WHAT HAPPENED TO KAMILA VALIEVA? Side by Side - Before and after doping scandal - Figure Skating
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2022
- Comparison of team event and the single event with scores. Before and after doping scandal - Kamila Valieva Free Program at the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing.
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It was a dramatic olympic for the Russian trio. Trusova was crying and pissed off at their coaches, Kamila was crying from the doping scandal pressure & Anna was stunned not knowing what to do despite winning the olympic. They should've not let Kamila participate in the first place, knowing well how the media would scrutinize her. They claimed she was a protected person, yet what they did made the situation worse. Poor Kamila, her coaches & doctors should've taken the blame instead.
Even under pressure and falling so much she kept going! That’s how life is. And she’s still so precise in all her lives the videos are nearly identical. Angles, hand movements, leg heighth on the lifts and stuff, so good.
Well what was she meant to do.... just stop and wait for her music to end?
@@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 sorry you feel so insecure and horrible about your pathetic life that you feel the need to go around making smart @ss comments to strangers on the internet. Literally get a life so that you have better things to do. And in fact, yes, she could’ve just given up, which is what I assume someone like yourself would probably do when things get tough in life.
Actually it’s a question !! anyone else from other countries with such falling will be in the end of board, but she was 4 ??! How??
@@juliadizhak8397 absolutely right they would be dead last with a performance like that. But somehow she was still 4th
@@juliadizhak8397You are stupid or what? She compete great at her short program and did 3A. Her components amd marks and jumps in short program were incredible. She was the one and only with the highest marks for both programs before her results and medals were stolen from her.
She was supposed to be a protected person. During the doping allegations her name should NEVER have been released. She was placed in an unbearable pressure cooker. She was left to face the press alone by her coaches and there was terrible short sightedness by the CAS.
Fair point but with the makeup of the Russian team it wouldn’t have taken much to figure out who it was.
If you're too protected to face the consequences you shouldn't be able to compete at an Olympic level.
I don't recall that her name was released. But by process of elimination, everyone knew who it was because she was the only one that young.
Then little kids should NOT compete at the Olympics.
@@tambam6744 She is not the only athlete who is "adult" in competitions while being a teenager (child if you want). Most of the skaters and gymnasts are.
She was ostensibly a protected person before, during and after the Olympics, doesn't that matter anymore? Hold the adults accountable.
No adult is taking responsibility. They are more childlike than her smh
@@september5671 Agreed
Did kamila not know that what she was doing was against the rules? Wasn’t she 15 or 16 when that happened? Old enough to know what she can do and can’t do? Why is it only the adults fault?
Valieva was not broken. The IOC (American garbage dump) forced Valieva to fall, threatening other Russian athletes with the deprivation of awards.
@@priyamanobalwhat 15 year old has access to a very specific heart medication? eteri is known to be abusive too and u dont want that hag to face consequences? disgusting
It was really helpful to see both performances side by side. That's so much pressure for a kid; even without a doping scandal. I sincerely feel sorry for her; but not as much as most people seem to. I think mainly for two reasons: 1. The "poor" performance still looked very good to me. Anyone could tell she was just distracted. People are acting like this is the most shameful, ruinous, horrible, abusive thing that could happen to a 15-year old girl. I promise, it is very very far from that. She didn't perform well - once. Her career is far from over. 2. What about the little girls who weren't doping? They didn't even get to enjoy their "once in a lifetime" moment because they were all feeling so sad and sorry for her. That's not fair either.
we don’t know what happens behind the scenes on a day to day basis, so you don’t know if it’s not the most abusive thing, because we don’t know the whole story
I remember the threat of the head of the IOC Bach, if Valieva takes a place on the podium, no one will receive a medal.
Camilla's free program is an athlete's feat, a sacrifice in favor of teammates, and verified mistakes of the season leader for the fourth (!) Place.
It was ok with skating skills but not with jumping - even if skating almost clean Kamila has awful prerotations and full blade take offs
you don’t know what happens behind closed doors. if they’re willing to give her 3 different heart meds to make her train longer hours, they’re absolutely willing to abuse an athlete for results. i would call doping a form of abuse already if kamila was uncomfortable with it.
you clearly know nothing about being a skater but it’s ok, she might never get a chance to perform at such important events ever again due to her coaches abusive teaching style. her injuries will start to build up and eventually will have to stop competing at an early age. also for non figure skater both performances will look great! but for us we see every flaw and every under rotated jump and its crucial that we don’t mess that up. it’s truly sad some people can’t see the abuse kamilas coach puts on all her students
That was the only way to get a medal ceremony and announcing Scherbakova as an Olympic Champion after the IOC President announced that IF she was in the top 3, then no medal ceremony would have been taken. She became a double victim and played her sad role there...
Именно так она и сыграла, она очень сильная и гениальная!!!! А Шербакова это поняла и даже не ожидала и не могла проявить свою победу т.к. Всё было и так понятно...
She didn’t skate bad on purpose . She still really wanted to win even considering everything happening. .
It is a terrible injustice to this dedicated and talented skater. The people she trusted did her dirty. Yes, the test results were 6 weeks old. Yes, another non banned drug can leave metabolites similar, so the testing must be very specific to determine the results. IMHO, there is reasonable doubt. However, the ruling went against Russian skating authorities, and that my, friends, is where this blame should rest. She was victimized by the people she was supposed to be able to trust. I wish her well. She did her best and held up with dignity and grace. So now, 2 years later, medals are awarded. There are no winners in this, only sadness for the invalidating of all the hard work and dedication to all the skaters involved.
This is terrific. Thank you for this.
Танец от Камилы это спектакль как первый вариант 178 баллов. Она одна одарена балетными способностями на льду + вращения+4оборота прыжки+ 3 аксель + сила воли и огромным трудолюбием. То что нашли в единствнной пробе из числа сданных Камилой имеет подозрение.
Другим спортменам за подобные нарушения назначали 6 месяцев дисквалификации или выговор.
Камиле 4 года. Я возмущена
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Wow. I feel for her. Who is giving her those drugs? She was such a breathe of fresh air, so beautiful on ice this is heartbreaking That poor child 4 year ban wow
She is not a child ?? 17 years is it a child?
@@juliadizhak8397yes, it is
@@juliadizhak8397 She was 15 at that moment.
Dear you need to study doping cases , she had this probe 3 month before Olympics. Check how many probes was checked after this probe , and all of the was clean .
They found traces of ml , it means that any product even toothpaste can give this results . Olympics became dirty as it is , so much ugly games .
@@juliadizhak8397 what is wrong with you? 17 is a child wow. She's been skating all her life to get to this level and then it was just gone that must be devastating. Jesus have a heart wow
This is so sad. You never want to see someone completely crash and burn like this. Her coaches orchestrated this. I believe she had little to no idea.
Thank you for that video!!!! shes brilliant im so sorry for her :(((
She is athlete with doping
@@juliadizhak8397and figure skater from America who is going to become a champion in command competition took doping too.. How silly. Kamila took doping that hardly helps and only for people with heart disease. She took it once, when to reach even a little effect you need to take it systematically. And what dopping took your champion?
Hardly helps ?? How do you know that? Did you train with her!!
Who from USA??
@@juliadizhak8397 Yes. You can easily google that her doping is trimetazidine. It has a cumuculative effect and in her doping test she had only traces of the drug, which means she took it once. It’s a common drug in many pills, like from sore throat.
@@juliadizhak8397Mackenzie Headley for example. ( Same age as Kamila) was caught with dooping twice. But WADA didn't even mentioned it. Yeah, of course, because Americans are always for honest sport. So true
Anyone that had been following them over the years could notice right away that she had given up, either consciously or unconsciously. IOC had said right before that, if she were on podium, no medal would be awarded. To make everything clear, right after the performance Eteri Tutberidze just questioned her why she had stopped fighting and given up, a reception that shocked Thomas Bach, IOC President, is his own words.
I was so confused I didn't know she performed twice! I was watching one video where she wasn't falling and the other one where she was. I thought I was going crazy 😂
I’m confused also. She skated twice?
@@JuicyFashion11 team event and individual
She is a figurstating genius !!!! She is a 15. Bravo. She a best of the best...
Через её тренерский штаб за 10 лет прошло сотни детей, десятки выступали на международных стартах, пройдены сотни допинг тестов. А положительную пробу нашли ТОЛЬКО в одной пробе у САМОЙ топовой спортсменки, отправившейся на Олимпиаду. Просто ненависть и ЗАВИСТЬ к штабу, который забирал ВСЕ зодотые медали достигла предела и их подставили.
Podran atacar de diversas formas a una niña brillante pero jamás van a detener su carrera tiene mucho por delante.
As a musician it looks clear to me that she was rushing and not locked in with the beat and music. This happens when we're nervous, musicians often speed up tempo when playing live. Surely the scandal affected this 15 year old girl a lot, and made her very nervous. Sad, the Russian state doping robbed the world of the greatest skating talent ever seen
Her coaches and team should get a lifelong ban. How many young girls will they be allowed to destroy mentally and physically?
I swear if it wasn’t Russia they would have been banned. Russia and China (latter using girls who are clearly too young). Tend to get passes for breaking the runs. Very few Russians are eligible to compete in the Olympics now but they should be forced to compete under a non Russian/Russian controlled country in order to be able to compete again. Russia needs to be banned.
😢😢😢 the pressure
She was under an enormous pressure but she decided to perform! She is very strong and I hope CAS will change their mind. There is no doping that will make any person as flexible, as tender and beautiful as Valieva is. She is a brilliant of figure skating!
I'll always wonder if she fell so much because of pressure or if they told her to fell to avoid more scandals
I think she was flat out drained.
Ей донесли, что в случае, если она будет претендовать на медаль, , вся команда будет лишена церемонии награждения. В конце проката, когда ждали оценок, она расплакалась: "зато награждение не отменят" Этим скандалом несуществующего допинга её поставили в условия "или ты или команда твоей страны" . Самое гнусное воздействие. Она оказалась слишком хороша, чтобы соревноваться с ней в честной игре.
@@FanuzaBaidigital you mean the doping rusada decided was not relevant but Wada disagree?
She fell because of the pressure. I find it interesting that, in 2014, Eteri had another star pupil, Julia Lipnitskaya. Eteri insisted that Julia skate both programs in the team event. Her iconic free skate garnered much media attention--so much that the pressure built on her to win the gold medal in the individual event. Instead, she fell and came in 5th, I think. That was also, basically the end of her career. The Eteri-group skaters are already under so much pressure to perform and also to keep from being replaced by a newer, younger skater. It is no wonder that they often buckle under the pressure.
@@skatefan9495I am sorry, any athlete is under immense pressure at the Olympics)) Kwan, Chen, Yuzuru and many more great athletes (also much older and experienced than Kamila) could not withstand this pressure and Eteri wasn’t coaching them😂😂. But there’s always someone who can. Take Scherbakova, Medvedeva and Zagitova, all skating clean at their Olympics and their coach somehow wasn’t a problem 😂
Камила-бабочка, которой оборвали крылья злобные людишки с чёрными душонками. Абсолютно чистая, светлая девочка, которую оклеветали. Не было никакого допинга! Были следы вещества в мизерной дозе, которые обнаружила мутная лаборатория с нарушением всех правил и сроков. Позор такому "судейству". Проиграла не Камила, проиграло мировое фигурное катание. Наслаждайтесь своими кривоногими Лунами Хэндрикс и Карэн Чен с допотопным катанием..
Камила Валиева - кобыла на льду. Она слишком крупная для фигурного катания. Отсюда и допинг. Не может кататься самостоятельно. 🐀🐀
Луна не кривоногая, у нее почти такая же фигура как у Камилы и это в 24 года и катается она неплохо. Я это говорю при том, что от Камилы без ума
She was behind beat all the time but with this music, it was hard to tell. No wonder Eteri chose this music for her
大人的問題，要一個15歲小孩承受，難以想像。
This is why these programs are never memorable. If the skater is rushed or is behind the music, you cannot tell because anything could be playing in the background and can still be considered artistic. A great example of what I mean can be referenced to Yuna Kim's Adios Nonino FS cannot be even a single second behind the music because that's a truly refined and sophisticated program with every moment of her movement seamlessly matched to every beat.
If you can't remember her programmes it isn't called "never memorable" by the way
She sacrificed herself so her teammates could get their medals.
correct
More like Eteri sacrifaced her ready to replaced her with someone younger just like what she did to all her past students
interesting to see how the program varied bewtwen the two in erms of timing
She was so beautiful and I think the drug she took is stupid. No drug can transform someone like that. But heartbreak can crush her. I wish she did not have to deal with this. She is lovely and I watch her on repeat any day
Im sry u all can say she caved under the pressure due to the doping scandal that girl has been dominate all year an solid in team event an short an then have the worst skate of her life in fs nope putin has power an with her being told if she won the Russians would an nobody else woukd recieve a medal. I believe she deliberately skated bad to protext russia an was pressured to do so by putin an the Russians
И тут Путин)) Ну вы блин даете. Живу в России. У меня сейчас кошка с подоконика свалилась. Пойду гляну может ее Путин столкнул))
I don't think Eteri told her to fail in her individual competition because of her anger towards Kamila after the program.
She is a good actress too
The whole team was talking about medal , pressure from not getting it .
Eteri Tuberitze rigged this whole competition and set everything up for the other two, particularly Anna. She ruined Kamila and will most likely disregard her like trash when she has aged out.
This beautiful girl took the brunt of her coaches shame . I still believe she was told to fall on the individual event. She was too solid in warm up, practice, and the team event. Her falls don’t even look real on some of the jumps. Just silly.
I pray God gives her a chance to redeem herself professionally. She deserves it and there just won’t be another Kamila. She is pure beauty and grace. I don’t think I will ever forget the pain in her eyes and on her face after each of her individual performances. I couldn’t look anymore. Her team and teammates are awful and only out for themselves.
I also believe right from the beginning that she was told to fall... most falls clearly look set up and if she was to take a medal, no medals would have been given until the procedure was finished.. which I think still hasn't.. so she just had to come fourth or lower... in order for the medalls to be given to other athletes. Clearly she was under immense pressure...
Kamila really is a miracle. Not only she is pure beauty and grace, she is also very athletic.
I agree, Kamila is amazing!!!
Well, Kamila is going through puberty with grace and looks beautiful even though she’s clearly struggling in her new mature female shape. And it sure doesn’t look like Eteri is dumping her like trash.
Вы такую херню несете! Зачем ее тренеру, ее же уничтожать. Этери тутберидзе великий тренер, именно у нее самые лучшие фигуррсткт в мире.
Валиева сейчас уже не та. Она просто шедевр. Она повзрослела расцвела. Стала более женственной. Это уже не ребенок. Завораживает. Каждый жест. Глаз оторвать невозможно. Техника как всегда. Шедевральна. И еще в ней есть личность. Достоинство невероятное. ruclips.net/user/shortsDkUXa13saSM
Why was it necessary to destroy Valieva?? The gold medal went to Russia anyway.
The test results destroyed her.
Dear you need to study doping cases , she had this probe 3 month before Olympics. Check how many probes was checked after this probe , and all of the was clean .
They found traces of ml , it means that any product even toothpaste can give this results . Olympics became dirty as it is , so much ugly games .
Team gold medal . Competition between girls. Every skater favorite of someone. This time everyone knew who will Win gold . This probe was forgotten by trainers , RUSWADA , medical staff . Any test have to have results after ( but not with Valieva)
The adults who gave her the drugs destroyed her. She should of never been given anything that could jeopardize her future as a skater
This explained the bitter truth better than any other video could have.
Valieva was not broken. The IOC (American garbage dump) forced Valieva to fall, threatening other Russian athletes with the deprivation of awards.
Some people in the comments assume she knew she was taking a banned substance. How do they know that? It's more likely she didn't. She was a minor... a protected person. That should ALWAYS matter. Kamila was a very compliant child who lived in their bubble. Punishment is too severe. Blame the adults. Something is very wrong with the CAS ruling.
Such an obvious Russian troll. Do you think we can’t tell? Everyone knows the Russian athletes mostly know they are doped. We don’t blame the child. But we do blame the adults and your government.
Not one Russian athlete should be at the Olympics in 2024. We all know that the reason they will be is corruption between Russia and IOC and WADA.😊
@@ejd5261 Actually I'm an American. Funny how the doping allegations hit the fan the day after the Russian team wins gold. Nothing suspicious about that. Everything reeks of politics... precisely because of what you pointed out. Valieva was the victim of repeated child abuse by the Russians and the short sightedness of the CAS. And the media? Guilty until proven innocent. The protection of minors should always be the top priority. The CAS failed to exercise discretion in their harsh ruling. Do you throw the book at a previously abused child just because the rule book says you can? My heart goes out to her. All the more the pity because child prodigies are a rarity. Is it fair for her to compete while taking a banned substance? No. Does she skate the way she does because of that substance? Hell no. What a debacle. Don't expect another Valieva to come spinning along anytime soon.
一共7个跳跃，5个失败，只成功了一个3loop和一个3+3，太不可思议了！
To je skladba Caroliny Kostner?
Slušné: hop, hop, hop, hop, hoooop, hop... umělecký zážitek 0.
Rozdíl mezi závodnicemi je sice jen ...16 let, ale Kamila také jednou dospěje a předvede nám ve 30 letech něco víc, než hop hop hop. Předvede nám nezapomenutelný umělecký zážitek.
Oh vamos, el después no es relevante, era una adolescente asediada por la prensa, presionada por los entrenamientos, qué se puede esperar
Had no idea they do the same choreo
It was a set up!
Her component score honestly should have been lower for the single event....there was nothing there. She was literally just trying to finish her routine.
She performed twice? Someone please explain
It's different categories yes she performed twice team event and individual event.
Как больно видеть этот прокат. Ненавижу тех , кто довел гениальную девочку до этого срыва😢
Her own team who drugged her
@@Jeremy-wp4yhты в курсе, что тест может быть положительным даже если ты принимал абсолютно любые таблетки и капли от носа. Так что не надо вякать про наркотики
@@Jeremy-wp4yhпочитайте в интернете про триметазидин. Он вызывает головокружение и абсолютно бесполезен для фигуриста! Проверяйте то дерьмо, которое вам льют в уши
@@violettagfShe is a DOPER!
@@Jeremy-wp4yhIn case you didn't know, the test results were made in December, and the Olympiad was in February, that is, more than 1.5 months have passed since the appointment, so the whole thing is made up, live with it
She was ostensibly a protected person. Turn to the adults.
A estas alturas he llegado a pensar que por envidia alguien de su mismo equipo la pudo haber boicoteado.
Я тоже так думаю.
何の疑いもない状態でホント見たかったな
she is a very strong girl , even after falling twice she kept doing. without minding her pain . keep up love you kamila
“Russians cheat”… was told that by numerous Russian artists. It’s their culture. She was a minor. Influenced by some were powerful people. I hope she recovers and claims her self-respect. Her talent deserves that.
true shitty culture and people
It's amazing to me how the choreography and expression have absolutely nothing to do with the music; she somehow finds a way to be completely disconnected from its intoxicating nature. She could be skating to anything. The arm movements and overextensions are so superfluous, it feels likes she trying to cram as many in as possible, rather than putting intention behind them. While the jumps look impressive on paper, there is some weird technique going on that isn't quite exemplary. The triple axel in the team event was landed so easily (after she had never done the jump previous to that season) that there is NO WAY she was not seeing the positive effects of doping. Not buying it.
Do you even know what drug she tested positive in... this girt is talented no heart medication can do that lol
Kamila's talent is unique in this world: her flexibility to stretch in the candle stick as well as her expressive mouvements are there for all to admire. That is why in the individual programme, the hateful journalists and invidious people did everything to prevent her from being on the podium, using the most despicable lies and diffamation. Doping has never been proven. I am so happy she has regained her strength, her quads, her outstanding performance in Mongolia is the proof that the evil people who complotted her downfall did all that to no avail. We will continue to enjoy her art and beautiful performances. What a joy to be able to see such extraordinary people as Kamila, Anna and Yuzuru Hanyu who are truly the gems of figure skating.
Doping has been proven, in her positive test. Not at this event, of course. Journalist and others didn't keep her off the podium. She didn't deliver. I actually blame it on her coaches for putting her under too much pressure.
Doping scandal? Why not add "alleged" for clarification.
Do you think the test results were wrong?
@@skatefan9495 the second test showed no drugs. Any way, until proven guilty (in court) isn't a person supposed to be innocent.
@@user-uv3hc7zb6uhahaha this aged well
and all the demons from WADA will go to hell one day
Туда им и дорога. Амин.
The devils who doped her up and put her through this will go to hell one day. WADA must not be blamed for doing the right thing by protecting fair play in sport and if there is any justice in the world USA will take that team gold.
@@rus1285конечно заберут! США всегда идут по головам других стран - вот и вся ваша справедливость
@@rus1285ofc, but why don't you mention that honest sport is a sport where only Americans take first places? And no matter at what cost. Bullying Russian skater? Why not
@@Rimanicosi no one said that a USA victory equals honest sport. Honest sport is doping getting the punishment it deserves.
Kamila is amazing, she was my favorite it 2022 even though she is Russian. She's amazing, she skated with so much joy, I was just so awestruck watching her!
I agree with you, Kamila is a great skater. But why did you say "Even thought she is russian"? Why is a person's nationality important here. She and the other Russian athletes did not start this war
А че вам, что она русская! Да! Русская! Великая! И помните, что она из России! Националистка что ли?
And still overscored.
Yes, on the second mark. She should have come in 11th, with a 135. Her PCS should have been around 64, not 70. She still would have been 4th overall.
@@skatefan9495 I don't even know how that pcs is possible considering the mandatory deductions from the falls.
@@Jeremy-wp4yh Good point, though the deductions are from the TES. I gave her 8's assuming the judges wouldn't go lower than that.
@@skatefan9495 I've read the ISU guide on pcs. There are mandatory deductions after
a minor error
1 major error
more Than 1
more than 2 major errors.
In other words it's still too high. Falls do affect pcs.
@@skatefan9495if you are so "professional" about scoring then go find a job as a judge. No one needs your opinion about techniques that you found in Google 5 minutes ago
15 YEARS OLD AND STILL THE INCREDIBLE BEST FIGURE SKATER IN THE HISTORY OF SKATING !!!!
(. 6 QUADRUPLETS IN ONE WORLD COMPETITIVE
EVENT !!!! AND PERFECT !!!
Which event was that?
I mean, I do feel really bad, especially because we never know whether it was the young lady's mistake or whether her coach or family pressured her into it. That said, some people are acting extremely sympathetic, as if the world somehow set this young lady up. I feel really bad, so don't get me wrong, but even being a teenager is no excuse for cheating. some people enroll in colleges as young as 15/16 (outliers, for sure, but it happens). And if these people were caught cheating on an exam, no one would rush in and say, "oh but they're so young!!!" It's like, no, you're not an adult, but you should know what's right and what's wrong. I feel sympathy, for sure, but only so much. After all, there were other competitors in this competition.
On a side note, why not let everyone just dope haha. Because then you're levelling the playing field, if everyone's doing it, and you're not spending scores of money to test people or to even retract their medals. Mind you, I'm no figure skater; just musing.
I think people are mainly saying that because there couldve been a chance she didnt even know she had ingested those substances. She knew as good as other skaters how high the stakes were, so there would have had to have been some form of reluctance if she knew
She has a condition called athletic heart. It causes heart palpitations, a heart murmur, low blood pressure, dizziness, fainting spells. I wonder if her coach laced a supplement thinking she needed it to normalize her heart
@@justsayn8929 you realize she was told to say that because her coaching staff does not want to be investigated. This absolves them from any responsibility by saying it was Grandpa's water. Eteri is more powerful then you realize not only in Russia but outside with the ISU as well. Go back to an interview with her with the ISU from 5 years ago and you can see how much they Fawn over Eteri
@@justsayn8929 I can't believe you don't understand that Kamila is under the direction of her coaches. You need to look more into her coaching staff to understand and appreciate. Kosternia another beautiful skater has spoken about that she was forced to train with broken bones or else leave their training. She finally left because she did not want to continue to ruin her body. As a former figure skater and best friends with the competitive figure skater she said the worst thing you could do is train through injury and this is what these girls are made to do. Imagine what else they do to them?
Nobody took Phelphs medals or records after being found dope. He even recognized he used maryjane in a "recreative" way...
Also nobody punished the whole swiming team for it...
And he isn't the first one: you remember that runner of USA...
He had his record until Bolt.
Is not fair the both RUS olympics ban
Weed isn’t a PED. Phelps has never tested positive for PEDs.
@@jenkins5265 hahaha do you think that? Try to argument withouth arguments. Weed is a subtance prohibited and was tested positive in a national competition, wich the fed says is after or before an olympic competition
Phelps didn't break any anti-doping rules. And by the way, he was banned from competing for 3 months by the US, even though they didn't have to do anything.
@@annie5741 and... the whole federation of swimmng got banned? The whole country got banned? No. He got tested for weed and IOC didn't do anything.
Gatlin still having everything, after more than 10 athlets and para athlets of US with forbiden substances, the national federation didn't get punished as Rusia did.
@@dafnebolson Why would they get banned for not doing anything wrong? And Gatlin was banned multiple times because as opposed to RUSADA, they take that stuff seriously. It also helps that they don't have a state sponsored doping program.
Sotnikova's sample was obviously tempered with, yet she got away with it.
So what if she was a teenager, you don't cheated on her gold 🥇 medal medals for the others wins others. Im glad they banned 🚫 her for four years now and took away other medals she won.
And still inflated score.
What happened? She had to look the world in the face as a cheater and a fraud and realize that she was ultimately still not good enough for the podium.
Because if you have to use, you're not good enough.
These drugs don’t do anything. I think the scandal talk itself is a scandal
The main difference is the cheater was in the closet at the team event, and then was revealed at the individual event. Karma is a bish.
Did yall read the case file? She was clear from any drugs at the Olympics which meant she was clean during both skates, Her test from Europeans came back positive which meant she had drugs in her system at Europeans not Olympics
Oh and the announcement of someone being positive was made during teams events but it was only said that they are investigating who it was which they knew already and then they revealed the name after the team's event was over.
@@Yurito12 she was cleared by RUSSIA, not by WADA, dont spread misinformation. RUSADA isn’t trustworthy on an international level. But im sure there are plenty of Russian competitions she can participate in LOL
@@Yurito12 the Russians dope during training, not competitions.
That’s how they get around the doping rules: by being clean during the competitions, but taking drugs during training.
It’s state sponsored corruption.
As flawless as her skating was before the doping scandal was, you have to wonder would she have skated as cleanly if she wasn’t supplied with the drug enhancement!
ofc, I think that if she didn't dope she would've won, but yea if you dope you dope and you should face the consequences, it's sad to see one of the biggest talents ever go down like this too.
@user-vn6iq5fv6n idk Russian what are you saying
As obvious as it can be, her Olympic test is 100% clean 😅
Listen, nobody seems to be talking about this and I suspected this all along. Kamila has a condition called athletic heart. It causes a heart murmur, heart palpitations, low blood pressure, dizziness, and fainting spells. Severe severe cases could even lead to your heart to stop beating. Perhaps her coaches thought she needed the heart medication to normalize her heart. Why they did not get a therapeutic use exemption is beyond me, oerhpas they thought they're above the rules??? But her talent is real and it is extraordinary she's the best skater in the world and the history of the sport. I followed her career since 6 years old onwards and no doubt she is prodigy. Go watch girl on a ball a magnificent junior championship performance and that was only a few weeks into training with her coach Eteri. Eteri needed Kamila to look good, not the other way around
Никакой допинг не поможет так гениально кататься. Допинг может только усилить выносливость-вот и все. Посмотрите на ее идеальное катание, на ее скольжение, на ее руки. Так кататься не может никто в мире. Камила гений фигурного катания и это факт.
so lemme get this right. she was only good because of the drugs ?
Yes and no. Drugs only enhance the performance. This was the result of abuse. She isn’t a good skater speaking technique.
She was clean in both video
Why don't you go and try to get rid of your bias? Typical american attitude, can't win go and discredit the winning opponent. Disgusting. @@natalie-fq1ty
@@natalie-fq1tywhat are you talking about?! She was clean. Absolutely. a micro-doze of trimetazin was found in 2021 at Russian Chempionship. And we don’t believe that she took it. What for?!
Anyway, she is a genius. That choreography and this level of scating and understanding of programm you can’t achieve with any drugs.
@@annalipa6198 Skating "clean" is not equivalent to good technique. Landing your triples and quads does not take away from heavy prerotation, poor axis, minimal edges and wrong edges, full blade take offs... Just because the judges do not penalize such doesn't make it correct. Kamila is a beautiful performer, but the technique is not there.
what happened to kamilyoshka was: americans :(
LMAO - are you for real? The Russians did this to themselves.
@@PeirsolFan2it’s clear that all this show was put on my the USA😊
What happened was she doped ie cheated
Absolutely not. The Americans had nothing to do with this. The Americans don’t run WADA. They don’t run CAS. They don’t run the ISU. They had no say in this. And they aren’t the ones who doped Kamila Valieva. That was her team that did that. The Russians did this to themselves.
Uh, yeah I'm not an anti-Russia person, in fact I completely see the hypocrisy in how the west is treating Russia, but I'm gonna have to pass on this one. The Russians have REPEATED anti doping violations and obscene overscoring in this sport, to the point where the 2014 winner recently admitted one of her samples had a drug in it but she was acquitted because her second sample was fine, when we know that year the Olympics was in Russia and there was found to be state sponsored doping.
Such a drug lover
I bet you are about yourself? Yes right. Kamila is the greatest
@@Rimanicosi yes! She is the most shamless drug lover!
yes! She is the most shamless drug lover!
gotta love you guys; got caught by drug testing and you deny it; pathetic cheater like her@@Rimanicosi