He was "The Actor". He worked with the best of his generation. He had a presence and an amazing charisma. I loved when he was squinting because of the sun then he expressed hardly to someone. He was the boss !
@@Mattea68 I think that in a majority, we agree with you, Darren. Besides, a lot of viewers around the world were embarrassed with this change of actress for the Miss Ellie's character, at the time.
Jim Davis left his mark during the first three years he was on "Dallas". No one can deny that. Strong willed, smart, protective, stubborn and proud, Jock Ewing was THE patriarch of the show. His death left a void that was never completely filled. To his credit, Howard Keel was a solid choice to step into the show as the older male figure to anchor the series. Clayton Farlow was similar to Jock in a number of ways but was more even tempered and measured when dealing with others. It's easy to see why Miss Ellie was drawn to him. Both her husbands were hard working, successful men who commanded the respect of those around them.
@@gregwatson8219 - Ben Cartwright was a widowed man (three times over) during the run of "Bonanza". He remained single throughout the shows fourteen years on the air. So to compare him to either Jock Ewing or Clayton Farrow is odd. I'm talking about Miss Ellie and what qualities she sought in a husband. Both the men she married were successful, strong, smart men who commanded the respect of those around them. In this regard all three men have similar attributes. But that's where it pretty much ends....
I heard stories that the portrait was haunted. On the set, the portrait would sometimes move of its own accord. Someone would straighten the portrait, only for it to move slightly when there was no one in the room.
I always thought that portrait was one of the best portraits I have ever seen, of anyone. Actually it is much nicer and more artistic than some of the official presidential portraits hanging in the White House.
the portrait of jock was HUGELY superb done , and it filled its place in that home , jim davis was perfect for the role of jock ewing , may those who passed from the serie rest in peace .
I personally saw the portrait of Jock Ewing, and the magnificent silver Lincoln Continental with blue interior which was used for his television character, at Southfork Ranch in 2010, which allows tours. The portrait of Jock (John Ross Sr.) appears even more majestic when viewed in person.
@@sanjayarman Oh man I LOVED Jock's Continental Mark V. There is a montage video here on RUclips of clips from the show of him driving it and getting in and out of it.
stig tuneback I agree that's also why the producers cut Donna Reed's contract to return because Larry Hagman wanted her gone. He was actually trying to get his real life mother to be a recast of Miss Ellie but that never happened. Also Barbara missed the show so she came back after this season.
My grandfather had an oil painting of my grandmother after she died, and some bimbo he dated tried to make it disappear. My mother got it before that could happen. Now that my mother is gone, I have that painting. My grandmother has watched out for me all these years. I believe it.
In real-life, Larry Hagman had the portrait of his TV father (played by Jim Davis), until it was sold, back in 2011, the year before Hagman's own passing. May both Jim Davis & Larry Hagman, R.I.P., along with Donna Reed & Howard Keel.
Mystic Investigations Miss Ellie wouldn’t live anywhere but Southfork. The sensible thing to do, but obviously less dramatic, would have been to build a house on Southfork just for Clayton and Miss Ellie.
nrkgalt or he could’ve kept Southern Cross and he and Miss Ellie could’ve divided their time at each other’s ranch. Miss Ellie used to get on my nerves with always wanting everything to go her way....hardly ever giving someone else what they wanted for a change.
Quite true, Mark. Larry Hagman campaigned for his real-life mother, Mary Martin, to replace Barbara Bel Geddes, so you can imagine how fun he was to be around during that time. The good news for Ms. Reed was that she successfully sued the production company to honor her contract after she was fired.
Donna Reed does a beautiful job here with her acting. I can see Barbara Bel Geddes doing the exact same thing. I loved Barbara and Donna as Miss Ellie equally.
@@docd2496 It's disturbing to know I typed that even after that end-tribute to Jim, was burned in my head 40yrs ago. What's more disturbing is, it took over 4yrs for someone to notice. 😂👍
Cool seeing Donna Reed in 1980s after seeing her in legendary films like it's a wonderful life and from here to eternity where she will be remembered forever. I never watched Dallas but Larry Harman played a good sleazebag in clips I have seen.
Jock Ewing was a better business man but clayton fawlow was a great man in his own way, did you see him almost killed a man with his powerful punching moves
One Mistake in the Script , where JR says "Daddy built this House", the way the story goes , you would have to watch the movie on You Tube called Dallas the early years about Old Jock and Digger and Miss Ellie's history. The South Fork Ranch was owned and Operated by Ellie's Father Aaron South Worth. Ellie was Diggers girl. Jock and Digger met out Wild catting and Digger brought Jock home to Dallas with him and introduced Jock to Ellie, she fell in love with Jock. So the Feud Began.
When Garrison Southworth Ellie's brother revealed he was alive but had come home to die in Season 2. He sent Ellie a portrait he painted before arriving only Ellie and Jock knew what the portrait was of and it was the house at Southfork. Why did they only recognize the family home? Because the Southworth house was a smaller building. When Jock married Ellie he saved the ranch from foreclosure and built the current larger house where the original home stood and that was the house the family he and Ellie built lived in so yes Jock built that house.
it's funny how Bobby says Jock's painting has to come down because it's the right thing to do, but in the movie J.R. Returns where J.R. says something about the painting being back, Bobby says Right where it belongs, It never should have come down.
That was obviously different writers that wrote Bobby wrong. He would never have said that. He liked Clayton and respected that he was a member of the family.
Agree, she was wrong as Miss Ellie, but she would have been great as Sue Ellen's mother. Looking at her in this clip, she actually looks a bit (to me) like an older version of Linda Gray.
I’m sorry guys...but I LOVED Donna Reed as Miss Ellie. She was just a better match for the show than Barbara. I never liked Barbara as Miss Ellie. She just never fit the part. She dressed like an old lady and her wardrobe alone ruined it for me. But Donna KILLED it when it came to that wardrobe compared to Barbara. Donna LOOKED like a Ewing. She LOOKED like she belonged, with the clothing and jewelry she wore. And when someone can LOOK the part, then the rest can usually fall into place a little better. I’m not saying she’s a better actress than Barbara. I’m just saying appearance-wise, she looked more believable.
Except Miss Ellie wasn't supposed to "look like a Ewing". She wasn't a Ewing. She was a Southworth, a farm girl who grew up on a ranch during the Depression riding horses and castrating steers. Donna Reed doesn't look as though she's ever touched a horse or a cow in her whole life. She just paraded around in fancy clothes as though her dad was the president of the bank instead of a farmer.
As a medical expert, I will say this; Grieving is different for everyone. This scene is a great example of all the emotions one can experience after losing someone whether it's six months, a year, or even a terrible Miss Ellie recast.
@@leeknievel748 The sad truth. Donna Reed was an Oscar winner and was in some of the greatest films ever made. But yup, Dallas didn't do her career any flavours.
@theprinceoftides6836 You're quite wrong. Dallas did Donna's career a huge flavour. Vanilla flavour, topped with chocolate chips and marshmallows. She was sweet as a candy, and Dallas fans loved her.
@dawnyzaguirre8851 Hello......Yes it's true that Miss Ellie inherited Southfork from her father, but it was widely known that Miss Ellie's father had almost lossed Southfork during the Depression of the 1930s..... Then Jock came along with his enormous financial wealth and he saved Southfork from getting auctioned off. Since Jock's hard-earned money saved the ranch, to a major extent that alone caused him to become the new owner of Southfork. That was Jock's hard-earned money that maintained & kept Southfork upgraded, and he raised his family at Southfork throughout the 45 years he lived there. So yes indeed.....Southfork Ranch was Jock Ewing's home!
Larry Hagman cleverly orchestrated this mini-storyline with the intent of further eroding Donna Reed’s standing among Dallas viewers. He was not a supporter of Ms. Reed fulfilling the role of Ms. Ellie, and he was laying the groundwork for the return of Barbara Bel Geddes. Mr. Hagman shared certain tactical qualities with the legendary character he created and so brilliantly portrayed.
In many ways, Howard Keel and Jim Davis reminded me, of fraternal twin brothers. I say that, because Clayton reminded me of Jock. I loved it, he and Miss Ellie got married. Yet, I thought it was right, to move Jock's portrait, to Ewing Oil offices. Comparing Jock, to Clayton and vice versa, wasn't fair to either man. Jock was gone and Clayton rightly married Miss Ellie, because they loved each other. Fraternal twin likeness or not, Clayton was his own man.
When jock Ewing was killed off the whole Dallas show was affected. I personally wasn't watching the series as much as I used to. Jock Ewing was an incredible character in this show. A No nonsense man''s man. And Jim Davis was the perfect person to play that role. ❤
Donna Reed was a solid Miss Ellie Ewing Farlow. Although she is not better than the original, she still did a great job. She did not try to act like Barbara, she did the role the way she felt like it was supposed to be played.
Miss Ellie should have said "I wasn't your Father's First Wife, remember that, I had to live with Jock's History with Amanda, and Clayton lives with Jock's Memory, Clayton knows he'll never take Jock's place but he did make Miss Ellie happy in his own way
laminage miss Ellie never had to live with Amanda’s memory because it was over 40 years before she learned about the very brief Union between Jock and Amanda..
Clayton was a rancher at heart. So was Ellie. They had that in common. Jock was an oilman she married to save her father's ranch. He learned to appreciate the ranch and gained his father-in-law's trust eventually. Miss Ellie grew to love him as well.
The show was never quite the same after Jim Davis died. The Jock character grounded the show. After Jim Davis and the Jock character died, the show became more and more outlandish and over the top.
Donna is a trouble maker,,she has caused so many problems always TRYING TO cause trouble,,,like when she tells ellie out of the blue that jocks painting needed to come down that it upsets clayton,,well to dam bad
All I can think of is Designing Women when Julia's new boyfriend told her "keep all of the pictures up you need, I don't think I would want to be with a woman who stopped loving her husband just because he died". JR was right, the picture should have stayed, Clayton should have demanded it.
Bobby’s always willing to give away and give in! JR is the only son that kept Jock Ewing’s memory alive and relevant. In later years when Miss Ellie gives half of Southfork Clayton, Bobby didn’t fight against that decision the way JR did. JR reminded His Mother, who saved the ranch from the sheriff foreclosing. Never understood why the writers always made us think that Bobby was Jock’s favorite. JR was the only one that built Ewing Oil into more of a power after Jock retired. JR once told Sue Ellen that everything that he does, he does for his Daddy and that basically to JR, Ewing oil was his Daddy’s legacy.
And he had tears in his eyes when he, Bobby, and Ray came back from South America to tell Miss Ellie that Jock didn’t make it. He went outside and looked up to the sky with tears in his eyes.
Jim Davis and Donna Reed definitely knew each other Jim Davis guest starred on The Donna Reed show in 1962. He played an old buddy of Donna's husband Donna's character didn't care for Jim Davis' character very much as he was a bit of a male chauvinist. Jim Davis guest starred on The Lucy Show he played a casino owner when Lucy ( Lucille Ball) and Vivian Vance visited Las Vegas.
Aaron Southworth owned the land that is South Fork Ranch and Jock saved it from foreclosure. Jock actually built the current house on the land. Damn I miss this show!
@@glorymosbyfloyd3878 Dallas wouldn't be Dallas by moving the Ewings to San Angelo. Furthermore, the show needed the longstanding matriarch of Southfork. Southfork was originally a Southworth ranch and Miss Ellie's birthright. Jock's memory should always live on at Ewing Oil.
I definitely agreed with JR about not understanding why a man would want to live in another man's house Clayton Farlow should've took Miss Ellie to live on his ranch instead
@@glorymosbyfloyd3878 The Southern Cross would've been too big for both Clayton and Miss Ellie alone. Even with Dusty who was always out on the rodeo circuit and recently divorced from his new wife. The Ewings were a big family and no way were the Ewings going to vacate Southfork.
Donna Reed was pretty bland as Miss Ellie at first but she improved with each appearance. Had she had time to grow in the role and make it her own I think the fans would have eventually embraced her version.
Southfork was more than just the ranch. It was land. Miss Ellie should have built a second ranch on the land. Called it farlow ranch .. that way Clayton had his own home and Ellie had 2 ranch's on southfork
The big screw-up here was that they signed her to a three-year contract. If she had been in it for one year, then so much for that, and so on. But to sign her for three years, and then cast her off, was incorrigible, even by Hollywood standards.
I remember watching this episode as a kid. Miss Ellie and Bobby were right. However, it would have been better if Miss Ellie (Barbara Bel Geddes) would have been the one to take Jocks portrait down. This was a great and emotional scene. I do have empathy for JR here but, we do have to move on with life at some point.
When asked which Ms Ellie he prefered ,Howard snapped "I,II work with whoever walks through that door boy" before calming down & said he liked them both.
Donna Reed got such a bum rap on Dallas, First, it was NOT her choice to drop Barbara Bel Geddes from the role, Lorimar made that choice. Donna did take the role in a new direction and if Barbara had not come back Donna probably would have remained until her own death a short time later. Then they should have just written Mama off the show and concentrated on the younger members of the family. Donna had such grace and was such a wonderful person in real life, Hagman was such a nasty drunk in real life he made life hell for everyone on that set. Donna didn't deserve that treatment after all of the quality entertainment she gave to this country during her lifetime.
Larry did like his alcohol, but life wasn’t hell on that set. If you’ve seen the outtakes and interviews with the cast, they had a blast and loved and respected each other. Donna did her best, but Barbara saw the show through its glory years and was the matriarch on and off the set. Donna was really set up to fail from day one.
Everyone here is agreeing with JR...because they like the Jock Ewing CHARACTER. But in real life, they wouldn't want to live in a hostile environment with all that tension.
That painting of Mr Davis is one of the most beautiful pieces of art I’ve ever seen. Absolutely magnificent.
Yes, it's pretty awesome!
When Jim Davis died, so many fans were saddened. He was one of a kind, and that picture was just superb.
He was "The Actor".
He worked with the best of his generation.
He had a presence and an amazing charisma.
I loved when he was squinting because of the sun then he expressed hardly to someone.
He was the boss !
him and Barbara Bel Geddes(the original Ms.Ellie) made the show what it was, there was no replacing either one for these roles
@@Mattea68 I think that in a majority, we agree with you, Darren.
Besides, a lot of viewers around the world were embarrassed with this change of actress for the Miss Ellie's character, at the time.
WHEN HE PASS AWAY THAT WAS IT THE SHOW WAS NEVER THE SAME MISS THAT GREAT MAN
Jim Davis May you Rip, we still miss you
JR usually respected his parents. That was one of his good qualities.
Jim Davis left his mark during the first three years he was on "Dallas". No one can deny that. Strong willed, smart, protective, stubborn and proud, Jock Ewing was THE patriarch of the show.
His death left a void that was never completely filled. To his credit, Howard Keel was a solid choice to step into the show as the older male figure to anchor the series.
Clayton Farlow was similar to Jock in a number of ways but was more even tempered and measured when dealing with others.
It's easy to see why Miss Ellie was drawn to him. Both her husbands were hard working, successful men who commanded the respect of those around them.
Was he stronger than Ben Cartwright? He was there w Michael Landon 13 yrs!
@@gregwatson8219 - Ben Cartwright was a widowed man (three times over) during the run of "Bonanza". He remained single throughout the shows fourteen years on the air.
So to compare him to either Jock Ewing or Clayton Farrow is odd. I'm talking about Miss Ellie and what qualities she sought in a husband. Both the men she married were successful, strong, smart men who commanded the respect of those around them.
In this regard all three men have similar attributes. But that's where it pretty much ends....
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Miss Ellie was drawn to tall, sun-drenched men with giant todgers. Jock and Clayton fit the bill.
Someone in a different video featuring Jock's portrait said that portrait became its own character in the show. I completely agree.
I heard stories that the portrait was haunted. On the set, the portrait would sometimes move of its own accord. Someone would straighten the portrait, only for it to move slightly when there was no one in the room.
I always thought that portrait was one of the best portraits I have ever seen, of anyone. Actually it is much nicer and more artistic than some of the official presidential portraits hanging in the White House.
the portrait of jock was HUGELY superb done , and it filled its place in that home , jim davis was perfect for the role of jock ewing , may those who passed from the serie rest in peace .
With some of the presidents we've had, it's no wonder.
Better than the one they did for JR in the TNT Dallas show. Why they didn't have JR with the iconic smile, I'll NEVER understand
I personally saw the portrait of Jock Ewing, and the magnificent silver Lincoln Continental with blue interior which was used for his television character, at
Southfork Ranch in 2010, which allows tours.
The portrait of Jock (John Ross Sr.) appears even more majestic when viewed in person.
@@sanjayarman Oh man I LOVED Jock's Continental Mark V. There is a montage video here on RUclips of clips from the show of him driving it and getting in and out of it.
JR had legit tears in his eyes in this scene, he never really got over Jock's death.
jr was the sleezeball in the ewings , but he has right in what he sais in this scene aboute jock , .
hard tough and emotional scene this one , one can clearly see that JR looked up to jock and that he meant the world to him , most powerfull .
stig tuneback that and also Larry Hagman and Donna Reed (Miss Ellie#2) didn't get along at all this season.
@@BrandonCassaday truth be told , i never liked Miss Ellie 2 as their mom , Barbara bel geddes was the one , always will be .
stig tuneback I agree that's also why the producers cut Donna Reed's contract to return because Larry Hagman wanted her gone. He was actually trying to get his real life mother to be a recast of Miss Ellie but that never happened. Also Barbara missed the show so she came back after this season.
Would've been funny if JR broke character and said "you haven't been Ms. Ellie long enough to remove anything"
Wouldn't be suprised if that was in the outtakes lol.
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This was a heartbreaking scene especially looking at the genuine hurt on JR's face
It actually may not have been acting, but rather Larry Hagman's involuntary expression of sadness over Jim Davis' passing.
I don’t care what JR went thru. I never felt sorry for him lol
The more I watch this show the more I find myself agreeing with JR
Me too! His tactics were a bit harsh at times, but he was rarely wrong.
Deffo
@FREEDOM LIGHTRIDER JR literally had the most integrity out of everybody on the show let's be real
@@Cartooncountdown No. Larry Hagman, you must precise.
You talk about acting.
My thoughts exactly
My grandfather had an oil painting of my grandmother after she died, and some bimbo he dated tried to make it disappear. My mother got it before that could happen. Now that my mother is gone, I have that painting. My grandmother has watched out for me all these years. I believe it.
vccstudents : Beautiful!! Continue to cherish that painting
I also believe our loved ones take care of us. You were right to keep that painting
In real-life, Larry Hagman had the portrait of his TV father (played by Jim Davis), until it was sold, back in 2011, the year before Hagman's own passing. May both Jim Davis & Larry Hagman, R.I.P., along with Donna Reed & Howard Keel.
And Barbara Bel Geddes.
Piss on Howard Keel.
+Keena that's a shitty thing to say
Gary Richard Collins II : Amen to that definitely
Very well said.
It was in this scene JR showed who really was the most loyal son to Jock Ewing.
*Bobby was the original Libtard Soy-Boy.*
I would have been happy to take in jocks picture Lol
Southfork was founded by miss ellie's family not jock
@@kevinbrown4073 True, but Jock saved it by paying off the mortgage.
@@DarlingNikki2 That's true. It was just as much his.
If this was real life then Clayton would have lived on his precious Farlow Ranch and left Jock's sons to have Southfork.
Mystic Investigations Miss Ellie wouldn’t live anywhere but Southfork. The sensible thing to do, but obviously less dramatic, would have been to build a house on Southfork just for Clayton and Miss Ellie.
If this was real life we'd have no chance to comment , because there wouldn't be a video here ;-)
@BruhTV I agree with you.. miss Ellie and Clinton Farlow would have more privacy to be intimate all day and night
@BruhTV it's the truth though. A married couple normally want a bit of privacy. What's wrong with that
nrkgalt or he could’ve kept Southern Cross and he and Miss Ellie could’ve divided their time at each other’s ranch. Miss Ellie used to get on my nerves with always wanting everything to go her way....hardly ever giving someone else what they wanted for a change.
Donna Reed played Miss Ellie. Barbara Bel Geddes WAS Miss Ellie.
Yes!!!
I agree. Interestingly, Jim Davis (Jock) guest starred on Donna Reeds show in 1963.
Quite true, Mark. Larry Hagman campaigned for his real-life mother, Mary Martin, to replace Barbara Bel Geddes, so you can imagine how fun he was to be around during that time. The good news for Ms. Reed was that she successfully sued the production company to honor her contract after she was fired.
There was only one Miss Ellie,Barbara Bel Geddes did to the extreme
@@mikeflorence31 no,Barbara was
Jr was right no doubt about it
In the first TV movie, Bobby said the picture should have never left the house in the first place. Ironic.
Yep. That was one of the few Leonard Katzman mistakes.
And Miss Ellie (Barbara Bel Geddes) quipped "I don't remember taking that picture down..."
Jock Ewing was one hell of a man. Jim Davis played him brilliantly. I hated the new Miss Ellie. The old Miss Ellie couldn’t have been bettered.
Donna Reed does a beautiful job here with her acting. I can see Barbara Bel Geddes doing the exact same thing. I loved Barbara and Donna as Miss Ellie equally.
Jason Gibson : Me too
Donna Reed had no business trying to play Miss Ellie. I could hear Jim Davis' spirit yelling at her to not touch his painting.
Donna Reed could have been at the right place in another role.
She's classy and she's a good actress but this character was made for Miss Bel Geddes.
@@docd2496 It's disturbing to know I typed that even after that end-tribute to Jim, was burned in my head 40yrs ago. What's more disturbing is, it took over 4yrs for someone to notice. 😂👍
Me too
Hey hey...J R is 100% right..leave Jocks picture alone!!!!!👍😀🇺🇸
Barbara Bel Geddes the best Miss Ellie 😍❤👍
Yes but she left the roll had to be re cast donna did a superb job .. different class of acting
@@BlytheWorld1972 Watching Donna Reed play Miss Ellie reminds me how wonderful life is.
Can't expect someone to match a legend unfair
Cool seeing Donna Reed in 1980s after seeing her in legendary films like it's a wonderful life and from here to eternity where she will be remembered forever. I never watched Dallas but Larry Harman played a good sleazebag in clips I have seen.
The only time I felt sorry for J.R.
Me2...I think he was right on the money with this one
@@ohwell94 I felt for him too but the painting had to come down.
I agree. The painting should have stayed up. When you marry a widow, it’s something one does. Respect for Jock. He was a badass like Clayton.
@@Via_The_Void It's not like it was hanging in the bedroom.
I think JR was right when he said that his mother should decide whether to take the picture down or not!
That painting needed to go to Ewing Oil. It made for an amazing scene when JR threatened to shoot Jeremy Wendell for touching it.
But, Clayton Farlow is no Jock Ewing!!!!
Brandon Bowles: True
Nope he's not even close
TXALTHAUS: JR never accepted Clayton, and Clayton was right, "Jock still lived at South fork, it was still his house."
Actually he is better to some degree
Jock Ewing was a better business man but clayton fawlow was a great man in his own way, did you see him almost killed a man with his powerful punching moves
JR Ewing never minced words.
Iconic portrait.
Donna Reed was in a class of her own as an actress.
True enough, but she wasn’t right for that particular role.
Babs ball gedes owned the role
One Mistake in the Script , where JR says "Daddy built this House", the way the story goes , you would have to watch the movie on You Tube called Dallas the early years about Old Jock and Digger and Miss Ellie's history. The South Fork Ranch was owned and Operated by Ellie's Father Aaron South Worth. Ellie was Diggers girl. Jock and Digger met out Wild catting and Digger brought Jock home to Dallas with him and introduced Jock to Ellie, she fell in love with Jock. So the Feud Began.
Exactly
Jock saved Southfork. That is probably what JR meant.
When Garrison Southworth Ellie's brother revealed he was alive but had come home to die in Season 2. He sent Ellie a portrait he painted before arriving only Ellie and Jock knew what the portrait was of and it was the house at Southfork.
Why did they only recognize the family home?
Because the Southworth house was a smaller building. When Jock married Ellie he saved the ranch from foreclosure and built the current larger house where the original home stood and that was the house the family he and Ellie built lived in so yes Jock built that house.
Mostly correct. She chose jock to save the ranch.
Jock built that house. The one Aaron Southworth owned was different. And Jock saved the ranch. The sheriff was at the door ready to foreclose.
it's funny how Bobby says Jock's painting has to come down because it's the right thing to do, but in the movie J.R. Returns where J.R. says something about the painting being back, Bobby says Right where it belongs, It never should have come down.
*That's cause Bobby was the Original 2-Faced, Libtard Soy-Boy.*
Yeah I caught that too. Total hypocrisy by Bobby
True but the idea was that Jock's portrait belonged at Southfork and Bobby acted like he never wanted it down
Maybe Bobby had second thoughts. People do change thier thoughts over time
That was obviously different writers that wrote Bobby wrong. He would never have said that. He liked Clayton and respected that he was a member of the family.
The portrait would return to Southfork in later years. And take its rightful place and spot. Jock Ewing was Southfork and always will be
I LOVEEEEE me some Donna Reed, but Mrs. Ellie she was NOT!
Agree, she was wrong as Miss Ellie, but she would have been great as Sue Ellen's mother. Looking at her in this clip, she actually looks a bit (to me) like an older version of Linda Gray.
Deltadivaix correct
I agree Mar. She has a similar soft spoken voice too.
I’m sorry guys...but I LOVED Donna Reed as Miss Ellie. She was just a better match for the show than Barbara. I never liked Barbara as Miss Ellie. She just never fit the part. She dressed like an old lady and her wardrobe alone ruined it for me. But Donna KILLED it when it came to that wardrobe compared to Barbara. Donna LOOKED like a Ewing. She LOOKED like she belonged, with the clothing and jewelry she wore. And when someone can LOOK the part, then the rest can usually fall into place a little better. I’m not saying she’s a better actress than Barbara. I’m just saying appearance-wise, she looked more believable.
Except Miss Ellie wasn't supposed to "look like a Ewing". She wasn't a Ewing. She was a Southworth, a farm girl who grew up on a ranch during the Depression riding horses and castrating steers. Donna Reed doesn't look as though she's ever touched a horse or a cow in her whole life. She just paraded around in fancy clothes as though her dad was the president of the bank instead of a farmer.
As a medical expert, I will say this; Grieving is different for everyone. This scene is a great example of all the emotions one can experience after losing someone whether it's six months, a year, or even a terrible Miss Ellie recast.
Lol. I had no idea who that woman was. I thought she was a secretary from the office.
Donna Reed, she was a very well known actress around that time, doing this show ruined her career
Damn, your Statement is Gospel.
@@leeknievel748 The sad truth. Donna Reed was an Oscar winner and was in some of the greatest films ever made. But yup, Dallas didn't do her career any flavours.
@theprinceoftides6836 You're quite wrong. Dallas did Donna's career a huge flavour. Vanilla flavour, topped with chocolate chips and marshmallows. She was sweet as a candy, and Dallas fans loved her.
Gosh Donna Reed looks stunning here
Yes she was very pretty innit
Stunningly awful.
Jock would agree that his portrait could be displayed at Ewing but he would say that Clayton ought to be in his own home not his!
Jock didn't own Southfork. Miss Ellie inherited it from her father.
@dawnyzaguirre8851
Hello......Yes it's true that Miss Ellie inherited Southfork from her father, but it was widely known that Miss Ellie's father had almost lossed Southfork during the Depression of the 1930s.....
Then Jock came along with his enormous financial wealth and he saved Southfork from getting auctioned off. Since Jock's hard-earned money saved the ranch, to a major extent that alone caused him to become the new owner of Southfork.
That was Jock's hard-earned money that maintained & kept Southfork upgraded, and he raised his family at Southfork throughout the 45 years he lived there.
So yes indeed.....Southfork Ranch was Jock Ewing's home!
The more the show went on the more sympathetic J.R. became.
Fun fact :Jim Davis guest starred on The Donna Reed Show in the 1962-63 season.
The last scene when Miss Ellie, who played by Donna Reed, thought that it was an excellent idea to remove a painting of Jock Ewing so that Miss Ellie's new husband (Clayton Farlow) can feel confortable in the ranch.
I wholeheartedly agree with JR Ewing on this.
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October 31, 2020 @ 1:20 am ©®
No wonder Miss Ellie left South fork to Bobby all the crap Jr did he deserve nothing
Larry Hagman cleverly orchestrated this mini-storyline with the intent of further eroding Donna Reed’s standing among Dallas viewers. He was not a supporter of Ms. Reed fulfilling the role of Ms. Ellie, and he was laying the groundwork for the return of Barbara Bel Geddes. Mr. Hagman shared certain tactical qualities with the legendary character he created and so brilliantly portrayed.
never knew that..are you sure about that?
Hagman was a slick charmer
He should sold used cars
Y Hagman not in Hall of Fame television
gettagarip... troll
In many ways, Howard Keel and Jim Davis reminded me, of fraternal twin brothers. I say that, because Clayton reminded me of Jock. I loved it, he and Miss Ellie got married.
Yet, I thought it was right, to move Jock's portrait, to Ewing Oil offices. Comparing Jock, to Clayton and vice versa, wasn't fair to either man.
Jock was gone and Clayton rightly married Miss Ellie, because they loved each other. Fraternal twin likeness or not, Clayton was his own man.
I wish Jimmy Stewart had played Clayton.
When jock Ewing was killed off the whole Dallas show was affected. I personally wasn't watching the series as much as I used to. Jock Ewing was an incredible character in this show. A No nonsense man''s man. And Jim Davis was the perfect person to play that role. ❤
Donna Reed was a solid Miss Ellie Ewing Farlow. Although she is not better than the original, she still did a great job. She did not try to act like Barbara, she did the role the way she felt like it was supposed to be played.
Agreed
I've always wondered how Barbara would have played the scene of Bobby passing away?
Sorry but that aint miss.ellie...and clayton is no jock!!
Clayton could never escape the shadow of Jock. A man he never met but seemed to watch over him relentlessly at Southfork.
They should have put the picture over Clayton and Ellie's bed.
I would love to have that portrait in my house...
I always enjoyed seeing that painting, after Jim Davis passed.
Killer portrait!!!
Miss Ellie should have said "I wasn't your Father's First Wife, remember that, I had to live with Jock's History with Amanda, and Clayton lives with Jock's Memory, Clayton knows he'll never take Jock's place but he did make Miss Ellie happy in his own way
laminage miss Ellie never had to live with Amanda’s memory because it was over 40 years before she learned about the very brief Union between Jock and Amanda..
Saxon C Exactly
Not true. She didnt know of Amanda until a few years before Jock died.
Clayton was a rancher at heart. So was Ellie. They had that in common. Jock was an oilman she married to save her father's ranch. He learned to appreciate the ranch and gained his father-in-law's trust eventually. Miss Ellie grew to love him as well.
JR was absolutely right. Jock was larger than life, Jim Davis was and always will be Jock Ewing.
I agree, Clayton knew that, when he moved in. South Fork is Jock, his children and grands, all Jock. If it's too hard, y'all go live on Farlow ranch.
The show was never quite the same after Jim Davis died. The Jock character grounded the show. After Jim Davis and the Jock character died, the show became more and more outlandish and over the top.
Donna is a trouble maker,,she has caused so many problems always TRYING TO cause trouble,,,like when she tells ellie out of the blue that jocks painting needed to come down that it upsets clayton,,well to dam bad
Jim Davis did appear on The Donna Reed Show years before Dallas.
All I can think of is Designing Women when Julia's new boyfriend told her "keep all of the pictures up you need, I don't think I would want to be with a woman who stopped loving her husband just because he died". JR was right, the picture should have stayed, Clayton should have demanded it.
I agreed with J.R. as well that picture should stay on the wall at south fork house not only as a picture but it was a legacy of the Ewings family.
Bobby’s always willing to give away and give in! JR is the only son that kept Jock Ewing’s memory alive and relevant. In later years when Miss Ellie gives half of Southfork Clayton, Bobby didn’t fight against that decision the way JR did. JR reminded His Mother, who saved the ranch from the sheriff foreclosing. Never understood why the writers always made us think that Bobby was Jock’s favorite. JR was the only one that built Ewing Oil into more of a power after Jock retired. JR once told Sue Ellen that everything that he does, he does for his Daddy and that basically to JR, Ewing oil was his Daddy’s legacy.
it's f i c t i o n... good grief
I think this is the only time we see JR with tears in his eyes.
He had tears at Bobby's bedside when he was dying.
And he had tears in his eyes when he, Bobby, and Ray came back from South America to tell Miss Ellie that Jock didn’t make it. He went outside and looked up to the sky with tears in his eyes.
Jim Davis, Barbara Bel Geddes, Howard Keel, Donna Reed, and Alexis Smith were all once at MGM. I wonder if they knew each other then......
Jim Davis and Donna Reed definitely knew each other Jim Davis guest starred on The Donna Reed show in 1962. He played an old buddy of Donna's husband Donna's character didn't care for Jim Davis' character very much as he was a bit of a male chauvinist. Jim Davis guest starred on The Lucy Show he played a casino owner when Lucy ( Lucille Ball) and Vivian Vance visited Las Vegas.
I can’t believe they replaced Barbara nobody was Ellie but her
Too many grown people don't need to be under one roof.
Woo Farmer lol 😂- you have a point but southfork was huge- big enough to house at least 15-20 people
JR was an old softy with his pops.
JR said "jock built this house". Not accurate. Aaron southworth owned it years before jock came along and saved it from the bank
Aaron Southworth owned the land that is South Fork Ranch and Jock saved it from foreclosure. Jock actually built the current house on the land. Damn I miss this show!
3:38 Shoulda been Barbara Bel Geddes doing this scene..... smdh. 😲😲😲😲😲👎👎👎👎👎
Yes, it would have meant more.
I agree with miss ellie. Loved Clayton, such a powerful presence!! Jocks picture has to go..
I would never accept another man taking my daddy's place in the house, never !
Bilal Ahmed neither would i
Bilal Ahmed : I know that's right!! Neither would I!! If you must marry my mother, if my father was deceased, then take her to your own damn place
@@glorymosbyfloyd3878 However, imagine how hard it would be to say goodbye to your true home and all the memories and live in your stepfather's home.
@@andrebeck1444 I think that we're talking about if that situation happened as adults
@@glorymosbyfloyd3878 Dallas wouldn't be Dallas by moving the Ewings to San Angelo. Furthermore, the show needed the longstanding matriarch of Southfork. Southfork was originally a Southworth ranch and Miss Ellie's birthright. Jock's memory should always live on at Ewing Oil.
For once, I agree with J.R. That is still Jock and Miss Ellie’s house (your parents, Bobby). The ONLY person that should decide is Miss Ellie.
I definitely agreed with JR about not understanding why a man would want to live in another man's house
Clayton Farlow should've took Miss Ellie to live on his ranch instead
Southfork was both Miss Ellie's and Jock's home. However, it was originally a Southworth home, therefore it was Miss Ellie's birthright.
@@andrebeck1444 I understand that but Clayton should've took Miss Ellie to his home instead
@@glorymosbyfloyd3878 The Southern Cross would've been too big for both Clayton and Miss Ellie alone. Even with Dusty who was always out on the rodeo circuit and recently divorced from his new wife. The Ewings were a big family and no way were the Ewings going to vacate Southfork.
@@andrebeck1444 They wouldn't have to vacate Southfork, just Miss Ellie with her new husband
@@glorymosbyfloyd3878 Miss Ellie was an important character and the rock of the Ewing family. Even as Mrs. Farlow, she belonged on Southfork.
Donna reed had no right to take that picture down. Barbara bel geddes would never have let the script writers do that.
Barbara had no say in the scripts. This would have happened even if she hadn’t of quit over $, at the end of the 1983-84 season.
gettagarip...
what was the portrait that took the place of jock place, still trying to figure it out
A well written episode!
Donna Reed was pretty bland as Miss Ellie at first but she improved with each appearance. Had she had time to grow in the role and make it her own I think the fans would have eventually embraced her version.
Southfork was more than just the ranch. It was land. Miss Ellie should have built a second ranch on the land. Called it farlow ranch .. that way Clayton had his own home and Ellie had 2 ranch's on southfork
Bobby was always so handsome ❤
Nothing against Ms. Reed, just doesn’t seem right that Ms. Bel Geddes did not film that scene.
I agree. Jim Davis (Jock) appeared on Donna Reed's show in 1963. I wonder if she recalled working with him looking at the painting.
Thank you
They shouldn't have never replaced Barbara Bel Geddes, with Donna Reed!
I agree with bobby and miss 👩🏫 Ellie taking the painting down is the right thing to do
The big screw-up here was that they signed her to a three-year contract. If she had been in it for one year, then so much for that, and so on. But to sign her for three years, and then cast her off, was incorrigible, even by Hollywood standards.
She wouldn’t have made the 3 years anyway, as she was diagnosed with cancer and passed away during Dallas 8th season, 1985-86
@@TheEwing69 ideat... n o t... the point dk made...
it was right to put Jock's portrait at the place that was his brain child
I remember watching this episode as a kid. Miss Ellie and Bobby were right. However, it would have been better if Miss Ellie (Barbara Bel Geddes) would have been the one to take Jocks portrait down. This was a great and emotional scene. I do have empathy for JR here but, we do have to move on with life at some point.
Leave the painting alone !!!
Donna Reed did a good job at portraying Miss Ellie I personally enjoyed watching her
She was awful JR even did not like her in real life he said bring my real mom back
When asked which Ms Ellie he prefered ,Howard snapped "I,II work with whoever walks through that door boy" before calming down & said he liked them both.
@@gavinreid8937 I liked both ladies equal but they were unfair to Donna
What an outstanding portrait.
Howard Keel was a very good actor.
Clayton should have gotten the boot not Jock’s portrait!
Clayton was right, Jock still lived at Southfork.
Jock will always be at soutfork
Wasn't the painting at Ewing Oil originally anyway?
I have to agree with Bobby on this one life has to go on
That was a mistake,clayton knew that ranch was jocks,he knew the ewing family had jocks picture there if he didn't like it don't move in,
Donna Reed got such a bum rap on Dallas, First, it was NOT her choice to drop Barbara Bel Geddes from the role, Lorimar made that choice. Donna did take the role in a new direction and if Barbara had not come back Donna probably would have remained until her own death a short time later. Then they should have just written Mama off the show and concentrated on the younger members of the family. Donna had such grace and was such a wonderful person in real life, Hagman was such a nasty drunk in real life he made life hell for everyone on that set. Donna didn't deserve that treatment after all of the quality entertainment she gave to this country during her lifetime.
Barbara Bel Geddes was ill. That's why she took the year off.
Larry did like his alcohol, but life wasn’t hell on that set. If you’ve seen the outtakes and interviews with the cast, they had a blast and loved and respected each other. Donna did her best, but Barbara saw the show through its glory years and was the matriarch on and off the set. Donna was really set up to fail from day one.
the legend is dallas
I loved Donna Reed as Miss Ellie. Great actress.
Hard to accept her as Miss Ellie after Barbara Bel Geddes.
If they had to replace Miss Ellie, Donna Reed was the excellent choice.
This is one of the few scenes that I totally agree with JR
How many of you agree that Bobby Ewing should have removed it before Miss Ellie removed it once and for all?
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October 31, 2020 @ 1:25 am ©®
Dallas was not The same without Jim Davis.
It was a Great ending with JR saying No with Bobby & Momma..
I agree with jr why take down jock picture just to please another man " oh hell no"
Everyone here is agreeing with JR...because they like the Jock Ewing CHARACTER. But in real life, they wouldn't want to live in a hostile environment with all that tension.
@Brandi Lord Does your family have a big painting like that in the living-room?
Right! Nobody would want to live with a altar of their wife's late husband. They worshipped Jock.
I have to agree with JR on this one.
What happened to that painting in real life? I thought I read it was at one of the actors house, maybe Hagman, but I can't find that story.
Larry Hagman kept the painting in his home. He sold it shortly before his death.
Jr did have great side him
I wouldn’t never take my dad’s picture and if Clayton was any kinda man he would be living in his own place!!