I've listened to this Sym No.9 when I was 20. After all these years, finally I've understood: I'm looking for something. Now I know that I was looking for God which can't be seen by eyes.
Bruckner's Symphonies are like Dante's "Divine Comedy" - I think if you've come to understand one of the two, you'll have a great time with the other one.
It took quite a long time for me to open my ears to Bruckner's symphonies. His music began to penetrate into me to the bone. What a blessing for human race to possess great composers of limitless creativity. Thank God for sending us Bruckner as well as Beethoven and Brahms. 3Bs! Sergiu Celibidache overwhelmingly dominates the orchestra creating unrivalled interpretation of Bruckner. Magnificent!
I believe there are certain things, such as this ethereal almost unexplainable music, people that we have truly loved, that indeed penetrate us to the bone. It is not because we allow it, but because we are unable to prevent this violation of our very selves, they penetrate us to depths of even which we are unaware. Beyond that, they remain, they become, quite happily, part of ourselves and they accompany us in our daily comings and goings, and, sometimes, ecstatically, we become aware, and they are us, and we are gladdened and made just a little more whole.
@@jakeforrest _'Bruckner’s 9th symphony more than any other music, reminds me of Nazi Germany. I am almost there, when listening to it ! '_ you mean that 9th conducted by furtwaengler in 1944?
I am a fan of Celibidache for Brukner, but I love renditions of this symphony by HVK and Bernstein and others but nobody is better than Sergiu Celibidache. RIP
55 years of Bruckner after discovering his music. Not that I don't love other composers, Beethoven, Mozart, Prokofiev, Mahler, Samuel Barber's Violin Concerto, and so many countless others....so many. But of his symphonies I remain transfixed, in wonderment, it is as if I am witnessing something magical. How did Bruckner extract this music from the spheres? Maybe God created this music as He fashioned the Universe, accompanying all His work. Perhaps Bruckner borrowed it from his Creator? I'm transfixed, almost like an out-of-body experience....
Friend, i really liked your mention of the spheres. I'm truly curious to know more about the transcendental nature of music, could you message me, or at least recommend any good book in this sense?
Oscar Felipe I wish I were as literate as I perhaps should be. The ‘spheres’ I probably have heard long ago along the way, and it seems so appropriate. And I’m working now to attempt to define it, but it seems so much music of the universe than of this world. It exists, and fills your soul, so many emotions flow, but do you really understand it? Like the mystery of spinning orbs hurtling about in their course through time and space. All is mystery as science attempts in its many inroads to explain precious little. And Anton Bruckner, a shy and perhaps unimpressive in appearance man, and reworking over and over his symphonies, to make them more perfect. Anything but a heroic figure, but creating majesty worthy of the greatest hero. Could it be God anointed this deeply religious man to bring His message to the world? I don’t know, but listening is an experience of the highest level. Who can even define the experience? My greatest sadness is that much of the world will never know it, or if they hear it decide they don’t like it? I feel as though our world achieved its highest state at least a century ago, and begun a decline into a seeming abyss where art at one time highest aim was an appreciation and worship of our Creator, but whom do we worship now? Bach is magnificent, transfixing, and, of course, ‘Soli Deo Gloria’ !!! Right now I am dwelling on the later Beethoven quartets, and talk about ‘transfixing’, and maybe dwelling in places where man has not gone before. As humans we are so corrupt, why don’t we give up the arrogance and admit our fallen nature, adopt a humility and realize we know so little, but that God has given us so much, and find our meaning in the beauty that is all around us, and maybe in Bruckner, and begin to shed so much that is meaningless, and ugly.
Non.vi è interpretazione più sublime di questa meravigliosa sinfonia. Un'ampiezza sinfonica, una cura del dettaglio, un colore orchestrale, un equilibrio nei piani sonori irraggiungibile. Straordinaria
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What has been written about Chelibidache's interpretation of the 9th symphony of Bruckner could fill up a library. I would simply say that this symphony is quite solemn, and that the tempi seem me coorect, as well as the care with which Chelibidache takes into account the slightest details of thz score and in the same time building solid plans which underline the architecture of the music.
Every time I listen to a Celibidache recording, I have this feeling/thought that...yes, this is the way it is...the way it has to be. I am very curious as to his regard for the Beethoven Missa Solemnis. There doesnt appear to be a recording or live performance.' It must have not interested him. If so, I would like to know why. The Missa is the most astounding composition I have ever heard. His B Minor is a beautiful experience.
It is often the conductor's own gestures who asks for the pause between the last note and the applause. Nevertheless, yes, it is a bit jarring and the slow ramp up to applause might indicate that the music was too sophisticated for the average listener.
@@zoeylockwood I am sure Celibidache froze for a minute there, commanding silence. But it feels natural: it took a moment for those staggering mountains of sound to subside, for people to escape the musical spell and land back in their seats.
@@zoeylockwood Of course, the cult following of Bruckner enthusiasts Celibidache had in Munich wouldn't have known to appreciate the music. *Rolls eyes*
La sinfonía más insondable, arcana y misteriosa de todo el ciclo de las sinfonías de Bruckner con uno de los mejores intérpretes brucknerianos de fin de siglo. Esta sinfonía fue estrenada el 11 de febrero de 1903 con ciertas modificaciones en dinámica y acordes por parte de Ferdinand Löwe para que fuera más aceptada por el público. Pero el director austriaco Siegmund von Hausegger la estrenó con la filarmónica de Munich en su versión original el 2 de abril de 1932.
나의 휴일이나 휴식시간은 Bruckner의 음악으로 채워집니다. 교향곡 00부터 9번까지, 그리고 Te Deum으로,...... 특히 Celibidache가 지휘한 곡을 가장 좋아하지요. 언제나 누군가의 표현대로 "음악의 신이 연주하는 신의 음악"을 듣는 끝없는 감동입니다.
His wonderful account with Stuttgart from 1974 (also Nowak edition) took 58 minutes.This one 1 hour 19 minutes. His approach completeley changed over two decades
31:50 - 33:20 Fate comes knocking on your door to get you. 34:20 - 35:05 - a dance with the grim reaper himself 49:30 - Trumpets accompany your last journey of your ascent to heaven, taken over by heavenly strings and horn throughout the adagio. One can only wonder what the 4th movement could have brought. A work of absolute breathtaking scope and depth. Hail Bruckner.
Großartige live Aufführung dieses Schwanengesangs von Bruckner mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt synchronisierten Töne aller Instrumente. Der erfahrene Maestro dirigiert das ausgezeichnete Orchester im relativ langsamen Tempo mit perfekt kontrollierter Dynamik. Solch eine tiefempfundene Aufführung könnte nie im 21. Jahrhundert wiederholt werden!
I just wish to God we could have heard Celibidache interpret the Finale, without which this symphony is truly incomplete (for me, at least). At the very least, the main chorale theme of the Finale.
We all know that the devoutly Catholic Bruckner dedicated this symphony to God, and damn if I'm not getting a sense of what eternity is like listening to the first movement! All kidding aside, I love Celi, but these EMI recordings! Who doesn't love the coda of the Eighth, but it's got to end SOMETIME! P.S.: OK, I apologize, deeply, in advance to anyone whose taste differs from mine, but the Scherzo is just...risible, is the only adequate word that comes to mind. If Bruckner had wanted "The Dance of the Sugarplum Brontosauruses," I'm sure he would have said so SOMEWHERE.
That's a funny comment. The brutishness of the scherzo is a kind of madness you won't find elsewhere, soothed by the eerie medicine of the adagio. It makes sense because it's both solemn and strange. Also think of the scherzo from the Beethoven 9th - which sounds like timpanic giants tripping over themselves.
Can someone clarify something for me: Celibidache was famously opposed to recordings. What is the source, then, for the trove of recordings that exist of his performances, and have been released commercially? And all of them with outstanding live recording technology (in other words, not some fan in the audience with a tape recorder)? Did he sanction these recordings? Are they merely archival recordings that the Munich Philharmonic made, and which were released after Celibidache's death? And if so, wouldn't that be an act of disrespect towards him? Was he even aware that these performances were being recorded--with obviously excellent recording equipment? If someone has information about this, I'd love to know.
Thanks, but what I’m looking for is specific information about this matter. Celibidache repeatedly and strenuously spoke of his opposition to recordings, and yet there is an entire library of recordings of his performances, done professionally with excellent recording quality. There is a contradiction going on here, and I’m looking for a specific explanation of this contradiction.
@@nicholasfox966 Celi agreed to have his MPO concerts recorded for posthumous release. All his recordings come from live performances, rather than from the recording studio.
@@nicholasfox966 No contradiction at all. Celi's contract with the MPO allowed the concerts to be recorded professionally for posthumous release. He did not want people to listen to his recordings while he was alive.
Thanks, and may I ask how you know specifically that he approved recordings to be released posthumously? Is this documented somewhere? There is indeed a contradiction, if we are going by every documented thing that he said about recordings. He was on record-- repeatedly, strenuously, and very specifically--that the experience of a listening to a piece of music in one's home on speakers is a distortion and a misrepresentation and a falsification of the experience of a hearing a piece of music live. He had both musical and philosophical reasons for this. Not once did he ever articulate the caveat that recordings would be okay once he was dead--in that case, everything he said about his abhorrence for recordings is thrown out--suddenly when he's dead, recordings are good? Which is why I'd love to know specifically how you know that he okayed these things.
These performances were broadcasted live by Bayrischer Rundfunk ("BR", a public-service radio and tv broadcaster), that was part of Celibidache's contract. BR (which BTW has its own elite orchesta) records its classical concert broadcasts since as early as 1979 digitally. Celibidache's family agreed to have these recordings published after his death.
Bruckner with Celibidache is something unique. Celibidache was a genius. Furtwangler in his greatness was and is nothing compared with Celibidache. Furtwangler is just a name but genius can only be attributed to Celibidache.
Well its good for celibidache that Bruckner didn't finish his 4th movement. In celibidache world, that would stretch Bruckners ninth to Das Rhinegold proportions.
I'm sorry, but the pace here is a bit much for me. It does sometimes bring out subtleties, but it drags way too much, especially in the scherzo movement. Even Furtwängler comes in under an hour for this.
Great Symphony. But Celebidache's tempo is too slow. The music loses its impact. I much prefer Skrowaczewski's intrepetation with the Minnesota Orchestra on Reference Recordings.
Patrizio-There are some similarities between Bruckner's 8th and Verdi's Otello both completed in 1887. I would call it the Wagner influence. But these two works may well be the finest completed operas and symphonies ever composed. I say completed because the 9th with a final movement 80% completed by a very ill and in fact on his death bed Bruckner would of been the greatest of all. The final movement which I saw the premier in Berlin in 2012 is a fine construction by four talented Bruckner devotees . BUT they don't have the genius of Bruckner. And because of his infirmity except for the chorale the music composed by Bruckner is not of his highest level.
Speed x 1.25, probably more acceptable. Scherzo is marked "Schnell" , quickly. Where Celibidache is good at is the overall structure of the piece. I have to dismiss this as unlistenable. Sorry..
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I'm listening to this on September 4.th, 2024, Bruckner's 200.th "birthday". Alles Gute zum Seiner 200.ts Geburtstag, Maestro!
Bruckner + Celibidache= capolavoro Assoluto
Music with prophetic properties. Visions.
If you understand Anton Bruckner's Ninth Symphony it means that you have come a long way in your existence.
you said well Umberto
I understand it well- it’s all about god being there or not….the struggle to be a human
I've listened to this Sym No.9 when I was 20.
After all these years, finally I've understood:
I'm looking for something. Now I know that I was looking for God which can't be seen by eyes.
Bruckner's Symphonies are like Dante's "Divine Comedy" - I think if you've come to understand one of the two, you'll have a great time with the other one.
what an incredible ensemble! the best ever!
Such a towering conductor with such deepest insight.
This performance of
the last symphony of Bruckner is out of this world.
It's like my soul is being sucked away
It took quite a long time for me to open my ears to Bruckner's symphonies. His music began to penetrate into me to the bone. What a blessing for human race to possess great composers of limitless creativity. Thank God for sending us Bruckner as well as Beethoven and Brahms. 3Bs! Sergiu Celibidache overwhelmingly dominates the orchestra creating unrivalled interpretation of Bruckner. Magnificent!
I believe there are certain things, such as this ethereal almost unexplainable music, people that we have truly loved, that indeed penetrate us to the bone. It is not because we allow it, but because we are unable to prevent this violation of our very selves, they penetrate us to depths of even which we are unaware. Beyond that, they remain, they become, quite happily, part of ourselves and they accompany us in our daily comings and goings, and, sometimes, ecstatically, we become aware, and they are us, and we are gladdened and made just a little more whole.
Dont forget about Mahler!
Bruckner’s 9th symphony more than any other music, reminds me of Nazi Germany. I am almost there, when listening to it !
@Nico Kannon what the heck is this? bots?
@@jakeforrest _'Bruckner’s 9th symphony more than any other music, reminds me of Nazi Germany. I am almost there, when listening to it ! '_
you mean that 9th conducted by furtwaengler in 1944?
THE Bruckner conductor!!
I am a fan of Celibidache for Brukner, but I love renditions of this symphony by HVK and Bernstein and others but nobody is better than Sergiu Celibidache. RIP
55 years of Bruckner after discovering his music. Not that I don't love other composers, Beethoven, Mozart, Prokofiev, Mahler, Samuel Barber's Violin Concerto, and so many countless others....so many. But of his symphonies I remain transfixed, in wonderment, it is as if I am witnessing something magical. How did Bruckner extract this music from the spheres? Maybe God created this music as He fashioned the Universe, accompanying all His work. Perhaps Bruckner borrowed it from his Creator? I'm transfixed, almost like an out-of-body experience....
Friend, i really liked your mention of the spheres. I'm truly curious to know more about the transcendental nature of music, could you message me, or at least recommend any good book in this sense?
Oscar Felipe I wish I were as literate as I perhaps should be. The ‘spheres’ I probably have heard long ago along the way, and it seems so appropriate. And I’m working now to attempt to define it, but it seems so much music of the universe than of this world. It exists, and fills your soul, so many emotions flow, but do you really understand it? Like the mystery of spinning orbs hurtling about in their course through time and space. All is mystery as science attempts in its many inroads to explain precious little. And Anton Bruckner, a shy and perhaps unimpressive in appearance man, and reworking over and over his symphonies, to make them more perfect. Anything but a heroic figure, but creating majesty worthy of the greatest hero. Could it be God anointed this deeply religious man to bring His message to the world? I don’t know, but listening is an experience of the highest level. Who can even define the experience? My greatest sadness is that much of the world will never know it, or if they hear it decide they don’t like it? I feel as though our world achieved its highest state at least a century ago, and begun a decline into a seeming abyss where art at one time highest aim was an appreciation and worship of our Creator, but whom do we worship now? Bach is magnificent, transfixing, and, of course, ‘Soli Deo Gloria’ !!! Right now I am dwelling on the later Beethoven quartets, and talk about ‘transfixing’, and maybe dwelling in places where man has not gone before. As humans we are so corrupt, why don’t we give up the arrogance and admit our fallen nature, adopt a humility and realize we know so little, but that God has given us so much, and find our meaning in the beauty that is all around us, and maybe in Bruckner, and begin to shed so much that is meaningless, and ugly.
yes, Bruckner has reached the divine source...and what do.we do now...Celi.did it. music will always be.
@maumusa123 Yes, it is. ¿Why? ...
This is it for me. Anything else is superfluous. The cosmic depth of it
Without Bruckner's symphonies ,
our souls would have been wandering forever
At the very beginning, already when the audience is applauding, it feels that really everyone is already in the mood of what will be following!
Non.vi è interpretazione più sublime di questa meravigliosa sinfonia. Un'ampiezza sinfonica, una cura del dettaglio, un colore orchestrale, un equilibrio nei piani sonori irraggiungibile. Straordinaria
Definitiv, dass was ich hören möchte, wenn ich ablebe und die Seite wechsle. Soviel Licht und Liebe. Danke
Bruckner,s works are made by The God ,s dreams .
My soul is quivered by this performance
Greeting from a Japanese Brucknerian.
Would you say that Bruckner is popular among classical music fans in Japan?
@@GreenTeaViewer
Thank-you so much to your wonderful reply ！
Almost Japanese ordinary people don't know Bruckner and his works .
But I am a Japanese Brucknerian .
I deeply love Bruckner's Symphonies .
And I love Debussy , Dvorak ，Bach and etc.
Take care of yourself
Good luck ！
Bruno Walter once famously described the difference between Mahler and Bruckner "Mahler spent his life searching for God, and Bruckner found God"
@@MarcoPersoons
Thank-you so much to your fabulous , specutacular and unfathomable comments
You are Great , beyond description
Good luck ！
Someday please come to Japan
Japanese delicious foods , immeasurable heartfelt hospitality and unfathomable amazing and marvellous things wait for you
Japan waits for you who are sagacious and wise
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What has been written about Chelibidache's interpretation of the 9th symphony of Bruckner could fill up a library. I would simply say that this symphony is quite solemn, and that the tempi seem me coorect, as well as the care with which Chelibidache takes into account the slightest details of thz score and in the same time building solid plans which underline the architecture of the music.
Every time I listen to a Celibidache recording, I have this feeling/thought that...yes, this is the way it is...the way it has to be.
I am very curious as to his regard for the Beethoven Missa Solemnis. There doesnt appear to be a recording or live performance.' It must have not interested him. If so, I would like to know why. The Missa is the most astounding composition I have ever heard.
His B Minor is a beautiful experience.
I 00:55
II 33:45
III 47:39
Grazie, padrino....di Messico!
Great!!! very very goooooooooooooooooooood!!! Thanks!
Thank you!
Magnificent.
Fabuleuse interprétation de cette 9ème Symphonie de Brückner ! Fantastique Celibidache...
Thanks.
GREAT performance. The delay between the end and the applause is shocking, I wonder if people were astonished or waited for a 4th movement. :)
It is often the conductor's own gestures who asks for the pause between the last note and the applause. Nevertheless, yes, it is a bit jarring and the slow ramp up to applause might indicate that the music was too sophisticated for the average listener.
@@zoeylockwood I am sure Celibidache froze for a minute there, commanding silence. But it feels natural: it took a moment for those staggering mountains of sound to subside, for people to escape the musical spell and land back in their seats.
They were waking up 😄
@@zoeylockwood Of course, the cult following of Bruckner enthusiasts Celibidache had in Munich wouldn't have known to appreciate the music. *Rolls eyes*
Respect for the performance
La moviola di Celibidache ci consente di sezionare i brani musicali pezzo pezzo. Una vera autopsia. Fantastico.
La sinfonía más insondable, arcana y misteriosa de todo el ciclo de las sinfonías de Bruckner con uno de los mejores intérpretes brucknerianos de fin de siglo. Esta sinfonía fue estrenada el 11 de febrero de 1903 con ciertas modificaciones en dinámica y acordes por parte de Ferdinand Löwe para que fuera más aceptada por el público. Pero el director austriaco Siegmund von Hausegger la estrenó con la filarmónica de Munich en su versión original el 2 de abril de 1932.
didn't Bruckner call it" to my beloved God"?. God works in mysterious ways. let's thank Him for Bruckner and Celibidache....
24:55 - 26:00 and on ... heavenly. Celibidache treats this pivotal transition with all the respect it deserves.
Wow, amazing performance! Thanks :)
I need at least 2500 pages of write up to analyse his interpretation of all Bruckner's symphonies.
나의 휴일이나 휴식시간은 Bruckner의 음악으로 채워집니다.
교향곡 00부터 9번까지, 그리고 Te Deum으로,......
특히 Celibidache가 지휘한 곡을 가장 좋아하지요.
언제나 누군가의 표현대로 "음악의 신이 연주하는 신의 음악"을 듣는 끝없는 감동입니다.
I just want to hear💖🎶💙💝🎶🍀🎼🎼🎼🎶🎁♥️♥️♥️🎯🎀👏👏👏
funny how he was against recording music (valid) and yet we in today's error would be denied entering the world of Celibidache genius
I think about this a lot
His wonderful account with Stuttgart from 1974 (also Nowak edition) took 58 minutes.This one 1 hour 19 minutes. His approach completeley changed over two decades
Thanks fore so many of your posts here. You have Blessed Me Very Much
of course only Celibidache!!!!!!
It resembles Furtwanglers interpretation. Which also keeps me chained to the music. Letting every detail speak. No words to describe it.
Das ist es
La 8 et la 9 de Bruckner avec Sergiu à la baguette, c’est magnifique. Et Sergiu a été formé par le grand Furtwangler . Bonne écoute !
not quite by Furtwangler...maybe Heinz Tiessen and others. but yeah, it is true Celi assisted to Furtwangler rehearsals etc
31:50 - 33:20 Fate comes knocking on your door to get you.
34:20 - 35:05 - a dance with the grim reaper himself
49:30 - Trumpets accompany your last journey of your ascent to heaven, taken over by heavenly strings and horn throughout the adagio.
One can only wonder what the 4th movement could have brought.
A work of absolute breathtaking scope and depth. Hail Bruckner.
Großartige live Aufführung dieses Schwanengesangs von Bruckner mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt synchronisierten Töne aller Instrumente. Der erfahrene Maestro dirigiert das ausgezeichnete Orchester im relativ langsamen Tempo mit perfekt kontrollierter Dynamik. Solch eine tiefempfundene Aufführung könnte nie im 21. Jahrhundert wiederholt werden!
kommt nicht alles Gute irgendwann wieder, vor allem guter Geschmack?! ;-)
Guter Geschmack ist das richtige Wort!
I always prefer Celibidache
Bruckner 6th under Klemperer excepted
This is either the greatest performance ever or the most perverse. Hard to know which....
First lesson in graphic design: NEVER make the name of the conductor bigger than that of the composer
The idea is to get the people the attention on Celibidache not in Bruckner for marketing reasons.
This began with Karajan...
31:20-33:20 often sounds like a complete mess in most interpretations. But Celibidache brings all the epic details out!
Hearing Celibidache conducting this No.9, it is very distinct what is the God's part, and what is the human (i.e. Bruckner's) part.
I just wish to God we could have heard Celibidache interpret the Finale, without which this symphony is truly incomplete (for me, at least). At the very least, the main chorale theme of the Finale.
You can enjoy the complete version of this symphony by the.BPO and conducted by Rattle.
Do you mean that this version is Incomplete? Whatever happened?
@@bolanddewsnap5698 -- Oh my....What a tale! Teutonic Turandot Completion....Many thanks for your erudite answer, and with Greetings from Mexico!
The SPCM completion is certainly stylistically unsatisfactory. I would have liked to hear Celibidache perform Letocart's completion.
Fascinating.
If the God of Bach is the God of Earth, the God of Bruckner is a galactic God
オイゲンヨッフムのブルックナーも良かったがこのチェリビダッケのブルックナーもすばらしい。
Og TILLYKKE 🌹 AMADEUS 🌹 med fødselsdagen 🕊️💜🕊️☮️✝️♾️🌀♾️☯️☮️💜💜🕊️💪💪💪💪✊✊✊✊🫶🫶🫶🫶💪💪💪💪 AMEN
1:07:40
27:16
Unerreichbar!!
30:35
We all know that the devoutly Catholic Bruckner dedicated this symphony to God, and damn if I'm not getting a sense of what eternity is like listening to the first movement! All kidding aside, I love Celi, but these EMI recordings! Who doesn't love the coda of the Eighth, but it's got to end SOMETIME! P.S.: OK, I apologize, deeply, in advance to anyone whose taste differs from mine, but the Scherzo is just...risible, is the only adequate word that comes to mind. If Bruckner had wanted "The Dance of the Sugarplum Brontosauruses," I'm sure he would have said so SOMEWHERE.
That's a funny comment. The brutishness of the scherzo is a kind of madness you won't find elsewhere, soothed by the eerie medicine of the adagio. It makes sense because it's both solemn and strange. Also think of the scherzo from the Beethoven 9th - which sounds like timpanic giants tripping over themselves.
The last music
Can someone clarify something for me: Celibidache was famously opposed to recordings. What is the source, then, for the trove of recordings that exist of his performances, and have been released commercially? And all of them with outstanding live recording technology (in other words, not some fan in the audience with a tape recorder)? Did he sanction these recordings? Are they merely archival recordings that the Munich Philharmonic made, and which were released after Celibidache's death? And if so, wouldn't that be an act of disrespect towards him? Was he even aware that these performances were being recorded--with obviously excellent recording equipment? If someone has information about this, I'd love to know.
Thanks, but what I’m looking for is specific information about this matter. Celibidache repeatedly and strenuously spoke of his opposition to recordings, and yet there is an entire library of recordings of his performances, done professionally with excellent recording quality. There is a contradiction going on here, and I’m looking for a specific explanation of this contradiction.
@@nicholasfox966 Celi agreed to have his MPO concerts recorded for posthumous release.
All his recordings come from live performances, rather than from the recording studio.
@@nicholasfox966 No contradiction at all. Celi's contract with the MPO
allowed the concerts to be recorded professionally for posthumous
release. He did not want people to listen to his recordings while he
was alive.
Thanks, and may I ask how you know specifically that he approved recordings to be released posthumously? Is this documented somewhere?
There is indeed a contradiction, if we are going by every documented thing that he said about recordings. He was on record-- repeatedly, strenuously, and very specifically--that the experience of a listening to a piece of music in one's home on speakers is a distortion and a misrepresentation and a falsification of the experience of a hearing a piece of music live. He had both musical and philosophical reasons for this. Not once did he ever articulate the caveat that recordings would be okay once he was dead--in that case, everything he said about his abhorrence for recordings is thrown out--suddenly when he's dead, recordings are good? Which is why I'd love to know specifically how you know that he okayed these things.
These performances were broadcasted live by Bayrischer Rundfunk ("BR", a public-service radio and tv broadcaster), that was part of Celibidache's contract. BR (which BTW has its own elite orchesta) records its classical concert broadcasts since as early as 1979 digitally. Celibidache's family agreed to have these recordings published after his death.
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Bruckner with Celibidache is something unique. Celibidache was a genius. Furtwangler in his greatness was and is nothing compared with Celibidache. Furtwangler is just a name but genius can only be attributed to Celibidache.
A great music needs a great conductor.
Well its good for celibidache that Bruckner didn't finish his 4th movement. In celibidache world, that would stretch Bruckners ninth to Das Rhinegold proportions.
If he had, I would not have complained.
aj, de kár, túl lassú 34.-től az a fontos rész!
Bruckner jest dla samotnych osób, takich + 40
Bruckner 9? No celibidache? Stupid Louisiana, with bored, tired alligators. Celibidache, Gould, Richter and Davis, my favorite ones
I'm sorry, but the pace here is a bit much for me. It does sometimes bring out subtleties, but it drags way too much, especially in the scherzo movement. Even Furtwängler comes in under an hour for this.
I don't get the Celebidache tempo. I feel he is cuting the score in small parts with single notes in each of them. It's a strange feeling.
Great Symphony. But Celebidache's tempo is too slow. The music loses its impact. I much prefer Skrowaczewski's intrepetation with the Minnesota Orchestra on Reference Recordings.
Try Carlo Maria Giulini and the VPO on DG... considered to be the benchmark "9th".
It is a strange feeling for people who either do not know, or have forgotten, what it means to *TAKE THE TIME* to get things *WELL* done!
you don't understand anything about music when you don't like these version.
Viva Verdi!
pffff
Patrizio-There are some similarities between Bruckner's 8th and Verdi's Otello both completed in 1887. I would call it the Wagner influence. But these two works may well be
the finest completed operas and symphonies ever composed. I say completed because the 9th with a final movement 80% completed by a very ill and in fact on his death bed Bruckner
would of been the greatest of all. The final movement which I saw the premier in Berlin in 2012
is a fine construction by four talented Bruckner devotees . BUT they don't have the genius of
Bruckner. And because of his infirmity except for the chorale the music composed by Bruckner is not of his highest level.
Speed x 1.25, probably more acceptable. Scherzo is marked "Schnell" , quickly. Where Celibidache is good at is the overall structure of the piece. I have to dismiss this as unlistenable. Sorry..
Don’t be “sorry,” just don’t listen!
What's the rush, do you have to be somewhere?
Dynamisch völlig unausgewogen. Sehr schlecht!!
Ja, da stimme ich die zu. Ganz fürchterlich! Sie haben sich halt bemüht aber eben nichts dabei rumgekommen. Es lebe Andi Borg!!!!