Cliff Barnes aka Ken Kercheval and JR Ewing aka Larry Hagman were without doubt the best arch enemies on the PLANET...R.I.P to you both gentlemen. I am on Season 5 (again) of Dallas, and am relishing the anticipation of the first of many put downs that JR exercised on his enemy.. Dallas is/was and always will be the GREATEST TV SHOW EVER MADE. Nothing then/Now and in the future will ever TOP this once in a lifetime show. May I thank Mr David Jacobs for giving us this TV Gold.
So true. I mean, we can always stream the entire series anytime we want to, but it would be even sweeter if we could go back in time and do it all live all over again. Having to wait an entire week to see the next episode used to drive me crazy with anticipation. 😅
We had a few good Drama’s back then. There was better programs back then, the writing, directors and actors. These shows had the quality of Oscar winning performances. Now, television programs and movies are just plain terrible.
LG I must say it was hard to have a favorite show back then. There were So many good shows to choose from. Dallas, The Waltons, Family, Rich Man Poor Man, The White Shadow and St. Elsewhere. They all had good writers, directors, story lines and of course the actors. It was an exceptional time for television. I still prefer these to what is on TV in this millennium. I hate reality shows.
It shows true life in business and personal life and the choices humans make. The good side and bad sides. Most were good characters with the exception of JR playing both sides. It gets a little out their near the last few seasons, but you are still drawn in to the characters and story lines. JR never learns like Miss. Ellie told him in early episodes.
How do you know Ken made it to Heaven, just out of curiosity? Do you know for a fact that he was a Born Again Christian that accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and repented from his sins? Because that's the only way one makes it to Heaven and the road is very narrow. Don't get me wrong, I hope Ken made it but according to The Holy Bible, the odds that he did are extremely long. Same for all of us.
You are right. Ken is great. I am watching Dallas now for the first time in 30 years. And back then, I undervalued Ken and his acting ability. But now, I think that he was great. And back then I sided with JR, and I thought of Ken as a pest. Whereas today, I see so many negative qualities of JR in my own uncles, brother, and sister. Just watching this gives me negative flashbacks of my own manipulative, deceptive, and evil family members.
@@reneep9972 Who are you to judge others? How about you get the speck out of your own eye? So much for, "Judge not lest ye be judged" which is a fine example of how most xtians such as yourself do not practice what you preach. What arrogant and self-righteous people you are. FYI, I was once a xtian myself. I once shared your xtian beliefs (ancient superstitious ignorance) however that was back when I did not know any better. And before you tell or ask me why I am making statements based on biblical scripture since I am not a christian, I am reminding you about what you claim and what you believe in. Like all other religions your belief is based on a "Man Made" book. It is NOT based on FACT. Tell me. How much more time is going to have to pass (such as days, weeks, months, years, decades, and centuries) until you xtians figure out that jesus is never coming back? You also made this statement: "Same for all of us." Speak for yourself Renee P. You do not speak for me or anyone else period. Your xtian beliefs are based on fear mongering and control. I am not one bit afraid of your imaginary sky daddy. I am not guilty of original sin and if it turns out that your xtian god is real I still reject him/it.
@@Stephaniewashere Jesus absolutely DID die for our sins. But did Ken accept Jesus as Lord? Did he lead an absolute perfect life after that? Because according to thousands of people with near-death experiences, there are very many people in Hell right now that thought they were saved, and loved Jesus, but still went to that absolutely unthinkable, and totally unjust place. NO human being that has ever lived, deserves an eternal punishment like hideous Hell. Not even Hitler. Not even Hillary Clinton.
Will never forget the scene when Cliff found his mom and bought candy that he remembered she liked from when he was a child before she left he and Pam!A great scene!
It was not the Ewing's fault not even JR's. It was Cliff's own selfish greed. That's what Rebecca told Cliff when she fired him! The Barnes' including Pam, always played that pity party. Very frustrating.
That's right ole Cliff Barnes didn't wanna believe the truth that his worthless daddy Digger Barnes was a drunk and a bum and a shit father to him and Pam leaving them to be raised by their Aunt Maggie. Jock tried to take care of Digger but Digger was butthurt jealous of Jock.
Well, I understand your point, but I would have to say that Cliff Barnes was his own second worse enemy. J. R. Ewing was definitely Cliff's worst enemy. J. R. hated him more than anyone else!
@@itsmylife842 : JR probably wouldn't have given Cliff much thought most times if Cliff didn't keep trying to nip at his heels. In fact, at one point I recall JR describing his feud with Cliff as an ' Mouse nipping at the legs of a Lion ' or something close to that... Cliff had many chances to move on with his life, but he let his obsession rule him, and destroy his relationships...etc. All this, only to find out later that Jock didn't actually cheat Digger out of anything. Hate and revenge is a waist of energy, and it gives the person you hate an indirect power over you because you are living your life consumed by that hate, rather than just living your life. Cliff was his own worst enemy.
The show Dallas was the beginning of some of the best times of television. It created a new catergory, evening soap operas. It was the times for great producers. Dallas had a cliff hanger, unforgettable moment in television. " Who Shot JR Ewing." It kept the audience on the end of its seat waiting for shoe to fall.
They should have kept Rebecca. They also should have kept Lucy & Mitch as a strong-healthy couple to balance the Ewings. Lucy be like Bobby. She had sense about people. As well as kept Ray & Donna as the other strong/healthy power couple. Donna could have been utilized more such as at Ewing oil to balance Bobby & JR. I wonder if they had to let characters go to get Elvis's ex wife? If so, it wasn't worth it. Katherine could have been normal not crazy. The Barnes needed to be unified like the Ewings to really make it an interesting fued. But they took Rebecca, Afton, Katherine & Pam characters away from Cliff...boring. They could have had Cliff keep pursuing Sue Ellen or be a good friend, especially when J.R. was seeing women behind her back after the 2nd marriage. It drove J.R. bonkers...Cliff did not mind being used by Sue Ellen.
Marquirs Williams : I do not think Rebecca was capable of being a thorn in JR's side for more than a minute. If they had kept Rebecca around, JR would have turned her into the a penniless drunk like Digger and Cliff. She wouldn't have stood much chance of fighting JR for long, let alone actually beating him for good. JR always was willing to be ruthless to win. He'd cross lines that someone like Rebecca would never cross to win. Rebecca was clueless to think money is all you needed to beat JR. It's not just about money. JR was JR because he was not only smart and cunning, but he was ruthless and willing to do whatever he had to do to win. That's one reason why he almost always won. He would have broken Rebecca, just like he broke so many other people who actually had the hard bark on them that Rebecca didn't. Rebecca was a dolphin, and JR was a Killer Whale.
@@PlanetBlake How come he was scared to death when he found Rebecca and Clayton together? He always attacked Cliff and/or Pam to get to Rebecca. He never would have gone face to face with Rebecca.
@@friedchickenicedtea : This is a man who drove Edgar Randolph to attempt suicide just in order to get out from under JR’s blackmail. Then instead of being remorseful, JR went to Edgar Randolph’s hospital room and told him that if he ever committed suicide he’d still expose Edgar’s secret out of spite and to prove he always follows through on his threats. If you want to believe JR would have coward to Rebecca, then that’s your right. Rebecca might of been able to get in a scratch or two initially, but JR would have broken her and turned her into a bankrupt drunk like Digger and Cliff. That fight would have been like a house cat going up against a Grizzly bear who doesn’t give a sh*t how he wins, he’s just going to win. Very few characters on the show were capable of standing up to JR for long, and pretty much no one scared JR. He feared Jock. He feared Bobby, but really only in a physical fight. Jeramy Windell was one of his toughest adversaries because Windell could be ruthless too. Rebecca didn’t have the skills, heart or ruthlessness to standup to JR for long. JR would do whatever it took to get his way, Rebecca wasn’t that person. Being an angry Mom for a few weeks doesn’t make her a match for the monster that JR was for decades.
What happened to Cliff was tragic, but unfortunately (like many other Dallas characters), he played right into JR's hands. Cliff was very much in the mold of his self-pitying father Digger.
Ellie made too many excuses for JR. Cliff didn't care about anyone or anything but himself. Pam was naive and blind when it came to Cliff. Cliff tried too hard to be a mini JR. NOT!
Rebecca was foolish. Blaming all the Ewing's family for JR's and her own son's failing and sins, was ridiculous. If JR / the Ewings were responsible for what happened to Cliff, then Rebecca was just as responsible for what happened to Cliff too. As I seem to recall, Pam even warned Rebecca not to give Cliff money & power, because Pam knew what Cliff would try and do with it. Plus, even after telling Cliff to resign, Rebecca could have shown Cliff a little more mercy by giving Cliff hope she might still be able to mother to him like he pleaded. But she chose her own pride over giving her son the hope that he could redeem things eventually. Kicking him in the teeth while he was down, and that was the final thing that pushed him over the edge. He was already beaten down and humiliated, and Rebecca's final rejection helped him commit suicide more than what JR did. Cliff was accustomed to JR besting him and would have gotten past it, but losing his mother for good is what pushed him over the edge. Want to blame someone Rebecca ? Fine, blame JR for the setup, but blame Cliff and yourself as well. Cliff was a big boy, and he knew first hand that JR was an apex predator not to be messed with, but Cliff still chose to taunt the apex predator, and he got eaten alive. Cliff was too dumb, incompetent and blinded by trying to out-do the Ewings, to check more closely into the details of the deal, and he paid for it.
@@stormhawk3319 : Yup. JR usually saw Cliff as a “mouse nipping at the heal of a lion.” I was actually watching an episode last night of when Cliff was blackmailing, JR’s secretary, Sly, to give him information about deals that JR was working on, and Cliff stole two of JR deals out from under him. At that time JR was not even thinking about Cliff or messing with him, but Cliff couldn’t help but provoke and mess with JR. After that JR got Sly to work with him to set up Cliff to buy some expensive off-shore oil leases that almost caused Cliff to go bankrupt. But Cliff got lucky and ended up striking oil at the last minute, just before the banks could foreclose on his loans. But point is, yes, Cliff was usually more at fault at perpetuating the Barnes vs Ewing feud then JR was. JR considered Cliff a half-wit that he’d rather not even waste his time bothering with, but sometimes he had to slap Cliff down because he was provoked.
Calmați-va băieți, e doar un scenariu de film. Scriau scenariile după cum veneau sau plecau actorii,atunci pe loc. Este ca un joc, pe atunci nu se filozofa asa de mult în seriale. Relax, e doar un scenariu și atât.
@@justiceandtruth777 : Seems like you are the one that could “calm down” some. This being an online forum, people are going to discuss TV programs - sometimes discussing them passionately. We don’t need you to tell us they are just TV shows. We are fully aware of that. Nonetheless, we enjoy chatting and even arguing about them. No hall monitor necessary.
@@stormhawk3319agree Cliff use his mother funds to try to beat JR but He felt Loosing his mother was the icing on the Cake Cliff Barnes was no match for JR Cliff And Rebecca has money and power but JR had money and Brains he was always 2 steps ahead of Cliff JR was breaking millionaires and billionaires he had their money in his pocket trying to destroy him Bobby use to sit back and Laugh at them trying to take JR On including Cliff
A man that did what he had to do to keep the family fortune coming in. JR Never got the credit he deserved and was always being shot down by his Family.
@@jackthomas6952 Miss Ellie should have married Digger Barnes. She was NEVER a faithful Ewing. Always a true rattlesnake, even against her own sons. Especially JR. Ellie was an absolute disgrace to the Ewing name. I'm glad JR always showed her the disrespect she earned.
@@keenakaur6314oh FFS! What would you have her do? Completely excuse and condone JR’s most vicious and hideous deeds? all in all, she was exceptionally loving and tolerant of all her children, Including JR… when she *occasionally* reprimanded JR, he more than deserved it…
Sal Paradise Katherine would never have helped Cliff. She didn’t like her mother giving parts of the Wentworth estate to Cliff and Pam. She felt that was all her birthright.
Sal Paradise: The problem was "backing Cliff"... Cliff he proved many times that he was an incompetent, who wasn't a match for JR. "Backing" him was a mistake. Rebecca was clueless and thought money was all you needed to beat JR. Takes a lot more than money to beat JR. Katherine's character should have been around longer. She was wicked and willing to get down in the mudd to win. If Katherine had all the Wentworth fortune, she at least had the ruthlessness and cunning to have been an interesting enemy and/or alley of JR for more years.
I got so tired of Pam and Rebecca, and then Afton blaming everybody else for Cliff's actions. J.R. was a ruthless snake in the grass, but guess what, he was honest about it. Cliff stayed trying to keep up with J.R., and ALWAYS failed. What happened between Digger and Jock, was between them, but Cliff, like the idiot he was took up his dads fight. And any long time Dallas fan knows that Jock didn't do anything to Digger. Digger (like his son) was a drunk, a loser, and his own worst enemy. Cliff never took responsibility for his own actions, he always blamed J.R.. Noone told him to steal from his mothers company. Cliff could have been very successful, but he couldn't let go of his hatred for the Ewing's.
Correct. Digger’s worst enemy wasn’t Jock but alcohol, and like any alcoholic “it’s everyone’s fault but mine”. Cliff, not an alcoholic, stupidly made a personal vendetta created in his fathers head.
J.R. was absolutely right about Cliff, but Ellie was too blind to see it. Not one of them could effectively argue against J.R. on the issue of Cliff, who would have been fine if he'd only been able to leave J.R. and his family alone. From the early seasons on, J.R. didn't start anything. It was always Cliff swearing to avenge his "daddy", which was also based on greed.
your right Cliff only had to leave The Ewings alone. but also even if he did and Cliff did what he could to build up his own company if JR and Cliff were bidding on a deal hopeing ti win it.....JR would have done anything to make sure Cliff didn't win. JR doesn't play fair when comes to bussiness.
I think the show had a serious problem with strong female characters until the final season. Pam was also strong , fiesty and independent in the first season then the writers made her into a weak ,needy neurotic female who could only be fulfilled by a relationship or a child. Same with Donna . Rebecca should have been kept as the patriarch of the Barnes she was more then a match for JR and Miss Elllie was a weak character , JR literally told her to go to hell and she took it Jock would have destroyed him.
I agree I wish they did not kill off Rebecca. Pam and Cliff and their Momma back. And if Cliff could have stop falling for J.R. traps. They could have built a powerful Wentworth/Barnes Empire.
@James Murphy : I agree that Rebecca was clueless. She thought money is all you needed to beat JR. Well, only someone clueless and ignorant of JR would think that. It's not just about money. JR was JR because he was not only smart and cunning, but he was ruthless and willing to do whatever he had to do to win. That's one reason why he almost always won. He would have broken Rebecca. Plus, if she wants to blame someone for what happened to Cliff, she should blame Cliff and herself. She gave Cliff money and power in spite of Pam warning her.. Plus Rebecca kicked Cliff while he was down by not giving him hope they could still be Mother and son after he embezzled the money.
@@new_yawker901 She was just another Barnes LOSER. Just like Pam. I wish we could've seen her burn in that car wreck. Would've been the absolute greatest moment in television history. BURN BABY BURN!!! And by all means, let us see Rebecca, go down in that plane and EXPLODE on impact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
I was wondering why his mother looked vaguely familiar. She was Ms. Chadwick on Mommy Dearest. Which makes sense because this was around that time. The RICHHHHHHHHHH Ewings
Cold ??? She has every right to fire her son for embezzling funds from his own momma's company embezzling is a serious offense Rebecca could've file charges against Cliff he used his own momma for his own selfishness she trusted her own son to run her company by making him president of Wentworth Tool and Dye and you have the audacity to say that Rebecca was cold to Cliff ?
It's a real shame, that this storyline, with Rebecca Wentworth attempting to destroy, the Ewing family, was not brought to fruition with the plot lines of that season of Dallas!!!
Lol! He committed a crime, embezzled money. Then his idiot mom makes him resign and when he pleads to keep their personal relationship she coldly cuts him off, then blames JR? The mom is terrible. Think it had something to with you mommy?
You know Rebecca blamed everything on J.R. but she was very hard on Cliff , and so was Sue Ellen ! They BOTH told him they never wanted to see him again !
AzDuffman: True. Cliff was a big boy, and he knew first hand that JR was an apex predator not to be messed with, but Cliff still chose to taught the apex predator, and he got eaten alive. And if there is any blame to be given to anyone but Cliff, then Rebecca is just a guilty as JR. She gave Cliff money and power even though she was warned by Pam against it. Plus, Rebecca also rejected Cliff at the end when he expressed remorse and agreed to resign, and just want them to try and repair their relationship, but she just kicked him in the teeth while he was already down.
Now I get that if she would have never left, he wouldn't have done what he did, but she left and he tried to commit suicide....then she came to his rescue....Blaming it on JR?....No, if she would have said, "Cliff, I love you and you made a mistake, but I won't leave you AGAIN...….We have finally found each other.....I blame her, not JR....
Rebecca's was being a bitch here and being selfish She fired cliff and told him she didn't care if the deal was fake or not. She even breaks off her relationship with her own son ....again. then he commits suicide and she blames JR? GTFOH. .. she felt guilty so she blamed jr for cliff making the choice to swallow pills Rebecca was responsible so instead she Blames JR. Selfish bitch cliffs agreed is what hurt him
It wld have made all the difference in the world had Rebecca turned n said to him "Cliff you have seriously disappointed me and let me down, but you will always be my son.....Give me a few days to put your disappointment in perspective, I will be in touch".......I have 6 children & if children will do nothing else, they will teach you the true meaning of unconditional love.
“If that man is dying, it’s because of his own greed, not me.” At this point, however out of character it was, Miss Ellie should’ve given J.R. THE BIGGEST slap he ever got.
Keep in mind that same man as in Cliff Barnes just two years earlier tried to railroad Jock Ewing into jail on a bogus murder charge. I can only guess Miss Ellie forgot that seminal point
Mark Vattes I noticed that in his delivery when this show first aired in the Spring of ‘82. After all these years it’s good to see someone else noticed it.
what i find interesting is jock taught jr everything he knew about wheeling and dealing and how to bring a weak man to his knees but miss.ellie refuse to acknowledge jocks cold and insensitive side...that was displayed many times....when he told her she was over stepping her place when discussing giving southfork to her brother garison...totally dismissing her when she challenged him regarding his supposed platonic relationship with julie gray high tailed it over to ewing oil after her women's intuition allowed her to see through julie's bullshit n told jock its u who always insists the family is together at dinner time...now i'm insisting 6 o clock..dnt 4get n jock turns n tells her nonchalantly...i'm sorry miss. ellie but i've got other plans...
I couldn't even believe the audacity that Ms. Ellie was showing. You would really just give away your house like that, and to give it to a person in Garrison who was presumed dead after 40 years. He was never around for the tough years, he bailed, and then he comes back, you forgive me like it never happened? Give me a break for the love of god. Garrison her brother in my view DESERVED NOTHING, not one dime from the Ewings, he didn't deserve the house, he didn't deserve ABSOULETELY nothing. He bailed when things got tough.
Derek Mathews - you are right - it was Ewing money that saved Southfork when they were going under. No wonder Jock was furious that Ellie would just offer to give the family home away.
Rebecca never make good on that promise and always thought it it was about how much money you had but it wasn’t, nobody was as smart as JR he was always 10 steps of ahead of everyone
The Harp Music was also used when JR told Valene to `Leave`. Also she should have said, Ì know you have alot of anger towards me for abandoning you and I apologized, gave you a Job in My Empire and this is how your repay me.
The one time I almost felt sorry for Cliff. Then again, he played right into JR’s hand, and stupidly used his mom’s company to try and take down the Ewings as a vendetta. The speech JR gave Cliff before his attempted suicide was priceless…..and a wee bit ruthless.
What bothered me was first the Voting shares storyline was dumb but also the family's short memory. JR should have reminded Ellie and the rest of the family how Cliff dedicated his life to making life hell for the Ewings including trying to have Jock convicted of murder. They should not have cared what JR did to Cliff.
I also worked with a guy who got Murdered! That feeling came back again of emptiness and void! Never gets easy to know someone, then they are Dead. Never Forget Them who I knew that are Dead. R.I.P. to all the people I knew that were killed! 51 years old now and still cannot shake the memories of people that I knew, to only be killed. Murder, or Suicide. I still miss them.✝️🙏✝️
NOW.. wait a minute Rebeca just earlier this season you practically begged Cliff to accept your love ...And now you want to dump him like a bad habit..?? It is obvious you did not really know Cliff...!!
@@willisapril And I am sure she would be surprised by Katherine's behavior too..!! XD Percilla Pointer was also on Knots Landing as the woman who stalked Ginger !! XD
Mrs. Ellie is losing her mind, she's as soft as Bobby was. How do you blame JR for Cliffs greed & weakness, while ignoring the fact that Cliff's lifelong ambition was to destroy the Ewings. He got what he deserved.
Yes, but that was the intrigue of the story-line. It was always Cliff going up against JR and then getting slapped down. The show had a way of making you forget that Cliff was instigating the feud all the time because JR's revenge was always do devastating and poignant. The different story lines involving all this were actually well written.
@@deraldhamilton8132 : Yeah, while JR was totally wrong for what he did, he was right when he said that Cliff's own greed is what made him embezzle money from WIntworth. JR didn't force him to do that. JR was also right when he said it was Cliff's won stupidity and incompetence that made him go into a deal that he didn't check & double check.
Cliff Barnes was/is responsible for his own actions. Nobody forced him to do anything. Technically and officially, JR IS right. I wonder if JR votes Republican?
@@malcolml309 when bobby was elected state senator bobby was nominated by the democratic party. When Jr was building gasoline stations the local Democrats asked Jr to run as a Democrat in the U.s. senate election and take the nomination away from dave Culver. JR and jock supported Martin coke for state Senate in 1978 Cole was a Republican but they donated money to dave Culver So the ewings supported both parties as Jr said " the ewings are always on the side of power no matter the politics "
Larry was the madman of Malibu. What a life. Two bottles of champagne drank before almost every filming day on Dallas. Half-drunk for every scene in I Dream of Jeannie. Kept boozing and doing drugs even after his liver transplant. When he died his refrigerator was found packed full of pot brownies. Alcohol and addiction is nothing to glorify, I get that, but damn. The man partied like a 20 year old right up to age 81.
He stated that he quit drinking when the doctor told him to or he would be dead in 6 months. Then he got a liver transplant. He said he didn’t drink after that.
Il y a 40 ans , je visitais paris avec ma classe , une ville qui se trouve à 1 heure de Lille en train...et j'ai vu cette actrice qui joue le rôle de la maman de cliff...elle nous regardait en faisant chut avec son doigt pour ne pas créer une émeute !
Because she was an ignorant, weak POS. Bobby would've driven Ewing Oil into the ground at only a slightly slower pace than pussy Gary. Jock and JR were the true Gods of Ewing Oil and the Ewing Empire.
@@kewanw16 JR didn't force Cliff to embezzle funds from the company. Nor is it JR's fault that Cliff didn't thoroughly check to see if the deal was on the up and up. Cliff attempted suicide cause he was a weak man JR had nothing to do with it
“No we did it to him Jr and if Cliff dies, I don’t think that I will ever marry you. But first, I have to go to the beauty salon and get a mullet cut!” lol
Years later Linda Grey said the producers gave her a hard time about her drastic haircut and she was like "what do you want me to do about it...wear a wig...hair extensions?" In hindsight, she was the trend setter. A couple of yrs later, VP and Susan Howard cut their hair short...it became fashionable at that time. So Kuddos to LG!
Larry Hagman was so brilliant. Check out 2:29 when he hears Cliff tried to kill himself, he immediately opens his mouth as if to make a smart remark but catches himself instantly, not because he doesn't want to say it, but he knows it'll twist the knife in even more if he doesn't say something.
JR showed no remorse. He did warn cliff to stay away from suellen . He told cliff he would destroy him. JR is very very dangerous man.cliff didnt listen
Daaaamn, that operator wasn't very interested in answering that 911 call...that woman waits for ages for someone to pick up the call. HAHA! PS: Did Miss Ellie do something else other than drink coffee?
You know something, the Barnes are full of it. The Barnes are the reason for the Barnes stupidity. Cliff Barnes has ALWAYS been arrogant, and that arrogance is the reason why he does stupid things. This situation is not JR's fault, not even close to it. I don't care what his mother says about him being a cold person, not everything is JR's fault. This is on Cliff Barnes. What more than likely happened is when he spent his mother's money on the company, and it backfired, he felt so guilty, that HE tried to kill himself all by himself. JR didn't give him the pills, he took pills by himself. Cliff Barnes at the end of the day is his own worst enemy, and his obsession with beating the Ewings is another reason why he attempted to commit suicide. He just could never do it, and he always brought in second, and third parties to help him do his dirty work.
Yes, of course Cliff did it himself, but everyone blamed Big Bad JR for stomping on poor little Cliff, the same Cliff who earlier this SAME season tried to ruin Ewing Oil and felt ZERO remorse for it and he even said it to Miss Ellie's face. JR is correct here.
Miss Ellie is wrong here, and JR is correct. JR was right about a lot of things in the original season, people just didn't want to listen. They blamed him for EVERYTHING, and that got on my nerves. Everybody in that family has done something scandalous, but they think it's all JR. Anybody who would ruin Ewing Oil, and not feel bad about it is nothing but a heartless person.
Ellie's short memory is what bothered me. Like did she forget the hell Cliff put the Ewings through including trying to have Jock convicted of murder. She and the rest of the family should not have cared what JR did to Cliff. It always bothered me that JR never had anyone in his corner.
That bothered me too LBF. My problem with the Ewing family is that EVERYBODY pretends they are perfect. Miss Ellie, Bobby, Pam, Sue Ellen, Ray, Donna, Lucy, everybody, and I guarantee you they ALL have done something scandalous. Bobby acts so damn self-righteous, it's pathetic. I still remember the fact that Pam actually kidnapped John Ross, and Bobby just looked right past that. Sue Ellen with her alcoholism, and I'm sure she had at least 2 affairs. I mean, I just wish they would own up to the things that they have done. Own up to it, you expected JR too, why not you? People in this family with their self-righteousness get on my damn nerves. It's annoying.
Derek Mathews Yes absolutely! Bobby was a crappy brother. Your wife kidnaps your brother's son and you are on her side? I would have disowned Bobby after that. I liked the Ewings better in the mini series. They all darker sides and that was much better than the hypocrites they were later. And Ray who had an affair with JR's then under aged niece and a night night stand with JR's wife was in no position to act morally superior to JR. Also on Bobby, I know we the viewers were supposed to root for him but I saw him as a bully and a thug who was more loyal to Cliff and Pamela than to his own family. Sorry for the rants but the way they acted toward JR always got on my nerves. Jock assigning voting shares to Gary, Ray, and to Lucy was stupid.
I have to admit I got sick and tired of the barnes family playing the victims all the time digger kept saying jock stole from him Jock didn't to a damn thing to digger he tried to protect digger too many times cliff was the same way the only barnes that was worth a damn was pam and not just because of her beauty but because she never bought in to the victim mentality.
Back when Dallas was good. I've been binge watching recently and am on the 9th season, the infamous Dream Season, and thee latter seasons just weren't as good.
Cliff Barnes aka Ken Kercheval and JR Ewing aka Larry Hagman were without doubt the best arch enemies on the PLANET...R.I.P to you both gentlemen. I am on Season 5 (again) of Dallas, and am relishing the anticipation of the first of many put downs that JR exercised on his enemy.. Dallas is/was and always will be the GREATEST TV SHOW EVER MADE. Nothing then/Now and in the future will ever TOP this once in a lifetime show. May I thank Mr David Jacobs for giving us this TV Gold.
I’m rewatching all the seasons, I’m in season 10, it’s been a BLAST!
Dallas- once in a lifetime excellent show and cast. Never to be replicated again.
Man this show was freaking fantastic! I wish I could go back in time and do it all over again. I loved watching this show growing up.
I just found the whole series on Amazon Prime video and I'm binge watching it right now 😂 it really is so good.
So true. I mean, we can always stream the entire series anytime we want to, but it would be even sweeter if we could go back in time and do it all live all over again. Having to wait an entire week to see the next episode used to drive me crazy with anticipation. 😅
ABSOLUTELY THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH THEN AND NOW......Nothing will ever come close.....Acting, storylines, writing, directing, etc.....
@LG I also agree. I LOVE 💗 Knots Landing.
I also Love the Waltons.
THE SOPRANOS!!!
NO MORE NEED BE SAID EVER!!!
We had a few good Drama’s back then. There was better programs back then, the writing, directors and actors. These shows had the quality of Oscar winning performances. Now, television programs and movies are just plain terrible.
Agreed
This show was So addicting. Once you started, you just couldn’t stop watching.
LG I still watched it.
LG I must say it was hard to have a favorite show back then. There were So many good shows to choose from. Dallas, The Waltons, Family, Rich Man Poor Man, The White Shadow and St. Elsewhere. They all had good writers, directors, story lines and of course the actors. It was an exceptional time for television. I still prefer these to what is on TV in this millennium. I hate reality shows.
My husband and I are hooked now
2/5/24
It shows true life in business and personal life and the choices humans make. The good side and bad sides. Most were good characters with the exception of JR playing both sides. It gets a little out their near the last few seasons, but you are still drawn in to the characters and story lines. JR never learns like Miss. Ellie told him in early episodes.
R I P Larry Hagman and now
R i p Ken kercheval
R I P Barbara Bel Geddes
thank you Ken, for 14 seasons of being a terrific artist. Rest Well in Heaven, and thank you for Cliff B.
How do you know Ken made it to Heaven, just out of curiosity? Do you know for a fact that he was a Born Again Christian that accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and repented from his sins? Because that's the only way one makes it to Heaven and the road is very narrow. Don't get me wrong, I hope Ken made it but according to The Holy Bible, the odds that he did are extremely long. Same for all of us.
You are right. Ken is great. I am watching Dallas now for the first time in 30 years. And back then, I undervalued Ken and his acting ability. But now, I think that he was great. And back then I sided with JR, and I thought of Ken as a pest. Whereas today, I see so many negative qualities of JR in my own uncles, brother, and sister.
Just watching this gives me negative flashbacks of my own manipulative, deceptive, and evil family members.
Biden is a idiot along with liberals
@@reneep9972 Who are you to judge others? How about you get the speck out of your own eye? So much for, "Judge not lest ye be judged" which is a fine example of how most xtians such as yourself do not practice what you preach. What arrogant and self-righteous people you are.
FYI, I was once a xtian myself. I once shared your xtian beliefs (ancient superstitious ignorance) however that was back when I did not know any better. And before you tell or ask me why I am making statements based on biblical scripture since I am not a christian, I am reminding you about what you claim and what you believe in.
Like all other religions your belief is based on a "Man Made" book. It is NOT based on FACT. Tell me. How much more time is going to have to pass (such as days, weeks, months, years, decades, and centuries) until you xtians figure out that jesus is never coming back?
You also made this statement: "Same for all of us."
Speak for yourself Renee P. You do not speak for me or anyone else period. Your xtian beliefs are based on fear mongering and control. I am not one bit afraid of your imaginary sky daddy. I am not guilty of original sin and if it turns out that your xtian god is real I still reject him/it.
@@Stephaniewashere Jesus absolutely DID die for our sins. But did Ken accept Jesus as Lord? Did he lead an absolute perfect life after that? Because according to thousands of people with near-death experiences, there are very many people in Hell right now that thought they were saved, and loved Jesus, but still went to that absolutely unthinkable, and totally unjust place. NO human being that has ever lived, deserves an eternal punishment like hideous Hell. Not even Hitler. Not even Hillary Clinton.
Will never forget the scene when Cliff found his mom and bought candy that he remembered she liked from when he was a child before she left he and Pam!A great scene!
That scene almost brought me in tears
@Astacia Mckinnis Me Too.😭
I miss this show, it was so good.
When Rebecca died, J.R. said, "That should have been Cliff Barnes on that plane, not his momma".
they should of both of been on that plane
What a son of a b.... !
@@brunoottina293 Yes. Cliff was a SOB
@@latinguy67 JR too !
@@latinguy67 IT was a Sight
It was not the Ewing's fault not even JR's. It was Cliff's own selfish greed. That's what Rebecca told Cliff when she fired him! The Barnes' including Pam, always played that pity party. Very frustrating.
WTF are you talking about, it's JR fault 99%
J.R. Tells the truth with a smirk, savage. 😂
I wished they kept the actress on that played Cliff's mother. She gave balance.
Priscilla Pointer.
I say this again, Cliff Barnes was his own worst enemy
Yep. He should have moved on with life. He was a good guy, but hate for JR totally consumed him. Cliff should have made a life with Afton.
That's right ole Cliff Barnes didn't wanna believe the truth that his worthless daddy Digger Barnes was a drunk and a bum and a shit father to him and Pam leaving them to be raised by their Aunt Maggie. Jock tried to take care of Digger but Digger was butthurt jealous of Jock.
Well, I understand your point, but I would have to say that Cliff Barnes was his own second worse enemy. J. R. Ewing was definitely Cliff's worst enemy.
J. R. hated him more than anyone else!
PrincessA Cliff could have been very successful but his obsessive hatred of the Ewings kept getting in the way.
@@itsmylife842 : JR probably wouldn't have given Cliff much thought most times if Cliff didn't keep trying to nip at his heels. In fact, at one point I recall JR describing his feud with Cliff as an ' Mouse nipping at the legs of a Lion ' or something close to that... Cliff had many chances to move on with his life, but he let his obsession rule him, and destroy his relationships...etc. All this, only to find out later that Jock didn't actually cheat Digger out of anything. Hate and revenge is a waist of energy, and it gives the person you hate an indirect power over you because you are living your life consumed by that hate, rather than just living your life. Cliff was his own worst enemy.
Hard core. J.R. always knew how to take things to another level.
The show Dallas was the beginning of some of the best times of television. It created a new catergory, evening soap operas. It was the times for great producers. Dallas had a cliff hanger, unforgettable moment in television. " Who Shot JR Ewing." It kept the audience on the end of its seat waiting for shoe to fall.
Peyton Place
If she didn't get killed in the plane crash, I think Rebecca would've been a thorn in JR side.
They should have kept Rebecca. They also should have kept Lucy & Mitch as a strong-healthy couple to balance the Ewings. Lucy be like Bobby. She had sense about people.
As well as kept Ray & Donna as the other strong/healthy power couple. Donna could have been utilized more such as at Ewing oil to balance Bobby & JR. I wonder if they had to let characters go to get Elvis's ex wife? If so, it wasn't worth it. Katherine could have been normal not crazy. The Barnes needed to be unified like the Ewings to really make it an interesting fued. But they took Rebecca, Afton, Katherine & Pam characters away from Cliff...boring. They could have had Cliff keep pursuing Sue Ellen or be a good friend, especially when J.R. was seeing women behind her back after the 2nd marriage. It drove J.R. bonkers...Cliff did not mind being used by Sue Ellen.
Marquirs Williams : I do not think Rebecca was capable of being a thorn in JR's side for more than a minute. If they had kept Rebecca around, JR would have turned her into the a penniless drunk like Digger and Cliff. She wouldn't have stood much chance of fighting JR for long, let alone actually beating him for good. JR always was willing to be ruthless to win. He'd cross lines that someone like Rebecca would never cross to win. Rebecca was clueless to think money is all you needed to beat JR. It's not just about money. JR was JR because he was not only smart and cunning, but he was ruthless and willing to do whatever he had to do to win. That's one reason why he almost always won. He would have broken Rebecca, just like he broke so many other people who actually had the hard bark on them that Rebecca didn't. Rebecca was a dolphin, and JR was a Killer Whale.
@@PlanetBlake How come he was scared to death when he found Rebecca and Clayton together? He always attacked Cliff and/or Pam to get to Rebecca. He never would have gone face to face with Rebecca.
@@friedchickenicedtea : This is a man who drove Edgar Randolph to attempt suicide just in order to get out from under JR’s blackmail. Then instead of being remorseful, JR went to Edgar Randolph’s hospital room and told him that if he ever committed suicide he’d still expose Edgar’s secret out of spite and to prove he always follows through on his threats.
If you want to believe JR would have coward to Rebecca, then that’s your right. Rebecca might of been able to get in a scratch or two initially, but JR would have broken her and turned her into a bankrupt drunk like Digger and Cliff. That fight would have been like a house cat going up against a Grizzly bear who doesn’t give a sh*t how he wins, he’s just going to win.
Very few characters on the show were capable of standing up to JR for long, and pretty much no one scared JR. He feared Jock. He feared Bobby, but really only in a physical fight. Jeramy Windell was one of his toughest adversaries because Windell could be ruthless too. Rebecca didn’t have the skills, heart or ruthlessness to standup to JR for long. JR would do whatever it took to get his way, Rebecca wasn’t that person. Being an angry Mom for a few weeks doesn’t make her a match for the monster that JR was for decades.
@@PlanetBlake Lex Luthor said to Clark: "Every man has a weakness, no matter how superhuman they might be." What is JR's?
This was DALLAS (1981-1982) fifth season finale. :)
Yep, one of my favorite seasons of this show
This is one of the greatest shows of all-time (just about up till season 10).
Hats off to Ken. Playing the role of Cliff had to be pretty hard! A master of the craft!
R.I.P. Ken Kercheval 😢
What happened to Cliff was tragic, but unfortunately (like many other Dallas characters), he played right into JR's hands. Cliff was very much in the mold of his self-pitying father Digger.
Back when TV shows were entertaining
Ellie made too many excuses for JR. Cliff didn't care about anyone or anything but himself. Pam was naive and blind when it came to Cliff. Cliff tried too hard to be a mini JR. NOT!
Rebecca was foolish. Blaming all the Ewing's family for JR's and her own son's failing and sins, was ridiculous. If JR / the Ewings were responsible for what happened to Cliff, then Rebecca was just as responsible for what happened to Cliff too. As I seem to recall, Pam even warned Rebecca not to give Cliff money & power, because Pam knew what Cliff would try and do with it.
Plus, even after telling Cliff to resign, Rebecca could have shown Cliff a little more mercy by giving Cliff hope she might still be able to mother to him like he pleaded. But she chose her own pride over giving her son the hope that he could redeem things eventually. Kicking him in the teeth while he was down, and that was the final thing that pushed him over the edge. He was already beaten down and humiliated, and Rebecca's final rejection helped him commit suicide more than what JR did. Cliff was accustomed to JR besting him and would have gotten past it, but losing his mother for good is what pushed him over the edge.
Want to blame someone Rebecca ? Fine, blame JR for the setup, but blame Cliff and yourself as well. Cliff was a big boy, and he knew first hand that JR was an apex predator not to be messed with, but Cliff still chose to taunt the apex predator, and he got eaten alive. Cliff was too dumb, incompetent and blinded by trying to out-do the Ewings, to check more closely into the details of the deal, and he paid for it.
Agreed. Cliff was his own worst enemy, not JR who couldn’t have cared less about him.
@@stormhawk3319 : Yup. JR usually saw Cliff as a “mouse nipping at the heal of a lion.”
I was actually watching an episode last night of when Cliff was blackmailing, JR’s secretary, Sly, to give him information about deals that JR was working on, and Cliff stole two of JR deals out from under him.
At that time JR was not even thinking about Cliff or messing with him, but Cliff couldn’t help but provoke and mess with JR.
After that JR got Sly to work with him to set up Cliff to buy some expensive off-shore oil leases that almost caused Cliff to go bankrupt. But Cliff got lucky and ended up striking oil at the last minute, just before the banks could foreclose on his loans.
But point is, yes, Cliff was usually more at fault at perpetuating the Barnes vs Ewing feud then JR was. JR considered Cliff a half-wit that he’d rather not even waste his time bothering with, but sometimes he had to slap Cliff down because he was provoked.
Calmați-va băieți, e doar un scenariu de film. Scriau scenariile după cum veneau sau plecau actorii,atunci pe loc. Este ca un joc, pe atunci nu se filozofa asa de mult în seriale. Relax, e doar un scenariu și atât.
@@justiceandtruth777 : Seems like you are the one that could “calm down” some. This being an online forum, people are going to discuss TV programs - sometimes discussing them passionately. We don’t need you to tell us they are just TV shows. We are fully aware of that. Nonetheless, we enjoy chatting and even arguing about them. No hall monitor necessary.
@@stormhawk3319agree Cliff use his mother funds to try to beat JR but He felt Loosing his mother was the icing on the Cake Cliff Barnes was no match for JR Cliff And Rebecca has money and power but JR had money and Brains he was always 2 steps ahead of Cliff JR was breaking millionaires and billionaires he had their money in his pocket trying to destroy him Bobby use to sit back and Laugh at them trying to take JR On including Cliff
Barbara Belle Geddes was so beautiful!
“He did it to himself.”
I always loved the episodes of Dallas when Ellie could see just what kind of a man that Jr is
A man that did what he had to do to keep the family fortune coming in. JR Never got the credit he deserved and was always being shot down by his Family.
JR was taught to be ruthless by Jock. Jock mellowed in his old age but he was ruthless when he was younger.
@@jackthomas6952 Miss Ellie should have married Digger Barnes. She was NEVER a faithful Ewing. Always a true rattlesnake, even against her own sons. Especially JR. Ellie was an absolute disgrace to the Ewing name. I'm glad JR always showed her the disrespect she earned.
@@keenakaur6314oh FFS! What would you have her do? Completely excuse and condone JR’s most vicious and hideous deeds? all in all, she was exceptionally loving and tolerant of all her children, Including JR… when she *occasionally* reprimanded JR, he more than deserved it…
Rebecca was killed off too soon. She should have stuck around with Katherine and those two could have backed Cliff and had a true family feud.
Sal Paradise Katherine would never have helped Cliff. She didn’t like her mother giving parts of the Wentworth estate to Cliff and Pam. She felt that was all her birthright.
@ Sal Paradise That is true
Katherine was still too good to let go. Making her just crazy was too easy.
Sal Paradise: The problem was "backing Cliff"... Cliff he proved many times that he was an incompetent, who wasn't a match for JR. "Backing" him was a mistake. Rebecca was clueless and thought money was all you needed to beat JR. Takes a lot more than money to beat JR. Katherine's character should have been around longer. She was wicked and willing to get down in the mudd to win. If Katherine had all the Wentworth fortune, she at least had the ruthlessness and cunning to have been an interesting enemy and/or alley of JR for more years.
@@PlanetBlake katherine was great. I loved Morgans two-face personality. Gone too soon.
I got so tired of Pam and Rebecca, and then Afton blaming everybody else for Cliff's actions. J.R. was a ruthless snake in the grass, but guess what, he was honest about it. Cliff stayed trying to keep up with J.R., and ALWAYS failed. What happened between Digger and Jock, was between them, but Cliff, like the idiot he was took up his dads fight. And any long time Dallas fan knows that Jock didn't do anything to Digger. Digger (like his son) was a drunk, a loser, and his own worst enemy. Cliff never took responsibility for his own actions, he always blamed J.R.. Noone told him to steal from his mothers company. Cliff could have been very successful, but he couldn't let go of his hatred for the Ewing's.
Correct. Digger’s worst enemy wasn’t Jock but alcohol, and like any alcoholic “it’s everyone’s fault but mine”. Cliff, not an alcoholic, stupidly made a personal vendetta created in his fathers head.
J.R. was absolutely right about Cliff, but Ellie was too blind to see it. Not one of them could effectively argue against J.R. on the issue of Cliff, who would have been fine if he'd only been able to leave J.R. and his family alone. From the early seasons on, J.R. didn't start anything. It was always Cliff swearing to avenge his "daddy", which was also based on greed.
your right Cliff only had to leave The Ewings alone. but also even if he did and Cliff did what he could to build up his own company if JR and Cliff were bidding on a deal hopeing ti win it.....JR would have done anything to make sure Cliff didn't win. JR doesn't play fair when comes to bussiness.
True
bursting in and interrupting Miss. ellie's tea break...
Chase Jackson the best!!!!!
Rebecca was the best part of the Barnes clan. I think the show made a mistake when they killed her off in 1983.
She and Katherine. She came after her.
Joel Felan I agree.
I think the show had a serious problem with strong female characters until the final season. Pam was also strong , fiesty and independent in the first season then the writers made her into a weak ,needy neurotic female who could only be fulfilled by a relationship or a child. Same with Donna . Rebecca should have been kept as the patriarch of the Barnes she was more then a match for JR and Miss Elllie was a weak character , JR literally told her to go to hell and she took it Jock would have destroyed him.
I agree I wish they did not kill off Rebecca. Pam and Cliff and their Momma back. And if Cliff could have stop falling for J.R. traps. They could have built a powerful Wentworth/Barnes Empire.
@James Murphy : I agree that Rebecca was clueless. She thought money is all you needed to beat JR. Well, only someone clueless and ignorant of JR would think that. It's not just about money. JR was JR because he was not only smart and cunning, but he was ruthless and willing to do whatever he had to do to win. That's one reason why he almost always won. He would have broken Rebecca. Plus, if she wants to blame someone for what happened to Cliff, she should blame Cliff and herself. She gave Cliff money and power in spite of Pam warning her.. Plus Rebecca kicked Cliff while he was down by not giving him hope they could still be Mother and son after he embezzled the money.
Rebecca was a great character. They should have kept her on. She was Cliff's saving grace in combatting JR and Ewing Oil.
Agreed!!!!
@@new_yawker901 She was just another Barnes LOSER. Just like Pam. I wish we could've seen her burn in that car wreck. Would've been the absolute greatest moment in television history. BURN BABY BURN!!! And by all means, let us see Rebecca, go down in that plane and EXPLODE on impact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
What an actor! ..notice at 3:44 when he says "because of his own greed" ..you can see the evil in his eyes and hear it in his sinister voice
larry hagman? god speed to you? rip. a fine actor.
I love all these actors . Miss them very much .
When Linda Grey,got her hairstyle changed while at the hospital waiting at Cliff bed side the following season lol.
I've noticed that JRs voice tone is very sinister whenever he speaks coldly to others. Never thought he'd speak that way to his own mother!
She was out of line, JR was a chip off the old block, Jock he was.
Brilliant tv show
I was wondering why his mother looked vaguely familiar. She was Ms. Chadwick on Mommy Dearest. Which makes sense because this was around that time. The RICHHHHHHHHHH Ewings
At the time she appeared on Dallas, she was also Steven Spielberg's mother-in-law. Her daughter Amy Irving was married to Spielberg at the time.
And she played in Carrie, as the mother to Amy Irving...who also started in as well.
RIP Ken Kercheval
Rebecca was cold to Cliff
She sure was.
Cold ??? She has every right to fire her son for embezzling funds from his own momma's company embezzling is a serious offense Rebecca could've file charges against Cliff he used his own momma for his own selfishness she trusted her own son to run her company by making him president of Wentworth Tool and Dye and you have the audacity to say that Rebecca was cold to Cliff ?
It's a real shame, that this storyline, with Rebecca Wentworth attempting to destroy, the Ewing family, was not brought to fruition with the plot lines of that season of Dallas!!!
She died before she could make good on that threat!
Like JR said, Cliff was dumber than dirt!!!!
Lol
Lol! He committed a crime, embezzled money. Then his idiot mom makes him resign and when he pleads to keep their personal relationship she coldly cuts him off, then blames JR? The mom is terrible. Think it had something to with you mommy?
"Well you don't know it yet but you won't be able to do that." Wow it was very rare that JR spoke disrespectfully to Miss Ellie like that.
JR needed to be punched in the stomach
Miss Ellie was such a hypocrite. She let Jock raise him to be ruthless.
Well....Jock wasn't around...that's the only reason.
@@4nlover635 Bobby already punched JR in the gut about ten different times.
@@jeffw1267,I wonder why JR couldn't take it?
You know Rebecca blamed everything on J.R. but she was very hard on Cliff , and so was Sue Ellen ! They BOTH told him they never wanted to see him again !
This show was before my time and I'm just starting to watch it. I absolutely love it
Miss Ellie finally realized what a callous, despicable person JR truly was here.
ellie sat at southfork not understanding the business world and how ruthless it could be she could be conned but thats her charm too
Jock would have shook JRs hand and told him well done
Surprised JR didn't pull the cord while he was in the room
This was when the show still did good storylines. Cliff was greedy, arrogant, and stupid. JR used all of that against him. He was the perfect loser.
Exactly! He was definitely the perfect failure.
To be fair, Cliff did ultimately defeat JR in the end.
Being in a Mexican Prison is winning?
AzDuffman: True. Cliff was a big boy, and he knew first hand that JR was an apex predator not to be messed with, but Cliff still chose to taught the apex predator, and he got eaten alive. And if there is any blame to be given to anyone but Cliff, then Rebecca is just a guilty as JR. She gave Cliff money and power even though she was warned by Pam against it. Plus, Rebecca also rejected Cliff at the end when he expressed remorse and agreed to resign, and just want them to try and repair their relationship, but she just kicked him in the teeth while he was already down.
@@malcolml309 oui et il lui a pris sa femme Sue Ellen lolll...Jr fini ds un asile pour fou
Barbara Bel Geddes (Miss Ellie) the best 😍👍
R I P BARBARA BEL GEDDES 🕯
JR was right. Cliff was always a feather brain.
Now I get that if she would have never left, he wouldn't have done what he did, but she left and he tried to commit suicide....then she came to his rescue....Blaming it on JR?....No, if she would have said, "Cliff, I love you and you made a mistake, but I won't leave you AGAIN...….We have finally found each other.....I blame her, not JR....
Rebecca's was being a bitch here and being selfish
She fired cliff and told him she didn't care if the deal was fake or not. She even breaks off her relationship with her own son ....again. then he commits suicide and she blames JR? GTFOH. .. she felt guilty so she blamed jr for cliff making the choice to swallow pills
Rebecca was responsible so instead she Blames JR. Selfish bitch
cliffs agreed is what hurt him
Cliff did ask for it...JR just helped him ..lol
JR speaking facts about cliff Barnes he didn’t force him to embezzle money he did all that to himself
It wld have made all the difference in the world had Rebecca turned n said to him "Cliff you have seriously disappointed me and let me down, but you will always be my son.....Give me a few days to put your disappointment in perspective, I will be in touch".......I have 6 children & if children will do nothing else, they will teach you the true meaning of unconditional love.
Awesome show
That show was so AWSOME!
Rebecca spoke #FACTS to Ellie about her and JR.
J.R/Larry Hagman had a cold during this
“If that man is dying, it’s because of his own greed, not me.”
At this point, however out of character it was, Miss Ellie should’ve given J.R. THE BIGGEST slap he ever got.
Keep in mind that same man as in Cliff Barnes just two years earlier tried to railroad Jock Ewing into jail on a bogus murder charge. I can only guess Miss Ellie forgot that seminal point
The actual title of the episode was "Good-bye, Cliff Barnes?" with a Question Mark at the end
In addition to being cold, as Miss Ellie points out, JR also appears to have a “cold” in these scenes.
Mark Vattes I noticed that in his delivery when this show first aired in the Spring of ‘82. After all these years it’s good to see someone else noticed it.
what i find interesting is jock taught jr everything he knew about wheeling and dealing and how to bring a weak man to his knees but miss.ellie refuse to acknowledge jocks cold and insensitive side...that was displayed many times....when he told her she was over stepping her place when discussing giving southfork to her brother garison...totally dismissing her when she challenged him regarding his supposed platonic relationship with julie gray high tailed it over to ewing oil after her women's intuition allowed her to see through julie's bullshit n told jock its u who always insists the family is together at dinner time...now i'm insisting 6 o clock..dnt 4get n jock turns n tells her nonchalantly...i'm sorry miss. ellie but i've got other plans...
I couldn't even believe the audacity that Ms. Ellie was showing. You would really just give away your house like that, and to give it to a person in Garrison who was presumed dead after 40 years. He was never around for the tough years, he bailed, and then he comes back, you forgive me like it never happened? Give me a break for the love of god. Garrison her brother in my view DESERVED NOTHING, not one dime from the Ewings, he didn't deserve the house, he didn't deserve ABSOULETELY nothing. He bailed when things got tough.
Derek Mathews - you are right - it was Ewing money that saved Southfork when they were going under. No wonder Jock was furious that Ellie would just offer to give the family home away.
Rebecca never make good on that promise and always thought it it was about how much money you had but it wasn’t, nobody was as smart as JR he was always 10 steps of ahead of everyone
miss Ellie has amnesia
cliff tried to frame jock for murder
cliff used those loans to hurt Ewing oil
"You're a cold and insensitive man, J.R." What about Cliff's mother? Sounds pretty accurate for her.
I always wondered what Jock would have done in this situation. I'm guessing he would have agreed with JR Cliff did it to himself
@Will,
Cliff did do to himself.
Miss Ellie is wrong about JR,
He's actually very kind and caring. 🙂
The Harp Music was also used when JR told Valene to `Leave`. Also she should have said, Ì know you have alot of anger towards me for abandoning you and I apologized, gave you a Job in My Empire and this is how your repay me.
"I'M GOING TO BREAK THE EWING FAMILY" Many Tried But None Succeeded👎The Ewings Were DIAMONDS In Dallas And Only The STRONG Survived👍
I have heard that one several times.
The one time I almost felt sorry for Cliff. Then again, he played right into JR’s hand, and stupidly used his mom’s company to try and take down the Ewings as a vendetta. The speech JR gave Cliff before his attempted suicide was priceless…..and a wee bit ruthless.
What bothered me was first the Voting shares storyline was dumb but also the family's short memory. JR should have reminded Ellie and the rest of the family how Cliff dedicated his life to making life hell for the Ewings including trying to have Jock convicted of murder. They should not have cared what JR did to Cliff.
Agreed but in Miss Ellie's eyes Cliff was Pam's brother. And the knowlege that her son had driven someone to attempt suicide.
I also worked with a guy who got Murdered! That feeling came back again of emptiness and void! Never gets easy to know someone, then they are Dead. Never Forget Them who I knew that are Dead. R.I.P. to all the people I knew that were killed! 51 years old now and still cannot shake the memories of people that I knew, to only be killed. Murder, or Suicide. I still miss them.✝️🙏✝️
"I couldn't stand the I-dea of him being with Sue Ellen"
As cold hearted as JR was he loved Sue Ellen in his own wicked way and it's so obvious why he can't stand anyone else going near her.
@@alphabogeyman7462 I also think he couldn't stand the thought of another man raising his son, let alone Cliff Barnes.
NOW.. wait a minute Rebeca just earlier this season you practically begged Cliff to accept your love ...And now you want to dump him like a bad habit..?? It is obvious you did not really know Cliff...!!
Can't blame her though. He stole money from her company. She even said she would have called the authorities had he not been her son.
It is nice to be agreed with ..The scene with the liqerish at the start of this season between Cliff and his mother really touched me...!!
@@willisapril And I am sure she would be surprised by Katherine's behavior too..!! XD Percilla Pointer was also on Knots Landing as the woman who stalked Ginger !! XD
Mrs. Ellie is losing her mind, she's as soft as Bobby was. How do you blame JR for Cliffs greed & weakness, while ignoring the fact that Cliff's lifelong ambition was to destroy the Ewings. He got what he deserved.
I agree with that by the way.
Yes, but that was the intrigue of the story-line. It was always Cliff going up against JR and then getting slapped down. The show had a way of making you forget that Cliff was instigating the feud all the time because JR's revenge was always do devastating and poignant. The different story lines involving all this were actually well written.
Your a cold and insensitive man JR. Takes a strong woman to say that to her own son especially if it’s true. What a cold blooded man that JR.
Yep. J.R. was a cold blooded son of a bitch. He was also right.
@@deraldhamilton8132 : Yeah, while JR was totally wrong for what he did, he was right when he said that Cliff's own greed is what made him embezzle money from WIntworth. JR didn't force him to do that. JR was also right when he said it was Cliff's won stupidity and incompetence that made him go into a deal that he didn't check & double check.
JR Was right again...
"JR set him up"! For the umpteenth time. Expected JR to comment on Cliffs suicide attempt: "He couldn't even do that right"!
Cliff Barnes was/is responsible for his own actions. Nobody forced him to do anything.
Technically and officially, JR IS right. I wonder if JR votes Republican?
JR lives in Texas; it's a relatively safe bet, that he would've voted Republican.
@@malcolml309 when bobby was elected state senator bobby was nominated by the democratic party.
When Jr was building gasoline stations the local Democrats asked Jr to run as a Democrat in the U.s. senate election and take the nomination away from dave Culver.
JR and jock supported Martin coke for state Senate in 1978 Cole was a Republican but they donated money to dave Culver
So the ewings supported both parties as Jr said " the ewings are always on the side of power no matter the politics "
@@jasonraczkowski6001 I stand corrected.
Larry was the madman of Malibu. What a life. Two bottles of champagne drank before almost every filming day on Dallas. Half-drunk for every scene in I Dream of Jeannie.
Kept boozing and doing drugs even after his liver transplant. When he died his refrigerator was found packed full of pot brownies. Alcohol and addiction is nothing to glorify, I get that, but damn. The man partied like a 20 year old right up to age 81.
So? He had the money to do it. He lived a long life. None of your business.
He stated that he quit drinking when the doctor told him to or he would be dead in 6 months. Then he got a liver transplant. He said he didn’t drink after that.
Il y a 40 ans , je visitais paris avec ma classe , une ville qui se trouve à 1 heure de Lille en train...et j'ai vu cette actrice qui joue le rôle de la maman de cliff...elle nous regardait en faisant chut avec son doigt pour ne pas créer une émeute !
Miss Ellie also wanted Bobby as CEO of Ewing oil
Because she was an ignorant, weak POS. Bobby would've driven Ewing Oil into the ground at only a slightly slower pace than pussy Gary. Jock and JR were the true Gods of Ewing Oil and the Ewing Empire.
Priscilla pointer,who played Rebecca is the mother of actress Amy Irving and is alive and well (2023) and is now 99 years old!
It's not JR's fault he committed suicide.... Miss Ellie is wrong.
Oh yes it is because J.R. Ewing drove him to it by setting him up .
@@kewanw16 JR didn't force Cliff to embezzle funds from the company. Nor is it JR's fault that Cliff didn't thoroughly check to see if the deal was on the up and up. Cliff attempted suicide cause he was a weak man JR had nothing to do with it
Suicide attempt, Cliff didnt die
“No we did it to him Jr and if Cliff dies, I don’t think that I will ever marry you. But first, I have to go to the beauty salon and get a mullet cut!” lol
Years later Linda Grey said the producers gave her a hard time about her drastic haircut and she was like "what do you want me to do about it...wear a wig...hair extensions?" In hindsight, she was the trend setter. A couple of yrs later, VP and Susan Howard cut their hair short...it became fashionable at that time. So Kuddos to LG!
Larry Hagman was so brilliant. Check out 2:29 when he hears Cliff tried to kill himself, he immediately opens his mouth as if to make a smart remark but catches himself instantly, not because he doesn't want to say it, but he knows it'll twist the knife in even more if he doesn't say something.
JR showed no remorse. He did warn cliff to stay away from suellen . He told cliff he would destroy him. JR is very very dangerous man.cliff didnt listen
JR had the look of evil and Miss Elie saw it.
JR is a work of art
Daaaamn, that operator wasn't very interested in answering that 911 call...that woman waits for ages for someone to pick up the call. HAHA!
PS: Did Miss Ellie do something else other than drink coffee?
the barnes/ewing feud? whats goes around comes around? jock, ellie, digger? jr, cliff & sue ellen?
You know something, the Barnes are full of it. The Barnes are the reason for the Barnes stupidity. Cliff Barnes has ALWAYS been arrogant, and that arrogance is the reason why he does stupid things. This situation is not JR's fault, not even close to it. I don't care what his mother says about him being a cold person, not everything is JR's fault. This is on Cliff Barnes. What more than likely happened is when he spent his mother's money on the company, and it backfired, he felt so guilty, that HE tried to kill himself all by himself. JR didn't give him the pills, he took pills by himself. Cliff Barnes at the end of the day is his own worst enemy, and his obsession with beating the Ewings is another reason why he attempted to commit suicide. He just could never do it, and he always brought in second, and third parties to help him do his dirty work.
Yes, of course Cliff did it himself, but everyone blamed Big Bad JR for stomping on poor little Cliff, the same Cliff who earlier this SAME season tried to ruin Ewing Oil and felt ZERO remorse for it and he even said it to Miss Ellie's face. JR is correct here.
Miss Ellie is wrong here, and JR is correct. JR was right about a lot of things in the original season, people just didn't want to listen. They blamed him for EVERYTHING, and that got on my nerves. Everybody in that family has done something scandalous, but they think it's all JR. Anybody who would ruin Ewing Oil, and not feel bad about it is nothing but a heartless person.
Ellie's short memory is what bothered me. Like did she forget the hell Cliff put the Ewings through including trying to have Jock convicted of murder. She and the rest of the family should not have cared what JR did to Cliff.
It always bothered me that JR never had anyone in his corner.
That bothered me too LBF. My problem with the Ewing family is that EVERYBODY pretends they are perfect. Miss Ellie, Bobby, Pam, Sue Ellen, Ray, Donna, Lucy, everybody, and I guarantee you they ALL have done something scandalous. Bobby acts so damn self-righteous, it's pathetic. I still remember the fact that Pam actually kidnapped John Ross, and Bobby just looked right past that. Sue Ellen with her alcoholism, and I'm sure she had at least 2 affairs. I mean, I just wish they would own up to the things that they have done. Own up to it, you expected JR too, why not you? People in this family with their self-righteousness get on my damn nerves. It's annoying.
Derek Mathews Yes absolutely! Bobby was a crappy brother. Your wife kidnaps your brother's son and you are on her side? I would have disowned Bobby after that. I liked the Ewings better in the mini series. They all darker sides and that was much better than the hypocrites they were later. And Ray who had an affair with JR's then under aged niece and a night night stand with JR's wife was in no position to act morally superior to JR.
Also on Bobby, I know we the viewers were supposed to root for him but I saw him as a bully and a thug who was more loyal to Cliff and Pamela than to his own family.
Sorry for the rants but the way they acted toward JR always got on my nerves.
Jock assigning voting shares to Gary, Ray, and to Lucy was stupid.
I have to admit I got sick and tired of the barnes family playing the victims all the time digger kept saying jock stole from him Jock didn't to a damn thing to digger he tried to protect digger too many times cliff was the same way the only barnes that was worth a damn was pam and not just because of her beauty but because she never bought in to the victim mentality.
Back when Dallas was good. I've been binge watching recently and am on the 9th season, the infamous Dream Season, and thee latter seasons just weren't as good.
These posts are awesome! Thanks.
stole money from his mother took advantage of her
Priscilla Pointer just turned 100. Congratulations
I wish they had kept her as a regular cast member. She added plenty of grist for the mill.