Children of the Forest = mythical pre Celtic civilization of "Little People" First Men = Celts Andels = Saxons Aegon the Conqueror = William the Conqueror (the Field of Fire is the Battle of Hastings) Robert's Rebellion = War of the Roses Iron Born = Vikings Dothraki = Mongols Qarth = Istanbul/Constantinople Free Cities = Renaissance Italy (Braavos = Florence, Volantis = Rome, Quohor = Milan, that's all I can figure out there) Essos = Continental Europe That's all I've got.
You're probably right, my mistake. I thought that Robert's Rebellion fit more with the War of the Roses because of the transition between dynastic powers (the Targaryens are the Plantagenet dynasty and the Baratheons would have been the short lived Tudors) and the War of the Five Kings would have more in common with the English Revolution. Again, you're more than likely right.
I thought the Ghiscari were closer to the Hellenistic Greeks (Greek civilization after Alexander the Great) for three reasons. First, the Unsullied fighting style is closer to the phalanx than the legion. Second, the Greeks were much more adept at slavery and had a massive influence over the Romans similar to the sway the Ghiscari had over the Valyrians. And finally, the Ghiscari attempts at conquering the Valyrians are similar to Phyrrus attempting to curb Roman influence in Italy. Oh, and "Ghis" and "Greece" sound kind of similar. Just my opinion.
A fair point. Also the Valyrians lived in a peninsula like the romans did. The only thing I hate about the way George demonstrated these countries in a world with magic is how slow they advance in technology. Otherwise I see many different cultures he got inspiration from to make Westeros and Esos.
Tadas Urbonas Well, there's the Order of the Maesters which represent academic study and reason and I saw a vlog that claimed the dragons were representations of nuclear weapons. But it is worth noting that technological advancement was very slow for most of human history until the Industrial Revolution 170 years ago (not that long, even by human history standards) and it took the right combination of rapid population decline in the form of the Black Plague and abundance of cheap energy (the single most important reason the Industrial Revolution started in England? Cheap and abundant coal) to get the ball rolling. Besides, why use mills and machines when you have cheap peasant labor?
I think the Ironborn should worship the Baratheons as the ultimate example to what being Ironborn is. Robert Paid the Iron Price to take the throne. He took it through Sweat and Blood. The Ultimate position of Authority in Westeros. They should have been proud to have them as their rulers. Balon led them to defeat and humilitation and he soiled the Ironborn tradition of No Surrender when he bent the Knee.
But that's the thing about the Ironborn. They take pride in being cowardly, cutthroat raiders. They aren't a Proud Warrior Race like the Stars and North warriors. They're just like the Frey, preaching values they themselves don't follow. Also, Robert, Ned and the other houses at least built their own wealth and glory. The Ironborn only seek to steal from others and then boast about it. If I were Aegon or Robert, I would have burned the Iron Islands till it all was a replica of Valyria post-Doom.
Jack Murphy The only Ironborns I like are Asha/Yara, Rodrik Harlaw and Tristifer Botley. The rest can all go to hell. Euron is the only actual Badass, for burning the Lannister fleet and having some pretty badass quotes, and I still fucking hate him.
DeathMessenger1988 I'd say Theon and Asha but Theon has spent too much time with the Starks to be called Ironborn. He has never taken pleasure in what they do, unlike when he was with the Starks.
DeathMessenger1988 it would actually be better to put a puppet warden to rule the iron islands, but the puppet warden has to have grown up in the iron island so his rule wouldn't be viewed as alien also he has to have noble or royal blood so his nobles would accept him
Kraken! 🐙 mmmmm, STRONG! As long as they're in the Sea. When you take them out of the water, No bones! They collapse under their proud weight and slump into a heap of nothing. (You'd think they'd know that. Unfortunately they're not very bright.)
"the faith of the seven is a religion of weakness and defeat, pretty chains that the First men gladly put on once the andals crushed them." The North: Am I a joke to you?
They were powerful before dragons came to Westeros. The Drowned God was stronger than the Old Ones, as his people did not abandon his faith for the Seven. The Ironborn are not annoyances, they took the Riverland and they buit Harrenhal. Balon was an annoyance to the Iron Throne, Theon took Winterfell but could not hold it with 12 men. But (book) Euron will break the world, the Iron Islands is a real kingdom
@@warmleseptieme3053 the only reason the Ironborn EVER got a far as they did is because no one ever really considered them a threat. Just an annoyance. Robert could have ripped Pyke back into the waves had he felt it was worth it
@@vexjaeger4314 no, some Ironborn were a real threat to Westeros, Qhored the Cruel, Harwyn Hardhand... before dragons and before Westeros was united, Ironborn were powerful. But yeah, you are right, after Aegon, they could not do much alone, Robert could have end the Greyjoy line, but if he did he should also have killed all the Ironborns cause no godless man may sit one the Seastone chair. Let the Old way return
Exactly my thoughts. Nobody cares about them. Good thing they're on an island away from everyone. If they were in the mainland, other houses would have stomped them lol
@@theascendunt9960 Harren the Black was King of the Riverlands, and only dragons could stomped him. Even after Balerion, Harrenhal is still a strong castle
The ironborn did not oppose the prostelyzation of the seven under the targaryen rule howeve they used a leverage on king Aenys I who was known as weak. Aenys pleaded with Goren Greyjoy to crush the rebellion of the priest-king Lodos and when Aenys granted Goren Greyjoy as a show of gratitude, a decision Aenys would later regret as Goren required that he be allowed to expel the Faith of the Seven from the Iron Islands, much to the Faith's fury
who have the ironborn been fighting and reaving since the greyjoy rebellion? did any of the kings of westeros let the ironborn run around pillaging where ever they wanted? i just cant imagine it.
kurumais after they did a kingsmoot and elected Balon as their leader the GJs went separate ways; while Victarion sails towards Essos looking for glory, Theon became a hostage in Stark's court and Asha was married off to a crippled old fart. During Robb's war they managed to take Moat Catlin, Deepwood Motte and Winterfell itself-they do not reave as often as before, but can still be dangerous on the coasts.
What?! Did you read about the Greyjoy on Wikipedia, and then remembered it all wrong? You've managed to mix everything up. Balon was not elected in a kingsmoot, there hadn't been a kingsmoot for ages. He rebelled about a decade before the events of AGOT, his rebellion was crushed, he lost his elder sons in that war, and Theon was taken as a hostage/ward by the Starks. Asha wasn't married to anyone, and she was raised by Balon as his heir and became a badass ironborn captain. Balon's brother Euron went east, and Aeron Damphair became a priest of the Drowned God. And then Balon pronounced himself king in book 2/season 2, and started a war again, and Theon wanted to prove himself and overtook Winterfell... and we know what happened next. It was only after that that SPOILERS for the Unsullied Balon died falling from a bridge (it's speculated that he was killed by a Faceless Man at Euron's behest), and his brothers and Asha came back to the Iron Islands to settle the matter of the succession. Since they thought (in the books at least) that Theon was dead, and Aeron didn't want a woman on the throne, but most of all, did not want "a godless man" (Euron) on the throne, he called the kingsmoot, for the first time in centuries. He wanted Victarion to win, but in the end Euron was elected when he promised the Ironborn the Iron Throne, with the help of Dany's dragons. Then he sent Victarion to Essos to court Dany for him, and Asha left the Islands and went to Deepwood Motte. Euron, in order to control her, married her to an old fat fart, with a seal as a proxy, since she wasn't even there. Which is why Asha is not keen on returning.
"The ironborn do not fear the bloodiest battles." Name one time the ironborn haven't run away when facing impossible odds. Not including situations where running away was impossible.
Calthrasful George R.R.Martin was, in fact, inspired by the Vikings when he created the Ironborn, and in the books (I think), they wore horned helmet, but the show changed their clothes and armors into a more "pirate style" kind of cloths. I saw some really good fanarts of Victarion Greyjoy in full armor, and I really hope that we see him that way in the next season.
They're clearlly better than wildlings, but with the dothrakis the situation is a bit harder. At sea the ironborn would beat the dothrakis, but at land the dothrakis had the advantage of being horseriders, but the ironborn are better equiped. The dothraki don't use armor.
Drowning is defined as respiratory impairment from being in or under a liquid. It is further classified as by outcome into: death, ongoing health problems and no ongoing health problems. Using the term near drowning to refer to those who survive is no longer recommended. It occurs more frequently in males and the young. Drowning itself is quick and silent, although it may be preceded by distress which is more visible. A person drowning is unable to shout or call for help, or seek attention, as they cannot obtain enough air. The instinctive drowning response is the final set of autonomic reactions in the 20 - 60 seconds before sinking underwater, and to the untrained eye can look similar to calm safe behavior. Lifeguards and other persons trained in rescue learn to recognize drowning people by watching for these instinctive movements. Drowning is the third leading cause of unintentional injury or death worldwide, accounting for 7% of all injury related deaths (est. 388,000 deaths by drowning in 2004, excluding those due to natural disasters), with 96% of these deaths occurring in low-income and middle-income countries. In many countries, drowning is one of the leading causes of death for children under 12 years old. For example, in the United States of America, it is the second leading cause of death (after motor vehicle crashes) in children 12 and younger. The rate of drowning in populations around the world varies widely according to their access to water, the climate and the national swimming culture. The following definition was accepted by the World Congress on Drowning in 2002 and subsequently by the World Health Organization in 2005: "Drowning is the process of experiencing respiratory impairment from submersion/immersion in liquid." This definition does not imply fatality, or even the necessity for medical treatment after removal of the cause, nor that any fluid necessarily enters the lungs. The WHO further recommended "Drowning outcomes should be classified as: death, morbidity, and no morbidity. There was also consensus that the terms wet, dry, active, passive, silent, and secondary drowning should no longer be used."
I am sorry Mathias the Vikings were Thieves and excellent sailors you need to check your history about Vikings. Think of the words of House of Greyjoy (We do not Sow) that what the Vikings did they raids other countries and towns, maybe you need watch the show the Vikings.
Sophia Wilson Thats too general. The norse had raiders but also had great success in trade. Pretty much everyone had raiders at that time the vikings are just more memorable for doing it better than most.
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You have to admire the imagination of George R.R Martin.
True
You forget the First Men in the North; they didn't submit to the Seven either...
What is dead, may never die, so it can be flayed forever.
Ironborns and Boltons deserve each other indeed
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Children of the Forest = mythical pre Celtic civilization of "Little People"
First Men = Celts
Andels = Saxons
Aegon the Conqueror = William the Conqueror (the Field of Fire is the Battle of Hastings)
Robert's Rebellion = War of the Roses
Iron Born = Vikings
Dothraki = Mongols
Qarth = Istanbul/Constantinople
Free Cities = Renaissance Italy (Braavos = Florence, Volantis = Rome, Quohor = Milan, that's all I can figure out there)
Essos = Continental Europe
That's all I've got.
war of the five kings is based on war of the roses
You're probably right, my mistake. I thought that Robert's Rebellion fit more with the War of the Roses because of the transition between dynastic powers (the Targaryens are the Plantagenet dynasty and the Baratheons would have been the short lived Tudors) and the War of the Five Kings would have more in common with the English Revolution. Again, you're more than likely right.
I thought the Ghiscari were closer to the Hellenistic Greeks (Greek civilization after Alexander the Great) for three reasons. First, the Unsullied fighting style is closer to the phalanx than the legion. Second, the Greeks were much more adept at slavery and had a massive influence over the Romans similar to the sway the Ghiscari had over the Valyrians. And finally, the Ghiscari attempts at conquering the Valyrians are similar to Phyrrus attempting to curb Roman influence in Italy. Oh, and "Ghis" and "Greece" sound kind of similar. Just my opinion.
A fair point. Also the Valyrians lived in a peninsula like the romans did. The only thing I hate about the way George demonstrated these countries in a world with magic is how slow they advance in technology. Otherwise I see many different cultures he got inspiration from to make Westeros and Esos.
Tadas Urbonas Well, there's the Order of the Maesters which represent academic study and reason and I saw a vlog that claimed the dragons were representations of nuclear weapons. But it is worth noting that technological advancement was very slow for most of human history until the Industrial Revolution 170 years ago (not that long, even by human history standards) and it took the right combination of rapid population decline in the form of the Black Plague and abundance of cheap energy (the single most important reason the Industrial Revolution started in England? Cheap and abundant coal) to get the ball rolling. Besides, why use mills and machines when you have cheap peasant labor?
I think the Ironborn should worship the Baratheons as the ultimate example to what being Ironborn is. Robert Paid the Iron Price to take the throne. He took it through Sweat and Blood. The Ultimate position of Authority in Westeros. They should have been proud to have them as their rulers. Balon led them to defeat and humilitation and he soiled the Ironborn tradition of No Surrender when he bent the Knee.
But that's the thing about the Ironborn. They take pride in being cowardly, cutthroat raiders. They aren't a Proud Warrior Race like the Stars and North warriors. They're just like the Frey, preaching values they themselves don't follow. Also, Robert, Ned and the other houses at least built their own wealth and glory. The Ironborn only seek to steal from others and then boast about it. If I were Aegon or Robert, I would have burned the Iron Islands till it all was a replica of Valyria post-Doom.
DeathMessenger1988 Yeah, i don't know why anybody even tolerates their very existence.
Jack Murphy
The only Ironborns I like are Asha/Yara, Rodrik Harlaw and Tristifer Botley. The rest can all go to hell. Euron is the only actual Badass, for burning the Lannister fleet and having some pretty badass quotes, and I still fucking hate him.
DeathMessenger1988 I'd say Theon and Asha but Theon has spent too much time with the Starks to be called Ironborn. He has never taken pleasure in what they do, unlike when he was with the Starks.
DeathMessenger1988 it would actually be better to put a puppet warden to rule the iron islands, but the puppet warden has to have grown up in the iron island so his rule wouldn't be viewed as alien also he has to have noble or royal blood so his nobles would accept him
"Except in the Iron Islands" North: "Am i a joke to you?"
Am I the only one who imagins the Drowned God looks like Cthullhu?
akrybion 0:32 Bottom left corner.
+akrybion Its a kraken
0:58 compare Lovecraft "That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die."
Half Cthulhu, half Odin. Probably looks like Davy Jones in Pirates of the Caribbean.
Think it's more akin to Dagon but yea. Deep ones do exist in GoT lore.
Not just the Iron Isles, the North also fought off the fanatics of the Seven
It's interesting to get an insight of how even glorified pirates think they're on the right side of history and rationalize their horrible actions.
Because there are no such as thing as "right side of history".
and there isnt a rigth side now?
and never was
The iron born keep forgetting that the north don't believe in the seven I want a video about the old gods
+zachary sain The old gods are nameless spirits of nature, don't know how a video about them would turn out.
Kraken! 🐙
mmmmm, STRONG!
As long as they're in the Sea.
When you take them out of the water,
No bones!
They collapse under their proud weight and slump into a heap of nothing.
(You'd think they'd know that. Unfortunately they're not very bright.)
Underrated video
"the faith of the seven is a religion of weakness and defeat, pretty chains that the First men gladly put on once the andals crushed them."
The North: Am I a joke to you?
Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!
At least the Drowned God mythology sounds at least a little interesting.
That moment when the Drowned God are deep ones.
I love how cocky the iron born are. They think they are so bad ass and powerful. Yet were only ever annoyances
They were powerful before dragons came to Westeros. The Drowned God was stronger than the Old Ones, as his people did not abandon his faith for the Seven. The Ironborn are not annoyances, they took the Riverland and they buit Harrenhal. Balon was an annoyance to the Iron Throne, Theon took Winterfell but could not hold it with 12 men. But (book) Euron will break the world, the Iron Islands is a real kingdom
@@warmleseptieme3053 the only reason the Ironborn EVER got a far as they did is because no one ever really considered them a threat. Just an annoyance. Robert could have ripped Pyke back into the waves had he felt it was worth it
@@vexjaeger4314 no, some Ironborn were a real threat to Westeros, Qhored the Cruel, Harwyn Hardhand... before dragons and before Westeros was united, Ironborn were powerful. But yeah, you are right, after Aegon, they could not do much alone, Robert could have end the Greyjoy line, but if he did he should also have killed all the Ironborns cause no godless man may sit one the Seastone chair. Let the Old way return
Exactly my thoughts. Nobody cares about them. Good thing they're on an island away from everyone. If they were in the mainland, other houses would have stomped them lol
@@theascendunt9960 Harren the Black was King of the Riverlands, and only dragons could stomped him. Even after Balerion, Harrenhal is still a strong castle
You gotta give to them that their lore is pretty lit.
Because my internet is slow and for example for this video it take abouth one hour to upload,but dont worry i will upload them soon :)
Dagon for sure.
The ironborn did not oppose the prostelyzation of the seven under the targaryen rule howeve they used a leverage on king Aenys I who was known as weak. Aenys pleaded with Goren Greyjoy to crush the rebellion of the priest-king Lodos and when Aenys granted Goren Greyjoy as a show of gratitude, a decision Aenys would later regret as Goren required that he be allowed to expel the Faith of the Seven from the Iron Islands, much to the Faith's fury
who have the ironborn been fighting and reaving since the greyjoy rebellion? did any of the kings of westeros let the ironborn run around pillaging where ever they wanted? i just cant imagine it.
They targetted the free cities
kurumais after they did a kingsmoot and elected Balon as their leader the GJs went separate ways; while Victarion sails towards Essos looking for glory, Theon became a hostage in Stark's court and Asha was married off to a crippled old fart. During Robb's war they managed to take Moat Catlin, Deepwood Motte and Winterfell itself-they do not reave as often as before, but can still be dangerous on the coasts.
What?! Did you read about the Greyjoy on Wikipedia, and then remembered it all wrong? You've managed to mix everything up. Balon was not elected in a kingsmoot, there hadn't been a kingsmoot for ages. He rebelled about a decade before the events of AGOT, his rebellion was crushed, he lost his elder sons in that war, and Theon was taken as a hostage/ward by the Starks. Asha wasn't married to anyone, and she was raised by Balon as his heir and became a badass ironborn captain. Balon's brother Euron went east, and Aeron Damphair became a priest of the Drowned God. And then Balon pronounced himself king in book 2/season 2, and started a war again, and Theon wanted to prove himself and overtook Winterfell... and we know what happened next.
It was only after that that
SPOILERS for the Unsullied
Balon died falling from a bridge (it's speculated that he was killed by a Faceless Man at Euron's behest), and his brothers and Asha came back to the Iron Islands to settle the matter of the succession. Since they thought (in the books at least) that Theon was dead, and Aeron didn't want a woman on the throne, but most of all, did not want "a godless man" (Euron) on the throne, he called the kingsmoot, for the first time in centuries. He wanted Victarion to win, but in the end Euron was elected when he promised the Ironborn the Iron Throne, with the help of Dany's dragons. Then he sent Victarion to Essos to court Dany for him, and Asha left the Islands and went to Deepwood Motte. Euron, in order to control her, married her to an old fat fart, with a seal as a proxy, since she wasn't even there. Which is why Asha is not keen on returning.
why don't you upload all the videos ?
Rapture vs Columbia.
0:30 Cthulu
Dagon
There's a storm in the North. They already defeated the Ironborn.
The 7 may be gods of weakness, but your past record shows your drowned god is weaker.
"The ironborn do not fear the bloodiest battles."
Name one time the ironborn haven't run away when facing impossible odds. Not including situations where running away was impossible.
Winterfell? Deep Wood Moat?
1:05 The pendant to Valhalla
Water Halls - Valaskjalf, House of Odin
Mermaids - Valkyrie
Greyjoys are fucking vikings man! It's official
Calthrasful George R.R.Martin was, in fact, inspired by the Vikings when he created the Ironborn, and in the books (I think), they wore horned helmet, but the show changed their clothes and armors into a more "pirate style" kind of cloths.
I saw some really good fanarts of Victarion Greyjoy in full armor, and I really hope that we see him that way in the next season.
So…the drowned god drowned? What’s the story behind why he did that?
poseidon vs zeus
Is it Asha/Iara Greyjoy?
Is that Asha speaking?
How do Ironborn rate as fighters compared to wildlings and dothraki?
Slightly better than wildlings, worse than Dothraki. However they are unparalleled in seamanship and sailing.
Great warriors, terrible campaigners, so essentially better quality Wildlings.
They can be beaten in sea. Stannis Baratheon proved that.
They're clearlly better than wildlings, but with the dothrakis the situation is a bit harder.
At sea the ironborn would beat the dothrakis, but at land the dothrakis had the advantage of being horseriders, but the ironborn are better equiped. The dothraki don't use armor.
Cthulu, lol
Drowning is defined as respiratory impairment from being in or under a liquid. It is further classified as by outcome into: death, ongoing health problems and no ongoing health problems. Using the term near drowning to refer to those who survive is no longer recommended. It occurs more frequently in males and the young.
Drowning itself is quick and silent, although it may be preceded by distress which is more visible. A person drowning is unable to shout or call for help, or seek attention, as they cannot obtain enough air. The instinctive drowning response is the final set of autonomic reactions in the 20 - 60 seconds before sinking underwater, and to the untrained eye can look similar to calm safe behavior. Lifeguards and other persons trained in rescue learn to recognize drowning people by watching for these instinctive movements.
Drowning is the third leading cause of unintentional injury or death worldwide, accounting for 7% of all injury related deaths (est. 388,000 deaths by drowning in 2004, excluding those due to natural disasters), with 96% of these deaths occurring in low-income and middle-income countries. In many countries, drowning is one of the leading causes of death for children under 12 years old. For example, in the United States of America, it is the second leading cause of death (after motor vehicle crashes) in children 12 and younger. The rate of drowning in populations around the world varies widely according to their access to water, the climate and the national swimming culture.
The following definition was accepted by the World Congress on Drowning in 2002 and subsequently by the World Health Organization in 2005: "Drowning is the process of experiencing respiratory impairment from submersion/immersion in liquid." This definition does not imply fatality, or even the necessity for medical treatment after removal of the cause, nor that any fluid necessarily enters the lungs. The WHO further recommended "Drowning outcomes should be classified as: death, morbidity, and no morbidity. There was also consensus that the terms wet, dry, active, passive, silent, and secondary drowning should no longer be used."
***** The Drowned Men perform CPR on everyone they "drown".
Anyone here for Deepwoken?
This based on Vikings culture
more like pirate, the vikings were traders
I am sorry Mathias the Vikings were Thieves and excellent sailors you need to check your history about Vikings. Think of the words of House of Greyjoy (We do not Sow) that what the Vikings did they raids other countries and towns, maybe you need watch the show the Vikings.
Sophia Wilson Thats too general. The norse had raiders but also had great success in trade. Pretty much everyone had raiders at that time the vikings are just more memorable for doing it better than most.
Kieran Wright ok I agree that! but they did raid other country for gold and slaves
Oh yeah without a doubt.
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