S: Priest, Warlock (Fearing the pet makes both classes easy pvp vs Hunter) A: Hunter, Druid, Retribution Paladin (Only if Shield Rune on swap, otherwise F rank) B: Rouge, Shaman, Mage C: Warrior As a Warlock main can confirm that Metamorphosis rune is really bad in all pvp scenarios compared to Haunt.
Wind serpent will get off 2 lightning breathe before you cast your (short range) fear, seeing as the first one and an arrow from the hunter will cause pushback.
Fair list, was running Warr with 3 priests in warsong and was just walking over people, even with 1 healer it’s still very good with Warbringer and good gear.
I have leveled every class to 25 now, and got most runes. I even made an extra account to make a shaman. Now, this is full dungeon gear -NO RAID- in order to make it a fair assessment. Your list seems fairly accurate for the most part. Warlock is A teir at the moment unless you are a really, really good pvp player. #1 hunter #2 Priest #3 Druid for top 3 assuming they are BIS players.
Meta isn't good but a true Affl Drain life lock is definitely S tier. Once they get over 110+ Spell power and get that Stam up there it's over. People saying Lock isn't S tier haven't fought any fully geared with over 1700 HP. You aren't bursting them down and their dots and sustain is enough. Then they have Sac. Next phase with 2 more ranks of Drain life it's going to be impossible to kill them. Aff dots really start to crank and then nightfall proc and instant Sbolt/Haunt it's GG.
warlock is S if you consider they can gear/rune swap prior to duel. Talents can be set up in a way to be solid for both Haunt and Meta. Meta with Aftermath and void sac can beat hunter, crushes rogue and pally as well. Haunt beats priests if you fear before draining but Meta loses hard to priest. Haunt lock beats pretty much everything else relatively easily. I'd say the only thing that beats a Haunt lock more than 50% would be a good boomkin who uses max range. Meta can beat Boomkins if they get good aftermath proc rng.
as a meta warlock with destro talents , with phase 2 bis I kept losing to a rogue because he just stealths before the fight and then I dont even do damage, just keeps stunning me over and over, any of you warlock chads got any tips for me ? (Also new at the game, started playing wow in SOD)
You really need a tier list from each classes perspective. From a paladin's perspective, Warlocks are pretty easy, but for druids, they're probably the hardest class to beat.
Congratz to Blizzard, they actually did it. Most of the classes in SOD are A or S, that's pretty good if you ask me. Everyone has something they can lean on.
I’ve barely touched my ret paladin since I hit level 20 in my Druid and got cat form, Druid is so much more fun and it’ll be an even larger gap in fun next phase.
I think next phase will be boomie. Feral is fun but when we move to 40 than feral wont be able to have their end talents and omen. Where boomie will get their end talent and we'll see moonkin all over the place. All this assuming blizz doesnt give some insane rune to feral.
I actually agree that all should be near the top with the changes allowed with runes. Overall PVP has felt more skill based than class based than previous classic iterations. Also might be because I play Rogue/Warrior but I kill tf out of druids. I wouldn't rank them S tbh.
Yeah Hunter is funny. I was playing on my level 22 Hunter with my wind serpent, a level 25 rogue opened up on me and got me to like 1/2 health instantly but my pet basically beat him in 4 attacks 😂
Hahha i playing broken class haha look at me i am stronk haha, look how my pet soloing every class in the game haha after nerf still erases every1 hahaha look at me LOOK AT MEEEEEE!!!
S tier = Priest is the best then warlock and then hunter in a duell scenario. A tier = druid then paladin B tier = rogue C tier = mage shaman D tier = warrior
A random night elf beckoned my priest over to practice his dueling the other day. My mans was out there coaching me. Priest is the only class I've been playing since 2019 for classic and good fucking lord it feels so strange to actually hold my own in a duel with my strange daggar/spirit stacking/discipline spec that plays like a melee character. For HC it was actually the best I ever made. Then SoD came out... the Monk/Cleric melee priest is VERY possible. And I beat that hunter with it.. well eventually hahaha. Priests aren't going to be this powerful in 1v1s again until Mists of Pandaria comes back out.
Sorry for the question guys.. but the server is temporanlly? Next 2 years go to closed?.. i wanted start this nice avventure but my question is same before.. "this server is only temporanlly? Or do for ever?
Thoughts about the Tierlist as a rogue main: I am a geared rogue and (i am repeating myself here) i hate fighting locks and priests. If i and the other player have similar gear i have NEVER managed to kill a metamorphed lock and only rarely managed to kill a priest. I can kill non-meta locks here and there but i still avoid them. Hunters and mages are (with cds up) usually a free kill in 1v1s. Rets i dont really have practice against since i play ally so i only duelled some and i went 50/50 pretty much. Rogue vs Rogue is pretty much a coin flip with equal gear. Warriors usually are free but i have been 3 shot by a warrior ... so that happened ... (unbuffed 1.2k+ hp atm) Idk what yall were doing but druids usually are free too, in most cases i think rogue clowns on druids BUT with the star surge buffs i did have some close calls. Tank shamans are a pain in the ass, i dont know what to make of them. Sometime they keel over and sometimes they dont take any dmg. Coin flip My Tierlist would be with CDs: S = Hunters, Priests, Locks A = Druid, Rogue, Paladin, Shaman B = Mage C = Warrior
@@Huckle777 what spec are you using? Is it the backstab one or something else? I recently had more succes with saber slash if i had trinket up but the constant fear is a pain in the butt if i have homunculi on me And with pennance it feels like they just dont die
as resto shaman/tank hybrid with 1700 hp, 1900 mana, pushback resist on healing, water shield mana regen, i can easily beat everything except I don't have the dps to get through warlock drain life. i can probably kill like 3 warriors at a time tho kekw
As a resto shaman/tank hybrid you are literally never killing anything ever lol. Also, the likelihood you have 1.7k hp and nearly 2k mana is a lie, u kess you are dueling with full consumes and raid buffs lol.
@@JohnSmith-rr3jt lol. shaman gets to 3k hp while being in resto spec and with the ancestral health pot nuke you can kill anyone. you people lack critical information PepeLaugh
Warlocks don't do that much damage, these people claiming this are low lvl players that are just nasty. Just to clear it up I am a mage main and I also play rogue but i do not struggle with locks on either. Putting mages on same bracket as druids is an actual joke. Paladins are ridiculous, they need a nerf. I switched from horde to alliance and its disgusting how op alliance is, 100% playing on easy mode. Raids and just dungeons with a pally on mage is insane i rarely run out of mana unlike horde where I have to non stop keep an eye on it. Groupd pvp which is basically all pvp in sod pals are 100% op for that reason and do need a nerf. Alliance run around with perception and the spy addon and can pull anyone out of stealth whenever they want which is just broken. Just the basic leveling process for alliance is easy af compared to horde. My biggest regret since playing SOD was playing horde
This has to be bait. You dont realize how good horde has it. sham is way better than pally rn and next phase they will be ridiculous. I regret being ally lmao. Im a rogue main and fighting shamans is actually bullshit sometimes. Rets are easy if you know the matchup. They have a decent burst and bubble but that is it.
@@icebox1954 Meta lock in PvP is just not good, of course aggainst melee it is great because of the armour, but you loose your most important ability fear and in any 2v2 3v3 or more scenario meta lock is very bad.
@@icebox1954My bad, thougt this was more of a general tier list, speaking about duels you are right of course. Warlock is S tier in my opinion too. Meta aggainst melees only of course.
You can not Tierlist these classes off of some of the best PVP players in the world. To get an honest tier list you have to go off the average pvp player.
Wrong!! Utterly wrong!! When deciding if a class is good or not you factor in it's capabilities, not the average player capabilities. I gave beat every class in my warrior I haven't taken much credit for it since I realised these people were so completely dogshit at the game. For them to then complain about their class and get a buff since the average player cant perform with their class is WILD.
Affliction Lock I would deff say is A/S tier , maybe it's just cause I have always played Lock and my Lock is also pretty much bis but in a 1v1 I feel like I can beat 98% peeps , if you are running thru locks then that lock sucks. A gd priest though is tough
aff lock is definitely at least A tier. I find it crazy all the locks complaining about lock and they are dueling casters in meta form which is giving them all no benefit against casters. They should just be running haunt and not losing out on fear due to being in meta. The only advantage meta gives against a caster is instant cast searing pain. Meta is obviously very good against melee but the build has to change depending on what you are dueling.
Priest cleanses both haunt, corruption and drain life. Making warlock countered by one of the most common classes. Also in any multi person encounter there will br a priedt dispelling drain life, haunt and eve fear probably @@kylesmith987
@@kylesmith987 Bingo. Meta is trash. Well it's more a meme since it's damage is lackluster and loses CC. A true Aff lock kills melee and has 100% HP so why even bother with Meta and you are better vs All. I also run demonic grace for the 30% dodge/crit. Rogues missing their gouge is great. I have 118 SP too so my dots kinda melt and drain life really cranks. It's somewhat oppressive then if i get out 1 immolate or a nightfall proc for insta Sbolt into Haunt. It's just gg.
So I’m wasting time running fire lock? I’m new to Wow and obviously warlocks and get rolled most of the time, especially by rogues. I got a little better after not applying Dots off the rip and going for incinerate + chaos bolt then dots + immolate bc before I’d just die before getting to do any other spell besides my dots. Tips plz I’m bad
@@MrFuzziiWuzzii Fire lock is BiS PvE spec for lock but in the current level 25 meta its hard to utilize in PvP. This is mostly due to spell push back and not having enough tools to enable you to hard cast long spells like incinerate and chaos bolt. We are lacking tools like Succubus charm and death coil to setup burst windows where we can cast. Voidwalker sac and fear are the only tools we have currently to enable locks to hard cast long spells. For PvP Aff with haunt and master channeler is BiS and the leg slot is a bit variable depending on the match up and content you are doing.
@@bradleybarker4833 Druid is the only class aside from hunters who are able to reach 42 yards with an attack. Also, instant heals to sustain on the move while suffering no pushback, auto root for melee and pet, cure poison, more mobility to reach the hunter. It's not as one-sided for either if both players are bis. But, assuming you can just pick off a druid, and they would never get in range is the most absurd claim I've heard so far.
Imo , as warlock tank player at SOD,hunter,boomy,and warrior dps , probably gonna put warlock at S tier (tank)(undead) not caster one , since u really cannot kite warlock tank with sacrifice pet especialy, i literally beat every single job at Horde side (never do 1 v 1 pvp with paladin before since no friend at ally side ) , i have geared tank lock pvp gear ( not all bis , like missing 2-3 gear Bis ) hunter / mages cant even kite me ( probably not yet meet hunter/mages good player ), but agains rogue,priest,druid , its all easy , since the class literally had aton of HP,armor,mana+lifetap+sac pet+undead speciality (cannot stun,fear)
Hunters and priests are the most wanted classes for premades so there's your answer. Also what's the point of creating a tierlist when you put every class in S and A tier.
Warlock and druid is A, hunter and priest S, and tbh priest should have a category ontop of everyone at least right now. They are hands down the best class at 25. Rogues can surprise them if they play backstab and crit a bunch, but everything else is a lopsided fight for a good priest, hunter will be tough if the pet resists fear, other than that, priest owns everyone.
Warlock is the only class I sometimes cant kill as a rogue, I say they are S lmao. Its funny I havent met a single hunter that even came close to killing me 1v1
Your chat knows more about the game then you do. they are right about that list you can't just pan it ouit to suit yourself or make the table look good doesn't look like that Warlocks are not S you just need to learn how to fight them
A good Druid will beat a hunter every time 1v1. If they are boomy if they hibernate your pet. Into surge and entangling root and dead zone then the hunter gets smoked. Ferals don’t stand as much of a chance but boomys will beat hunters 9/10 times. As soon as you hibernate the pet and sit in the dead zone you’re screwed as a hunter
If hunter opens on boomy, its over. im not bis geared boomy but i when i get hibernate through (after million pushbacks and if it dont get resisted) im so low its over
LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO shaman fucking ö tier, oh yeah on wednesday at 9 o clock when i crit all my elemental spells on right order i might do 60% of 20 level warriorrs max hp with full bis
ive beat a good non meta warlock using meta before. and that warlock dueling sucks. he didnt even sacrifice his pet for the bubble. he couldve won tha duel against the priest.
meta lock pvp is overrated. not being able to fear is huge. no nightfall procs is huge. as a non meta lock there is nothing i find more satisfying than killing a meta lock. sure you are tanky, but a normal lock is tanky too with the right gear. i just dont see any reason to go meta in open world pvp.
I knew this was total BS as soon as I saw druids at A instead of S tier. You don't know what your talking about, warlocks are only op against trash players. I smoke them on my mage all day. Warriors D tier? The only thing you have right is hunter being OP. How can you say that druids are not A tier? 4 mana for a insta 400 dam spell? you can't make these if you don't even know
Shaman is c-tier at best. Tank shaman does no damage, and on its own is less tanky in pvp than every other tank (bar warrior if you just run and heal). As to ele, lavs burst crit does the same damage as starsurge non-crit. But you have to get into 20-yard range to flame shock, then hard cast with to pushback reduction and hope that flame shock isn't dispelled by the time you hit. Also, it has a longer CD and costs more mana. All of that, just to do the same as a starsurge non-crit... ele is trash lol Enhance shaman dps is the lowest damage melee dps in pvp by a lot. Also, it has no cc except slows and no mobility bar ghostwolf which still has a cast time even if you talent it. Resto shaman is the weakest healer by a mile. I don't even think that needs to be explained when you look at priest, hpal and resto druid toolkit by comparison lol. Also, you have to run sham range in pvp for all shaman specs or you will go oom in under 1 minute guaranteed (except tank fc where you need the extra hp from way of earth, and just have to suffer going oom more often). PVE wise, shaman tanks are tied at 2nd, and the more gear other tanks get the less relevant shaman tank becomes as threat generation is no longer as issue (literally their main reason to be in a raid). Ele is the weakest caster dps in the game. Enhance is the weakest melee dps in the game. Resto is the weakest healer in the game. PVE those specs sucks compared to everything else on offer right now. Shamans are sort of ok at a few niche things, but crap at everything else. C-tier at best.
Even Ziqo said mage is c-d tier. Mages are only good if their opponent has lower elo there for i dont even see them in A tier, they are B tier at best. I think people seeing full bfd geared high elo mages wipe low elo players without bfd gear gave them the false impression of them beeing A tier
Warrior is only hard in the sense that the hunter has to fight the involuntary reflex to pee his pants out of uncontrollable laughter. Warrior can't even beat the pet. Warrior is garbage in SoD PvP so far.
You know it's the best tierlist video when it's 13:37 min long
came to say this. good to know there are still h4x0r 1337s out there.
Only would be a good tier list if he specified it was only PvP.
Plus, he didn't go on and on about buying his gold farm guide or subscribing or any of that crap.
S: Priest, Warlock (Fearing the pet makes both classes easy pvp vs Hunter)
A: Hunter, Druid, Retribution Paladin (Only if Shield Rune on swap, otherwise F rank)
B: Rouge, Shaman, Mage
C: Warrior
As a Warlock main can confirm that Metamorphosis rune is really bad in all pvp scenarios compared to Haunt.
yeah but pet has million shadow res
@@foxyl0l fear is not a shadow spell and can only be resisted by higher level, so pretty much guaranteed.
@@CPyJIb what are talking about it absolutely resisting all the time
@@foxyl0l haven't had once any level 25 pet resisted my fear from Warlock, Hunter or Priest.
Wind serpent will get off 2 lightning breathe before you cast your (short range) fear, seeing as the first one and an arrow from the hunter will cause pushback.
my favorite tier list by savix is his pronunciation of NPC names
Fair list, was running Warr with 3 priests in warsong and was just walking over people, even with 1 healer it’s still very good with Warbringer and good gear.
If savix doesn’t know much of shamans, he should do hardcore as a shaman
For what? As if its hard to max lvl on hardcore with any class
As a Boomie/healer, I actively seek out hunters as they are one of the easiest classes for me to kill 1v1.
wait till they get bestial wrath.
Enjoying it whilst I can.
@@AndreyThePal
That's because most Hunters don't know how to beat a Druid.
(The secret is to not have your pet out at first.)
I have leveled every class to 25 now, and got most runes. I even made an extra account to make a shaman. Now, this is full dungeon gear -NO RAID- in order to make it a fair assessment. Your list seems fairly accurate for the most part. Warlock is A teir at the moment unless you are a really, really good pvp player. #1 hunter #2 Priest #3 Druid for top 3 assuming they are BIS players.
Meta isn't good but a true Affl Drain life lock is definitely S tier. Once they get over 110+ Spell power and get that Stam up there it's over. People saying Lock isn't S tier haven't fought any fully geared with over 1700 HP. You aren't bursting them down and their dots and sustain is enough. Then they have Sac. Next phase with 2 more ranks of Drain life it's going to be impossible to kill them. Aff dots really start to crank and then nightfall proc and instant Sbolt/Haunt it's GG.
If everything is A Tier then that just means everything is good.
who do you guys think will be still in S rank phase 2?
warlock is S if you consider they can gear/rune swap prior to duel. Talents can be set up in a way to be solid for both Haunt and Meta. Meta with Aftermath and void sac can beat hunter, crushes rogue and pally as well. Haunt beats priests if you fear before draining but Meta loses hard to priest. Haunt lock beats pretty much everything else relatively easily. I'd say the only thing that beats a Haunt lock more than 50% would be a good boomkin who uses max range. Meta can beat Boomkins if they get good aftermath proc rng.
as a meta warlock with destro talents , with phase 2 bis I kept losing to a rogue because he just stealths before the fight and then I dont even do damage, just keeps stunning me over and over, any of you warlock chads got any tips for me ? (Also new at the game, started playing wow in SOD)
You really need a tier list from each classes perspective. From a paladin's perspective, Warlocks are pretty easy, but for druids, they're probably the hardest class to beat.
Congratz to Blizzard, they actually did it. Most of the classes in SOD are A or S, that's pretty good if you ask me. Everyone has something they can lean on.
I’ve barely touched my ret paladin since I hit level 20 in my Druid and got cat form, Druid is so much more fun and it’ll be an even larger gap in fun next phase.
I actually Rolled from feral to Balance in pvp and its nuts. So much fun on boomie. I dont even play talents, still feral pve talents
I think next phase will be boomie. Feral is fun but when we move to 40 than feral wont be able to have their end talents and omen. Where boomie will get their end talent and we'll see moonkin all over the place.
All this assuming blizz doesnt give some insane rune to feral.
Just beware of warriors in 2nd phase with warbringer with 15 charge cd)
@@АлександрКузнецов-о5е2иwhat’s the current cooldown for charge
I actually agree that all should be near the top with the changes allowed with runes. Overall PVP has felt more skill based than class based than previous classic iterations. Also might be because I play Rogue/Warrior but I kill tf out of druids. I wouldn't rank them S tbh.
Wait till next phase with 10% more crit chance, 80% more crit dmg and more exponential scaling. They are kinda set up to be very cringe
Yeah Hunter is funny. I was playing on my level 22 Hunter with my wind serpent, a level 25 rogue opened up on me and got me to like 1/2 health instantly but my pet basically beat him in 4 attacks 😂
Hahha i playing broken class haha look at me i am stronk haha, look how my pet soloing every class in the game haha after nerf still erases every1 hahaha look at me LOOK AT MEEEEEE!!!
Come to ratchet, with all cds ill smash u dow till ur pet erases me
Git gut boy
@@weavershelter4700 guess you’re the rogue who got soloed by my pet 😂
Mald@@weavershelter4700
Hunter is a solid B. Hunter pet??? Its S +
I was just about to write this
S tier = Priest is the best then warlock and then hunter in a duell scenario.
A tier = druid then paladin
B tier = rogue
C tier = mage shaman
D tier = warrior
Priest beats everything
They cant beat hunters pet(without hunter) like every other class
A random night elf beckoned my priest over to practice his dueling the other day.
My mans was out there coaching me. Priest is the only class I've been playing since 2019 for classic and good fucking lord it feels so strange to actually hold my own in a duel with my strange daggar/spirit stacking/discipline spec that plays like a melee character. For HC it was actually the best I ever made. Then SoD came out... the Monk/Cleric melee priest is VERY possible. And I beat that hunter with it.. well eventually hahaha.
Priests aren't going to be this powerful in 1v1s again until Mists of Pandaria comes back out.
As a hunter player priest can be dealt with if I use engineering bombs to kill homunculs
Not in PVE dps it doesn't lol.
Any tips on how to beat a Hunter as a priest? In world PVP they seem to blow me up before I can get near them.
Sorry for the question guys.. but the server is temporanlly? Next 2 years go to closed?.. i wanted start this nice avventure but my question is same before.. "this server is only temporanlly? Or do for ever?
It’s temporary. After a year or so all characters will be moved to regular classic era servers.
Thoughts about the Tierlist as a rogue main:
I am a geared rogue and (i am repeating myself here) i hate fighting locks and priests.
If i and the other player have similar gear i have NEVER managed to kill a metamorphed lock and only rarely managed to kill a priest.
I can kill non-meta locks here and there but i still avoid them.
Hunters and mages are (with cds up) usually a free kill in 1v1s.
Rets i dont really have practice against since i play ally so i only duelled some and i went 50/50 pretty much.
Rogue vs Rogue is pretty much a coin flip with equal gear.
Warriors usually are free but i have been 3 shot by a warrior ... so that happened ... (unbuffed 1.2k+ hp atm)
Idk what yall were doing but druids usually are free too, in most cases i think rogue clowns on druids BUT with the star surge buffs i did have some close calls.
Tank shamans are a pain in the ass, i dont know what to make of them. Sometime they keel over and sometimes they dont take any dmg. Coin flip
My Tierlist would be with CDs:
S = Hunters, Priests, Locks
A = Druid, Rogue, Paladin, Shaman
B = Mage
C = Warrior
I am a sweaty rogue main with bis, I pretty much hard agree with everything except priest, idk why ive never struggled to kill a priest.
Totally agree as rogue main also full bfd bis pvp spec
@@Huckle777homunculi priest is impossible
@@Huckle777 what spec are you using? Is it the backstab one or something else?
I recently had more succes with saber slash if i had trinket up but the constant fear is a pain in the butt if i have homunculi on me
And with pennance it feels like they just dont die
If hunters are free kills how are they S tier?
As a huntard, priest is impossible to kill for me
What is the priest play there? Fear pet, then just dot em up and penance them?
as resto shaman/tank hybrid with 1700 hp, 1900 mana, pushback resist on healing, water shield mana regen, i can easily beat everything except I don't have the dps to get through warlock drain life. i can probably kill like 3 warriors at a time tho kekw
As a resto shaman/tank hybrid you are literally never killing anything ever lol.
Also, the likelihood you have 1.7k hp and nearly 2k mana is a lie, u kess you are dueling with full consumes and raid buffs lol.
@@JohnSmith-rr3jt lol. shaman gets to 3k hp while being in resto spec and with the ancestral health pot nuke you can kill anyone.
you people lack critical information PepeLaugh
the damage is good actually. two seperate shock cooldowns with around 70 spelldamage i can kill a warrior in about 8 seconds usually@@JohnSmith-rr3jt
whats he mean by nature fist
what nerf?
Warlocks don't do that much damage, these people claiming this are low lvl players that are just nasty. Just to clear it up I am a mage main and I also play rogue but i do not struggle with locks on either. Putting mages on same bracket as druids is an actual joke. Paladins are ridiculous, they need a nerf. I switched from horde to alliance and its disgusting how op alliance is, 100% playing on easy mode. Raids and just dungeons with a pally on mage is insane i rarely run out of mana unlike horde where I have to non stop keep an eye on it. Groupd pvp which is basically all pvp in sod pals are 100% op for that reason and do need a nerf. Alliance run around with perception and the spy addon and can pull anyone out of stealth whenever they want which is just broken. Just the basic leveling process for alliance is easy af compared to horde. My biggest regret since playing SOD was playing horde
This has to be bait. You dont realize how good horde has it. sham is way better than pally rn and next phase they will be ridiculous. I regret being ally lmao. Im a rogue main and fighting shamans is actually bullshit sometimes. Rets are easy if you know the matchup. They have a decent burst and bubble but that is it.
Well all servers are locked on alliance so there's your answer
Rogue kills all if they get the sneak attack on you in world PVP.
While doing quests and having low damage. Just stupid class
What server r u on?
Crusader strike na
@@Savixirlgoing to gank you pally god ☠️
Whats the point if they are all up the top, should be split more evenly down the tiers, its relative.
So far I had 0 problems dueling and killing rogues as a ret. Ret goes stronk now
You haven't played a good rogue yet
pala cant even play vs rogue you on high copium dude
@@RunAwaylilGirl nah hes right, im a noob and i killed every single rogue that opened on me with ease, paladins hardcounters rogue now
@@eskaban_edits_beats_and_morehaha, come to ratchet pls) try interloper(pvp traner)
I just sap 1 palla, killed other than finish fist one
Why deuid S????
Im obviously a crap hunter as i struggle with druids all the time, they sleep my pet then spam instant casts from out of my range 😂
Warlock for premade is around B-C because of priests heals, 1v1 of course its strong but how often you have the situation you do a 1v1
All the time if you only do world PvP like I do on meta lock.
@@icebox1954 Meta lock in PvP is just not good, of course aggainst melee it is great because of the armour, but you loose your most important ability fear and in any 2v2 3v3 or more scenario meta lock is very bad.
@@sebastiankoloko1000 But we were talking about 1v1 and you don't lose fear. You can exit and fear which you kind of need to do against casters.
@@icebox1954My bad, thougt this was more of a general tier list, speaking about duels you are right of course. Warlock is S tier in my opinion too. Meta aggainst melees only of course.
how often you have the situation you do a 1v1?
every duel. this is what this entire video is about.
Next patch is season of warrior assuming it’s going to 40+. Gonna have a million warriors with Berserkers axes all over the place.
You can not Tierlist these classes off of some of the best PVP players in the world. To get an honest tier list you have to go off the average pvp player.
Wrong!! Utterly wrong!! When deciding if a class is good or not you factor in it's capabilities, not the average player capabilities.
I gave beat every class in my warrior I haven't taken much credit for it since I realised these people were so completely dogshit at the game.
For them to then complain about their class and get a buff since the average player cant perform with their class is WILD.
4:46 actually chat said hunter pet not hunter is double s)
Rank 14 is not a pvp flex lol. why do ppl think that
Warrior 25lv C, 30lv B, 40lv A, 60Lv SSS
Mages are B-tier. Druids -S-tier.
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Hunter Pets
Druids
Priest
A-tier
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Mage
Warlock
Rogue
Shaman
B-tier
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Is it a dueling tier list? Or just a tier list, im confused
Affliction Lock I would deff say is A/S tier , maybe it's just cause I have always played Lock and my Lock is also pretty much bis but in a 1v1 I feel like I can beat 98% peeps , if you are running thru locks then that lock sucks. A gd priest though is tough
aff lock is definitely at least A tier. I find it crazy all the locks complaining about lock and they are dueling casters in meta form which is giving them all no benefit against casters. They should just be running haunt and not losing out on fear due to being in meta. The only advantage meta gives against a caster is instant cast searing pain. Meta is obviously very good against melee but the build has to change depending on what you are dueling.
Priest cleanses both haunt, corruption and drain life. Making warlock countered by one of the most common classes. Also in any multi person encounter there will br a priedt dispelling drain life, haunt and eve fear probably @@kylesmith987
@@kylesmith987 Bingo. Meta is trash. Well it's more a meme since it's damage is lackluster and loses CC. A true Aff lock kills melee and has 100% HP so why even bother with Meta and you are better vs All. I also run demonic grace for the 30% dodge/crit. Rogues missing their gouge is great. I have 118 SP too so my dots kinda melt and drain life really cranks. It's somewhat oppressive then if i get out 1 immolate or a nightfall proc for insta Sbolt into Haunt. It's just gg.
So I’m wasting time running fire lock? I’m new to Wow and obviously warlocks and get rolled most of the time, especially by rogues. I got a little better after not applying Dots off the rip and going for incinerate + chaos bolt then dots + immolate bc before I’d just die before getting to do any other spell besides my dots. Tips plz I’m bad
@@MrFuzziiWuzzii Fire lock is BiS PvE spec for lock but in the current level 25 meta its hard to utilize in PvP. This is mostly due to spell push back and not having enough tools to enable you to hard cast long spells like incinerate and chaos bolt. We are lacking tools like Succubus charm and death coil to setup burst windows where we can cast. Voidwalker sac and fear are the only tools we have currently to enable locks to hard cast long spells.
For PvP Aff with haunt and master channeler is BiS and the leg slot is a bit variable depending on the match up and content you are doing.
Horde Priests are S tier. Alliance Priests are B tier. Which is what ends up making Shamans A tier.
Hunter cannot beat a priest and a druid in a duel because priests are straight up dont die and druids hibernate the pet
You obviously didn't pay attention to the video. Hunters have longer range and can just pick druids off and you will never get in range
@@bradleybarker4833 Druid is the only class aside from hunters who are able to reach 42 yards with an attack. Also, instant heals to sustain on the move while suffering no pushback, auto root for melee and pet, cure poison, more mobility to reach the hunter. It's not as one-sided for either if both players are bis. But, assuming you can just pick off a druid, and they would never get in range is the most absurd claim I've heard so far.
Imo , as warlock tank player at SOD,hunter,boomy,and warrior dps , probably gonna put warlock at S tier (tank)(undead) not caster one , since u really cannot kite warlock tank with sacrifice pet especialy, i literally beat every single job at Horde side (never do 1 v 1 pvp with paladin before since no friend at ally side ) , i have geared tank lock pvp gear ( not all bis , like missing 2-3 gear Bis ) hunter / mages cant even kite me ( probably not yet meet hunter/mages good player ), but agains rogue,priest,druid , its all easy , since the class literally had aton of HP,armor,mana+lifetap+sac pet+undead speciality (cannot stun,fear)
Moonfirebeam literally 1v3 hunters with star surge and hibernating deadzoning pets with roots.
Hunter vs good geared warlock, warlock wins at least in wsg when kiting to the extent needed isn't often an option.
Haunt is the play in pvp.
As a Ret Pally who use to 1v1 a lot. S tier. 1v1? S!!! I have beaten em all. Hunter's where always the biggest babies.
Yeah but outside a duels, no chance you beat a hunter or druid. They'll kill you out in range.
Now do the list again with no consumables, no bombs, no food, no engineering.
Hunters and priests are the most wanted classes for premades so there's your answer. Also what's the point of creating a tierlist when you put every class in S and A tier.
Warlock and druid is A, hunter and priest S, and tbh priest should have a category ontop of everyone at least right now. They are hands down the best class at 25. Rogues can surprise them if they play backstab and crit a bunch, but everything else is a lopsided fight for a good priest, hunter will be tough if the pet resists fear, other than that, priest owns everyone.
Arcane mage with living bomb living flame and regenerate can kill any lock
Warrior is not a solo class, but would be fun if it was.
Warlock is the only class I sometimes cant kill as a rogue, I say they are S lmao. Its funny I havent met a single hunter that even came close to killing me 1v1
warlock with void walker bubble, rogues are easy.
so, warri is still the best
Move all of A to B. Move druid and lock to A.
Warlocks are S tier all these ppl that Say warlock isn't S tier Is bcs they suck with it
Well, on rouge i beat almost every class in the game, even hunter, but cant beat hunters pet, broken disgusting pets, i hate this
Destro is great if the fights arent going for too long. Same as marks.
its good if you are in situations that allow you to stand still and cast. next phase they will be pretty crazy with seduce.
Bro doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings
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Your chat knows more about the game then you do. they are right about that list you can't just pan it ouit to suit yourself or make the table look good doesn't look like that
Warlocks are not S you just need to learn how to fight them
Should be titled pvp tierlist maybe?
druid in s tier that's all i need to know SavixJuicetime
as backstab rogue i beat locks ez. with or without meta
have a lv 19 balance druid and is stupid op on bgs, thing may change on lv 25 but on lv 19 is so fucking easy.
8 hunter 2 priest is wsg's dream team
That CK3 soundtrack LMAO
Hunter priest warrior should be nerfed to the ground if they wanna see a phase 2 with real players instead of bots.
A good Druid will beat a hunter every time 1v1. If they are boomy if they hibernate your pet. Into surge and entangling root and dead zone then the hunter gets smoked. Ferals don’t stand as much of a chance but boomys will beat hunters 9/10 times. As soon as you hibernate the pet and sit in the dead zone you’re screwed as a hunter
If hunter opens on boomy, its over. im not bis geared boomy but i when i get hibernate through (after million pushbacks and if it dont get resisted) im so low its over
@@Mika-ro2yk hate to break it to you but you are probably miss playing and just aren’t using the potential the Druid has.
LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO shaman fucking ö tier, oh yeah on wednesday at 9 o clock when i crit all my elemental spells on right order i might do 60% of 20 level warriorrs max hp with full bis
Any Lock that plays Meta vs another caster has zero braincells. Meta form gives armor not resists you just give up being able to fear for no reason
My Duelling Tier List
S Tier: Druid(Balance), Priest, Lock, Mage, Ret
A Tier: Hunter, Rogue, Shaman(ench)
B Tier: Druid(feral)
C Tier: warrior
Hunter main?
shaman main@@joshyman221
Priest over everything
Warlock with tank rune vs caster ... best guy ....
You forgot to put hunter pet as its own class in s tier.
ive beat a good non meta warlock using meta before. and that warlock dueling sucks. he didnt even sacrifice his pet for the bubble. he couldve won tha duel against the priest.
Cant the priest just dispel
Savix u need to duel shobek..
buff warrior
ret pally the only thing that beats my warlock and druid haha
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lmao i love savix but this tier list makes no sense, everything in S and A is obviously not correct
Not playing sod but cool to see everyone trying to minmax lvl 25 Meta
Hunter pet beats every1 that is meta, have 0 problems on undead rogue with priests, easy like a mage and warrior
meta lock pvp is overrated. not being able to fear is huge. no nightfall procs is huge. as a non meta lock there is nothing i find more satisfying than killing a meta lock. sure you are tanky, but a normal lock is tanky too with the right gear. i just dont see any reason to go meta in open world pvp.
I knew this was total BS as soon as I saw druids at A instead of S tier. You don't know what your talking about, warlocks are only op against trash players. I smoke them on my mage all day. Warriors D tier? The only thing you have right is hunter being OP. How can you say that druids are not A tier? 4 mana for a insta 400 dam spell? you can't make these if you don't even know
You are talking from a mage perspective lol.
imagine thinking warriors are b tier
even now
if mage is a warriod is f
Shaman is c-tier at best. Tank shaman does no damage, and on its own is less tanky in pvp than every other tank (bar warrior if you just run and heal).
As to ele, lavs burst crit does the same damage as starsurge non-crit. But you have to get into 20-yard range to flame shock, then hard cast with to pushback reduction and hope that flame shock isn't dispelled by the time you hit. Also, it has a longer CD and costs more mana. All of that, just to do the same as a starsurge non-crit... ele is trash lol
Enhance shaman dps is the lowest damage melee dps in pvp by a lot. Also, it has no cc except slows and no mobility bar ghostwolf which still has a cast time even if you talent it.
Resto shaman is the weakest healer by a mile. I don't even think that needs to be explained when you look at priest, hpal and resto druid toolkit by comparison lol.
Also, you have to run sham range in pvp for all shaman specs or you will go oom in under 1 minute guaranteed (except tank fc where you need the extra hp from way of earth, and just have to suffer going oom more often).
PVE wise, shaman tanks are tied at 2nd, and the more gear other tanks get the less relevant shaman tank becomes as threat generation is no longer as issue (literally their main reason to be in a raid).
Ele is the weakest caster dps in the game. Enhance is the weakest melee dps in the game. Resto is the weakest healer in the game. PVE those specs sucks compared to everything else on offer right now.
Shamans are sort of ok at a few niche things, but crap at everything else. C-tier at best.
this is a 1v1 tier list, and shamans are great at 1v1 xD You are tripping bro
@@ryanvermeulen22 if you think shaman is good right now at 25, you're clearly bad. Just wait till 40 though ;)
Shman kills warlock
savix talking about 60 warrior at 25. ............... .. . . .. . . ........ . . . cringe
Cut the bullshit chat, warlock is S everyday...
That warlock sucked fear drain life drain mana easy win
warlocks are B
Even Ziqo said mage is c-d tier. Mages are only good if their opponent has lower elo there for i dont even see them in A tier, they are B tier at best. I think people seeing full bfd geared high elo mages wipe low elo players without bfd gear gave them the false impression of them beeing A tier
Warrior is hunters hardest match up
Are u kidding me?) Warrior loose every class 1v1
Nah Shadowpriest
Warrior is only hard in the sense that the hunter has to fight the involuntary reflex to pee his pants out of uncontrollable laughter. Warrior can't even beat the pet. Warrior is garbage in SoD PvP so far.
@@weavershelter4700footloose?
Agreed. You 1v1 them easy. They are in melee the entire fight and the pet is feared but even with the pet up it’s fine.
Hunter are S tier overall. 1click brainless but still owns you like a mofo.
taking crix advice on pvp warlock is like mistaking dog poop for peanut butter.
I know everything there is to know about Warlocks. You're acting like PvP Lock is hard to do. It's brain dead, like this entire game is.
shaman A