It's open source. Any Github user can fork the repo and take it in a whole different direction. Donors can support the fork instead of the woke upstream project.
I was wondering about this. I dont have an in depth understanding about licensing. But it would be awesome to have a godot-like thingy thats managed by reasonable and long-term-trustworthy people.
@thelunkygreenhorn654 That is not an excuse for a divisive tweet that started it all, the CM was 100% aware of how divisive this topic was and decided to turn Godot engine into a political platform instead of sticking to the being about game development. Literally all that people want and what they ASKED ALSO in the comments was for godot to stay apolitical and guess what? They got banned
@thelunkygreenhorn654 Also, that does NOT excuse banning people "accidentally". If you ban people "on accident" you really need to consider another job position because you can't even be bothered to verify that your use of power is justified
Game engines are the most non-political items, both political sides can use it, a game engine is the perfect item to AVOID these topics but no, even with such a product there will always be one activist who will ruin in.
Because everyone knows demonizing,censoring and silencing anyone who dares giving criticism and doesn't mindlessly agree with your world views is the pinnacle of "virtue" and "tolerance"! "it's fine when WE do it!"
They'll just call you a yatzhee and think no further upon it. Because the mid-century Germans are the apotheosis of pure evil, but somehow the modern Left hates the Jews too? Yeah, makes perfect sense to me :P
Keep in mind that Godot was to serve as an alternative to Unity that already alienated small game studios and developers. The tragedy is that most of the games made using the engine are indie games (I support our smaller game studios in the midst of the AAA collapse). I don't want to see these studios be yanked and bullied like this. But, if Godot won't do anything to resolve this, then I imagine the donators are going to start disappearing. The money will dry up.
Imagine calling gamers toxic, but keeps a manager who said a racial slur (multiple times) This is the woke mob who has the audacity to think they're the good guys
There is already a fork called Redot, I am doing my part spent all day teaching new devs how to code. It has about 700 members I think and started today.
Wokot saying their community discord is not a part of the company is a gaslight. They are completely tied together and the CM was not held accountable. Now they are conflating criticism with abuse. They can pound sand.
We need laws for using words like "abuse" and "harassment" just like the word "rape". If you claim to get harassed you better have been harassed or you should be open to civil litigation and criminal charges.
thanks for covering this. I've been using Godot for the past year, I never agreed to being part of a "woke" community, neither would I want my games to endorse this madness.
Actually, most indie game devs are gamers in and of themselves. Many developers in AAA studios are also such, though their personal decisions are more or less overshadowed by their employers' interests.
I think the point is similar to being a professional musician means you don't merely refer to yourself as primarily a music listener anymore, but a creator.
The Godot Foundation should hire a professional PR team instead of letting random JOKER manage the community. The leadership should stop treating Godot like a garage hobby project.
"Always accuse your enemies of that which you are doing, to sow the most confusion." That's a quote from the popular Leftist book, The Rules For Radicals. Seems very familiar, doesn't it?
Politics and culture wars should be the last thing on your mind when you go for a job. Which is why my mother cannot stand half the people she works with.
This is unbelievable. Even game engines... It's time to stop this madness. It's time to understand these kind of people are destructive and harmful to others and themselves. These people need help, not jobs like moderators, directors, and presidents. It's time to stop.
So they are expecting (wrongly blocked) people, to fill up form and prove themselves innocent. For something that the other they themselves (CM) wrongdoing ... ? Is this an Apology or an excuse
This is what happens to a community/fandom when you don't GATEKEEP! Man, I actually miss the days when nerds like me were outcasts, keeping to ourselves, minding our business, doing our thing, before things went "mainstream."
The community moderator was a plant by Unity to restore their market position after the installation fee damage caused them to lose developer interest. If I was wearing a tinfoil hat. That's what I'd think.
6:34, Don't get fooled by the founder Juan, he 100% condones his CM and moderator behavior; he is just pretending to be surprised and "overwhelmed" by this situation. He also has gone into a blocking spree, and he's NOT going to do anything about the situation because this was a "cleansing" process that he supported front the get-go, but he will play the "hostage" role, that he's "powerless" to do anything because he "doesn't know" what's going (playing fool), and he will ride that as long as he can just to look good and sway a few fools to keep donating to him. Also, you may hear something about Yuri that he was "unjustly" fired because he's Russian, but he was fired for being an uber activist and pos (like xanax), not even the other activist could stand him. The whole Godot foundation is a rat nest that was somewhat hidden.
Godot had success handed to them on a silver platter via Unity’s debacle & wisely did not get in the way of their enemy making a mistake & _then.._ *_then_* fumble while running in a game-winning touchdown.
I understand Godot contributors being woke, I mean dude, you can be whatever you want, but please be professional and keep this out of your workplace. Not everyone shares your views and THAT'S OK!
As A Game Designer I saw this coming after a vidoeb was made on the creator over a year ago for blocking people, they made their money now let them go out in a Blaze Of Politics 😂
Have they learned nothing from the gamer gate and all of the boycotts done to the companies that tried to force this garbage on users? I mean seriously, how tone deaf are these people? Their main users are people who hate stuff being forced on them, they ought to have known this will blow up in their faces. I will continue using the engine since I really like it, I never even bothered looking into who made it. Its a nice tool to use and I do wish it will continue to grow, even without these lunatics in charge. I am pretty sure people are going to fork the source code and continue working on it, it sucks that we won't be getting quick updates, but what can you do. Lessons need to be taught and hopefully they will get better.
4:18 True, it was an "official" server but not created by Godot Foundation itself, few months ago Godot decide to create their own server If you check the archive, June 17 it will be as official server but July 08 they changed the server
Whoever wrote that other statement, and I'm almost positive it was the community manager who started this mess, clearly didn't like how the owner said that Godot wanted to keep things apolitical. So they made that other statement to inflame things among developers and consumers.
An open source engine destroys itself? If the current people behind the engine mess up, others will come, that's exactly the advantage of an open source engine with a MIT license. It's like Linux. If someone screws up, Linux won't go under. And comparing Godot to unity is pretty limited. They are two completely different approaches. That's why I just say, drama drama drama.
Чуть больше года назад начинала изучать unity и БАЦ! Скандал с лицензионным соглашением и больше нет доверия... Тогда выбор изменился на godot ивот снова скандал и снова прощай доверие😭 Это уже похоже на закономерность...
Ok I’m seeing stuff about the person saying stupid shit (which I don’t care about, it’s the internet) but I’m not actually seeing how the game engine is woke which is what I care more about. Sources? I can’t seem to find anything other than what the person said.
Couple months ago they announced some sort of lgbt or gay gamejam or some shit and i was like "why?" Well i cant remember exactly but knowing me it would have been like "why, this is stupid" but yeah, they banned me. Instantly uninstalled godot. Dont need it, i know how to code, i can use any game engine and if i really wanted to prove a damn point id make my own shit. Point is - i dont need them, they need me.
Hey Vara! Can you cover the recent news with Stellar Blade and how Shift Up is giving the fans what they want! Good to hear something positive every once in a while.
watched an interesting video today with Ben Shapiro, he was saying that he thinks we have reached 'peak woke', meaning that its all downhill from here onward for people who do any DEI related work. We are very likely to see many of the DEI teams within companies being let go and workplaces returning to how things were before
Make me think of the moderators of the game 7DTD. Not that they're really banning, but let's say that the mods there will attack you if you ever "doubt" the lords and saviors that made the game and are slowly but surely destroying it RN.
Well I sold my ps5 today store credit got another ps3 and sooooooooo many games better than the ps5 im sorry I tried my best but I couldn’t keep something if im not able to enjoy it with all the censorship and politics that comes with the ps5
Well, when you say that you dont like a thing that someone made you hurt this someones feelings, so... they can make an argument. Pretty much any critique can have this effect since it depends on a person and not a fixed value. And since west for the last few decades promoted this "feelings stuff" you surprised that we have what we have? What is surprising that its not began much earlier and not much worse at this point, but dont worry, its going to be worse :)
If "toxic" means being normal and having common sense, call me the F'n Toxic Avenger.
It's open source. Any Github user can fork the repo and take it in a whole different direction. Donors can support the fork instead of the woke upstream project.
That's what needs to happen
that would be the most beautiful thing to see
People are already doing so. The current most popular one is Redot, I believe.
There are some forks out there already, like the recently created Redot Engine
I was wondering about this. I dont have an in depth understanding about licensing. But it would be awesome to have a godot-like thingy thats managed by reasonable and long-term-trustworthy people.
The games industry doesn't need community managers, 98% of the time they do more damage to a companies reputation than anything.
Godot: "Could I be so out of touch?... No, it is the Gamers who are wrong."
the irony of them saying toxic
"The whole world must learn our peaceful ways by force" -Blender
@thelunkygreenhorn654 That is not an excuse for a divisive tweet that started it all, the CM was 100% aware of how divisive this topic was and decided to turn Godot engine into a political platform instead of sticking to the being about game development. Literally all that people want and what they ASKED ALSO in the comments was for godot to stay apolitical and guess what? They got banned
@thelunkygreenhorn654 Also, that does NOT excuse banning people "accidentally". If you ban people "on accident" you really need to consider another job position because you can't even be bothered to verify that your use of power is justified
Game engines are the most non-political items, both political sides can use it, a game engine is the perfect item to AVOID these topics but no, even with such a product there will always be one activist who will ruin in.
They have to bring politics into everything.
The foundation itself supported the activist, though.
Game engines was the stupidest things to politicize particularly one that is open source ultimately Godot has no control on this.
Well depends. Game engines can be political. Just look at the Unreal guidelines. You better not use whitelist/blacklist or ELSE!
A completely neutral product, and one side of politics just can't stop themselves.
I've watched Godot's rating drop on Steam from very positive to mostly postive yesterday to now mixed.
Because everyone knows demonizing,censoring and silencing anyone who dares giving criticism and doesn't mindlessly agree with your world views is the pinnacle of "virtue" and "tolerance"!
"it's fine when WE do it!"
They'll just call you a yatzhee and think no further upon it. Because the mid-century Germans are the apotheosis of pure evil, but somehow the modern Left hates the Jews too? Yeah, makes perfect sense to me :P
Keep in mind that Godot was to serve as an alternative to Unity that already alienated small game studios and developers. The tragedy is that most of the games made using the engine are indie games (I support our smaller game studios in the midst of the AAA collapse). I don't want to see these studios be yanked and bullied like this.
But, if Godot won't do anything to resolve this, then I imagine the donators are going to start disappearing. The money will dry up.
Imagine calling gamers toxic, but keeps a manager who said a racial slur (multiple times)
This is the woke mob who has the audacity to think they're the good guys
Im surprised this is the slur they used, wouldve expected something aimed at white ppl or straight cis men
@@seanplaysgames2551They did that, too, they called white people "snow [n word]".
it seems Godot is contaminated until their roots
There is already a fork called Redot, I am doing my part spent all day teaching new devs how to code. It has about 700 members I think and started today.
It's up to 1800 members now.
"Hell yeah baby"
- B-4 bomber
Cause the drama and then play the victim. Rinse and repeat. Every single time. They did this with Helldivers 2.
That seems to be the case with every online community now and days.
DARVO
Wokot saying their community discord is not a part of the company is a gaslight. They are completely tied together and the CM was not held accountable. Now they are conflating criticism with abuse. They can pound sand.
And don't forget that there is almost never proof for those alledged threats against any of those activists. They only feel threatened by criticism.
We need laws for using words like "abuse" and "harassment" just like the word "rape". If you claim to get harassed you better have been harassed or you should be open to civil litigation and criminal charges.
thanks for covering this. I've been using Godot for the past year, I never agreed to being part of a "woke" community, neither would I want my games to endorse this madness.
Oh right I forgot, its against the law to criticize someone/something, dang, guess we've committed several felonies then, oh well 🤷
It is in some European countries, give it a few more years, that will become a worldwide trend.
it will be but only for one perspective....what perspective is that? The one with all the money/power As above, so below
It's not even gamers. It's mostly developers this time. Gamers play games - they don't mess with open-source game engines.
Actually, most indie game devs are gamers in and of themselves. Many developers in AAA studios are also such, though their personal decisions are more or less overshadowed by their employers' interests.
I think the point is similar to being a professional musician means you don't merely refer to yourself as primarily a music listener anymore, but a creator.
@@invisiiso of course they are. But they're engaging with godot not as gamers but as developers.
@@Aisaaax Yep.
The Godot Foundation should hire a professional PR team instead of letting random JOKER manage the community. The leadership should stop treating Godot like a garage hobby project.
Like clockwork. Attack audience then play victim. Every single time with those woke activists.
What about the hate being spread by your own employees?
Impossible, they are the good humans!! 😂
"Always accuse your enemies of that which you are doing, to sow the most confusion."
That's a quote from the popular Leftist book, The Rules For Radicals. Seems very familiar, doesn't it?
Godot woke, Godot broke!
Godot = Get Out Discriminators Or Trolls
The donators need to take there money elsewhere .
Those who cry diversity without diversity.
Anyone else feel the fuse getting shorter on this powder keg we've been forced to call the entertainment industry?
yup and they lit it themsleves
@Revkor Want some popcorn and watch the s**tshow?
@@JtDrake372 oh yeah
Politics and culture wars should be the last thing on your mind when you go for a job. Which is why my mother cannot stand half the people she works with.
Their victimhood makes me regret to say "I'll keep using Godot". Maybe It's time to switch engine
This is unbelievable. Even game engines... It's time to stop this madness. It's time to understand these kind of people are destructive and harmful to others and themselves. These people need help, not jobs like moderators, directors, and presidents. It's time to stop.
They poked the bee hive, they don't get to complain that they got stung.
I’ve never heard of Godot before this. And now I don’t want to hear about it anymore. Will avoid anything that supports these weirdos
Guess devs are going to go back to unity lol
Devs looking at Unity now: Perhaps I treated you too harshly
Are these people allergic to money?
Yes, because they're socialists/communists.
You know these people, for them "the message" is more important than money.
Godot is about to find out that they wont have a company when these donors pull support. Its open source so Godot is super screwed.
Cant wait to try Redot, it launches Friday!
Godot has a history of being shady and cult-like. The fact that none of the youtubers or others won't dig deeper is amazing.
Damn, all new respect for Godot, bringing the internet back like the early 2k's. They need to move from discord to 4chan.
So they are expecting (wrongly blocked) people, to fill up form and prove themselves innocent. For something that the other they themselves (CM) wrongdoing ... ? Is this an Apology or an excuse
It's an invitation for you to grovel at their feet.
This is what happens to a community/fandom when you don't GATEKEEP!
Man, I actually miss the days when nerds like me were outcasts, keeping to ourselves, minding our business, doing our thing, before things went "mainstream."
The community moderator was a plant by Unity to restore their market position after the installation fee damage caused them to lose developer interest. If I was wearing a tinfoil hat. That's what I'd think.
There's a hole in the boat and it's taking on water quickly but instead of fixing the hole, they point at each other assigning blame. Good call!
its already been forked to REDOT engine -- so if you want to show support to the new devs
Its terrifying that this is actually hurting actual victims of harrassment and abuse
every time it is again.. community manager intoxicated with perception of power to abuse and self-insert and ruining the whole brand
imagine donating to the foundation who pays incompetent people and gaslight their target market
Community Managers are some ofnthe worst prople in the industry. An HOA for gamers, Unacceptable.
There behavior is just pushing people away
I'm boycotting all companies doing this kind of bs and going crazy woke.
6:34, Don't get fooled by the founder Juan, he 100% condones his CM and moderator behavior; he is just pretending to be surprised and "overwhelmed" by this situation. He also has gone into a blocking spree, and he's NOT going to do anything about the situation because this was a "cleansing" process that he supported front the get-go, but he will play the "hostage" role, that he's "powerless" to do anything because he "doesn't know" what's going (playing fool), and he will ride that as long as he can just to look good and sway a few fools to keep donating to him.
Also, you may hear something about Yuri that he was "unjustly" fired because he's Russian, but he was fired for being an uber activist and pos (like xanax), not even the other activist could stand him.
The whole Godot foundation is a rat nest that was somewhat hidden.
Just discovered you through Jeremy. Subbed.
Godot had success handed to them on a silver platter via Unity’s debacle & wisely did not get in the way of their enemy making a mistake & _then.._ *_then_* fumble while running in a game-winning touchdown.
Godot manager: Ban ban ban, hi ban.
What a bizzare event just for few people they blocked everyone even the donatur for company engine. What a joke clown Godot.
The Godot creator is such a coward. Really.
Man, this make the GDQuest lesson I just purchase as useless as a bag of air.
I understand Godot contributors being woke, I mean dude, you can be whatever you want, but please be professional and keep this out of your workplace. Not everyone shares your views and THAT'S OK!
No, they can't. It's their way or the highway. They're not interested in hearing other opinions you're either with them or you're the enemy.
That is amazingly disgusting behavior for a moderator! Good Lord. It’s amazing that these people will standby these maniacs just to protect what DEI?
The blame game doesn't work when it comes to gamers
Calling gamers toxic is not going to help sell your products 😂
Welp rip godot
As A Game Designer I saw this coming after a vidoeb was made on the creator over a year ago for blocking people, they made their money now let them go out in a Blaze Of Politics 😂
protect our comunity? you guys even Cut your donator hands too!!
Have they learned nothing from the gamer gate and all of the boycotts done to the companies that tried to force this garbage on users? I mean seriously, how tone deaf are these people? Their main users are people who hate stuff being forced on them, they ought to have known this will blow up in their faces.
I will continue using the engine since I really like it, I never even bothered looking into who made it. Its a nice tool to use and I do wish it will continue to grow, even without these lunatics in charge. I am pretty sure people are going to fork the source code and continue working on it, it sucks that we won't be getting quick updates, but what can you do. Lessons need to be taught and hopefully they will get better.
To little to late godot .
Maybe Godot can hire John Riccietello as a PR spokesman. Can't be worse than the "people" currently doing the job.
4:18 True, it was an "official" server but not created by Godot Foundation itself, few months ago Godot decide to create their own server
If you check the archive, June 17 it will be as official server but July 08 they changed the server
As i thought, the CM just tip of the iceberg
People gotta chill. Ignore the twitter haters who say game engine users are woke. Haters gotta hate
It's open source, Just fork it and create a new project that does not have the toxic baggage.
"it's not cancellation, it's criticism"
Did they have the N word pass tho?
No, you're not allowed to say n
ormal
@@a_lost_one I can't believe you tried to say the n word you freaking n-
evermind...my bad.
Everyone should join Redot. Hope they have sucess.
Well I hope this ends badly for them.
Whoever wrote that other statement, and I'm almost positive it was the community manager who started this mess, clearly didn't like how the owner said that Godot wanted to keep things apolitical.
So they made that other statement to inflame things among developers and consumers.
I already knew xananax was crazy, I have not joined the official gosot discord for 3 years
Godot Foundation RIP
An open source engine destroys itself? If the current people behind the engine mess up, others will come, that's exactly the advantage of an open source engine with a MIT license. It's like Linux. If someone screws up, Linux won't go under. And comparing Godot to unity is pretty limited. They are two completely different approaches. That's why I just say, drama drama drama.
Чуть больше года назад начинала изучать unity и БАЦ! Скандал с лицензионным соглашением и больше нет доверия...
Тогда выбор изменился на godot ивот снова скандал и снова прощай доверие😭
Это уже похоже на закономерность...
Ok I’m seeing stuff about the person saying stupid shit (which I don’t care about, it’s the internet) but I’m not actually seeing how the game engine is woke which is what I care more about. Sources? I can’t seem to find anything other than what the person said.
Couple months ago they announced some sort of lgbt or gay gamejam or some shit and i was like "why?" Well i cant remember exactly but knowing me it would have been like "why, this is stupid" but yeah, they banned me. Instantly uninstalled godot. Dont need it, i know how to code, i can use any game engine and if i really wanted to prove a damn point id make my own shit.
Point is - i dont need them, they need me.
Protected group of weirdos 😡
So many holes in that statement.
Do these companies check before they hire these psychos? But if they want to blame gamers, then they get comfy going out of business.
Hey Vara! Can you cover the recent news with Stellar Blade and how Shift Up is giving the fans what they want! Good to hear something positive every once in a while.
Well, they're done for.
watched an interesting video today with Ben Shapiro, he was saying that he thinks we have reached 'peak woke', meaning that its all downhill from here onward for people who do any DEI related work. We are very likely to see many of the DEI teams within companies being let go and workplaces returning to how things were before
now I'm just waiting for anti-woke game made in godot.
Redot engine Fork of g o d o t get it
Please, don't let the wokes destroy this project
They already have
Make me think of the moderators of the game 7DTD. Not that they're really banning, but let's say that the mods there will attack you if you ever "doubt" the lords and saviors that made the game and are slowly but surely destroying it RN.
I get it. “FOSSter”
How to lose all credibility and trust in few easy steps,hire activists and let then run things+full control of discord and x is good too.LMAO so hard.
Well I sold my ps5 today store credit got another ps3 and sooooooooo many games better than the ps5 im sorry I tried my best but I couldn’t keep something if im not able to enjoy it with all the censorship and politics that comes with the ps5
Well, when you say that you dont like a thing that someone made you hurt this someones feelings, so... they can make an argument. Pretty much any critique can have this effect since it depends on a person and not a fixed value. And since west for the last few decades promoted this "feelings stuff" you surprised that we have what we have? What is surprising that its not began much earlier and not much worse at this point, but dont worry, its going to be worse :)
Im changing to redot
Woke activists never contribute to anything apart from spreading negativity
Guess im gonna try out bevy : D
Gonedot!🤣
Cry-bully Godot.
Wtf, i just started using godot - shit
There's ReDot
@@CATAZTR0PHE imma serach it rite nao