will be. In everyday use, it is better (more practical/space) than the EX30.
There is nothing which makes the ID7 special. The design is boring, specs are boring, price is high. There is no category where its outstanding. Sure on paper its more efficient then a ModelS, but with 3x less performance...
@@kenion2166there's nothing comparable to the ID.7 at that price point. In particular nothing like the tourer version
@@SoloPerICommenti Doesn't matter what the internet think, what does the consumer think? The sales numbers are absolut horrible, special since VW has deals with big companies in Germany so employs often are forced to choose a VW as company car...
@@kenion2166 I just ordered one, and everyone in my company who tested it is happy about it. I am not an expert and I don't know why it's underperforming in sales. But I have studied enough this segment to tell you that it's a pretty unique value proposition at the moment. All the competition is either smaller or much more expensive. And there's basically no competition on the station wagon.
Bjørn, how will the bankruptcy of Marcusbil affect your access to cars and funding?
Where did you read about bankruptcy?
@@EngineersFear in Norwegian media outlets
Batterylife had a consumption of 17.4 kWh / 100km at an average speed of 125 km/h. That give a range of 430 km. The difference are the 19” rims. If you need range take the 19” rims. Then you get more range and more comfort.
Very nice car!
Save enough money still go for benz now the question EQE or EQS?
Id7 as combi will be a good car for family. How did the software improve?
you should get yourself stateside for awhile, and check out gm and fords new offerings.
like the hummer, equinox, blazer, silverado, and the f150 and mach e.
I read sunday driving range test, dumb me😂
Sorry Bjorn but I don't understand the data "75% range"...for example, 75% of 550 is 413...not 358...can you help me in understanding you results?
Maybe there is different percentage in Norway
Would you take it over an i4?
they are set up differently....if you want an efficient cruiser, go for the ID.7
Yes
Oh, wow! :) Surprise.
My heart wants the i4. My brain an id7. However most of these range tests seem to indicate that even with the big battery it might be just on pair with the i4.
I like the material and build quality and how it drives in the i4 more. I like the space, massage and vented seats in the id7. Btw is the i4 really more quite inside or it’s only me?
The question is, which one is faster on 1000 to 1500 km on those vacation trips ~ 100% highway? And if that difference is really big + which suits my driving profile more….
Currently with a Hybrid Rav4 I travel a bit faster, so need to refuel every 350-400 km which is perfect for quick nature break and to grab a coffee. So I normally would do 3-5 stops from which only 1 is longer than ~7 minutes.
I know I will need to adopt😇
Looking at their Navi on similar distances the bmw suggest more but shorter stops whereis the vw less but longer. Bmw charging curve seem to be better at to 50% but then to 80% it evens out. Probably with pro s even more so.
@@gaborruda
We did a highway run this summer. 700 km 111 km/h avg 190 Kwh/100 km
Drove 130 most of the time on German AutoBahn. 😎
Range between charges was around 300-325. Because we didn’t go higher then 85%. Charging is fast (imo).
@@mkompanje Thanks for the info! Just to confirm. Was it id7 or i4? :)
Bjøøøøøøørn, Banana box test for ID7 Pro please! I am trying to decide between i5 and ID7 (not Tourer). Tack!
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@@bjornnyland Thank you man, I somehow missed it in my search. Nice work bro.
This VW seems to suit your personal needs very well! Now there is a VW on my own shortlist as well, but I'm slightly worried about VW's score in degradation tests that you have been doing. If you were contemplating on getting your own ID.7, how important would that be in the equasion?
I will Report consumption of 150 and 180 of id4 Facelift soon 😅
How can this thing be so efficient with 20''...👍 With the 19'' tyres it will score like 2016 Ioniq with 75 kWh battery.
The width of a tire makes significant difference, it got thin tires for such a big car
Hope they soon make an Golf Variant sized car. That 5m long is way to big.
ID3
Tbh they could easily make an ID.3 Tourer, but since SUV sell a lot better they decided to be that the ID.4 as an SUV. I can tell you from my own experience that ID.4 is a very good car for city, even better than my old combustion station wagon in Golf Size and consumption not much worse than ID.3.
If only they made ID3 variant with a big boot. 4,2m long ID3 is to small for two kids. 5m ID7 is too long for our city. ID4 is ok with 4.55m but is an SUV, I would feel bad driving one.
Was at the dealer today, liked many things. Getting out of the back seat with disc herniation, not so much 😂
Now VW please compress all of this goodness into a Yeti-sized vehicle and I will BUY it. An ID7 is just too long for me.
ID3
Skoda Elroc... sounds just what you're looking for, only a few months to wait.
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still expensive for avg. consumer
@@purnoruz It's also not a car for the average customer
@@raphi25895 not an alternative to passat price range yet. So, it will not sell much northern outside Europe.
@@purnoruz the costs are more or less the same
Better, but much more expensive...
It is much cheaper than a model s.
Model S would most likely be more efficient if they only threw in one motor with ~280 bhp like the ID7. Still good to see VW trying its best to play along. It will most likely sell quite a lot to the ones preferring a VW. IMO there is no real comparison due to performance differences.
And price
It "beat" Tesla by 8%@90 and 3%@120.
Let's compare:
TSLA 680HP VW 286HP
0-100 TSLA 3,2s VW 6,5s
Top speed TSLA 250km/h VW 180km/h
Range (Bjorns) TSLA 618km VW 550km (Remember Bjorn achieved 700km in his Sunday driving video)
So Tesla has double the horsepower and accelerates half the time to 100 kmh, has longer range, yet it has roughly the same consumption!
Yes it's more expensive because it has bigger battery, so the fair comparison would be to a Model 3. ID7 will never beat the Model 3. ID7 is an ID3 in a big body.
Bear in mind that the Pirelli PZero (on Tesla) is an ultra high performance tyre with D efficiency rating while the Bridgestone is an efficiency tuned tyre with A efficiency, so the difference in consumption might be just down to the tyres.
And don't forget the VW has the charging port on the wrong hand side!
No further comments your honour.
Yea, but the VW is a proper car...
Germany. Current starting price according to webpages.
ID.7 50425Euro
M3 LR 51400 Euro
MS LR 92000 Euro
Model S LR is almost twice as expensive to.
@@davids.6671 you meant to say fully equipped ID.7 is 70t. Same applies to Tesla. M3 LR fully equipped is over 66T.
Edit: tried my best on german VW site. Tried to tick all options. 67T was the result. Could not get higher for ID.7 Pro.
0-60 and total HP are very low on the list of purchase considerations for a buyer, way behind price, efficiency, charge speed and build quality
Tesla = All Wheel Drive, Passat = No All Wheel Drive. You should compare it to model 3 LR WITHOUT All-Wheel Drive.
Why? The video is not about a comparison?
@@Tschacki_Quacki it says Tesla in the title...
It is an ID.7, not a Passat. But your point still stands, in my opinion.
The rear wheel drive cars should be compared with rear wheel drive cars, especially when it comes to the consumption where some manufacturers have notorious difficulty implementing an efficient all wheel drive propulsion.
Model 3 is much smaller than ID7. Not comparable at all.
@@christophw.717 In the thumbnail.
And of course it does. You think I click on a video that's not at least pretending to be somewhat about Tesla? Nor way!
Very good efficiency for a legacy brand, but ofcourse, even the cheapest Model Y is more efficiënt. So i guess it's "better" than some Tesla's ;)
Uh that is incorrect, if you look at the Excel the RWD Y clocks in at 143 wh/km @ 90 and 202 wh/km @ 120. Both being summer tests.
Still you are comparing a tall suv with a sedan. The comparison should be with rwd model 3.
@@runescapemasters123 no, the model Y RWD achieved 129 Wh/k At 90..
@@blakoemail Well indeed, that RWD model 3 achieved 118 Wh/km at 90kmh.
@@blakoemail id. 7 is much bigger than a model 3, björn did compare it with a model s for a reason.
MEB 💩 better then Tesla 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This 💩 is RWD and WAY more expensive not to mention the bad MEB software
According to his other reviews, the software is fixed. I'd take an ID7 over a Tesla all day long, much nicer car.
@@MyMednas There's no accounting for taste, for me VW looks ugly and cheap, like a soap box.
@@Jeroenneman Software is pretty good actually
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