Alena KOSTORNAIA vs Kamila VALIEVA: TRIPLE AXEL (3A)
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2024
- A brief comparison of Alena KOSTORNAIA (Алена Косторная) and Kamila VALIEVA's (Камила Валиева) TRIPLE AXEL (3A)!
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Alena Kostornaia's 3A
00:41 Kamila Valieva's 3A
01:26 Bonus 1
02:17 Bonus 2
02:44 Outro
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Aliona Sergeyevna Kostornaia (Russian: Алёна Сергеевна Косторная, born 24 August 2003) is a Russian figure skater. Kostornaia is the tenth woman in history to have landed the triple Axel jump in a senior international competition. She is the third woman after teammate Elizaveta Tuktamysheva and Rika Kihira of Japan to attempt and land the maximum number of triple jumps allowed in one senior international competition: four in the short program and eight in the long program (see Zayak rule). She first accomplished this at the 2019 Internationaux de France, and later landed all twelve triples cleanly at the 2019-20 Grand Prix Final.
She currently holds the world records for the highest total and short program scores, as well as the junior world record for the highest short program score, in ladies' skating.
Kostornaia is currently the sixth highest ranked ladies' singles skater in the world by the International Skating Union following the 2019-20 figure skating season.
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Kamila Valeryevna Valieva (Tatar: Камилә Вәлиева, Russian: Камила Валерьевна Валиева; born 26 April 2006) is a Russian figure skater. She is the 2020 Junior World champion, the 2019 Junior Grand Prix Final champion, and the 2020 Russian junior champion. She currently holds the junior world records for the highest total and free skate scores.
At the 2019 JGP France she became the second female skater behind Alexandra Trusova to land the quadruple toe loop jump.
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Which skaters would you like to see next?
Alexandra Trusova, quads now vs then
Double loop
Anna shcherbakova vs Nathan Chen quad lutz and flip
2019 Kostornaia was the best. Her transition, speed, technique, everything was perfect.
Her slide is also the most smooth in Russian female skater, smooth and beautiful.
If she was 15 right now, aliona would win the Olympics even against someone like Sasha and Anna because remember she was beating them every time with just 3A and no quads
@@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 he combined total 247 she has no chance against anna or sasha both of them got 250+
Alena is skates beautifully. The height and width of her jumps are incredible.
Aliona, her height is incredible
Do you know what happened to Koola?🥺🥺🥺
@@abdakhatoon9514 SAME! I MISS THEM SO MUCH
Kostornaia's 3A has quite traditional take-off, following unique footwork entry, and she jumps so high and far.
It's absolutely exquisite.
As a big fan of Midori Ito, I think Kostornaia's 3A is quite close to Ito's quality and much better than most men.
I love everyone's 3A, including Mao, Mirai, Liza, Rika, Wakaba, because each has its own beauty though.
Alena's 100%. She just flies. Her entry is super hard, her landing is insane as well with a falling leaf. Her jump is much more elegant, higher and longer. I don't mention her amazing skating skills, which outscore Kamila 10 times.
Ерунду не мели .камила выше на две головы.и время показала.
Net. A cho pakazala? Doping?@@user-hh6gr6sl1n
Only Alyona's jump is ideal. This soaring figure skater in the air-something incredible.
kostornia 3A has much more height and travel distance than valieva 3A. also her entry into the jump is a lot more difficult than valieva conventional entry.
alena’s 3as are just spectacular. the height she gets, the steps in her build up, and the fact that she begins rotations in the air and not in the jump. imo she’s the only skater in modern times that has a 3a comparable to midori ito, queen of 3as!
But not anymore ...
@@leeharry1565 she can easily get it back
@@xilomp3 not thats easy,all russia ladies have a very short career. If she can get it again,good for her.but she have to return to that witch coach and bet for a chance,i can see she have no choice now.let see what happening.
I’m rooting for her to get it back. Her 3As are truly among the best ever and I agree the others currently able to do 3A don’t get close to pre-covid Aliona. Crossing my fingers for her good health to she can train again!
tbh, I think both are great! Aliona's footwork into the jump is absolutely amazing and her jumps are huuuge, and I also enjoy how smooth Kamila's landing is
It's sad to see fans fighting when we can actually enjoy both skaters 🥰
Kamila's one is fully rotated and has so much smoothness, but Aliona's one is so much better bc of THAT amazing height and rotation distance!
It’s only because Kamila always does the hands over her head addition which is much more difficult precisely because it prevents the jump from having both much higher height and distance since your body isn’t as tight as the normal hands on chest which gives the jump more inertia.
@@luceafarul579 Не намного сложнее. Когда Камила не поднимает руки вверх, у неё летит ось, и она падает. Поэтому с руками наверх ей проще прыгать
@@cat_walking_by_itself axis problem is secondary, you have to be able to jump the height and speed to be able to rotate with hands over the body before fixing any axis problems. Hands over your body limits your inertia so that’s why most skaters don’t have those, that’s why it’s considered more difficult.
@@luceafarul579 Да, но конкретно Камиле так прыгать действительно проще. В том плане, что без рук наверх она постоянно падает. Когда руки поднимает, обычно с осью всё хорошо, и Камила не падает. Технически это сложнее, но для Камилы такой вариант более удобный
@@cat_walking_by_itself it doesn’t matter if it’s “easier for Kamila specifically.” If it’s objectively more difficult technically, then obviously she should get more points for it. It’s like: somebody might find it easier to do a triple axel than a triple lutz (which happens with some skaters btw, axel is more difficult but lutz is more tricky to do right), that doesn’t therefore mean for that person axels should be scored the same as a lutz. It wouldn’t be fair if the score is based on an individual to individual basis and what that individual feels is easier or more difficult, since having talents at doing more difficult things is what makes an athlete a superior athlete to begin with.
У Алены заходы просто шикарны.У Камилы выезд
Были шикарные, теперь после того, как Плющенко её развалил, всё надо восстановить
Не перестаю повторять и восхишаться- такого 3а ,как у Алены пока нет ни у кого
Hope Alena gets her gorgeous 3A back next season...otherwise it
is really sad not be able to see it again!
Aliona’s triple axel is one of the best ones of the ladies field.
Kostornaia's certainly has the wow factor. Valieva's doesn't have much more impact than a nicely done double axel, somehow, but that's nice in it's own way? like, it's nice and smooth. idk I like it but Kostornaia's would have me jumping out of my seat irl
Alena's for the height and wow factor, kamila's for the aesthetic beauty of it
Very well put
It doesn't look different than a 2A bc the height is basically the same.
ALIONA:
better lines, more seamless/difficult transition going into jump, cleaner air position
KAMILA:
faster and fuller rotations, more difficult rippon arms, beautiful hyperextended leg ending the jump
BOTH:
amazing height and distance, full package!
height for a 3A on kamila may be a stretch though. Alena does have good height, amazing height would be Midori Ito. Kamila's is the same height as 2A basically
@@mateoferretto2175 thats true; though i actually find that kamilas 3A somehow looks much more massive than her 2A (and her 2A is really the quite tiny one!). i think its because kamila has the rippon arms unlike aliona so she is still able to get the GOE for creating the illusion of height.
@@mateoferretto2175 when you have hands over your head your height in the jump would be compromised. This is even true for men doing the jumps. So the fact that Kamila could do 3A with rippon arm means her 3A is much more impressive since it’s much more difficult.
@@luceafarul579 The thing is that Kamila can't do a 3a without the rippon, because it stabilizes her air position. Kamila has a very tilted axis on her jumps, and the rippon somehow counters that to some degree.
@@trashcant69 you have to be able to have the speed and height before fixing any axis problems. She having axis problems is most likely a problem with vertigo
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Kostornaias 3A all the way!
that height and elegance 👏🏽
Kostornaia’s looks like it floats because of her slight leg wrap where as Kamila’s looks like a double cause she relies on speed of rotation rather than height. Kostornaia also has so much more height and speed leading into the jump. Def Kostornaia’s is better because of the height and how smooth it looks in the jump and leading into it (the counter and rockers). Kamila’s does seem more consistent though
Hasn't been in that enough competitions to call it consistent for me. Rika's would be consistent.
WDYM Aliona did not fail any of her 3A yet. And she landed 12 or 15 with a 100% rate and positive goe
Kamila already failed 3A 3 times in competition. And landed 3 or 4.
@@nikitashaitan9984 Eh. Kostornaia was pretty inconsistent with it at the beginning and not to mention that she doesn’t have one as of now. However, Kamila has been super consistent with it as of now. She’s landed both triple axels in both Short and Long in both prior competitions - Channel One Cup and Russian Cup Finals. Even the fall at RusNats was fully rotated, showing that she will be consistent in getting rotation.
@@mateoferretto2175 Rika’s has indeed been so consistent now. In the last year- year and a half, she’s landed nearly all of her attempts. Def, more consistent than Kostornaia’s
Aliona of course. Anyone see that HEIGHT? And the steps going into that jump 😍
Yep, i see today))
Mais Alueuna a 16 ans et Kamila n'a que 14 ans.
Kostornaia of course, the best 3A in the women field (and better than many men), along with Ito. Valieva's one is smooth but obviously she needs the rippon to stabilize her axis and more preparation than Alëna that have a more difficult transition.
Alena is poetry on ice.
They both have beautiful jumps. Aliona's trixel is more powerful and high and Valieva's rippon one is more in a ballerina style, she makes it look easy. They both have their own style.
I think Kostornaia is better at width and height and Kamila is better at flexibility and the speed of rotation.
Alyona's, of course!!! 😘😻
Team BOTH for Me😅 i like Kamilla and Kostornaya.
Im a Good Sport so it's ok who will Win in the End.
Kamila Valieva is truly incredible! Lines, components, jumps, spines are elegant refined. Her programs look solid and captivating. A very nice, hard-working girl ❤
I like Alena's better! Great technique with excellent footwork. 😊🇷🇺⛸ #3A #TeamAlena
Aliona is a pure perfection...
Alena's jump was just beautiful
Конечно АЛЁНА КОСТОРНАЯ 💜
Алёна-это безусловный талант с даром скольжения. Камила-миссионер балета в ФК, и для того что-бы нести эту миссию тоже нужен талант.
There is no comparison between these 3 A from Kostornaia and Valieva , both are good
But kostornaia one is so hight and consistent !! But look at the Hight !!! And the entrance are more difficult, but rippon I’m agree is more difficult on points bases but
Def Team kostornaia
rippon doesn't count for points anymore, I pretty sure she does it to stabilize her axis, or that's what I've heard.
@@iris7484 u sure about it , i mean about rippon don’t give more points ? Wow I thought
@@kennedygarcon8326 it used to but I think it stopped in '19/'20 season
Kamila had a really bad axis issue on her quads and 3A and as soon as she added the rippon they got more stable. I think likely it' makes the jump easier for her, even if outwardly it appears more complex.
@@kennedygarcon8326 It used to be a feature for GOE, but no longer. I mean a lot of younger skaters do rippons and tanos, by the end of the day it's like habits instead of difficult variations. Rippon or tano is difficult for skaters who've never done it because they change the balance point. But if skaters trained this variation from young age, it's no longer difficult just like a second nature to them.
Kamila😍
I get that a rippon is technically more difficult but I’m not a fan of it on an axel. It kind of just takes away from it and makes it look like any other jump
I’m not a huge fan either of the arms. Rippons and tanos are difficult if you’ve trained without and then try to add them, but if you train from the start not so much (hence they don’t add points anymore). Plus in some cases like Kamila it seems arms up help with air position rather than make jumps more difficult.
Even worst when a Rippon is done only to stabilize the otherwise awful axis in the jump technique of an skater...
Rippon like Kamila does can be a tool to stabilize ur axis and that's the one thing we don't need cuz it's the same as cheating. I'm not hating Kamila I just enjoy watching them all, but clearly if we're talking about execution then Alena is the better one she has stable axis without the rippon. We rarely see Kamila lands a jump without using rippon.
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Kamila is using her back more and aliona is using her legs. So Aliona no question for me
Kamila's jumps are special one of kind bc her arms are straight up unlike others when she jumps. looks beautiful
Не хватала Аленки. Ее стиля. Элегантного музыкального безупречного
Оказалось, что это не ее стиль, а стиль тренерского штаба
@@user-lk8is1cq8x катался не тренерский штаб, а Аленка! А ТШ раскрыл ее талант
@@simonaperez1475 , да Алёна каталась сама, безупречный стиль создан командой штаба: и прическа, и платье, и движения рук и тела, гармония всего- это заслуга именно тренеров. Они учат, как должна идти рука, должна идти нога, тело. Человек может быть гибким и талантливым, но стиль вырабатывается при помощи педагогов.
@@user-lk8is1cq8x Плисецкая танцует Лебединое. Музыка , хореография, костюм - все создано кем то . Отрепетировано тоже кем то. Но Плисецкая!!!!
@@simonaperez1475 , ну Вы сравнили. Согласна с Вами,когда за плечами человека большой опыт, но Алёна только начала формироваться в профессионала и сейчас она одна не смогла бы без команды достойных тренеров. Ведь обратите внимание, какое неудачное платье у неё было на Кубке России на короткой программе. Когда она выехала на лёд, я просто в лёгком недоумении была. Его фасон подчеркнул все, что нельзя было. Плечи показались мощными, талия куда- то пропала, ужас. Ещё хуже выглядела на первом выступлении после перехода в АП, из неё, такой симпатичной, сделали тётку 30 лет, причем именно тётку, это надо постараться так было. Поэтому и считаю, что сейчас, в данный период времени, весь ее стиль закладывается педагогами. Хочешь добиться высот, слушай, что говорят люди, которым можно доверять. А то, что она талантлива, я и не спорю, на таком уровне все талантливые.
Алена!!! У Алены был шикарнейший аксель...
Камила! Невероятная 🥰
Камила шикарна ❤️❤️❤️
Самый лучший 3А это у Алены,высокий,пролетный,легкий и с интересным заходом,ждем возврашения.
Aleona!!😍😍☺
Alena❤️
コストルナヤの助走の付け方が滑らかすぎて好きすぎる
ワリエワはタノアクセル凄すぎるんだけど手あげてるせいでなんか軸がブレてるように見えちゃってる気がする
コストルナヤ選手の助走の短さとステップからの入りがすごいです。
あとジャンプに無駄な力がなく、余裕を持った高さと回転で飛んでいるのが素晴らしいです。
ワリエワ選手はまだ助走が長いですが、すごい幅跳びですね。
問題はこれからずっとこの３Aを飛び続けられるかどうか、という事なのですが…。
Да оба трикселя крутые!
Kamila🥰
kamila said she isn’t very consistent without doing rippon which isn’t a good thing.. hope they fix it but knowing her team, they won’t
Yeah, her air position at times are frighteningly tilted. I don’t know if rippons are a long term fix. At least they’re aware...
So difficult to chose. I love both of them!
The fact that Kamila doesn’t use both her arms right before the jump and leave an arm unused makes it look less good than Aliona. Both still very well executed but the whole easthetics is better on Aliona.
You should use your arm to generate momentum in an axel though.
@@liitbro i agree
@@liitbro I think the left arm is more about height in the end and probably the axis as well. Two things she seems to struggle with.
Aliona uses both arms moving together as she steps up into the Axel, whereas Kamila sort of punches through with one arm, which I believe is more of a roller skating technique. She probably has to do that to get the rippon variation though.
The arm in front and the fact that she needs a rippon is kinda a sign of her unstable technique, and it probably won't last her very long
Камилла!!!! Kamilla!!! ✌
Kostornaia ❤❤👍👍
Как это все можно было растерять?!!!
@@user-bk8iz8jf8y I'm so sorry russian speaking i don't understand and kostornaia i love you comment thank you
Alena's entry is simply insane. That alone should make it worth more. Who cares about hand over head with an entry like that.
Обе хороши по своему!!! Алена красиво заходила на аксель, а Камила красиво выезжает из него.... Каждый прыжок уникален, он несет индивидуальность спортсменки!!
Kamila
Камила🤩
Косторная
Kamila ⚘
OMG!! This girls.... ARE AMAZING!! 🤩🤩🤩
Алена супер
У Алёны Аксель шикарный.
Был!
Да, очень эффектно она его прыгала, у многих такого и не было и не будет
@@avrora5882
почему не будет ? это не вращения и скольжение. это технический номер, и не более того.
Камила выше прыгает, выезд намного красивее, и с поднятыми руками, такое Алене и не снилось.
@@user-tv5zi9tt2u не будет, потому что нереальная высота и пролётность, очень красиво. У Камилы он ниже и дистанция короче, зато скорость вращения выше.
@@effycreek4820
статистику высоты и длины прыжков обеих сюда дайте. слова, это просто звук.
Камила супер👍👍👍
Оf course Kamila!!!!!
Kami💪👍❤️
У Камилы высокие 3 аксель
Kostarnaia did better!!!😍😍😍 Wonderful girl!
Камила лучшая🌺
Yep Aliona was highly 3 A then Valieve, but Valieve also great 😘😃☺😇😋😇
alena la más grande de todos los tiempo ⛸️👑🏅💥💯⭐🇷🇺💖 la numero 1 ⛸️👑🇷🇺
kamila is one of a kind
Kami ❤️
Камила Валиева!!!!
Team Valieva👇
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Valieva
I prefer Kamilas 3A, but Alena’s is amazing as well. It’s hard to compare 2 skaters that jump the same jump differently and beautifully yet powerful in their own ways. Kamilas rippon arms, seemingly ease, flow and extension are why I prefer her jump (as she able to mix technical and artistry in the same element) but Kostornaia has power and an iconic difficult entry while still maintaining some grace. Amazing by both of them!
Алена лучшая!!!
где?
@@user-ne6td7zp1t везде.
@@user-ne6td7zp1t В прошлом году
@@user-ne6td7zp1t
как "где" ? на 6-м месте. что в КП, что в ПП.
@@user-tm7rb1sj6g
на 6-м месте, это и есть "везде" ? от кликушества совсем крышу сносит ?
Single loop Always good video thank you and Today is my birthday in Korean time
I wish I've seen this earlier! But still, happy birthday!!
@@SingleLoop Thank you comment single loop god bless you 😍😍🥰🥰👍👍
Косторная как в масло входит и такой высокий прыжок
Был.
@@iraFinharet64 может, и будет еще. Главное, что есть к чему стремиться, как ей, так и остальным.
@@iraFinharet64 посмотрим, что останется у Валиевой в 17-18 лет, судя по широким плечам и высокому росту, ничего хорошего её не ожидает😏
@@alyonasinetskaya2210 а возможно и ожидает. Олимпийская медаль,например.
@@iraFinharet64 может и ожидает, но потом всё 🖐️Будет очередная однодневка, но хотя бы талантливая, а не просто одноразовая попрыгушка с откляченной попой))
Aliona's! Definitely!!!
ВАЛИЕВА 👍👍👍💐❤🧡💛💚💙💜❤
Kostornaia's 3A is the best I've seen since Midori Ito's. Look at the height and the clean rotation.
Браво,Камила!
Kamila!
Камила 👍👏👏👏
У Камилы аксель с поднятыми руками!
На самом деле это никакое не преимущество над Алёной. Камила сама говорила,что руки помогают ей докручивать,т.к. прыжок не настолько высокий
@@user-ib3sv6tc1h и приземляет прыжки с таким грохотом, будто лёд сейчас проломит !
I think Valieva is much better and elegant coz in the air the spins and the position is SO tight like Yuzuru's or Mika... and it looks more beautiful... of course the height in Alena looks great but even with that great height their 3a looks sometimes very very exact in the end.....
They are both amazing!!!!
Eteri really made Alena's program as a prototype for Kamila's
Можно спросить, отражаются ли в надбавках к прыжку руки вверх (риппон) ? Где-то слышала, что нет.
Раньше считались, сейчас нет
Риппон теперь только для красоты 🔥
@@user-yo6kk4xv2e вот только на акселе он мне почему-то не нравится, даже не знаю почему
@@065s8 может потому что он у Валиевой?
@@user-yo6kk4xv2e нет, Камила тут ни при чём.
Kamila has a triple axel that will not last very long in her career compared to Alena's. If you look at the take-off, the method that Kamila uses is very sloppy. Its main focus is just to bearly get up in the air and rotate. In contrast, Alena kicks her leg high up in the air in order to get the height. Alena's triple alex is more likely to have the longevity similar to that of Elizaveta's. I think that once Kamila turns eighteen years of age, a lot of her jumps will fall apart because her body will change and the technique she uses does not work on grown women, as we have seen from most of Eteri's female skaters.
I say once she is 17
You are contradicting yourself by saying that Kamila'a 3A will not survive because of a wrong technique, but you seem to forget that Aliona learned her signature jump in the same school, with the same coaches as Kami. In Eteri's school.
@@vesnaklanac4437 That' s not really a contradiction. You are assuming that both skaters had the same coaches. While both skaters did go to the same school, both had different coaches that taught them their technique. There are plenty of videos on youtube that talk about this. These videos also talk how many of the coaches who work with Eteri come from different schools of thought regarding jumping techniques.
Also if you look at both jumps in slow motion, you will see that the techniques used are totally different.
@@MM-co4lf yes, they do have different technique, but I assume they have to adjust the usual technique to skaters who are somehow out of ordinary like Kamila. For a figure skater she is already quite tall 14-year old. She is also lean, light and elongated which is why she is so exquisite and beatiful to watch, but coaches probably approach her differently in many aspects. Aliona is shorter and I believe, like in gymnastics, it is an advantage, unless you become more "round" as your body develops.
@@vesnaklanac4437 I see what you mean; however, as an ex-skater my-self I do know that there is only so much a particular technique will give. The type of adjustments that Kamila would have to do to sustain a triple axel once she becomes a full-grown woman would be pretty big. Compare the triple axels that Madori Ito did and also that of Tonya Hardings, you can see that Kamila's technique of bearly getting into the air and rotating as quickly as possible is not a technique that will last long.
The coach known as "hot Sergei" left the Eteri group not only for financial interests but also for his disagreement of the jumping techiques that gave quick results and that would last only a few years. This was the coach that taught Alena pretty much all of her triples. I would be pretty amazed if Kamila would be able to pull off a triple axel with that technique at the age of 22. Also, just to repeat the point, changing a skater's technique is very hard and can take up to 2 years to take full effect.
Конечно Аленка!!! Заход,осанка,выота! Она просто летит,так не может никто!
Алёнка ты супер.у тебя все будет хорошо
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Kamila's jump is beautiful like a bamboo shoot. ニョキニョッキ！
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I like both 3A...Alena and Kamila or Kamila and Alena.
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